Re: [DNG] End of free open source software?
On Sun, 9 May 2021 14:27:24 +0200, Dr. wrote in message <202105091427.24515.off...@klepp.biz>: > Anno domini 2021 Sun, 9 May 11:57:59 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen scripsit: > > On Sun, 9 May 2021 09:18:47 +0200, Dr. wrote in message > > <202105090918.47488.off...@klepp.biz>: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sun, 9 May 08:33:05 +0200 > > > tito via Dng scripsit: > > > > Hi to all, > > > > today while reading online my selection of international > > > > newspapers on the german www. faz.net I've found this little > > > > article which made my antennas vibrate, link is: > > > > > > > > https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/reform-der-produkthaftung-verbraucher-sollen-vor-schaeden-durch-softwarefehler-geschuetzt-werden-17330921.html > > > > > > > > > > Thats just bullshit bingo. > > > > ..so was The Donald and der Adolf. The good news here is, today's > > Germans have the experience and therefore much more wisdom to deal > > with such bullshit bingo to keep it from repeating itself, and to > > aim it somewhere useful and to fire up the French etc on it. > > Keep your eyes open. > > Sorry, the whole EU is going the totalitarian road nowadays - just to ..you read my "Germans" as "EUropeans"? ;o) I hear you, I voted "No!" on joining the EU in 1994 after watching Norw. premier Gro Harlem Brundtland telling us the Russians were somehow "so dangerous we have to join the EU" after shooting down the Russian democracy on take-off, turning down newly elected President Boris Yeltsin's plea for help with their first ever free parliament election, by telling him "to instead make use of the Supreme Soviet" on his visit in 1991, either to protect a very promising future high ranking secret agent, or to save her own ass. ..one thing is seeing things, the second thing is understanding what you see, the third thing is believing your own understanding of what you saw, the fourth thing is understanding what sort of country you live in... ;o) > name Kurz, Orban, Zensursula, CDU/CSD etc., all elected in a vote and > misuse their power to create totalitarian systems. That quoting from > FAZ is targeting $$$ companies, not FOSS. And that's the reason, why > this is just "hot air" - the said politian is from CDU which freely > translates to "not interested in citicens". ..like I said, keep your eyes open. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please don't imply this kind of equality: was Re: End of free open source software?
On Mon, 10 May 2021 14:44:49 -0400, Steve wrote in message <2021051019.6e43f...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Lars Noodén via Dng said on Sun, 9 May 2021 13:52:05 +0300 > > >On 5/9/21 12:57 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >> On Sun, 9 May 2021 09:18:47 +0200, Dr. wrote in message > >> <202105090918.47488.off...@klepp.biz>: > > >>> Thats just bullshit bingo. > >> > >> ..so was The Donald and der Adolf. > > The preceding sentence was written by a guy I've /dev/nulled since > 2014, so I'm not going to try to convince him, but I'd like to appeal > to anyone else who might ever try to imply an equivalence between > hitler and almost anyone else, including donald trump. > > I despise trump. Anyone on Facebook knows how much: My facebook page > is public. I've spent hundreds of hours campaigning against him, and > hundreds of dollars in campaign contributions to oust him and his > cronies from office, and I support his imprisonment for his crimes. > He's responsible for the deaths of 400,000 to 500,000 Americans, give > or take. > > But trump doesn't rise to hitler's criminality. He didn't build death > camps. Although trump's victims tended to be from certain racial "out > groups", he didn't specifically target pick and choose members of > those groups for extermination. Although 500,000 is a substantial > number, enough to call it a genocide if applied directly to certain > groups, 500,000 is a lot smaller than 11,000,000. ..aye. And it's 13,518,250, if you accept the lowest estimate on der Adolf. Yes, it _can_ be argued "Trump was stopped in time.", if you accept the idea that half a million dead is a silly prank. Or 25,495,692+. Adolf Hitler is bad, but not the worst genocider in human history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll#List_of_political_leaders_and_regimes_by_death_toll ..having watched well over 200 million die from pollusion in water, air, and in the food supply, starvation, the absence of clean affordable heat and energy and the climate collapsing since 1998 when the Norwegian government (or Statoil/"Equinor"?) stopped me from making a business out of my own thermochemical gasification technology that should have landed me about 15% of the global energy market making cheap clean water, heat, electricity and carbon for terra preta type syntetic farmland soils out of common municipal solid etc waste, and cut about a 1/3 of carbon emmissions by outcompeting fossil fuels on price alone, I respectfully disagree Adolf Hitler is that much worse than Donald J. Trump, they are both genociders under both International and American Law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091 http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide ..at least 6 refuge children died in Trump's border camps, and it only takes one death to convict him and his regime for genocide under 18 U.S. Code § 1091(b)(1) or (2). > You might ask why I write all this. 2 reasons: > > 1) I'm Jewish > 2) I read history books ..did you know Holocoust true start was the 1927 "Sigøinerparagraf" put into law by the Norw. parliament? > When *anybody*, with the possible exception of stalin and pol pot, is > compared to hitler, it normalizes hitler's atrocities. My ex > girlfriend once showed me her family tree, in book form. Many, many > pages were crossed out, killed by hitler. > > So please: Don't write or say things that makes an equivalency between > trump and hitler. They're both very bad, but one is much, much worse. ..as stated above, I respectfully disagree. > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the > Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade borked with eudev
On 11/5/21 2:36 pm, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 11/05/2021 à 06:57, Brad Campbell via Dng a écrit :
G'day all,
I use a self-compiled kernel (v5.10) at the moment.
