Re: [DNG] Anybody successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with Devuan?
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:48:34 +0100 Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Litt wrote: > > Has anyone successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with > > Devuan? As a bonus, has anyone gotten it to work without > > Pulseaudio? > > did you try nouveau? It is your only long-term hope, the short term > being using binary drivers. Yes. Works fairly well, but intermittently X just terminates. Of course, this could be a hardware problem, or a problem with who knows what, but it's a problem I need to fix before appointing this machine my new Daily Driver Desktop (DDD). Also, when I scroll, distortion occurs on the screen, so I can't read while mousewheel scrolling. I didn't even know I did this until it the ability was taken away from me. > > I have a 7300 series card (so still 7 family, but older than yours) > and no way I can get it to work, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD all refuse > to show something. Remind me not to get one of them. Just in case, 24 hours ago I ordered a Radeon 5450 with 2GB RAM from Dell. If you guys haven't shopped at Dell, try it. They have *very* helpful chat people all hours of the day. I got my help at about 4am. My chat guy made sure I got what I wanted, when I wanted. Don't try that at Egghead, Walmart, Amazon, BH Photos and the like. Dell's price was on par with many, and lower than some. Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no sound on the brasswell acer chromebook. not from headphone or speakers
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:40:00 -0800 kdibble wrote: > On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 14:21:39 -0800 Chris via Dng > wrote > > > only dummy output in pulseaudio > > alsamixer shows chtmax98090 and HDA Intel PCH for sound cards. In my travels, I've found Pulseaudio to be the land of a thousand mutes, most of them very hard to find even with Pavucontrol. Also, I've found Pulseaudio to be very stateful: Whether and how it works depends on the sequence of programs you've run. I'm still existing without it. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no sound on the brasswell acer chromebook. not from headphone or speakers
Le 30/11/2020 à 11:14, Steve Litt a écrit : > In my travels, I've found Pulseaudio to be the land of a thousand > mutes, most of them very hard to find even with Pavucontrol. Also, I've > found Pulseaudio to be very stateful: Whether and how it works depends > on the sequence of programs you've run. I'm still existing without it. I couldn't describe better what the whole of my experience with Pulseaudio has been. I also have existed without it for many years, and I intend to continue (~: AFAIK Pulseaudio was designed to solve the non-existing question of managing sound between hosts across the network. Reminds me the non-existing multiseat question. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch
Hi all, Devuan's #34 on Distrowatch. Not too shabby! Runit using Void is #40. Redhat, the clowns who started this whole systemd thing, are down at #64. Meanwhile, at #18, AntiX offers a choice between sysvinit and runit. And at #50, Artix offers a choice between OpenRC, runit and s6. It's wonderful to see s6 make it into a distro. And at #44, Alpine Linux uses either OpenRC or Busybox. It's great to see a distro use Busybox. The big news is this though. #1 on the list, MX Linux, uses sysvinit. The guys with red hats, the FreeDesktop hipsters and the Poetterpuppies can all gloat that most distros use systemd, but, ummm, what about the #1 distro? SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch
Hi Steve, Steve Litt writes: > Hi all, > > Devuan's #34 on Distrowatch. Not too shabby! > > Runit using Void is #40. Redhat, the clowns who started this whole > systemd thing, are down at #64. I don't want to spoil your party but have you looked at Fedora, at #8, and CentOS, at #19? The fact that Red Hat is a good deal lower on the list probably has a lot to do with its pricing[1]. [1]: https://www.redhat.com/en/store/linux-platforms > Meanwhile, at #18, AntiX offers a choice between sysvinit and runit. > And at #50, Artix offers a choice between OpenRC, runit and s6. It's > wonderful to see s6 make it into a distro. And at #44, Alpine Linux > uses either OpenRC or Busybox. It's great to see a distro use Busybox. > > The big news is this though. #1 on the list, MX Linux, uses sysvinit. > The guys with red hats, the FreeDesktop hipsters and the Poetterpuppies > can all gloat that most distros use systemd, but, ummm, what about the > #1 distro? > > SteveT Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] cups in ceres
