Re: [DNG] Install Daedalus

2022-02-09 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Ronnquist via Dng" 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2022 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Install Daedalus



On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:39:51 -0500
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia"  wrote:


When installing the
devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220207_amd64_server.iso file do I get a
graphical linux installation or only console?


All modern Devuan installer ISOs use the same "text mode" installer. It
lets you install a graphical desktop, though only the "desktop" ISO and
the complementary pool-only ISOs hold those packages for off-line
installation. Otherwise it requires network for that.



I recently installed an older version and got a non-graphical
installation as a result, also it didn't allow me to mount an NTFS
partition during the installation, only using the installation disk
since I don't have Internet access on the PC where I am going to
mount it


Did you try the mount.ntfs command? There does seem to be an issue with
using "mount -t ntfs" but the direct command should be fine.


No I didn't try mount.ntfs, I'll try it this afternoon when I get home



Ralph.



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Re: [DNG] vdev in chimaera

2022-02-09 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 08/02/2022 à 01:45, aitor a écrit :

Hi Didier,
On 7/2/22 19:21, Didier Kryn wrote:

If you
remove the "allow-hotplug" and "auto" stanzas, ifup -a will just do
nothing, hence no wait. Therefore the solution is to install ifplugd or
netplug, configure it, and eliminate the "allow-hotplug" stanzas from
/etc/network/interfaces.

I've found a workaround replacing in the init script:
if ifup -a $exclusions $verbose && ifup_hotplug $exclusions $verbose
then
  log_action_end_msg $?
else
  log_action_end_msg $?
fi
with this:
if [ $(runlevel) != "unknown" ] || ! [ -z $(grep '^id:1:initdefault:$' 
/etc/inittab) ]; then
   if ifup -a $exclusions $verbose && ifup_hotplug $exclusions $verbose
   then
     log_action_end_msg $?
   else
     log_action_end_msg $?
   fi
fi
which means: "skip these lines if the boot process still has not switched to 
the default runlevel,
unless it is single user". The following script located in /etc/boot.d:
#!/bin/sh -e
#
# networking-restart
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.

if test -x /etc/init.d/networking ; then
     service networking restart
fi
will restart the service and from this moment, both "auto " and "allow-hotplug 
" will take effect.
This way, the delay will occur only in the case of a single user default 
runlevel, which is often not the case.

     IIUC this means that network startup is deferred. Does it mean 
starting ntp, ssh and/or web services before the network is available? 
Doesn't this method defeat the whole purpose of the dependencies 
inserted as comments in the headers of the RC scripts? I ask this 
because I'm not sure of my understanding of the whole mechanism. 
Wouldn't it be cleaner to change the priorities?


     Clearly there is a wrong assignment of priorities in the startup: 
there is no reason that the login prompt and all the applications which 
do not depend on the network have to wait until the network startup 
times out. AFAIU your method is a workaround for this misconfiguration. 
But the timeout is still there before you can use the network, while in 
most cases, it should not. And, if you haven't a server like ifupdown or 
netplug, you're going to need to restart networking everytime you 
plug/unplug your Ethernet cable.


 The ifupdown API, driven by the configuration of 
/etc/network/interfaces is well suited for static network configuration; 
it offers a lot of possibilities to the admin, eg bonding. The addition 
of the stanza "inet dhcp" has made it usable with dynamic network 
configuration, and the addition of the stanza "allow-hotplug" in 
replacement of "auto" has made it usable with hotplug network interfaces 
such as USB-Ethernet or USB-WIFI adapters.


 But this does not respond to the cases where one or more 
interfaces are not *always* connected, in particular the case of laptops 
which have one single connection to the network, *alternatively* through 
Wifi and through Ethernet. In this case, the connection is done through 
Ethernet when the Ethernet cable is connected and through Wifi otherwise 
and it is a nonsense to try to bring eth0 up when the Ethernet cable is 
not plugged in. Instead, eth0 must be brought respectively up and down 
when the cable is connected and disconnected, and, simultaneously wlan0 
must be brought down and up.


 I don't know any stanza of the interfaces file which might achieve 
that because there is no feature such as the detection of the Ethernet 
carrier in ifupdown - ifupdown is not a server. This functionality can 
be provided by ifplugd, and AFAIK by netplug. These two servers detect 
changes in the presence of the Ethernet carrier and make use of the 
ifupdown API to bring the interfaces up and down. In this situation, 
stanzas like "auto" and "allow-hotplug" are nothing but nuisances.


 It would be very nice if the installer could provide a dialog to 
configure this, but it does not look like an easy job. Maybe the user 
could be directed to some documentation.



--     Didier


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Re: [DNG] Install Daedalus

2022-02-09 Thread Radisson via Dng



Am 08.02.22 um 17:39 schrieb Ismael L. Donis Garcia:

When installing the devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220207_amd64_server.iso file 
do I get a graphical linux installation or only console?

I recently installed an older version and got a non-graphical installation as a 
result, also it didn't allow me to mount an NTFS partition during the 
installation, only using the installation disk since I don't have Internet 
access on the PC where I am going to mount it



The server installation is ascii only to say so.
This is the minimum required, from here you can
install what you need.

That is  my strategy, at least.




Best Regards
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Ismael
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Web Site: http://www.sisconge.byethost15.com/
 
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Re: [DNG] vdev in chimaera

2022-02-09 Thread aitor

Hi Didier,

On 9/2/22 16:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
And, if you haven't a server like ifupdown or netplug, you're going to 
need to restart networking everytime you plug/unplug your Ethernet cable.


Well, you mean *ifplugd* or netplug..., I understand.

Try with "auto" and "allow-hotplug" together, both at once. That is:

auto eth0
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

With this configuration, plug/unplug events will be automatically detected.

I'll answerin detail to the rest of your post shortly, when I have time.

Cheers,

Aitor.




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