Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0800 Go Linux wrote: > The shutdown sequence did not stop to allow for removal of the disk. Instead > it immediately rebooted the CD and there was no option in the menu to > restart/reboot. It was a messy shutdown from the big button which I don't > want to do again. This ungraceful exit needs to be fixed. Easy to sidestep on a reasonably modern motherboard: configure BIOS to boot first from HD, and when needed F8 at bot time to choose alternate booting source like CD/DVD or USB. Cheers, Ron. -- Poets have been mysteriously reticent on the subject of cheese. -- Edna St. Vincent Millay -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400 Ricardo Larrañaga wrote: > Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my instinctive feeling that "We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile". Only remains to prove the talibans of systemd that resistance is not futile... Cheers, Ron. -- War does not determine who is right - only who is left -- Lord Bertrand Russell -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:22:45 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Only remains to prove the talibans of systemd that resistance is not > > futile... > Is not ISIL a better analogy? Grovelling apologies, but I have difficulties distinguishing shades in that region of the spectrum... Cheers, Ron. -- The wisdom of the wise, and the experience of ages, may be preserved by quotation. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:31:54 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > I'm not a Star Trek guy. What is the exact meaning of the two > "Resistance is Futile" slides? What point is the presentation trying to > get across? The point as I understand it is that (according to the authors) Linux will be compelled to adopt systemd, without any possibility of staying out. Cheers, Ron. -- Nothing is always absolutely so. -- Theodore Sturgeon -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:22:58 -0300 hellekin wrote: > Let me help you. After all, I'm a free software talib. (see my twitter) I stand reproved, and thank you for enlightening me. Cheers, Ron. -- We are all born for love. It is the principle of existence, and its only end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:30:29 -0500 Gravis wrote: > i'm actually getting a couple of Pi 2 boards to use as thin clients. > be assured, ARMv7 packages will be made. Will Rasvuan be backward compatible with the Raspberry A ? Cheers, Ron. -- Somewhere, just out of sight, the unicorns are gathering. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:53:01 -0800 "Usspookes Lovesystemd" wrote: > FUCK YOU Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... Cheers, Ron. -- Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself. -- Lazarus Long -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:40:33 + KatolaZ wrote: > Having said that, and besides the fact > that I don't understand what you mean by a "temporary fork" (a fork is > a fork, it happens at a point in time and unless you can travel back > in the past, a fork has to be *permanent* by definition), nobody can > decide now whether in the long run Devuan will drift apart from Debian > only a bit or substantually. Fork is permanent only as long as the two branches do not later converge and rejoin. Who knows, maybe the Debian devs will realize they are missing something, and integrate the non-systemd in a later release... Cheers, Ron. -- If peace cannot be maintained with honour, it is no longer peace. -- Lord John Russell -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] three important UI features
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:11:12 + (UTC) Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > 1) In the default desktop environment for Devuan, will there be an icon or > other discoverable item the user can click to see a list of available wifi > network connections? >#1 is vital because it makes the entire knowledge-base on the web >(potentially) available for users so they can troubleshoot problems outside of >network connectivity, even if they haven't a clue what an ESSID is. It should be easy to ship Devuan with a Wicd icon on the desktop... Cheers, Ron. -- Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses. -- H. L. Mencken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:33:01 +0700 Ста Деюс wrote: > > > FUCK YOU > > Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... > Just filter out the non-human! Will do. Идите с Богом Ron. -- Silent enim leges inter arma. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] three important UI features
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100 Wolfgang Pirker wrote: > Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical > XFCE application menu. I do ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Women should be obscene and not absurd. -- Groucho Marx -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] release names
Unless we are really intent on aping Debian and xBuntu, how about not using a name at all, but only a number; maybe split in Major and Minor ? Cheers, Ron. -- The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously. --Hubert Humphrey -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:36:14 -0400 Christopher Barry wrote: > First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? With what ? Your meaning is not immediately clear... Cheers, Ron. -- The ability to speak several languages is an admirable asset, but to be able to hold your tongue in one language is absolutely priceless. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] X and GPUs
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:46:13 -0600 Gordon Haverland wrote: > Originally, the reason people bought graphics cards (or better graphics > cards) was to improve graphics performance. Which to a dinosaur like > me means X11 and X servers. With due respect, your Worship, the reason people originally bought graphic cards (Hercules IIRC) was to get some graphic display posibility, in days when the PC could only display text in MDA mode... Cheers, Ron. -- The moment the slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. He frees himself and shows the way to others. Freedom and slavery are mental states. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 00:11:55 +0200 toto titi wrote: > Nearly as complex as a Microsoft operating system, look at that : > http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/ Please, Sir, could we have a registry ? Cheers, Ron. -- No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > I would think that myself, except that RedHat is paying Poettering. ISTR that RedHat makes its money from selling support; so it makes sense for them to make Linux more complicated, and in a way that what we have learned over the years to keep our boxes running suddenly become unusable, no ? And suddenly everyone has to buy support from RH... Cheers, Ron. -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. -- James Branch Cabell -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd
On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 10:55:12 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > But to what point? Devuan was born in, OK, I'll use your > characterization, hate, of systemd. No, hate of the lack of choice. Cheers, Ron. -- Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. -- Charles Darwin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] need two lists, but don''t separate users from developers.
