Re: [Emacs-orgmode] configurable link export
Hi Austin,
On May 19, 2006, at 21:33, Austin Frank wrote:
I'd like to suggest a configuration option that influences the way
links are exported in the org-export-as-* functions.
[...]
I think you are raising a very valid point here. This is something
that needs to be handled in an appropriate way. Anybody knows how
Emacs Wiki and Muse deal with such things?
Anyway, I have been thinking about your argumentation and come to the
conclusion that this is an issue I would like to push almost entirely
onto Davids table. David, are you listening? :-)
Validation of links is really related to publishing. From the point of
"exporting", somefile.html is simply a different representation of
something.org, by default this exported file lives in the same
directory, so all file links, be they absolute or relative should work
just fine.
However, publishing is about moving files to a publishing directory,
and here the issue of validating links becomes really important. The
way I would like to go about implementing this is the following:
The org-publish functions should pass a special property to the html
exporter. The value of this property should be a function that can be
used to validate a file link. I would like to be able to call this
function with a file name as the argument and maybe the directory of
the original org file as an additional argument (might be unnecessary).
This function should then return if it will be safe to link to this
file, and maybe even return a modified path to this file.
Org-publish would then be responsible to create the right function, and
the user could even write her own function.
Besides minimizing the work for me :-), this would have obvious
advantages. Org-publish is fully aware of the entire structure of a
project, so it will know which files will also be exported, to what
locations, and it can therefore make a very accurate determination on
if and how a given file will be accessible from the publishing
location.
There are many ways org-publish could go about doing this. One would
be the way you, Austin, proposed, through special configuration setting
- not variables, but properties then. Another, more elegant way,
would be that the structure and content of org-publish-project-alist is
used to fully automatically determine the validity of a link. not
trivial to implement, but possible and a nice challenge.
David, what do you think? Austin, do you think this could be a viable
way?
- Carsten
When I create local org files, I link to whatever files on my disk are
relevant and useful. When I publish those org files, some of the org
links (like to other published org files) still work and make sense as
html links. Others (like links to local documents or directories)
don't make any sense when published-- the resources they pointed to on
the local system aren't on the remote filesystem that hosts the html
pages.
To be more specific, I maintain a directory ~/notes/ and a directory
~/blog/, each with a bunch of org files underneath it. I then use
org-publish to generate the html files, which are then uploaded to my
website. Crucially, this same directory structure is mirrored at my
website, so local org links between those files work perfectly as html
links when they are published and uploaded.
I'd love to be able to specify that I want all org links of
[file:///home/aufrank/notes/*] and [file:///home/aufrank/blog/*] to be
exported as full html links, and exclude org links to any other files
on my filesystem at export time.
I think that David has established a good system for including and
excluding files during publishing. Org-publish first generates a list
of files to publish based on regex matching of the extensions of files
in a directory. These are filtered through a regex-based exclude
list, and then individual files can be added back in with an include
list.
Applying this strategy to link export, I might want to have something
like the following in my org-config.el:
(setq org-export-links-extension "org\\|txt"
org-export-links-exclude "~/*"
org-export-links-include ("~/notes/", "~/blog/"))
This would result in exporting all of the .org and .txt files in
~/notes/ and ~/blog/ as working links in html files, but would ignore
links in org files to anything else in my home directory during
export.
There's certainly a question about how org links that are not exported
as html links should be handled. I would actually be fine with just
exporting the double-bracketed notation, but I bet there are better
ideas out there.
Thanks again for the org suite,
/au
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Re: [Emacs-orgmode] third export request
This is no problem. I will probably not make separate variables for this, but allow an alist value for org-publishing-directory that can look like this: (setq org-publishing-directory '((:html . "./html/") (:ascii . "../text/") (:xoxo . "html/"))) Something along those lines. I have too many publishing options already - I should have done this with property lists from the beginning, but unfortunately did not think of this possibility. Sort of too late now. - Carsten On May 19, 2006, at 22:22, Austin Frank wrote: Last one on this topic, I think :) I don't know if this is more of an org-export or an org-publish request, but I'd like to be able to do something like (setq org-export-as-ascii-directory "~/notes/text/") and have any org-export-as-ascii files sent to that directory. Likewise for the other org-export-as-* functions. It'd be nice to be able to configure where the ical files end up when they're exported, as well. Allowing exports to be written to specific directories seems like it might provide a sensible default for the :publishing-directory plist entry in org-publish-projects-alist, but I admit I haven't thought that through very thoroughly. Thanks again for reading, /au ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Emacs-orgmode] configurable link export
Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anyway, I have been thinking about your argumentation and come to the
> conclusion that this is an issue I would like to push almost entirely
> onto Davids table. David, are you listening? :-)
Yes :-)
> way, would be that the structure and content of
> org-publish-project-alist is used to fully automatically determine the
> validity of a link. not trivial to implement, but possible and a nice
> challenge.