Hello, I'm getting a circular problem upgrading cups in ceres. I've been tackling this for a week or so. I need two root terminals open: one to apt-get and the other to top + kill apt-get and dpkg. The sequence goes like this: [xterm1]#apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... all goes well (apart from the nvidea-persistentd under discussion) ... then comes the problem Setting up printer-driver-cups-pdf (3.0.1-6) ... Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd [apt-get freezes] [xterm2]# top #kill PID of apt-get #apt-get install -f E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock. It is held by process [PID] (dpkg) N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break your system. E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? # kill PID of dpkg [xterm1] # Terminated # empty prompt [xterm2} # apt-get install -f E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. #dpkg --configure -a ...all goes well until [xterm2] #Setting up printer-driver-cups-pdf (3.0.1-6) ... Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. [dpkg freezes] [but a simple Ctrl+C allows it to proceed] ^Cdpkg: error processing package printer-driver-cups-pdf (--configure): installed printer-driver-cups-pdf package post-installation script subprocess was interrupted and so on. I've tried to apt-get remove --purge printer-driver-cups-pdf but it removes it and then freezes immediately after, presumably on the post-installation script. The only way I've been able to get this far (it used to freeze at reloading cupsd) was by using the linux-brprinter-installer script from brother which crashes through everything with a dpkg -f option. Any ideas? Many thanks fraser ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anybody successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with Devuan?
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 05:10:29 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20201130051029.510f1...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:48:34 +0100 > Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Has anyone successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with > > > Devuan? As a bonus, has anyone gotten it to work without > > > Pulseaudio? > > > > did you try nouveau? It is your only long-term hope, the short term > > being using binary drivers. > > Yes. Works fairly well, but intermittently X just terminates. ..doing what, like X freezing and hangs the whole machine? No response to keyboard input, while the mouse can still move, but no button click response? Try a RT kernel, and use it to enforce response deadlines. I also found these RT kernels helps stop youtube video stuttering. > Of > course, this could be a hardware problem, or a problem with who knows > what, but it's a problem I need to fix before appointing this machine > my new Daily Driver Desktop (DDD). Also, when I scroll, distortion > occurs on the screen, ..tearing pictures triangularly across half the screen that you can "fix" by selecting the area around said picture? ..looks like over-committed texture memory to me, I first saw that kinda tearing in FlightGear a decade back when messing around to try hike my framerate. > so I can't read while mousewheel scrolling. I > didn't even know I did this until it the ability was taken away from > me. > > > > > I have a 7300 series card (so still 7 family, but older than yours) > > and no way I can get it to work, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD all refuse > > to show something. > > Remind me not to get one of them. > > Just in case, 24 hours ago I ordered a Radeon 5450 with 2GB RAM from > Dell. If you guys haven't shopped at Dell, try it. They have *very* > helpful chat people all hours of the day. I got my help at about 4am. > My chat guy made sure I got what I wanted, when I wanted. Don't try > that at Egghead, Walmart, Amazon, BH Photos and the like. Dell's price > was on par with many, and lower than some. > > Thanks! > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no sound on the brasswell acer chromebook. not from headphone or speakers
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:58:18 +0100, Didier wrote in message <04cf4224-66d3-5660-4c11-7ef1572af...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 30/11/2020 à 11:14, Steve Litt a écrit : > > In my travels, I've found Pulseaudio to be the land of a thousand > > mutes, most of them very hard to find even with Pavucontrol. Also, > > I've found Pulseaudio to be very stateful: Whether and how it works > > depends on the sequence of programs you've run. I'm still existing > > without it. > > I couldn't describe better what the whole of my experience with > Pulseaudio has been. I also have existed without it for many years, > and I intend to continue (~: > > AFAIK Pulseaudio was designed to solve the non-existing question > of managing sound between hosts across the network. ..how, by making it impossible? Who wouldn't wanna be able to set up music to follow you smartly around your homes, if that's what you want? > Reminds me the non-existing multiseat question. ..multiseating has its uses, e.g. gaming, politics, usenet etc and banking should probably be done on separate user accounts, and it's silly easy to set up a separate user for e.g. your banking needs. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anybody successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with Devuan?