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:46:06 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > It should be divided between technical and nontechnical. > This will not separate users from developers, which is allegedly what > happened to Debian. Drawback: If a discussion starts on Non-Technical about modification of the Technical list (eg: moving the format to a forum) those who only read the Technical list will not know about the proposed change... Cheers, Ron. -- A la Patria hay que quererla siempre, no solo cuando ordena el calendario. -- Mafalda -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] dev-list
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800 Robert Storey wrote: > Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing > list(s) and start using the forum? Please dont; with a mailing list one can keep locally the messages that seem interesting, for later reference. If you are dead keen on a forum, at least please go for one of those that are ambivalent, and can be accessed as a forum as well as distribute all postings as emails. Cheers, Ron. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. -- Mark Twain -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:43:25 +0200 Anto wrote: > >> So, anyone know how to prevent my Wheezy box from converting itself to > >> Jessie? > > You edit /etc/apt/sources.lst and change *every* mention of > > 'stable' to 'wheezy'. > I used wheezy-backports as well until a few weeks ago. But after I > downgraded all packages to wheezy, I use only the following repositories > on my /etc/apt/source.list: > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib > deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free Mine reads as follows: # cat /etc/apt/sources.list # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.7.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20141018-13:04]/ wheezy main deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free #Added by software-properties deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free #Added by software-properties # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates contrib non-free main deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates contrib non-free main #Added by software-properties deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free #Added by software-properties deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main Am I safe from a systemd infection ? Cheers, Ron. -- We'll cross that bridge when we come back to it later. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:47:18 +0200 Anto wrote: > There are a lot more packages that depend on systemd components on > wheezy-backports. That is why I decided to downgrade all packages to > wheezy and removed wheezy-backports from my source.list. Thanks, Anto. Cheers, Ron. -- Television has brought murder back into the home - where it belongs --Alfred Hitchcock -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.
On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:03:30 -0700 "DLL Hell" wrote: > anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support > anti-systemd stance. You forgot to say that anti-systemd people also love to hurt small animals, that they claim the holocaust of 12 million killed by the Nazi did not happen, and that they are all G.W.Bush-hating Democrats... Cheers, Ron. -- Puella Rigensis ridebat Quam tigris in tergo vehebat; Exsterna profecta, Interna revecta, Risusque cum tigre manebat. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite DE: GNOME3
On Mon, 25 May 2015 11:31:36 -0400 Jaret Cantu wrote: > I am happy to report that (most of) the GNOME3 Desktop Environment has > been made to work systemd-free, in all its spiffy, OpenGL-y goodness! Which would tend to show that the Gnome devloppers had no good reason to infect their product with systemd dependencies... Cheers, Ron. -- Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship. -- Bruce Coville -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:25:42 -0300 hellekin wrote: > the official Devuan network installer should not, IMO, support this case. It > is not against users, but against manufacturers. So you want to punish users, for the sins of manufacturers ? Cheers, Ron. -- I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd eat it, and I just hate it. -- Clarence Darrow -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 20:01:24 +0100 Alberto Zuin - liste wrote: > When we have to install a distro on "special hardware" (an old dell > server?) it's always an annoying thing to use a second pc to download > the ethernet drivers, copy them to an USB key and so on. > Having them in on the same media, with the option to "opt-out" (so it's > not mandatory for the user to install it if not wanted), IMHO it's a > thing that can help the diffusion of our distro. Agree; for the sake of the purity talibans, have a warning message "I need to install a non-free driver/firmware/etc is that OK ?" that pops up if such install in found needed, and we should all be in agreement. Cheers, Ron. -- A poet who reads his verse in public may have other nasty habits. --Lazarus Long -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] procps
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:59:32 +0300 Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > Soon it is going to be systemd/linux not gnu/linux Or it is going to be systemd/linux AND gnu/linux, going their separate ways. Cheers, Ron. -- Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that money Cannot Be Eaten. -- Cree Prophecy -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:03:21 +0200 Peter Maloney wrote: > just run "vimtutor" and do what it says... it's only difficult if you > don't know the buttons. I will come down on the other side of the argument: As a Debian noob (after years of using Slack, Mandrake-Mandriva-Mageia) I was completely lost the first time I was thrown at boot-time into the recovery console, and there was no vi available... Cheers, Ron. -- If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: > traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the rescue console ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Il est plus honteux de se défier de ses amis que d'en ètre trompé. -- Duc de Larochefoucault -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 Micky Del Favero wrote: > Real men don't eat quique. No, they (bake and) eat quiche... Cheers, Ron. -- Il est plus honteux de se défier de ses amis que d'en ètre trompé. -- Duc de Larochefoucault -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:53:11 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > I agree with you that, if an editor is as small and more intuitive > and self-explanatory than Nano, it can be a good choice. But let's not > complicate the problem by envisionning too many combinations. The > proposed alternative was: > 1) have nano and vi installed and nano as the default, like in Debian > 2) have vi only I fail to see the problem: If I want to use vi, I invoque $ vi if I want to use nano, I invoque $ nano The problem only arioe when I was sent to a rescus console, and $ vi does not start anything, probably in hindsight because I have /usr on a separate partition, and vi is unavailable in such a case. And of course at the time I did not know about nano... Cheers, Ron. -- Les Américains commettront toutes les conneries imaginables; et même celles auquelles on ne pense pas. -- Général Charles de Gaulle -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ashley Madison hack
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:01:17 -0700 James Powell wrote: > It is to some extent, but remember, we now, on selected systems, have a > universal interface layer, so we don't know if it was Brute Force SSH, or > something else. > > Until the hackers say or reveal anything, we don't know, and that could be > anything from improperly updated software like Bash, to SSH, to anything. Or even getting credentials through phishing ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- ...Nessun maggior dolore, Che ricordarsi del tempo felice Nella miseria. -- Dante Alighieri -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:32:06 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > But if you frequently change languages, you rapidly find: > > = is a bad choice for assignment, because it also means equality. > = is a bad choice for equality, because it also means assignment. > > So the only sane choice is to use := for assignment and == for > equality. Forget about = altogether. Or, as in APL, use => for assignment and = for equality (all in one line ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- And it should be the law: If you use the word `paradigm' without knowing what the dictionary says it means, you go to jail. No exceptions. -- David Jones -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:20:03 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Or, as in APL, use => for assignment Sorry, read "use A (left arrow) 1 2 3 4" for assignment Cheers, Ron. -- And it should be the law: If you use the word `paradigm' without knowing what the dictionary says it means, you go to jail. No exceptions. -- David Jones -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:07:30 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > "use A (left arrow) 1 2 3 4" for assignment > > Don't understand what you mean :-) (letter A) (left arrow symbol) (one or several values or variables) > You mean like in "b+c => a" ? that would be: (letter a) (left arrow symbol) (b + c) Cheers, Ron. -- Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself. -- Lazarus Long -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks
If I wanted my users to use sudo, I would install them *ubuntu... Cheers, Ron. -- Schroedinger thought inside the box. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:57:15 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > people never intentionally further a bad cause. True, but beware that their perception of "a good cause" may be completely off the wall. The "final solution" in 1930's Germany comes to mind as an example of this... Cheers, Ron. -- There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:44:41 +1200 Daniel Reurich wrote: > Devuan may have been born out of anger at the decisions of the TC, but > already it is shaping up to be more then just Debian with sysvinit. > Vdev is certainly a step away from systemd ties, but the discussions on > the mailinglist and in the irc channels indicate a desire to make the > init system just another choice. Should the choice be offered within Devuan ? Or should we tell people who want systemd "You have the choice of installing Debian" ? Cheers, Ron. -- A team effort is a lot of people doing what I say. -- Michael Winner, British film director -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:03:00 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > The plague has come, but not in the form of a deadly bacterium, but in > the new trend of, "sacrificing function for fashion". Or the megalomaniac "We are Systemd of Borg, resistance is futile..." Cheers, Ron. -- One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:05:11 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > > I am pretty sure there are very few cases where a wifi connection needs a > > static IP config. For the vast majority of cases, the config is dynamic and > > one single id_str is enough for all; doing otherwise would bloat the > > interfaces file for the sole sake of this description. > That makes sense - provided that it's still possible to manually add entries > which fall into that other 1%. I hope so, since my home LAN is all fixed IP addresses. ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- To the make of a piper go seven years of his own learning and seven generations before. -- Neil Munro -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:28:44 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > As was remarked already, disks are no longer a problem since > partitions are uniquely identified, so that nobody cares of a random > device name. Some do, when they issue a df command, and the result is a mess of unidentifiable UUIDs. Which is why, after an install, one of the first things I do is to restore /etc/fstab to an understandable format, ridding it of all the UUID crap. And edit etc/default/grub uncommenting the line #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true then running # update-grub2 So that my / partition gets mounted as /dev/sda1 Cheers, Ron. -- There is no such thing as an ugly woman; there are only the ones who do not know how to make themselves attractive. -- Christian Dior -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Office pack
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:47:37 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Honestly, if you can run MSWord under Wine, you'll have a better word > processor than anything Linux has to offer. They all suck. Are you advising the use of software that is neither free(1) nor free(2) ? Cheers, Ron. 1 As in beer 2 As in speech -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit. -- Publius Vergilius Maro -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:31:21 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > I think the subject makes my question clear enough, but I'll provide > some background. The x86_64 machine I'm currently using as a > router/freenet node/i2p node has some components which are on the > brink of failing, the mobo seems to be one of those. So, I'm looking > at what to replace it with, and it seems like the raspberry pi 2b > should do most if not all of what I want nicely, and for a small > price. I am considering what I would run on it, and naturally raspbian > is my first choice, since I'm already very familiar with debian. Have you considered IPFire ? It is a firewall distribution, derived from IPCop, and they have a stable 2.15 release that runs on the RaspberryPI B (NOT B+) and an Alpha 2.17 that runs on the B+. http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/hardware/arm/rpi/one-b Cheers, Ron. -- les grands peuples font leur malheur en voulant faire le bonheur des petits peuples sans jamais y réussir d’ailleurs. -- Gilbert Cesbron -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:47:31 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > > Have you considered IPFire ? It is a firewall distribution, derived from > > IPCop, and they have a stable 2.15 release that runs on the RaspberryPI B > > (NOT B+) and an Alpha 2.17 that runs on the B+. > > http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/hardware/arm/rpi/one-b > No, I wasn't aware of this. I had a brief look at the above url, and > this seems to only support the first generation of the pi. Which is what I posted, but also that the Alpha release 2.17 does support the B+ Cheers, Ron. -- Everything I like is either illegal, immoral or fattening. -- Alexander Woollcott -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 19:26:50 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think, it is irritating to first having to scroll down text others > have written rather than the text the latest poster has written. If > the latest poster wants his readers to refer to ealier posts, he can > state that in his reply. That may be linked to your reluctance to bother with trimming the posts you reply to. There is no need to quote the entire original post... Cheers, Ron. -- Death to all fanatics. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 13:25:02 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > > *p = 5 > > > > is undefined behaviour. > > Not in the good old days. Anyone remember DOS' infamous B800 address? > > But of course in 2015, my response is offtopic. Abend 0C7 (or 0CB) anyone ? Cheers, Ron. -- Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. -- Richard Feynman -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:18:25 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > And once again, let me summarize: On mailing lists, the priority is > *clarity*, which is best achieved with interleave-posting. Bottom > posting is compatible with interleave posting: Top posting is not, and > throws all descendants of the top-posted reply into logical disarray. In fact bottom posting is just a (i=1) case if interleave posting. > I'm copying my reply to another list where this subject has been > discussed. Thanks for the clear exposition; let us hope you will be heard and understood... Cheers, Ron. -- Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid). -- Lazarus Long -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:13:20 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > > 2) that people generally remember what a thread is about when based on > > the subject > > Arnt, let's be consistent. You assume the author doesn't expect the > reader to need the citation. This means that the citation is left only > because the author is too lazzy to cut it. > > Hence top-post, should be replaced by no citation at all. And when > citation is usefull, please use bottom-post. In other words: TRIM YOUR POSTS? YOU LAZY BUGGERS ! Cheers, Ron. -- Windows VISTA : Viruses Infections Spyware Trojans Addware -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:02:49 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > And an advantage of mutt is that it does *not* automatically open html or > other non-plain-text files on you/ Neither does Claws-Mail, unless you have added the respective add-ons. Cheers, Ron. -- Sex without love is an empty experience, but, as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. -- Woody Allen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?