I have been thinking about inter-file links in preparation for
implementing some of the more advanced features for org-publish (page
rewriting, sitemap generation, etc) and I think this will be very
simple to straighten out.
All we need is for people to specify a property called :link-base that
is the prefix for a URL. For example, if :publishing-directory is
"/ssh:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/images", the user should probably set
the :link-base to "/images" or "http://foosite.org/images";
Given this one extra piece of information, then it is a simple matter
for the :link-transform function to actually generate proper URLs
(instead of simply validating them.) This would free projects from the
requirement that the web server must have the exact same directory
layout as your local project files.
This would allow, as you say, for link targets to be validated and
transformed automatically, given just the structure and contents of
org-publish-project-alist.
I will work on this and let you know how it goes.
Austin--- how does this sound?
>> When I create local org files, I link to whatever files on my disk
>> are relevant and useful. When I publish those org files, some of
>> the org links (like to other published org files) still work and
>> make sense as html links. Others (like links to local documents or
>> directories) don't make any sense when published-- the resources
>> they pointed to on the local system aren't on the remote filesystem
>> that hosts the html pages.
>>
>> To be more specific, I maintain a directory ~/notes/ and a directory
>> ~/blog/, each with a bunch of org files underneath it. I then use
>> org-publish to generate the html files, which are then uploaded to
>> my website. Crucially, this same directory structure is mirrored at
>> my website, so local org links between those files work perfectly as
>> html links when they are published and uploaded.
>>
>> I'd love to be able to specify that I want all org links of
>> [file:///home/aufrank/notes/*] and [file:///home/aufrank/blog/*] to
>> be exported as full html links, and exclude org links to any other
>> files on my filesystem at export time.
>>
>> I think that David has established a good system for including and
>> excluding files during publishing. Org-publish first generates a
>> list of files to publish based on regex matching of the extensions
>> of files in a directory. These are filtered through a regex-based
>> exclude list, and then individual files can be added back in with an
>> include list.
>>
>> Applying this strategy to link export, I might want to have
>> something like the following in my org-config.el:
>>
>> (setq org-export-links-extension "org\\|txt"
>> org-export-links-exclude "~/*"
>> org-export-links-include ("~/notes/", "~/blog/"))
>>
>> This would result in exporting all of the .org and .txt files in
>> ~/notes/ and ~/blog/ as working links in html files, but would
>> ignore links in org files to anything else in my home directory
>> during export.
>>
>> There's certainly a question about how org links that are not
>> exported as html links should be handled. I would actually be fine
>> with just exporting the double-bracketed notation, but I bet there
>> are better ideas out there.
>>
>> Thanks again for the org suite,
>> /au
>>
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Re: [Emacs-orgmode] org-demote leaves point in the wrong place?