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:26:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 05:10:29 -0500, Steve wrote in message > <20201130051029.510f1...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > > > On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:48:34 +0100 > > Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Has anyone successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with > > > > Devuan? As a bonus, has anyone gotten it to work without > > > > Pulseaudio? > > > > > > did you try nouveau? It is your only long-term hope, the short term > > > being using binary drivers. > > > > Yes. Works fairly well, but intermittently X just terminates. > > ..doing what, like X freezing and hangs the whole machine? I have something like that happening when the system runs out of memory. It becomes unresponsive to keyboard and mouse, and appears to freeze. Eventually it revers -- this can take many minutes. Maybe longer. I usually walk away and come back later if I don't feel like rebooting. As far as I can tell, the OOM killer struggles to get enough resource to decide which process to kill. Often if choses firefox-esr, which can have a lot of processes caled Web Content. Sometimes I can control-alt-F1 to a text console, which echoes keystrokes very slowly, and I can killall firefox-esr. > No response to keyboard input, while the mouse can still move, > but no button click response? button-click response is then also very slow, but does happen eventually. Too slow to know what got clicked on. -- hendrik > Try a RT kernel, and use it to enforce response deadlines. > I also found these RT kernels helps stop youtube video stuttering. > > > Of > > course, this could be a hardware problem, or a problem with who knows > > what, but it's a problem I need to fix before appointing this machine > > my new Daily Driver Desktop (DDD). Also, when I scroll, distortion > > occurs on the screen, > > ..tearing pictures triangularly across half the screen that you can > "fix" by selecting the area around said picture? > > ..looks like over-committed texture memory to me, I first saw that > kinda tearing in FlightGear a decade back when messing around to try > hike my framerate. > > > so I can't read while mousewheel scrolling. I > > didn't even know I did this until it the ability was taken away from > > me. > > > > > > > > I have a 7300 series card (so still 7 family, but older than yours) > > > and no way I can get it to work, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD all refuse > > > to show something. > > > > Remind me not to get one of them. > > > > Just in case, 24 hours ago I ordered a Radeon 5450 with 2GB RAM from > > Dell. If you guys haven't shopped at Dell, try it. They have *very* > > helpful chat people all hours of the day. I got my help at about 4am. > > My chat guy made sure I got what I wanted, when I wanted. Don't try > > that at Egghead, Walmart, Amazon, BH Photos and the like. Dell's price > > was on par with many, and lower than some. > > > > Thanks! > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Tiger Auditing Report for april
Tiger tells me what's listening on ports. It's usually quite sparse. On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 06:00:02PM -0500, Tiger automatic auditor at april wrote: > # Checking listening processes > OLD: --WARN-- [lin003w] The process `smtpd' is listening on socket 25 (TCP on > every interface) is run by postfix. Yes, Iuse posstfix to send and receive email. But I also have a web server running on the same machine. Why is it never listed as also listening? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 20:16:48 +0900 Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Steve Litt writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > Devuan's #34 on Distrowatch. Not too shabby! > > > > Runit using Void is #40. Redhat, the clowns who started this whole > > systemd thing, are down at #64. > > I don't want to spoil your party but have you looked at Fedora, at #8, > and CentOS, at #19? The fact that Red Hat is a good deal lower on the > list probably has a lot to do with its pricing[1]. Hi Olaf, This doesn't spoil my party at all. Redhat Linux is the moneymaking arm of the mess known as Redhat. The fact that Redhat is #64 tells me not that many people are buying their stupid support, even though systemd made Linux much harder to troubleshoot and admin. And given Redhat's, Freedesktop's and Poettering's rhetoric about how completely systemd has taken over, #64 is unexpectedly low for the monetary supporters of systemd. You'd think that Devuan, MX_Linux, Void, Alpine, and AntiX would be way below Redhat Linux. But in fact all of those distros are above Redhat Linux. This is good news. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..will experimental seatd be part of our escape from pötterisms like d-bus and (e)logind?