On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:42:59 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Anyway, if I stick in a thumb drive that contains partitions /dev/sdd1 > and /dev/sdd2, would the most convenient way for it to automount > be /mnt/sdd1 and /mnt/sdd2, or would it be more convenient by the ID so > it might look like /mnt/usb-Generic_Flash_Disk_0FEAEC2F-0:0-part1 > and /mnt/usb-Generic_Flash_Disk_0FEAEC2F-0:0-part2? My two-pence worth: If the partition has a label, use that and mount at /media/label (Why /mnt ?) Cheers, Ron. -- We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses. -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?
On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:22:36 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Some restrictions on the unique-lable length should be put in place > not to end up with very long combersome drive names. USB drive are commonly vfat, which limits labels to 11 characters... Cheers, Ron. -- Never get into an argument with someone who buys ink by the barrel. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:44:36 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > This is the result of the Debian policy of installing a maximum of > packages because it's free. I'm not saying this against libreoffice; I > use it sometimes but not on all hosts. I bet more than half the packages > installed in Debian are never used and the user even ignores what > they're for. The result is a longer installation process and time wasted > in upgrading packages one never uses A point to keep in mind is that, especially in the beginning, people coming to Devuan will be more geek-like than the average Debian user, and will be know how to find and install whatever package they need which is not installed by default. So I would suggest we keep the default install as small as possible. And since I dont have any holidays, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all. Ron. -- Selre bið æghwæe þæt he hsi freond wrece, þonne he fella murne. -- Beowulf -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 06:59:31 -0500 Mitt Green wrote: > And also I'd go with vim-tiny as it is really close to the original and > without nano by default. And make sure it is in /sbin, so it is accessible when the boot process aborts, and /usr is not mounted ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Selre bið æghwæe þæt he hsi freond wrece, þonne he fella murne. -- Beowulf -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish! > > >IMHO, YMMV etc. > Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :) Like you, Altor, I prefer PCManfm, and moreover think Thunar to be a piece of excrement... Cheers, Ron. -- There never was a good war or a bad peace. -- B. Franklin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:32:34 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Except for Thunar's hit and miss handling of media like thumb drives > and CDs, do you have anything against it? I have forgotten the details, but I do remember that when I came to Debian from another distribution that used PCManfm as default, Thunar annoyed me so much that I removed it completely. It may have had to do with thunar refusing to recognize mime-types. So the solution was: # rm /usr/bin/thunar && ln -s /usr/bin/pcmanfm /usr/bin/thunar Cheers, Ron. -- I shall pass through this world but once. Any good therefore that I can do, let me do now, For I shall not pass this way again. -- Stephen Grellet -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:30:16 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > > user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xinitrc > > I already noticed this in your upgrade guide – and especially then it's not > unlikely to break things when using this kind of redirection, as a .xinitrc > might already exist. Regarding the unexperienced audience you appear to > target with your guides, I think there should be at least a footnote that > informs about this risk and perhaps also mentions that this is called a > "redirection", as a starting point for a related websearch. Simple enough to change this into: user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc Cheers, Ron. -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:50:46 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > Sorry, i'm sending messages from the future once again. In that case, could you let us know what name was finally chosen ? ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Kilroe hic erat! -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Easynetaid is for now netman's new name
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 14:55:27 + hellekin wrote: > I'd like to suggest *netbeam*, also callable by `beammeup` or `beam [me] > up [Scotty]` I dont want to be beamed "up Scotty" ... Cheers, Ron. -- As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong ? -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Digital camera management borked
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 20:50:35 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > I am having trouble finding a way to browse thumbnails of the photos on my > old canon camera. gtkam couldn't access the camera. I installed my old > favorite f-spot from wheezy (apparently not available in jessie), but it > couldn't even see the camera. The only way I have been able to access the > camera is through the thunar file manager at this address (which is in need > of some translation): Did you try gThumb ? Cheers, Ron. -- The plural of "anecdote" is not "data". -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:12:26 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > but yes, its definitely not polite nor useful to obfuscate code that > people uses. No need to obfuscate when you program in Iverson's APL ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- There are three kinds of men: Those that learn by reading, The few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:04:24 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 07:52:59AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Same problem as you: accents aren't available on En keyboards (or by > > tricks I ignore). I use to pick them from various documents with the mouse - > > or use a Fr keyboard. > > Then you want a Compose key. On real keyboards, it's best to bind it to a > totally unused thing like Menu, on laptops, a key combination (I think one > is bound by default, can't check right now as virtualbox is kaput, too lazy > to install a new one in qemu). There's even a bunch of implementations for > Windows, one included in putty. > > Compose key includes, among others, combinations for all the accents/ > umlauts/etc which don't require memorization: you press Compose then the > base letter then the given decoration: > * Compose, a, ',' for ą > * Compose, o, '"' for ö > * Compose, e, "'" for é > * Compose, a, '*' for å (ok, * is a bit unobvious) > * Compose, o, '/' for ø > * Compose, 1, 2 for ½ > and so on. No need to use copy&paste for decorated latin characters. Another possibility which I use to get ₲, €, ß, and (Spanish) acute accented vowels on my French keyboard is to add the following to .bashrc: xmodmap -e "keycode 66 =" xmodmap -e "keycode 