[dns-wg] DNS4EU?

[Ana Sen]

Just to add some background that might betray some of the intent of this
initiative. in the first mention of the DNS4EU in the Cybersecurity
Strategy published in Dec 2020 a motivation for an EU based resolver to
reduce dependencies on - note-  a handful of non-EU companies, is marked by
a footnote informed by this paper
. This
seems like a great idea for somebody thinking about the following terms:
how to reduce dependencies on non-EU operated infrastructure, how to
provide an EU alternative and, add-ons, it has to comply with all the EU
values and norms. Fast forward, the add ons develop by being added by extra
technicalities and the CEF2 funding programme has a funding line for this.

Ideally there are stakeholders already in discussions with the EU
Commissions about what an upcoming funding programme should contain in
order to fit with the industry and the market needs. I would not be
surprised if this call for proposals is already targeted at known
stakeholders, but this could also not be the case. It is also telling that
this action looks a bit divorced from the rest of the funding line, which
is dedicated to the cloud federation. In the high level political discourse
- it's not divorced because it's part of the same narrative of reinforcing
EU resources vs non-EU, digital autonomy, sovereignty, etc. This aspect is
also reflected in the call document, which foresees an assessment of
suppliers to strictly exclude non-EU entities, i.e. non-EU entities are not
eligible for this call.

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Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

[Ana Sen]

Paper mentioned above: Consolidation in the DNS resolver market – how much,
how fast, how dangerous? by Roxana Radu
<https://www.tandfonline.com/author/Radu%2C+Roxana>and  Michael Hausding
<https://www.tandfonline.com/author/Hausding%2C+Michael>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 6:01 PM Ana Sen  wrote:

> Just to add some background that might betray some of the intent of this
> initiative. in the first mention of the DNS4EU in the Cybersecurity
> Strategy published in Dec 2020 a motivation for an EU based resolver to
> reduce dependencies on - note-  a handful of non-EU companies, is marked by
> a footnote informed by this paper
> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23738871.2020.1722191>.
> This seems like a great idea for somebody thinking about the following
> terms: how to reduce dependencies on non-EU operated infrastructure, how to
> provide an EU alternative and, add-ons, it has to comply with all the EU
> values and norms. Fast forward, the add ons develop by being added by extra
> technicalities and the CEF2 funding programme has a funding line for this.
>
> Ideally there are stakeholders already in discussions with the EU
> Commissions about what an upcoming funding programme should contain in
> order to fit with the industry and the market needs. I would not be
> surprised if this call for proposals is already targeted at known
> stakeholders, but this could also not be the case. It is also telling that
> this action looks a bit divorced from the rest of the funding line, which
> is dedicated to the cloud federation. In the high level political discourse
> - it's not divorced because it's part of the same narrative of reinforcing
> EU resources vs non-EU, digital autonomy, sovereignty, etc. This aspect is
> also reflected in the call document, which foresees an assessment of
> suppliers to strictly exclude non-EU entities, i.e. non-EU entities are not
> eligible for this call.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Anastasia Șendrea
> (Анастасия Шендря)
>


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Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

[Ana Sen]

 and that the data used will not be stored in Gcloud, AWS etc. Interesting
question, if you mean even studies or equipment used for the development of
the infrastructure shall not rely on non-EU CSPs, the text specifies that
projects must demonstrate 'that the network technologies and equipment
(including software and services) funded comply with the conditions
[...]  indicate
that
no security sensitive equipment or services deployed or used *within the
proposal *will be procured from third country suppliers - footnote According to
the EU coordinated risk assessment, the risk profiles of individual suppliers
can be assessed based on several factors. These factors include the
likelihood of interference from a third country.' A footnote further even
concedes that this kind of assessment would even apply to MNOs who rely on
third parties to perform maintenance and upgrade of networks. We are
thinking of the US providers, but the EP Rapporteur on the NIS 2 did laud
this initiative by highlighting that the DNS4EU is the only way to create a
protective shield from attacks from other world regions, giving Russia and
N Korea as examples.

Would anybody know which stakeholders have the capacity to apply for this
call?

Anastasia

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 6:09 PM Stephane Bortzmeyer 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 06:01:38PM +0100,
>  Ana Sen  wrote
>  a message of 84 lines which said:
>
> > This aspect is also reflected in the call document, which foresees
> > an assessment of suppliers to strictly exclude non-EU entities,
> > i.e. non-EU entities are not eligible for this call.
>
> Yes, I noticed that. Does it mean that the machines will not be on AWS
> or other US hoster?
>


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Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

[Ana Sen]

just an update that tomorrow the EU Commission will organise an Info Day
(like a stakeholder workshop) to cover all the open CEF2 calls for
proposals to respond to any questions interested parties might have. Cloud
federation and DNS will be third on the agenda. The info day will run from
9 AM to 4 PM CEST. Link:
https://hadea.ec.europa.eu/events/1st-connecting-europe-facility-digital-calls-info-day_en

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:27 PM Randy Bush  wrote:

> since no one else has said it this time around the tree tracking the
> woozle, ...
>
>   how does this avoid creating a nice well-defined target for: IP
>   shutdowns, censorship, saving children from abuse, terrorism, ...?
>
> randy
>
> ---
> ra...@psg.com
> `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`
> signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery
>


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Re: [dns-wg] dns-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 4

[Ana Sen]

correction: the Info day will run from 9AM to *2PM* CEST. Addition: no
registration necessary.

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> just an update that tomorrow the EU Commission will organise an Info Day
> (like a stakeholder workshop) to cover all the open CEF2 calls for
> proposals to respond to any questions interested parties might have. Cloud
> federation and DNS will be third on the agenda. The info day will run from
> 9 AM to 4 PM CEST. Link:
>
> https://hadea.ec.europa.eu/events/1st-connecting-europe-facility-digital-calls-info-day_en
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:27 PM Randy Bush  wrote:
>
> > since no one else has said it this time around the tree tracking the
> > woozle, ...
> >
> >   how does this avoid creating a nice well-defined target for: IP
> >   shutdowns, censorship, saving children from abuse, terrorism, ...?
> >
> > randy
> >
> > ---
> > ra...@psg.com
> > `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`
> > signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery
> >
>
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