Hi, ..will experimental seatd be part of our escape from pötterisms like d-bus and (e)logind?: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/experimental/experimental/seatd_0.4.0-1~rc1.html https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd ..git clone https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd and have a look. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..will experimental seatd be part of our escape from pötterisms like d-bus and (e)logind?
> On 1 Dec 2020, at 11:26, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > Hi, > > > ..will experimental seatd be part of our escape from pötterisms like > d-bus and (e)logind?: > https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/experimental/experimental/seatd_0.4.0-1~rc1.html > https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd > > ..git clone https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd and have a look. :o) Seems to be quite new. Is there much existing software supporting it yet, or is that a job to start filing some feature request issues at various bug trackers? — Tom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] cups in ceres
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:39:37 +, Le wrote in message <20201130113937.6da5d2fa@cruncher>: > Hello, > > I'm getting a circular problem upgrading cups in ceres. I've been > tackling this for a week or so. I need two root terminals open: one > to apt-get and the other to top + kill apt-get and dpkg. ..snip PITA details > Any ideas? ..not on cups, never had problems with it. ..generally, have a stable back-up system on a separate disk or partition handy BEFORE you mess up experimental stuff like ceres, (AKA unstable, for exactly this reason) so you CAN boot that up and chroot in to clean up your messy experiments, BTDT ;o). ..chrooting in to update your stable back-up system is a nice exercise that will help speed up recovery the next times. ;o) ..I never had to chroot in in my Sid days until pulseaudio and avahi hit me, Debian Sid was not unstable enough to scare anyone until the systemd coup ramifications destroyed Debian as a viable OS source for me. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] cups in ceres
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:39:37 +, Le wrote in message <20201130113937.6da5d2fa@cruncher>: > Hello, > > I'm getting a circular problem upgrading cups in ceres. I've been > tackling this for a week or so. I need two root terminals open: one > to apt-get and the other to top + kill apt-get and dpkg. The sequence > goes like this: > > [xterm1]#apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > ... > all goes well (apart from the nvidea-persistentd under discussion) > ... then comes the problem > > Setting up printer-driver-cups-pdf (3.0.1-6) ... > Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd > [apt-get freezes] > > [xterm2]# top > #kill PID of apt-get > #apt-get install -f > E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock. It is held by process [PID] > (dpkg) > N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and > may break your system. > E: Unable to lock the administration directory > (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? > # kill PID of dpkg > > [xterm1] # Terminated ># empty prompt > > [xterm2} # apt-get install -f > E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' > to correct the problem. >#dpkg --configure -a > > ...all goes well until > > [xterm2] #Setting up printer-driver-cups-pdf (3.0.1-6) ... > Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. > [dpkg freezes] > [but a simple Ctrl+C allows it to proceed] > ^Cdpkg: error processing package printer-driver-cups-pdf > (--configure): installed printer-driver-cups-pdf package > post-installation script subprocess was interrupted > > and so on. ..I _have_ gotten away with adding "exit 0" lines in these scripts to make and/or keep apt and dpkg happy, I'm not saying this didn't cause problems elsewhere. ..chk the dpkg --force-help options for better ideas. ..some commands in these install script can be made more verbose adding the occational -v or --verbose whereever you want them. ..also play with nice and cpulimit etc to slow down apt and dpkg etc enough to stay in control of your machine, so you can see WTF is going on in there. > I've tried to apt-get remove --purge printer-driver-cups-pdf but it > removes it and then freezes immediately after, presumably on the > post-installation script. > > The only way I've been able to get this far (it used to freeze > at reloading cupsd) was by using the linux-brprinter-installer script > from brother which crashes through everything with a dpkg -f option. > > Any ideas? ..inline. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