24 = a A a A aacute adiaeresis acircumflex adiaeresis a A acircumflex adiaeresis a A" xmodmap -e "keycode 42 = g G g G U20B2 AE ae" xmodmap -e "keycode 57 = n N n N U00F1 N notsign N n N notsign N" xmodmap -e "keycode 31 = i I i I iacute idiaeresis icircumflex idiaeresis i I icircumflex idiaeresis i I" xmodmap -e "keycode 32 = o O o O oacute odiaeresis ocircumflex odiaeresis o O ocircumflex odiaeresis o O" xmodmap -e "keycode 39 = s S s S U00DF Oslash oslash Oslash s S oslash Oslash s S oslash Oslash" then those letters I need come pressing AltGr and the relevant key. Cheers, Ron. -- -And how do you know he is the King ? -He is the only one who is not covered in shit. -- Monty Python, the Holy Grail -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:14:03 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Another possibility which I use to get ₲, €, ß, and (Spanish) acute accented > vowels on my French keyboard is to add the following to .bashrc: > > xmodmap -e "keycode 66 =" > xmodmap -e "keycode 24 = a A a A aacute adiaeresis acircumflex adiaeresis a A > acircumflex adiaeresis a A" > xmodmap -e "keycode 42 = g G g G U20B2 AE ae" > xmodmap -e "keycode 57 = n N n N U00F1 N notsign N n N notsign N" > xmodmap -e "keycode 31 = i I i I iacute idiaeresis icircumflex idiaeresis i > I icircumflex idiaeresis i I" > xmodmap -e "keycode 32 = o O o O oacute odiaeresis ocircumflex odiaeresis o > O ocircumflex odiaeresis o O" > xmodmap -e "keycode 39 = s S s S U00DF Oslash oslash Oslash s S oslash Oslash > s S oslash Oslash" > > then those letters I need come pressing AltGr and the relevant key. PS The first line above is to kill the Caps Lock key. Cheers, Ron. -- -And how do you know he is the King ? -He is the only one who is not covered in shit. -- Monty Python, the Holy Grail -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 00:36:22 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote: > Personally on debian i was using from date > > APT:Install-Recommends "0"; > APT:Install-Suggests "0"; > > in all my install apt.conf. > > I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required > but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded > envs, but also on my desktop. > > What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? I would be all in favour; hoping to limit the bloat, I have had for years # cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/40nosuggestrecommends Apt::Install-Suggests false; Apt::Install-Recommends false; Cheers, Ron. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:50:53 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > The banks - they have enormous amounts of "legacy" code which isn't broken > and so isn't in need of fixing. Plus, the risks to them of replacing it is > quite high. The insurance company I worked for in France had umpteen million lines of Cobol in daily use, that needed maintaining and upgrading. The real fun came in the run up to Y2K, when it was discovered some programs still in use, for which we only had the compiled executables, nobody could find the sources... ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:39 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > Not sure, but could you try to also mount the disk with the noatime > > option. I don't know if ro implies noatime. > > I remember an article in german "Linuxmagazin" ~ 10 Jears ago where it said > that the stock kernel drivers for all journaling file systems on linux are > broken for forensic analysis due to the fact that these drivers always update > the journal despite the filesystem mounted read only. Looks like that > statement is still true. > > The workaround given that time was to make a image of the whole device, make > that image immutable, and mount the partions of that image. Would mounting as ext2 (non journaling) help in that case ? Cheers, Ron. -- Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev - android
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:59:29 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Have things changed? ISTR that they changed between Android 4 and Android 5; my 4 tablet mounted directly, while for my daughter's 5 phone I had to install some packages. Cheers, Ron. -- When men are pure, laws are useless; when men are corrupt, laws are broken. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:33:32 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Wrong. This is a misconception. The Internet is also subject to laws. > Enough said. In trying to suppress what has been posted, you will be as successful as if you were to try to catch a fart you let go, and paint it green. All those postings are replicated in umpteen archives all over the planet, many of those beyond the reach of EU (or other) laws. Which is a Good Thing, since it prevents tin-pot dictators, religious fanatics, or deluded individuals, from censoring what is posted, and available to all, on the Internet. Cheers, Ron. -- Caelum, non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt. -- Horace -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:30:58 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > Devuan was born with the intention of removing the artificial limits > systemd is imposing users. Proprietary software is even worse in restricting > people's choice. If your vision of Devuan is something like Ubuntu, with > every kind of software ditched-in just for the sake of attracting > unsuspecting victims into it's snares, I think you'd better direct your > efforts into Ubuntu of like Gnome or Unity based distribution. On the other hand, by making it impossible to install without having to go and hunt firmwares under the excuse that they are not open source, open-source talibans are doing exactly what they condemn in the systemd talibans: both take away from the user his liberty of choice. Cheers, Ron. -- L'homme ne peut compter que sur lui-même. Et encore, pas beaucoup. -- Tristan Bernard -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:28:13 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > OK fine, just have this yes or no question early in the install: > > = > Are you willing to have the install try non-free drivers and firmware > for your network, video, keyboard and mouse if free drivers and > firmware aren't available or don't work? (Y/N): > = > > You'll say no, and the first attempt so will I. But if it doesn't work > with free-only, I'll try yes. Different strokes. You'll never get > nonfree software, and I'll have maximal chance of getting an > installation running. Ready to bet the open-source talibans will find all kinds of excuses not to do this. They clam to be for freedom of choice, but some are as bad as the systemd people Cheers, Ron. -- The easiest thing of all is to deceive one's self; for what a man wishes he generally believes to be true. -- Demosthenes -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:45:32 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > The reason patents were introduced for was getting more money for the king. No, they were introduced to guarantee the inventor the exclusivity of his invention for a certain time, so he alone could profit from it during that time. Introduced to make research economically viable. Cheers, Ron. -- Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord ist ein starkes Trostmittel: Mit ihm kommt man gut über manche böse Nacht hinweg. -- Friedrich Nietsche -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:55:44 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Wifi is always problematic. Always. NetworkManager, Wicd, and even the > wpa_* all seem to fail at just the wrong time. If I were Devuan, I'd > create a wifi module that: > > 1) Displays the wifi signals in signal strength order > > 2) Asks which you want, THAT YOU HAVE A PASSWORD FOR!!! > > 3) Ask for the password twice,verify they match > > 4) Ask for default router > a) With very helpful prompts and help Inquire about fixed IP, and let user enter the parameters > 5) Ask if they'd like default dns and 8844 > a) If not, suggest the default router > > 6) Run acquired passphrase through wpa_passphrase >> wpa_supplicant.conf > > 7) By hook or by crook, get a DHCP lease > a) If necessary, put DHCP server on this computer > > 8) Verify lookup of devuan.org > a) If not, run some intelligent diagnostic software Cheers, Ron. -- Any man who hates dogs and babies can't be all bad. -- Leo Rosten, on W.C. Fields -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:04:07 +0100 Jochen Fahrner wrote: > The next step after "no systemd" should be "no gnome". Move from Gtk to Qt ? Cheers, Ron. -- You're only young once, but you can be immature forever. -- Larry Andersen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Browsers
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > But firefox sometimes get crazy slow -- so slow I get no feedbak > whether I've properly clicked on a menu item or icon or some > such. I've recently discovereed that killall firfox-esr will kill it, > and when I restart it offers to reestablish all ite tabs it had > before, and after that procedure it's usable again. Memory leak > perhaps? I found that at times, when some sites like Facebook are opened in a tab, Firefox sometimes uses up 100% of cpu as reported by htop... Cheers, Ron. -- The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else. --George Bernard Shaw -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 16:00:56 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > > > > On a happier note I have just bought another motorbike, a 1967 LE > > > > Velocette and it is much more fun than anything to do with > > > > software! > > > > > > I understand they have a systemd mod for that bike so that when the > > > chain gets dry, it takes two tries to get it started. > > That will never happen ;-) > > It's shaft drive. > Apparently you haven't seen the systemd model. The drive shaft twirl a > planetary gear system, which drives a pair of rubber belts that > transfer power to the transmission, which is mounted on the front fork. > The transmission generates electricity for the motor, with gear ratios > achieved by coil windings. The drive shifts gears by switching the > sockets into which the windings are plugged: This technology is called > socket activation. The transmission drives the chain, which drives the > front wheel. A chain-driven front-wheel-drive noddy bike ? The mind boggles... Cheers, Ron. -- Nous avons tous assez de force pour supporter les maux d'autrui. -- Duc de Larochefoucault -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:01:53 -0600 (CST) ja...@beau.org wrote: > Another reason for those who have relatively little to hide - to help > provide "herd immunity" for those who actually have legitimate reasons to > hide hard. > > The problem with having a nice brightly colored "TOR" icon on your iPhone > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for > identifying people of interest. Is it that difficult to change the icon, and the displayed app name ? Cheers, Ron. -- Measure twice, cut once. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:55:27 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I > > found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: > > > > Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" > > The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, not just uBlock. > > They say they are not an ad blocker, but they block ads and other bad > stuff by default -- is that available for Midori? If it is, go with > that in place of Adblock (any variant). Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? Cheers, Ron. -- Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] defective RAID
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:17:11 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > If I were to manage to reconnect the absent drive, how would the > boot-time RAID assembly work? (/boot is on the RAID). Would it be > able to figure out which of the two drives is up-to-date, and > therefore which one to consider defective and not use? > > Do I need to wipe the missing drive completely before I connect it? > (I have another machine to do this on, using a USB-to-SATA interface). Picked up from somewhere, and used a couple times already. Long ! Cheers, Ron. -- One of the sanest, surest and most generous joys of life comes from being happy over the good fortune of others. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- How To Replace The HDD in a RAID 1 Array 1 Preliminary Note In this example I have two hard drives, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, with the partitions /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as well as /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 make up the RAID1 array /dev/md0. /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 make up the RAID1 array /dev/md1. /dev/sda1 + /dev/sdb1 = /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 + /dev/sdb2 = /dev/md1 /dev/sdb has failed, and we want to replace it. 2 How Do I Tell If A Hard Disk Has Failed? If a disk has failed, you will probably find a lot of error messages in the log files, e.g. /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog. You can also run cat /proc/mdstat and instead of the string [UU] you will see [U_] if you have a degraded RAID1 array. 3 Removing The Failed Disk To remove /dev/sdb, we will mark /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 as failed and remove them from their respective RAID arrays (/dev/md0 and /dev/md1). First we mark /dev/sdb1 as failed: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdb1 The output of cat /proc/mdstat should look like this: server1:~# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid5] [raid4] [raid6] [raid10] md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[2](F) 24418688 blocks [2/1] [U_] md1 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1] 24418688 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: Then we remove /dev/sdb1 from /dev/md0: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdb1 The output should be like this: server1:~# mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdb1 mdadm: hot removed /dev/sdb1 And cat /proc/mdstat should show this: server1:~# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid5] [raid4] [raid6] [raid10] md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] 24418688 blocks [2/1] [U_] md1 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1] 24418688 blocks [2/2] [UU] unused devices: Now we do the same steps again for /dev/sdb2 (which is part of /dev/md1): Then power down the system: shutdown -h now and replace the old /dev/sdb hard drive with a new one (it must have at least the same size as the old one if it's only a few MB smaller than the old one then rebuilding the arrays will fail). 