Fixed, thanks. - Carsten On May 20, 2006, at 19:40, T. V. Raman wrote: this is especially noticeable when editting lists and createing sublists. Start a new item, hit M-shift-right and the new bullet indents; continue typing and text ends up at the beginning of the line, rather than where you want it. -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Emacs-orgmode] Wishlist Item: KBD navigation through list items:
On May 20, 2006, at 19:15, T. V. Raman wrote: I'm looking for a way to move through list items with a single keystroke, e.g. M-n and M-p or something similar. I didn't find a convenient org-next-item and org-previous-item command, would it be possible to add these? Are you talking about outline headings, or about plain list items? - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Emacs-orgmode] HTML question
I am trying to improve the HTML representation of the new checkboxes in items. I found out that I could use to get a pretty checkbox, but that of course gives a checkbox that is actually active, so users can select and deselect them - unwanted in this case. I would like a checkbox that shows the state, but cannot be changed. Is there an easy way to do this? Thanks. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Emacs-orgmode] Re: HTML question
Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > this case. I would like a checkbox that shows the state, but cannot > be changed. Is there an easy way to do this? The following appears to work in Firefox. Permanently Checked Permanently Unchecked Todd ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Emacs-orgmode] Wishlist Item: KBD navigation through list items:
Plain list items. I already know how to move amongst outline headings using outline mode navigation. > "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carsten> On May 20, 2006, at 19:15, T. V. Raman wrote: Carsten> >> > > I'm looking for a way to move through list items with a single >> keystroke, e.g. M-n and M-p or something similar. >> >> I didn't find a convenient org-next-item and >> org-previous-item command, would it be possible to add >> these? Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Are you talking about outline headings, or about Carsten> plain list items? Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Emacs-orgmode] HTML question
the bigger issue with this is that legal HTML and XHTML does not allow you to have a free floating checkbox item outside an html form element. XForms does allow this, but is probably not what you're looking for. > "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carsten> I am trying to improve the HTML representation of Carsten> the new checkboxes in items. I found out that I Carsten> could use Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> to get a pretty checkbox, but that of course gives a Carsten> checkbox that is actually active, so users can Carsten> select and deselect them - unwanted in this case. I Carsten> would like a checkbox that shows the state, but Carsten> cannot be changed. Is there an easy way to do this? Carsten> Carsten> Thanks. Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> ___ Carsten> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Emacs-orgmode] cannot store link to an info ode?
I was mildly surprized/disappointed when C-c l org-store-link raised an error in an info buffer. How about teaching org about info: links? -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Emacs-orgmode] Re: cannot store link to an info ode?
"T. V. Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
--- ../org.el 2006-05-20 23:28:27.491989152 -0400
+++ org.el 2006-05-20 23:23:37.445082984 -0400
@@ -2666,7 +2666,7 @@
(defconst org-non-link-chars "]\t\n\r<>")
(defconst org-link-types '("https?" "ftp" "mailto" "file" "news" "bbdb" "vm"
- "wl" "mhe" "rmail" "gnus" "shell"))
+ "wl" "mhe" "rmail" "gnus" "shell" "info"))
(defconst org-link-re-with-space
(concat
"
> I was mildly surprized/disappointed when C-c l org-store-link
> raised an error in an info buffer.
> How about teaching org about info: links?
>
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> --raman
Here is a patch to do this. I haven't tested it too much and there
may be a better way, but it works for me.
Todd
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[Emacs-orgmode] Re: cannot store link to an info ode?
Applied your patch, works like a charm! Thanks, and hope this gets into the next update to org-mode.el -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Emacs-orgmode] HTML question
On May 21, 2006, at 1:01, T. V. Raman wrote: the bigger issue with this is that legal HTML and XHTML does not allow you to have a free floating checkbox item outside an html form element. XForms does allow this, but is probably not what you're looking for. Hmmm, this is a problem indeed. I can of course just leave "[ ]" and "[X]", but these do not have the same width and look not pretty. Does anyone know how to make a space as wide as "X"? - Carsten "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carsten> I am trying to improve the HTML representation of Carsten> the new checkboxes in items. I found out that I Carsten> could use Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> to get a pretty checkbox, but that of course gives a Carsten> checkbox that is actually active, so users can Carsten> select and deselect them - unwanted in this case. I Carsten> would like a checkbox that shows the state, but Carsten> cannot be changed. Is there an easy way to do this? Carsten> Carsten> Thanks. Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> ___ Carsten> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Best Regards, --raman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM:emacspeak GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP:http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC:irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Emacs-orgmode] HTML question
On Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:09:46 +0200, Carsten Dominik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 21, 2006, at 1:01, T. V. Raman wrote: > > > > > the bigger issue with this is that legal HTML and XHTML does not > > allow you to have a free floating checkbox item outside an html > > form element. XForms does allow this, but is probably not what > > you're looking for. > > > Hmmm, this is a problem indeed. I can of course just leave "[ ]" and > "[X]", but these do not have the same width and look not pretty. Does > anyone know how to make a space as wide as "X"? This is one way: [X] [X] Dave ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
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That works, great, thanks. - Carsten On May 21, 2006, at 8:42, David Emery wrote: X -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
