RE: [Orgmode] org-mode as software for Team/Project Management: severalissues

2007-05-07 Thread Egli Christian \(KIRO 43\)
 Hi Ruslan


> I need to plan my team work.  I have tried a lot of software, and the
> best way I found is wiki using.  Joel Spolsky recommends Excel for
> project planning, but Excel (and model of table processors at general)
> is not usable for me - I prefer hierarchical lists.

> org-mode is pretty good for me, but there are several issues which
> blocks my attemts to migrate to org-mode.

Your list of requirements is quite impressive. I don't know how easy it
is to adapt
org-mode to fulfill all your needs. You might want to look at
taskjuggler (www.taskjuggler.org).
It doesn't have the wiki feel to it but it features text based entry,
all the project planing tools you could possibly need, export to html
and ical, handles resources and tasks, etc. It also seems to come with a
special emacs mode.

HTH

Christian 


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[Orgmode] Proposal: In-place formulas in tables

2007-05-07 Thread Simon Winwood

   Hi, I recently got bitten (not badly, say nibbled then), when I
had a formula in a field to sum a column of numbers and added another
data row --- when I C-c C-c'd to update the sum, the last data row was
overwritten (i.e, not the formula field).

For example:

|---+---|
| a | 1 |
| b | 2 |
|---+---|
|   | 3 |
#+TBLFM: @3$2=vsum(@[EMAIL PROTECTED])

add row X and recalculate (note b is overwritten by 1):
|---+---|
| a | 1 |
| X | 7 |
| b | 1 |
|---+---|
|   | 3 |
#+TBLFM: @3$2=vsum(@[EMAIL PROTECTED])

   Obviously the code is doing the right thing according to the
TBLFM rules, it just isn't what I (and, I assume, other people) would
expect.

   So, a solution: rather than overwrite formulas in fields with
their values, use overlays to make the formula invisible and set
before-string (or after-string) to be the calculated value.  

Issues: 

   * You probably want to enable toggling of invisibility, and
   somehow mark values as calc-values.  Maybe have a command to
   edit field formulas in the minibuffer?

   * The code to align tables would need to take into
   consideration the values in the overlay, not the text.
   
   * Ditto for calculating values

   * Cut-and-paste of tables doesn't give you what you expect
   (i.e., you still have formulas, not values)

Comments?  I could probably hack this in, but someone who knows
the code could do it in a few hours (if that) and better than I.
 
 Simon


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Re: [Orgmode] possible bug in org.elc 4.73 ?

2007-05-07 Thread Carsten Dominik

I cannot reproduce thsi problem.  Anyone?

- Carsten

On May 4, 2007, at 11:12, Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:


Hello Crasten,
  I have a problem with Org-mode 4.73 compiled
by me.

My emacs version is:
GNU Emacs 22.0.95.1 (powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.8.20)
of 2007-03-02 on malo, modified by Debian

the org-version shipped with my emacs: org-4-67b

I wanted the latest org version so I compiled org-4.73
following the instructions in the documentation.
Org-mode didn't work.
Enabling debugger I got this error:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable org-org-menu)
  org-mode()
  set-auto-mode-0(org-mode nil)
   
byte-code("ŸÅ‰ƒ/[EMAIL PROTECTED]	!„ÇÈ	\"ˆ‚(ÉÊ	\f\"„(ËÌÅ 
\"ˆ\nA‰„	*Ň" [modes mode --cl-dolist-temp-- done  
keep-mode-if-same nil functionp message "Ignoring unknown mode `%s'" t  
set-auto-mode-0 throw nop] 4)

  set-auto-mode()
  normal-mode(t)
  after-find-file(nil t)
  find-file-noselect-1(# "~/foo.org" nil nil  
"~/foo.org" (588841 774))

  find-file-noselect("~/foo.org" nil nil t)
  find-file("~/foo.org" t)
  call-interactively(find-file)

whereas if I run

$ emacs -l ~/emacs/org-4.73/org.el

everything works.

I'll stick with latter ;-) however it made sense to me to file a bug  
report


Giovanni


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Re: [Orgmode] few bugs in HTML export and wrong links

2007-05-07 Thread Carsten Dominik


On May 4, 2007, at 12:56, Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:


Hello everybody,
it seems to me that I found

3 bugs in the HTML exporter
and
2 missing links in Crasten's site ;-)

Please, find attached the file that shows such bugs & missing links

Giovanni

--- org-file with bug report --
#+TITLE: foo.org
#+LANGUAGE:  en
#+OPTIONS:   H:3 num:t toc:t \n:t @:t ::t |:t ^:t *:t TeX:t LaTeX:nil  
skip:t

* Org [[http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html][mode]]
** TODO  [0/3] :BUGS:HTML:export:
   + [ ] It does not preserve the links in the TOC for the HTML export
 (see * Org _mode_ )
   + [ ]  the :QUOTED text following a list is indented :-( /needs a
 blank line + a line with a character to be *not* indented/ :
: is this indented? yes!
   +  please, try it again!
a
:Now it is not indented anymore
: wow!
   + [ ] option \n:t does not preserve linebreaks I typed after the
 full stops


This is on purpose.  The "a", unindented on a new line terminates the  
list environment.



Now the verse: [with a "\\" linebreak ;-)] \\


Fixed, thanks.



** TODO [0/2] :wrong:links:org:site:
   + [ ]  
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.html#Formula- 
syntax-for-Calc


This one does work for me.

   + [ ]  
http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/calc.html#Calling-Calc- 
from-Your-Programs

 404  ??! ;-)


This indeed does not, thanks.

- Carsten



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Re: [Orgmode] Proposal: In-place formulas in tables

2007-05-07 Thread Carsten Dominik


On May 7, 2007, at 12:24, Simon Winwood wrote:



   Hi, I recently got bitten (not badly, say nibbled then), when I
had a formula in a field to sum a column of numbers and added another
data row --- when I C-c C-c'd to update the sum, the last data row was
overwritten (i.e, not the formula field).

For example:

|---+---|
| a | 1 |
| b | 2 |
|---+---|
|   | 3 |
#+TBLFM: @3$2=vsum(@[EMAIL PROTECTED])

add row X and recalculate (note b is overwritten by 1):
|---+---|
| a | 1 |
| X | 7 |
| b | 1 |
|---+---|
|   | 3 |
#+TBLFM: @3$2=vsum(@[EMAIL PROTECTED])

   Obviously the code is doing the right thing according to the
TBLFM rules, it just isn't what I (and, I assume, other people) would
expect.

   So, a solution: rather than overwrite formulas in fields with
their values, use overlays to make the formula invisible and set
before-string (or after-string) to be the calculated value.


You are hitting a very fundamental difference between org-mode tables
an the usual "spreadsheet" programs.  In a spreadsheet, a table field 
contains a formula, and the result is displayed.  In Org-mode tables, 
the table fieldd only contains the field value, never a formula.  This 
is because Org-mode tables are plain text that can be read as is.  A 
field never contains a formula - one of the nice aspectes of this is 
that you can write column formulas without copying a formula to each 
field in the table.


Now the problem is, that you can edit plain text any way you
like and in this way break the implicit relation between
formuals and fields.  This is a fundamental problem, ven if we would 
store formulas in fields.


What you can to do avoid problems like the one you encountered is
to use org-mode commands to create new rows or columns.  For example
to make a new row, place the cursor on a row and press S-M-down.
Then the formulas will be modified to account for this change.

- Carsten



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