Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-11 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
Unless I'm wrong, the I-D about lying resolvers do not discuss the
issue of zone cuts. 

If I type www.doesnotexistatall.com (the SLD does not exist and so I
should get a NXDOMAIN), I get the IP address of the ad Web server. If
I type .afnic.fr, I will get this IP address as well, since the
QNAME does not exist (four 'w' instead of three) despite the fact that
the SLD does exist.

This is a very serious problem: when rewriting the NXDOMAIN of
www.doesnotexistatall.com, you only harm the user. When rewriting the
NXDOMAIN of .afnic.fr, you harm the holder of afnic.fr as well,
since the ad Web site will appear to be under this SLD.

Searching for a zone cut and not rewriting answers when there is a
non-delegation domain in the path may be a solution, although I'm not
sure it is possible to do it properly. (And I won't try since
modifying DNS answers is a bad idea, anyway).

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Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-11 Thread Evan Hunt

> This is a very serious problem: when rewriting the NXDOMAIN of
> www.doesnotexistatall.com, you only harm the user. When rewriting the
> NXDOMAIN of .afnic.fr, you harm the holder of afnic.fr as well,
> since the ad Web site will appear to be under this SLD.

Not only is this a very good point, but it doesn't just apply at the
SLD level.  ICANN will be selling vanity TLD's someday soon, and it'll
be necessary to think about www.doesnotexistatall.ebay and .amazon and
.google and so forth.  Rewriting NXDOMAIN under *any* zone cut, not
just the SLD zone cut, could harm a domain owner.

-- 
Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org
Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.

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Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-11 Thread Paul Hoffman
It seems inappropriate for the IETF to bless lying resolvers as a Best Current 
Practice. I doubt we as a community could have consensus on when lying is good, 
when it is neutral, and when it is bad. Without such agreement, we can't agree 
on how to run such servers. Having said that, the publication of a document 
such as this (with more input from the community) as a Informational RFC could 
indeed help the Internet.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium
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