An Ascii to Beowulf upgrade died early on because the eudev preinst
script isn't correctly parsing /proc/kallsyms.
Preparing to unpack .../25-eudev_3.2.9-8~beowulf1_amd64.deb ...
Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features in
the running kernel:
- inotify(2) (CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER)
- signalfd(2) (CONFIG_SIGNALFD)
- accept4(2)
- open_by_handle_at(2) (CONFIG_FHANDLE)
- timerfd_create(2) (CONFIG_TIMERFD)
- epoll_create(2) (CONFIG_EPOLL)
dpkg: error processing archive
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-PJCPSM/25-eudev_3.2.9-8~beowulf1_amd64.deb
(--unpack):
new eudev package pre-installation script subprocess returned error
exit status 1
root@bkmac:/tmp/temp# needed_symbols='inotify_init signalfd accept4
open_by_handle_at timerfd_create epoll_create'
root@bkmac:/tmp/temp# for symbol in $needed_symbols; do echo $symbol ;
egrep "^[a-fA-F0-9]+ T \.?sys_${symbol}$" /proc/kallsyms ; done
inotify_init
signalfd
accept4
open_by_handle_at
timerfd_create
epoll_create
root@bkmac:/tmp/temp# for symbol in $needed_symbols; do echo $symbol ;
egrep "^[a-fA-F0-9]+ T __x64.sys_${symbol}$" /proc/kallsyms ; done
inotify_init
811ac000 T __x64_sys_inotify_init
signalfd
811af380 T __x64_sys_signalfd
accept4
813df4a0 T __x64_sys_accept4
open_by_handle_at
811d3410 T __x64_sys_open_by_handle_at
timerfd_create
811b00c0 T __x64_sys_timerfd_create
epoll_create
811ad9b0 T __x64_sys_epoll_create
I unpacked, patched out the check and re-packed the deb, then manually
installed it.
Unfortunately for me (yay) the upgrade then proceeded to break
horribly with an apt-get -f install resulting it in wanting to
uninstall X and everything associated with it, requiring severe manual
intervention to get a functioning system again.
root@bkmac:/var/cache/apt/archives# apt-get -u dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
cups-daemon : Depends: libcups2 (= 2.2.10-6+deb10u4) but
2.2.1-8+deb9u6 is installed
cups-ipp-utils : Depends: libcups2 (= 2.2.10-6+deb10u4) but
2.2.1-8+deb9u6 is installed
libcupsimage2 : Depends: libcups2 (= 2.2.10-6+deb10u4) but
2.2.1-8+deb9u6 is installed
libeudev-dev : Depends: libeudev1 (= 3.2.2-13) but 3.2.9-8~beowulf1
is installed
libreoffice-java-common : Depends: libreoffice-common (=
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u7) but 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11 is installed
libreoffice-style-colibre : Depends: libreoffice-common (=
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u7) but 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11 is installed
libusb-1.0-0-dev : Depends: libusb-1.0-0 (= 2:1.0.22-2) but
2:1.0.21-1 is installed
python3-distutils : Depends: python3 (>= 3.7.1-1~) but 3.5.3-1 is
installed
python3-lib2to3 : Depends: python3 (>= 3.7.1-1~) but 3.5.3-1 is
installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages
(or specify a solution).
I got there, but there was a lot of manual dpkg -i from the cache
directory to get things back on track.
Just a headsup.
Brad
Hello Brad.
I'd bet you disabled - or failed to enable - one of the mentionned
kernel features during the config phase of your kernel build. So it
would just be a matter of carefully configuring your kernel build, not
reusing an old config file.
G'day Didier,
I did neither. Here's the relevant bit again where I modified the regex to
match the output from the v5 kernel indicating that all required symbols are
present and accounted for :
root@bkmac:/tmp/temp# needed_symbols='inotify_init signalfd accept4
open_by_handle_at timerfd_create epoll_create'
root@bkmac:/tmp/temp# for symbol in $needed_symbols; do echo $symbol ; egrep
"^[a-fA-F0-9]+ T __x64.sys_${symbol}$" /proc/kallsyms ; done
inotify_init
811ac000 T __x64_sys_inotify_init
signalfd
811af380 T __x64_sys_signalfd
accept4
813df4a0 T __x64_sys_accept4
open_by_handle_at
811d3410 T __x64_sys_open_by_handle_at
timerfd_create
811b00c0 T __x64_sys_timerfd_create
epoll_create
811ad9b0 T __x64_sys_epoll_create
Somewhere between the kernel the eudev package was built for and the kernel I'm
running, the output of /proc/kallsyms changed. It now contains the architecture
prepended to the symbol name, and the eudev preinst script can't parse it.
eudev runs perfectly well on the kernel.
For example :
brad@bkmac:~$ grep sys_open_by_handle_at /proc/kallsyms
T __x64_sys_open_by_handle_at
T __ia32_sys_open_by_handle_at
T __ia32_compat_sys_open_by_handle_at
It matches what I found in this bug :
https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=383
In that instance the reporter got it installed by downgrading his kernel.
Regards,
Brad
Re: [DNG] Please don't imply this kind of equality: was Re: End of free open source software?
Please let this useless thread die and get back to discussions about free software and making Devuan the best alternative without systemd lock-in. Thanks. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please don't imply this kind of equality: was Re: End of free open source software?
goli...@devuan.org [11.05.2021 20:07]: > Please let this useless thread die and get back to discussions about > free software and making Devuan the best alternative without systemd > lock-in. Thanks. You beat me to it. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
