[Orgmode] pabbrev

2007-09-17 Thread Kevin Brubeck Unhammer

Hi all,

I just discovered pabbrev-mode  
(http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord/download/emacs/pabbrev.el),  
which seems really great, but in org-mode (5.09) the suggestions don't  
show up until i press TAB twice (meaning that if there are several  
suggestions, I have to press 0-9 to choose one each time). Does anyone  
know of a way to get it to work alright with org-mode? (I understand that  
the TAB key is "taken" for view-cycling when in headlines, but I can't see  
any good reason why the suggestions shouldn't automatically show up in  
org-mode...)



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Re: [Orgmode] [BUG?] Diary entries do not appear in timeline

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik


On Sep 16, 2007, at 3:00, Xavier Maillard wrote:


Hi,

With org-mode 5.08, pressing C-a L does not show my diary
entries.

My org mode file contains entries like that:

%%(diary-anniversary 09 6 2007) Lubin %d ans
...

I only see my meeting entries (but there are not diary entries
just standard item timestamped).

Is that a bug ?


H, including the diary entries would make this operation
very expensive, because every day would have to be checked, starting
from an unknown starting date in the past to an unknown ending date
in the future.  The timeline display is fast because if first makes
a list of dates in the buffer and then gets full displays only for
these.  This means that dates with repeaters and diary stuff
will not work, unless by chance - i.e. if the day is being listed
anyway because some other simple timestamp pointed to it.

It may be better to use restricted call to the daily/weekly
agenda for this, but force a starting date and a number
of days to check.

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Re: [Orgmode] indenting bug

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik

Fixed, thanks.

- Carsten

On Sep 15, 2007, at 20:37, Austin Frank wrote:


* test
  - an item
  - another
1) number 1
2) number 2
  - last one



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[Orgmode] org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Cezar

Hello,

  I would like to know if there are any PDA or Smartphone devices to use
  with org-mode, and be able to sync between them with ease.

Thanks,
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Re: [Orgmode] pabbrev

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik


On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:41, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:


Hi all,

I just discovered pabbrev-mode  
(http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord/download/emacs/ 
pabbrev.el), which seems really great, but in org-mode (5.09) the  
suggestions don't show up until i press TAB twice (meaning that if  
there are several suggestions, I have to press 0-9 to choose one each  
time). Does anyone know of a way to get it to work alright with  
org-mode? (I understand that the TAB key is "taken" for view-cycling  
when in headlines, but I can't see any good reason why the suggestions  
shouldn't automatically show up in org-mode...)


I am curious if you find this useful after a while, Phillip himself
says that it is more useful for programming than for writing text.
It works much better for repetitive text than for expressive text.

I *think* you need to add org-self-insert-command and (if you
use orgtbl-mode) orgtbl-selt-insert-command to the list in
pabbrev-expand-after-command-list.

- Carsten



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Re: [Orgmode] Moving an item to a precise place

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik


On Sep 16, 2007, at 14:40, Bastien wrote:


Xavier Maillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


So let's say I have this organization:

* Project 1
** TODO Ask foo about bar

* Project 2
** TODO Write customer report

* Project 3

How can I move the TODO from "Project 1" to "Project 3" directly
-i.e. move by "name"


What about this?

1. Put the cursor at the beginning of the TODO you want to move
2. C-c C-x C-w to cut the subtree (leave the point on "Project 2")
3. C-c C-f to go to the next heading (same level)
4. C-n to go to the next line
5. C-y to yank the subtree

You can also use org-goto (C-c C-j) to navigate through the structure
easily if you need to paste the cut subtree far in the file.


I know there is org-move-item-(down/up) and subtree but I did not see
anything to tell an item to move a precise place (where the precise
place will be prompted).


I think it's better to rely on usual kill/yank procedures when the 
moves

are not hierarchy-dependant.


A really stupid solution is also to promote the entry to
top level with M-left, then to move it down with M-down,
then to demote it again with M-right.  For short distances
this requires the lease amount of thinking.

- Carsten



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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Release: Org-mode 5.09

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik

Fixed, thanks.

