Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package

2018-11-29 Thread Alejandro
José Enrique,disculpa y gracias por contestarme.Quería pedirte si me puedes 
contar brevemente ¿cómo pudiste borrar el systemd-shim package?No se cómo 
accederloMuchas graciasAlejandro   
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José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
   
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  - Nov 19 at 2:01 PM

   
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Message body
Thanks a lot for your help. I resolved my problem erasing systemd-shim and
updating.
I'll try new solution in another pc.
Kind regards


  From: José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
 To: avertaness...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
   
Lo siento Alejandro, no soy Lucas
 Saludos

El mar., 27 nov. 2018 18:51, Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
escribió:

> Dear Łukasz ZemczakThank you for all your replies.Sorry I couldn't make
> this test in the last weeks I will make them as soon as
> possibleRegardsAlejandro
>
>      From: Łukasz Zemczak <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:21 AM
>  Subject: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
>
> Hello Kees, or anyone else affected,
>
> Accepted systemd into bionic-proposed. The package will build now and be
> available at
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/237-3ubuntu10.10 in a few
> hours, and then in the -proposed repository.
>
> Please help us by testing this new package.  See
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how
> to enable and use -proposed.  Your feedback will aid us getting this
> update out to other Ubuntu users.
>
> If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug,
> mentioning the version of the package you tested and change the tag from
> verification-needed-bionic to verification-done-bionic. If it does not
> fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the
> tag to verification-failed-bionic. In either case, without details of
> your testing we will not be able to proceed.
>
> Further information regarding the verification process can be found at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification .  Thank you in
> advance for helping!
>
> N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s)
> fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in
> -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> duplicate bug report (1796221).
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1773859
>
> Title:
>  upgrades to 18.04 fail
>
> Status in systemd package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
> Status in systemd-shim package in Ubuntu:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in systemd source package in Bionic:
>  Fix Committed
> Status in systemd-shim source package in Bionic:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in systemd source package in Cosmic:
>  Fix Released
> Status in systemd-shim source package in Cosmic:
>  Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
>  [Impact]
>
>    * Some systems fail to upgrade due to conflicts between systemd and
>  the (now removed from the archive) systemd-shim / upstart.
>
>    * Instead of trying to work out what's the problem in ordering /
>  removal of diverts, ensure that systemd is never unpacked whilst
>  systemd-shim/upstart are still on disk. Thus declare conflicts against
>  systemd-shim/upstart packages in systemd package.
>
>  [Test Case]
>
>    * monitor drop-off of upgrades with below reported problem
>
>    * Check that it is possible to upgrade to bionic's libpam-systemd
>  from xenial with systemd-shim installed on xenial, ie.
>
>  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial test-shim-upgrade
>  lxc exec test-shim-upgrade
>  apt update
>  apt install systemd-shim
>  wget
> https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/systemd-shim/systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
>  apt install ./systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
>  sed 's/xenial/bionic/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
>  apt update
>  apt install systemd
>
>  this currently passes, however, systemd-shim remains installed. It
>  should be removed instead. Apt install systemd should have lines like
>  this:
>
>  The following packages will be REMOVED:
>    systemd-shim
>  ...
>  Removing 'diversion of
> /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to
> /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd
> by systemd-shim'
>  ...
>
>
>  [Regression Potential]
>
>    * systemd-shim/upstart are both removed and not supported in bionic,
>  thus forcing their removal via conflicts should bring the system into
>  an expected state.
>
>  [Other Info]
>
>    * original bug report
>
>  $ sudo apt upgrade
>  Reading package lists... Done
>  Building dependency tree
>  Reading state information... Done
>  Calculating upgrade... Done
>  The following packages will be REMOVED:
>    systemd-shim
>  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgrad

Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package

2018-11-29 Thread b0w
Yo tambien tengo dudas de como resolverlo! I Still have some doubts on how
to fix it, but if in 7 days it will be available for everyone i will just
wait the update.
Greetings!

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:31 PM Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
wrote:

> José Enrique,disculpa y gracias por contestarme.Quería pedirte si me
> puedes contar brevemente ¿cómo pudiste borrar el systemd-shim package?No se
> cómo accederloMuchas graciasAlejandro
>   -
>   -
>  -
>
>
>   -
>  - -
> José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>
>   -
>   - Nov 19 at 2:01 PM
>
>
>- To avertaness...@yahoo.com
>   -
>
> Message body
> Thanks a lot for your help. I resolved my problem erasing systemd-shim and
> updating.
> I'll try new solution in another pc.
> Kind regards
>
>
>   From: José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:01 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
>
> Lo siento Alejandro, no soy Lucas
>  Saludos
>
> El mar., 27 nov. 2018 18:51, Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> escribió:
>
> > Dear Łukasz ZemczakThank you for all your replies.Sorry I couldn't make
> > this test in the last weeks I will make them as soon as
> > possibleRegardsAlejandro
> >
> >  From: Łukasz Zemczak <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> >  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:21 AM
> >  Subject: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
> >
> > Hello Kees, or anyone else affected,
> >
> > Accepted systemd into bionic-proposed. The package will build now and be
> > available at
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/237-3ubuntu10.10 in a few
> > hours, and then in the -proposed repository.
> >
> > Please help us by testing this new package.  See
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how
> > to enable and use -proposed.  Your feedback will aid us getting this
> > update out to other Ubuntu users.
> >
> > If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug,
> > mentioning the version of the package you tested and change the tag from
> > verification-needed-bionic to verification-done-bionic. If it does not
> > fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the
> > tag to verification-failed-bionic. In either case, without details of
> > your testing we will not be able to proceed.
> >
> > Further information regarding the verification process can be found at
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification .  Thank you in
> > advance for helping!
> >
> > N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s)
> > fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in
> > -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.
> >
> > --
> > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> > duplicate bug report (1796221).
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1773859
> >
> > Title:
> >  upgrades to 18.04 fail
> >
> > Status in systemd package in Ubuntu:
> >  Fix Released
> > Status in systemd-shim package in Ubuntu:
> >  Won't Fix
> > Status in systemd source package in Bionic:
> >  Fix Committed
> > Status in systemd-shim source package in Bionic:
> >  Won't Fix
> > Status in systemd source package in Cosmic:
> >  Fix Released
> > Status in systemd-shim source package in Cosmic:
> >  Won't Fix
> >
> > Bug description:
> >  [Impact]
> >
> >* Some systems fail to upgrade due to conflicts between systemd and
> >  the (now removed from the archive) systemd-shim / upstart.
> >
> >* Instead of trying to work out what's the problem in ordering /
> >  removal of diverts, ensure that systemd is never unpacked whilst
> >  systemd-shim/upstart are still on disk. Thus declare conflicts against
> >  systemd-shim/upstart packages in systemd package.
> >
> >  [Test Case]
> >
> >* monitor drop-off of upgrades with below reported problem
> >
> >* Check that it is possible to upgrade to bionic's libpam-systemd
> >  from xenial with systemd-shim installed on xenial, ie.
> >
> >  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial test-shim-upgrade
> >  lxc exec test-shim-upgrade
> >  apt update
> >  apt install systemd-shim
> >  wget
> >
> https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/systemd-shim/systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> >  apt install ./systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> >  sed 's/xenial/bionic/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
> >  apt update
> >  apt install systemd
> >
> >  this currently passes, however, systemd-shim remains installed. It
> >  should be removed instead. Apt install systemd should have lines like
> >  this:
> >
> >  The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >systemd-shim
> >  ...
> >  Removing 'diversion of
> > /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to
> >
> /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd
> > by systemd-shim'
> >  ...
> >
> >
> >  [Regression Potential]
> >
> >* systemd-shim

[Dx-packages] [Bug 1773859] Re: upgrades to 18.04 fail

2018-11-29 Thread b0w
Is there any package available that fix this thing?

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Title:
  upgrades to 18.04 fail

Status in systemd package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released
Status in systemd-shim package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in systemd source package in Bionic:
  Fix Committed
Status in systemd-shim source package in Bionic:
  Won't Fix
Status in systemd source package in Cosmic:
  Fix Released
Status in systemd-shim source package in Cosmic:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  [Impact]

   * Some systems fail to upgrade due to conflicts between systemd and
  the (now removed from the archive) systemd-shim / upstart.

   * Instead of trying to work out what's the problem in ordering /
  removal of diverts, ensure that systemd is never unpacked whilst
  systemd-shim/upstart are still on disk. Thus declare conflicts against
  systemd-shim/upstart packages in systemd package.

  [Test Case]

   * monitor drop-off of upgrades with below reported problem

   * Check that it is possible to upgrade to bionic's libpam-systemd
  from xenial with systemd-shim installed on xenial, ie.

  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial test-shim-upgrade
  lxc exec test-shim-upgrade
  apt update
  apt install systemd-shim
  wget 
https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/systemd-shim/systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
  apt install ./systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb 
  sed 's/xenial/bionic/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
  apt update
  apt install systemd

  this currently passes, however, systemd-shim remains installed. It
  should be removed instead. Apt install systemd should have lines like
  this:

  The following packages will be REMOVED:
systemd-shim
  ...
  Removing 'diversion of 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd by 
systemd-shim'
  ...