4 Adding The New Hard Disk After you have changed the hard disk /dev/sdb, boot the system. The first thing we must do now is to create the exact same partitioning as on /dev/sda. We can do this with the command sgdisk from the gdisk package. If you havent installed gdisk yet, run this command to install it on Debian and Ubuntu: apt-get install gdisk The next step is optional but recomended. To ensure that you have a backup of the partition scheme, you can use sgdisk to write the partition schemes of both disks into a file. I will store the backup in the /root folder. sgdisk --backup=/root/sda.partitiontable /dev/sda sgdisk --backup=/root/sdb.partitiontable /dev/sdb In case of a failure you can restore the partition tables with the --load-backup option of the sgdisk command. Now copy the partition scheme from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb run: sgdisk -R /dev/sdb /dev/sda afterwards, you have to randomize the GUID on the new hard disk to ensure that they are unique sgdisk -G /dev/sdb You can run sgdisk -p /dev/sda sgdisk -p /dev/sdb to check if both hard drives have the same partitioning now. Next we add /dev/sdb1 to /dev/md0 and /dev/sdb2 to /dev/md1: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 server1:~# mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 mdadm: re-added /dev/sdb1 mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdb2 server1:~# mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdb2 mdadm: re-added /dev/sdb2 Now both arays (/dev/md0 and /dev/md1) will be synchronized. Run cat /proc/mdstat to see when it's finished. During the synchronization the output will look like this: cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid5] [raid4] [raid6] [raid10] md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] 24418688 blocks [2/1] [U_] [=>...] recovery = 9.9% (2423168/24418688) finish=2.8
[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?
ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and cannot find where to download it ;-3( Does it still exist ? Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz Would it run on the RP-2 ? Cheers, Ron. -- Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. -- Richard Feynman -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:36:13 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz > > > > > Would it run on the RP-2 ? > Nope, since that one is an arm64 image. For the rpi2 you should use: > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_armhf_raspi2.img.xz > which is an armhf image. Otherwise, the armel image for rpi1: > devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_armel_raspi1.img.xz > should work on all of them, but with soft FP. Ta. Cheers, Ron. -- You can't fall off the floor. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:32:32 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to be that > Devuan is about choice. Therefore, it should make available (1) the > choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use systemd. The choice exists already: the user can either use systemd running Debian, or not use it running Devuan. Cheers, Ron. -- When a woman marries again it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored his first wife. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:04:57 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to be > > > that Devuan is about choice. Therefore, it should make available > > > (1) the choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use > > > systemd. > > > > The choice exists already: the user can either use systemd running > > Debian, or not use it running Devuan. > > ..what devuan does not support, is the ability to offer a newbie > the option to "try another init system" without having to reinstall > everything after finding pain with systemd onboard. Given that systemd is no longer (if it ever was) an init system, but an operating system. Which rules out switching to or from systemd without a complete reinstall. Anyroads all this is moot until Devuan becomes a mainstream distribution, instead of being the domain of us geeks. Cheers, Ron. -- Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. -- H. L. Mencken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:32:00 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > > Why should a car driver care if the traffic light has the red or the > > green light turned on? > > Why should a sysadmin care if the OS he uses runs systemd or not? > > > > This is a totally wrong assumption. Being a sysadmin is all about > setting and implementing *policies*. And the choice between systemd or > anything else is exactly a matter of policy. So yes, a sysadmin *must* > care if the OS he/she uses runs systemd or anything else. He should care, as he has to know whether it is a unix/linux system or a systemd system, the two being rather different in their management... Cheers, Ron. -- Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may diet. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..timelessness and pricelessness, was: tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:36:02 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ... I was also been ironic on Aspo, as many times he can > > only counter another person's ideas asking "What if > > cannot be trusted?", as if this constitutes a valid argument against > > ..."anything new that cannot fail", such as airport security, > airliner safety, anti-missile defense, ballot machines, etc... > > ..if you wanna push some new kinda bling, you must be able to > credibly answer such timeless and priceless questions... ;o) And never forget that any complex system will work most of the time in partial-failure mode... Cheers, Ron. -- Tout homme bien portant peut se passer de manger pendant deux jours - de poésie, jamais. -- Charles Baudelaire -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..timelessness and pricelessness, was: tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:12:07 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > >> ... I was also been ironic on Aspo, as many times he can > >> only counter another person's ideas asking "What if > >> cannot be trusted?", as if this constitutes a valid argument against > > ..."anything new that cannot fail", such as airport security, > > airliner safety, anti-missile defense, ballot machines, etc... > > ..if you wanna push some new kinda bling, you must be able to > > credibly answer such timeless and priceless questions... ;o) > These are serious concerns which involve various aspects of security. > If you need a response of your system within a given delay and > with high security, then I think you should avoid any OS at all and > rather program FPGAs. > In several cases you mentionned, like ballot, crashing the system > is not a big deal; which matters is to not deliver a wrong result. > Better crash than give a wrong result. In other words, always fail safe. Cheers, Ron. -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A nice write-up.