- Carsten

On Sep 15, 2007, at 23:25, Rainer Stengele wrote:


Carsten Dominik schrieb:

Org-mode 5.09 is available at http://orgmode.org.
Enjoy!
- Carsten
Version 5.09

* Overview
  - Taking a note upon TODO state changes can be restricted to
selected states.
  - The format in which dates are shown in the daily/weekly
agenda can be configured.
  - The default for `org-remember-store-without-prompt' is now t.
  - `org-goto' has been made into a general lookup command.
  - Priority cycling goes back to the nil state.
  - You can store a remember note to the *last used* location.
  - On Emacs 23, the headline faces for org-mode are now
inherited from the outline faces.
* Incompatible Changes
  - The default for `org-remember-store-without-prompt' is now
t, in order to better match the original intent of
remember.el (storing a note with minimum interruption of
work flow).  I expect that many people will be hit by this
incompatible change - nevertheless I believe it is the right
thing to do.
* Details
  - You can now select specific states for recording a note when
switching to that state.  With the setting
 #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) ORDERED(o@) INVOICE(i@) PAYED(p) | 
RECEIVED(r)

 #+STARTUP: lognotestate
only the states ORDERED and INVOICE will record a timestamp
and a note.
  - You can now set the format of the string for each day in the
agenda and timeline buffers.  You can use a format string
interpreted by `format-time-string', or you can write your
own function.  Configure the new variable
`org-agenda-format-date'.  Thanks to Levin for triggering
this development with a patch.
  - The default for `org-remember-store-without-prompt' is now
t, in order to better match the original intent of
remember.el (storing a note with minimum interruption of
work flow).  Since we can assign files and headlines to
templates, I guess this takes care of selecting a filing
location in most cases.  For interactive filing, you now
need a prefix command when exiting `remember'.
  - `org-goto' (bound to `C-c C-j') now uses an indirect buffer
and has additional commands enabled: Org-occur with `C-c /'
or even faster with `/', and the commands needed to select
and copy a region.  This make `org-goto' a more general
lookup command instead of only a jumping command.  Remember
that you can exit with `Q' to go back to the original
location.  Thanks to William Henney for this idea.
  - Setting the priority with S-up/down now cycles back to a
state where no priority is specified.  This was requested by
Rick Moynihan.
  - You can store a remember note to the *last used* location.
So if you select a location interactively once, you can
re-use it without having to find it again.  For this, exit
the remember buffer with `C-u C-u C-c C-c'.  The leading
comment in the remember buffer will tell exactly where the
note goes if you exit with a particular command.
Thanks to Maxim Loginov for this idea.
  - On Emacs 23, the headline faces for org-mode are now
inherited from the outline faces.  This is just a
convenience, so that you only have to configure one set of
faces, and that will then be outline-1 .. outline-8.  You
will actually not see any difference in org-mode, because
Stefan Monnier has made the outline faces in Emacs 23 to
match the current org-mode faces.
This change does not effect XEmacs, nor Emacs 21 and 22.
  - Bug fixes.
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After "C-c C-j" trying to find items with a certain regex which should 
match a lot of entries finds nothing but shows:

"before first heading".
Some other searches do succeed.

Ah - now I see: Looks like the first match is in the top
:SETUP:
...
:END:
section. Which ends up with the problem
This is probably a bug?

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[Orgmode] Inform about unviewable changes

2007-09-17 Thread Daniel Clemente
  Hi,

   I have in a document a large section: a title (with a TODO tag) and
a lot of lines, so many that they don't fit in the screen.
   I'm at the end and I don't see the title. I want to cycle the
completion tag (from TODO to the next state). I press C-c C-t and it
works... but I don't see anything. I must go manually to check that
now the tag is the one I expected.

   Maybe org could show a message at the minibuffer describing the
change? For instance „Set tag DONE to section "** make dinner"". Or
„Changed from TODO to DONE in section "** make dinner"". Or simply
„Set tag DONE", or „Changed from TODO to DONE".
   Just like paren-mode when the matched parenthesis is too far away.

   5.09, Emacs21.

   Thanks,
Daniel


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Re: [Orgmode] org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Ian Barton



  I would like to know if there are any PDA or Smartphone devices to use
  with org-mode, and be able to sync between them with ease.

