Re: Using dovecot with RoundCubeMail - where is the information for new mail in (blue coloured) directories?

[Peter]

Am 19.12.20 um 15:53 schrieb David Morsberger:

Phil,

I looked around and this is deep in the Roundcube service side code. It 
is detecting a new message in a folder since the last time you viewed 
the contents of the folder.


I see has the folder list items are changed through css and how the 
server side code is receiving the request to check for recent. It get 
complicated after that. I cannot determine if it is keep state in 
roundcube or making a call to the IMAP provider. I am leaning to 
roundcube state.


The server would be hard pressed: Several users may idle in the same 
mailbox. If a message is new, then for whom exactly?


Thunderbird has a css selector to match "newMessages" too: It can be 
used from userChrome.css to highlight folders, where there are messages, 
that have not been there, when the folder was last opened. It wont ever 
match the folder that is currently opened. This propertry is pure client 
side state by definition.


Peter



On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Philip Rhoades > wrote:


David,


On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

Phil,
Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?



No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in 
blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two 
blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in 
bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.


I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder 
blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the folder.


Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.



Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as
flags in the email filename on disk.
It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples'
https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir
And in 'What can I put in info?'
https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades 
wrote:
Benny,
On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14:
Every few years I try to work this problem out
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1
please upgrade first

It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . .

- occasionally I would
like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up
as
blue-coloured in RCM.

please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol,

Then how do I do what I want with IMAP?

if you use
roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

That comment doesn't make sense . .

Every time I Google in vain and then have a go
at working it out myself

if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

Quite frequently not true . .

but the only thing I can see is that there is
a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after
having
the blue dir clicked on

dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

You already said that - what is your solution then?

(and the colour of the dir name changes back
to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself?

no

OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway.
P.
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Re: Using dovecot with RoundCubeMail - where is the information for new mail in (blue coloured) directories?

[Philip Rhoades]

Peter,


On 2020-12-20 19:33, Peter wrote:

Am 19.12.20 um 15:53 schrieb David Morsberger:

Phil,

I looked around and this is deep in the Roundcube service side code. 
It is detecting a new message in a folder since the last time you 
viewed the contents of the folder.


I see has the folder list items are changed through css and how the 
server side code is receiving the request to check for recent. It get 
complicated after that. I cannot determine if it is keep state in 
roundcube or making a call to the IMAP provider. I am leaning to 
roundcube state.


The server would be hard pressed: Several users may idle in the same
mailbox. If a message is new, then for whom exactly?

Thunderbird has a css selector to match "newMessages" too: It can be
used from userChrome.css to highlight folders, where there are
messages, that have not been there, when the folder was last opened.



It is not even "last opened" - the blue highlighting disappears with 
time (not sure how long) - even if the folder is not touched - and it 
certainly disappears if RCM is closed and opened again . .




It wont ever match the folder that is currently opened.



Not sure what you mean by that?



This propertry
is pure client side state by definition.



I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what does 
that mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder 
highlight arbitrarily?


Thanks,

Phil.


On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:19 AM, Philip Rhoades > wrote:


David,


On 2020-12-19 00:08, David Morsberger wrote:

Phil,
Are you trying to find out how dovecot marks emails as unread?



No - I am trying to work out how New Unread Mails are highlighted in 
blue - see the attached partial screen capture - the two 
blue-highlighted RCM folders are highlighted in blue AND are also in 
bold - folders with OLD but UNREAD mails are just in bold.


I want to create a script or find out some way of marking a folder 
blue according to the datestamp of the most recent mail in the 
folder.


Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Phil.



Assuming you are using maildir format, it appears to be encoded as
flags in the email filename on disk.
It’s briefly covered in 'Filename examples'
https://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir
And in 'What can I put in info?'
https://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html

On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Philip Rhoades 
wrote:
Benny,
On 2020-12-18 09:28, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Philip Rhoades skrev den 2020-12-17 22:14:
Every few years I try to work this problem out
User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4-rc1
please upgrade first
It is a long-standing problem and upgrading RCM is not a solution . 
.

- occasionally I would
like to re-mark a dir as having new mail so that the dir shows up
as
blue-coloured in RCM.

please dont modify mails outside of imap protocol,

Then how do I do what I want with IMAP?

if you use
roundcube it will not be needed to mangle shell accounts

That comment doesn't make sense . .

Every time I Google in vain and then have a go
at working it out myself

if google have no answer to it, its simple not supported

Quite frequently not true . .

but the only thing I can see is that there is
a change in the appropriate dir dovecot.index.log file after
having
the blue dir clicked on

dont mangle files outside of imap protocol

You already said that - what is your solution then?

(and the colour of the dir name changes back
to black) - so is the information stored somewhere in RCM itself?

no

OK, overall not a very helpful response . . but thanks anyway.
P.
--
Philip Rhoades
PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au


--
Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au 





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PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au

Re: Using dovecot with RoundCubeMail - where is the information for new mail in (blue coloured) directories?

[@lbutlr]

On 20 Dec 2020, at 04:05, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what does that 
> mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder highlight 
> arbitrarily?

Sound like the Roundcube style choices are outside th purview of dovecot.

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Re: Using dovecot with RoundCubeMail - where is the information for new mail in (blue coloured) directories?

[Philip Rhoades]

@lbutlr,


On 2020-12-21 00:43, @lbutlr wrote:

On 20 Dec 2020, at 04:05, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
I guess that is what it seems to look like to me as well - but what 
does that mean for what I am trying to do? - ie reset the blue folder 
highlight arbitrarily?


Sound like the Roundcube style choices are outside th purview of 
dovecot.



Hmm . . the first response I got here was that it was definitely an IMAP 
thing . . I think he was unclear about the actual problem . .


I will try the RCM forum . .

Thanks,

P.
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PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au