  
  [Regression Potential]

   * systemd-shim/upstart are both removed and not supported in bionic,
  thus forcing their removal via conflicts should bring the system into
  an expected state.

  [Other Info]

   * original bug report

  $ sudo apt upgrade
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  Calculating upgrade... Done
  The following packages will be REMOVED:
    systemd-shim
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  1 not fully installed or removed.
  After this operation, 71.7 kB disk space will be freed.
  Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
  (Reading database ... 63 files and directories currently installed.)
  Removing systemd-shim (9-1bzr4ubuntu1) ...
  Removing 'diversion of 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd by 
systemd-shim'
  dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting 
'/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service' with
    different file 
'/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd', 
not allowed
  dpkg: error processing package systemd-shim (--remove):
   subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2
  Errors were encountered while processing:
   systemd-shim
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

  Commenting out the dpkg-divert in systemd-shim's postrm solved this
  for me and I was about to continue the upgrade.

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Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package

2018-11-29 Thread José Enrique
Hola mira esta solución.

Saludos.

El jue., 29 nov. 2018 22:51, b0w <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net> escribió:

> Yo tambien tengo dudas de como resolverlo! I Still have some doubts on how
> to fix it, but if in 7 days it will be available for everyone i will just
> wait the update.
> Greetings!
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:31 PM Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> wrote:
>
> > José Enrique,disculpa y gracias por contestarme.Quería pedirte si me
> > puedes contar brevemente ¿cómo pudiste borrar el systemd-shim package?No
> se
> > cómo accederloMuchas graciasAlejandro
> >   -
> >   -
> >  -
> >
> >
> >   -
> >  - -
> > José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> >
> >   -
> >   - Nov 19 at 2:01 PM
> >
> >
> >- To avertaness...@yahoo.com
> >   -
> >
> > Message body
> > Thanks a lot for your help. I resolved my problem erasing systemd-shim
> and
> > updating.
> > I'll try new solution in another pc.
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >   From: José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> >  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:01 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
> >
> > Lo siento Alejandro, no soy Lucas
> >  Saludos
> >
> > El mar., 27 nov. 2018 18:51, Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> > escribió:
> >
> > > Dear Łukasz ZemczakThank you for all your replies.Sorry I couldn't make
> > > this test in the last weeks I will make them as soon as
> > > possibleRegardsAlejandro
> > >
> > >  From: Łukasz Zemczak <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> > >  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
> > >  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:21 AM
> > >  Subject: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
> > >
> > > Hello Kees, or anyone else affected,
> > >
> > > Accepted systemd into bionic-proposed. The package will build now and
> be
> > > available at
> > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/237-3ubuntu10.10 in a few
> > > hours, and then in the -proposed repository.
> > >
> > > Please help us by testing this new package.  See
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on
> how
> > > to enable and use -proposed.  Your feedback will aid us getting this
> > > update out to other Ubuntu users.
> > >
> > > If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this
> bug,
> > > mentioning the version of the package you tested and change the tag
> from
> > > verification-needed-bionic to verification-done-bionic. If it does not
> > > fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the
> > > tag to verification-failed-bionic. In either case, without details of
> > > your testing we will not be able to proceed.
> > >
> > > Further information regarding the verification process can be found at
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification .  Thank you
> in
> > > advance for helping!
> > >
> > > N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s)
> > > fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in
> > > -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.
> > >
> > > --
> > > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> > > duplicate bug report (1796221).
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1773859
> > >
> > > Title:
> > >  upgrades to 18.04 fail
> > >
> > > Status in systemd package in Ubuntu:
> > >  Fix Released
> > > Status in systemd-shim package in Ubuntu:
> > >  Won't Fix
> > > Status in systemd source package in Bionic:
> > >  Fix Committed
> > > Status in systemd-shim source package in Bionic:
> > >  Won't Fix
> > > Status in systemd source package in Cosmic:
> > >  Fix Released
> > > Status in systemd-shim source package in Cosmic:
> > >  Won't Fix
> > >
> > > Bug description:
> > >  [Impact]
> > >
> > >* Some systems fail to upgrade due to conflicts between systemd and
> > >  the (now removed from the archive) systemd-shim / upstart.
> > >
> > >* Instead of trying to work out what's the problem in ordering /
> > >  removal of diverts, ensure that systemd is never unpacked whilst
> > >  systemd-shim/upstart are still on disk. Thus declare conflicts against
> > >  systemd-shim/upstart packages in systemd package.
> > >
> > >  [Test Case]
> > >
> > >* monitor drop-off of upgrades with below reported problem
> > >
> > >* Check that it is possible to upgrade to bionic's libpam-systemd
> > >  from xenial with systemd-shim installed on xenial, ie.
> > >
> > >  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial test-shim-upgrade
> > >  lxc exec test-shim-upgrade
> > >  apt update
> > >  apt install systemd-shim
> > >  wget
> > >
> >
> https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/systemd-shim/systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> > >  apt install ./systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> > >  sed 's/xenial/bionic/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
> > >  apt update
> > >  apt install systemd
> > >
> > >  this currently passes, however, systemd-shim remains installed. It
> > >  should be removed instead. Apt install sys

Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package

2018-11-29 Thread José Enrique
Mira esta solucion
Saludos

El jue., 29 nov. 2018 19:31, Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
escribió:

> José Enrique,disculpa y gracias por contestarme.Quería pedirte si me
> puedes contar brevemente ¿cómo pudiste borrar el systemd-shim package?No se
> cómo accederloMuchas graciasAlejandro
>   -
>   -
>  -
>
>
>   -
>  - -
> José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>
>   -
>   - Nov 19 at 2:01 PM
>
>
>- To avertaness...@yahoo.com
>   -
>
> Message body
> Thanks a lot for your help. I resolved my problem erasing systemd-shim and
> updating.
> I'll try new solution in another pc.
> Kind regards
>
>
>   From: José Enrique <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
>  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:01 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
>
> Lo siento Alejandro, no soy Lucas
>  Saludos
>
> El mar., 27 nov. 2018 18:51, Alejandro <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> escribió:
>
> > Dear Łukasz ZemczakThank you for all your replies.Sorry I couldn't make
> > this test in the last weeks I will make them as soon as
> > possibleRegardsAlejandro
> >
> >  From: Łukasz Zemczak <1773...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> >  To: avertaness...@yahoo.com
> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:21 AM
> >  Subject: [Bug 1773859] Please test proposed package
> >
> > Hello Kees, or anyone else affected,
> >
> > Accepted systemd into bionic-proposed. The package will build now and be
> > available at
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/237-3ubuntu10.10 in a few
> > hours, and then in the -proposed repository.
> >
> > Please help us by testing this new package.  See
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how
> > to enable and use -proposed.  Your feedback will aid us getting this
> > update out to other Ubuntu users.
> >
> > If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug,
> > mentioning the version of the package you tested and change the tag from
> > verification-needed-bionic to verification-done-bionic. If it does not
> > fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the
> > tag to verification-failed-bionic. In either case, without details of
> > your testing we will not be able to proceed.
> >
> > Further information regarding the verification process can be found at
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification .  Thank you in
> > advance for helping!
> >
> > N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s)
> > fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in
> > -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.
> >
> > --
> > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> > duplicate bug report (1796221).
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1773859
> >
> > Title:
> >  upgrades to 18.04 fail
> >
> > Status in systemd package in Ubuntu:
> >  Fix Released
> > Status in systemd-shim package in Ubuntu:
> >  Won't Fix
> > Status in systemd source package in Bionic:
> >  Fix Committed
> > Status in systemd-shim source package in Bionic:
> >  Won't Fix
> > Status in systemd source package in Cosmic:
> >  Fix Released
> > Status in systemd-shim source package in Cosmic:
> >  Won't Fix
> >
> > Bug description:
> >  [Impact]
> >
> >* Some systems fail to upgrade due to conflicts between systemd and
> >  the (now removed from the archive) systemd-shim / upstart.
> >
> >* Instead of trying to work out what's the problem in ordering /
> >  removal of diverts, ensure that systemd is never unpacked whilst
> >  systemd-shim/upstart are still on disk. Thus declare conflicts against
> >  systemd-shim/upstart packages in systemd package.
> >
> >  [Test Case]
> >
> >* monitor drop-off of upgrades with below reported problem
> >
> >* Check that it is possible to upgrade to bionic's libpam-systemd
> >  from xenial with systemd-shim installed on xenial, ie.
> >
> >  lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial test-shim-upgrade
> >  lxc exec test-shim-upgrade
> >  apt update
> >  apt install systemd-shim
> >  wget
> >
> https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/systemd-shim/systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> >  apt install ./systemd-shim_10-3_amd64.deb
> >  sed 's/xenial/bionic/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
> >  apt update
> >  apt install systemd
> >
> >  this currently passes, however, systemd-shim remains installed. It
> >  should be removed instead. Apt install systemd should have lines like
> >  this:
> >
> >  The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >systemd-shim
> >  ...
> >  Removing 'diversion of
> > /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service to
> >
> /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service.systemd
> > by systemd-shim'
> >  ...
> >
> >
> >  [Regression Potential]
> >
> >* systemd-shim/upstart are both removed and not supported in bionic,
> >  thus forcing their removal via conflicts should bring the system into
> >  an expected stat