www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ Cheers, Ron. -- It is only by reducing people of flesh and blood to a mere idea that one can ignore the will of the majority in the name of democracy and institute a dictatorship in the name of freedom. -- Richard Pipes -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:22:09 +0200 Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Hmmh... right now I'm having some health issues, and can only work at > rather degraded level of efficiency... Do you have any links where I can > read about it, which explain that? Only if it's not too much of a hassle > for you... https://creativecommons.org/ Cheers, Ron. -- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:11:11 +0200 richard lucassen wrote: > > My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute. > > We live in an idiocracy nowadays. Given there are 135 million births a year worldwide, out of which 2.2% are more than 2 standard deviations away from the mean, this gives us 5.6 idiots born every minute ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] 403 forbidden on installer-iso
On Tue, 23 May 2017 15:06:54 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > I'm getting a "403 Forbidden" message on: > <https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/> > > Can anyone else confirm this? Thanks. Getting the same. Cheers, Ron. -- Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 14:11:17 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > > Personally, I find that bash makes a fabulous file manager, along with > > its friends find, awk, sed, cut, etc. > > Oh, and, just in case some other program with DE disease (like k3b) > decides to move a file there when you say to delete it): > > $ chmod 000 ~/.local/share/Trash > > (If that doesn't work, get a bigger hammer and set it immutable. ;-> ) Or ln to /dev/null Cheers, Ron. -- What really flatters a man is that you think him worth flattering. -- George Bernard Shaw -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:48:32 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On Xfce here, when I right click on a file/directory, I have two > options: Move to Trash and Delete. In Pcmanfm I have the option, in Edit => Preferences which lets me choose whether Delete sends to Trash, or delete. Cheers, Ron. -- If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:17:05 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > The only one I have an idea what it's for is sane-utils. Presumably > access to scanners. I believe that one is for accessing the scanner over a network. Cheers, Ron. -- If I had better tools, I could more effectively demonstrate my total incompetence. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 23:04:13 +0200 info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > Nice if you missed it otherwise annoying. Thunar puts deleted files > there, at least on my system with XFCE4 it does. One more reason to drop Thunar and use Pcmanfm ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- If I had better tools, I could more effectively demonstrate my total incompetence. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:25:59 + Bruce Perens wrote: > Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I > don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off > the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is > built to protect your choices, not to rule some of them out for political > rather than technical causes. The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome without having installed systemd ?" Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:21:17 + rain...@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de wrote: > 08/15 is a common german expression for "plain vanilla". Reference to the 08/15 rifle still in use during the second world war; re-read Hans Hellmut Kirst. Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:32:52 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > 08/15 is a common german expression for "plain vanilla". > Reference to the 08/15 rifle still in use during the second world war; > re-read Hans Hellmut Kirst. Sorry, machine gun, not rifle. Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:07:46 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float > by. > - Sun Tzu I'm afraid he never wrote that: See for instance https://shibumimanagementcanada.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/invented-sun-tzu-art-of-war-quotes/ Cheers, Ron. -- An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out. -- Will Rogers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 10:25:20 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > fate accompli "Fate" is very apposite in the circumstance Cheers, Ron. -- It is a typically Hohenzollern idea to believe that it is a crime for a country to defend itself after its army has been destroyed. -- Karl Marx -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 18:36:40 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > > is very apposite in the circumstance > One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! > :-) And me thinking it was purposefully done ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations ? -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:52:42 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > (Apologies to any Latinists for the .signature block. It's a sly > reference to current domestic affairs designed to be in good enough > dog-Latin that it can be deciphered by English-speakers. Unfortunately, > the same sentiment in _good_ Latin is opaque to my countrymen who aren't > Latin-proficient, which would impair the joke.) Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... ;-3) Ave atque vale, Ron. -- -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:59:35 + Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Can't trust modern translations of Bible, actually so much undeserving > of trust that they verge on disgusting... yet modern translations often are from better ancient texts, which helps in the accuracy. Sad to say, but why would you read a translation into Latin when you can read one int French or English ? Cheers, Ron. -- News is the mother of opinion, opinion the cause of mass-delusion, delusion the source of war. -- Dr Jean-Jacques Vomact -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