Since the files are plain text anything that is capable of syncing plain 
text files should work. Although you can edit/display the files on your 
pda, I think that hardly any pda's can run emacs, so you lose a lot of 
the functionality of being able to use org mode.


For simply referring to data in your files I find that exporting my org 
files to html, copying to my phone, then viewing them on my smartphone's 
browser works well.


Ian.


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Re: [Orgmode] org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Jason F. McBrayer
Cezar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   I would like to know if there are any PDA or Smartphone devices to
>   use with org-mode, and be able to sync between them with ease.

Not entirely serious:  has anyone ported emacs to the N800 or OpenMoko
yet? 

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Re: [Orgmode] org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Sven Bretfeld
Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:23:35PM +0300, Cezar wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I would like to know if there are any PDA or Smartphone devices to use
>   with org-mode, and be able to sync between them with ease.

This would be of major interest. Is it besser to wait for the official
release of the OpenMoko? I have heard that one can install a complete
Emacs on this.

Bye,

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[Orgmode] Re: org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Leo
On 2007-09-17 13:50 +0100, Sven Bretfeld wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:23:35PM +0300, Cezar wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>   I would like to know if there are any PDA or Smartphone devices to use
>>   with org-mode, and be able to sync between them with ease.
>
> This would be of major interest. Is it besser to wait for the official
> release of the OpenMoko? I have heard that one can install a complete
> Emacs on this.
>
> Bye,
>
> Sven

Can someone help me understand the advantage of running Emacs in pda?
Emacs is an keyboard driven application and pda sucks at keyboard
input. How would these two things match?

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[Orgmode] Re: org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Cezar
Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Can someone help me understand the advantage of running Emacs in pda?
> Emacs is an keyboard driven application and pda sucks at keyboard
> input. How would these two things match?

The new smartphones have a qwerty keyboard (see blackbery, and palm
treo). I don't know how fast you can be, but it's about bringing our
favorite working enviroment to our pocket since most of us have
everything inside emacs (mail, org, text editor, etc).

At least thats what I feel the need for, an emacs to go :P

Cheers,
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[Orgmode] Re: org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Leo
On 2007-09-17 15:12 +0100, Cezar wrote:
> The new smartphones have a qwerty keyboard (see blackbery, and palm
> treo). I don't know how fast you can be, but it's about bringing our
> favorite working enviroment to our pocket since most of us have
> everything inside emacs (mail, org, text editor, etc).

That sounds appealing. But how would you type C-x? Hold down right ctrl
and type 'x'. That is not the same as in normal pc. I wonder if this
will spoil your muscle memory.

Probably making ctrl sticky could be more intuitive.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Scott Jaderholm
On 9/17/07, Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can someone help me understand the advantage of running Emacs in pda?
> Emacs is an keyboard driven application and pda sucks at keyboard
> input. How would these two things match?


I don't think that most people would choose to run Emacs on a PDA (phone) if
they had a desktop/laptop available. The scenario where Emacs on a phone
seems attractive is when your only options are Emacs on your phone or
writing on your hand.

As someone who's used Emacs on a HTC Mogul though[1], I completely agree
with your point. Generally PDAs/phones don't make very good Emacs devices,
not so much because typing on their keyboards is slow, but because almost
all physical phone keyboards (excluding external keyboards) lack Control and
Meta keys. As you can imagine, Emacs without Control or Meta is not very
useful or fun.

Cheers,
Scott

Footnotes:
[1] I used SSH, which had the added benefit that I didn't have to worry
about syncing my org-mode files.
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[Orgmode] Re: pabbrev

2007-09-17 Thread Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
På Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:44:53 +0200, skrev Carsten Dominik  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:41, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:


Hi all,

I just discovered pabbrev-mode  
(http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord/download/emacs/pabbrev.el),  
which seems really great, but in org-mode (5.09) the suggestions don't  
show up until i press TAB twice (meaning that if there are several  
suggestions, I have to press 0-9 to choose one each time). Does anyone  
know of a way to get it to work alright with org-mode? (I understand  
that the TAB key is "taken" for view-cycling when in headlines, but I  
can't see any good reason why the suggestions shouldn't automatically  
show up in org-mode...)


I am curious if you find this useful after a while, Phillip himself
says that it is more useful for programming than for writing text.
It works much better for repetitive text than for expressive text.


Well, I use org-mode for taking notes while reading, and for psychology  
texts eg. it's really nice not having to write "suprachiasmatic" out every  
time (plus, in Norwegian, as in German, compound nouns get bunched  
together into one word).



I *think* you need to add org-self-insert-command and (if you
use orgtbl-mode) orgtbl-selt-insert-command to the list in
pabbrev-expand-after-command-list.


Thanks lots, this works great :-)

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Re: [Orgmode] Inform about unviewable changes

2007-09-17 Thread Bastien
"Daniel Clemente" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I press C-c C-t and it works... but I don't see anything. I must go
> manually to check that now the tag is the one I expected.

And... it is, no?

>Maybe org could show a message at the minibuffer describing the
> change? For instance „Set tag DONE to section "** make dinner"". Or
> „Changed from TODO to DONE in section "** make dinner"". Or simply
> „Set tag DONE", or „Changed from TODO to DONE".

I'm a bit skeptical about this. I find messages nearly mandatory when
they deal with *invisible* changes. But I'm not sure it is that common
to change a TODO keyword when the point is far away from the headline.

Maybe others could comment on this?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change

2007-09-17 Thread Carsten Dominik



On Sep 16, 2007, at 23:53, Bastien wrote:


Cezar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one,
sorry ! It's working great.


And I like this feature very much!

I stopped using the lognotestate option because it populated my buffer
with too many notes, certainly because I had too many states to go
through.



Another (maybe undocumented) new feature is that if you exit the
note buffer with C-u C-c C-c, the note will be canceled and not even a 
time stamp recorded.


- Carsten



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Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change

2007-09-17 Thread Xavier Maillard



   On Sep 16, 2007, at 23:53, Bastien wrote:

   > Cezar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   >
   >> Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one,
   >> sorry ! It's working great.
   >
   > And I like this feature very much!
   >
   > I stopped using the lognotestate option because it populated my buffer
   > with too many notes, certainly because I had too many states to go
   > through.


   Another (maybe undocumented) new feature is that if you exit the
   note buffer with C-u C-c C-c, the note will be canceled and not even a 
   time stamp recorded.

Pretty useful if one does not want to "customize" his states.

Great job.

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Re: [Orgmode] log on state change

2007-09-17 Thread Xavier Maillard
   >   I would like to record some comments JUST on certain states,
   > for example I want to mark a task as WAITING and give it a reason,
   > or the "thing" I am waiting for.

   This will be possible in the next version

Nice ! I am also waiting for this feature.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change

2007-09-17 Thread Xavier Maillard
Hi,

   The only restriction is that you no longer can use "@" as a
   selection character for fast TODO selection.

This seems perfectly acceptable to me. Just a question though:
what will happen if a user type '@' in the fast todo selection ?
Will it bug at us ?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: org-mode PDAs

2007-09-17 Thread Xavier Maillard


   Can someone help me understand the advantage of running Emacs in pda?
   Emacs is an keyboard driven application and pda sucks at keyboard
   input. How would these two things match?

I must say I agree with you. I think even more that PDA just suck !

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Re: [Orgmode] Release: Org-mode 5.09

2007-09-17 Thread Xavier Maillard
Hi Carsten,

   Org-mode 5.09 is available at http://orgmode.org.

  - Taking a note upon TODO state changes can be restricted to
selected states.

Perfect !

  - The default for `org-remember-store-without-prompt' is now t.

Yeah, one more line will disappear from .emacs for me ;)

  - Priority cycling goes back to the nil state.

Perfect !

  - You can store a remember note to the *last used* location.

Perfect !

It seems this release is addressing many of my complains. Thank
you very much.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: pabbrev

2007-09-17 Thread John Wiegley
"Kevin Brubeck Unhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, I use org-mode for taking notes while reading, and for psychology
> texts eg. it's really nice not having to write "suprachiasmatic" out every
> time (plus, in Norwegian, as in German, compound nouns get bunched together
> into one word).

For specific long words, I find the default binding of M-/ extremely useful.
It doesn't get in your way, yet it's there for every buffer when you need it.

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