Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On 8/4/20 3:58 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: [...]> Normally, I use the Zoom app on my Android tablet, where I keep no > critical information. If video is not needed, then consider using Mumble [1]. It is exceptionally easy to set up, both from the client perspective and the user perspective. There are a lot of optional server-side configuration extras to consider and those can take some reading [2] but it works out of the box for the basics. The sound quality is nice and the system requirements are quite low. For privacy and availability, it is Free and Open Source Software and uses open standards along with respectable encryption. /Lars [1] https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/FAQ [2] https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/ACL_and_Groups#Examples ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:28:12 +1000 > Ozi Traveller via Dng wrote: > >> Yes that is the reason for teams. > > > What do you mean by "that"? He'd be referring to my comment : >>> That's fine if anyone you want to chat with also uses Teams. Presumably he's switching to Teams because the people he needs to deal with have switched to it. That's the problem - just because you or I don't want to use a particular option, doesn't mean we can avoid doing so if we have a need to deal with people and they have made that decision. At the day job we are starting to use Teams. I can see a lot going for it, but it also looks like more of the same slow, clumsy, eye candy we've come to expect from MS. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 01:34:59PM +0100, ael wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:58:26PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > > debian's zoom .deb? I've enjoyed and benefitted from this discussion, and I thank one and all. I've installed the .deb file on my bewowulf 3 deskotop. It seems like it would work. I'll give it try next time ther is a zoom meeting. Incidenttally is there a public site that one can use to test zoom? I gave up trying to install zoom in on an old ASCII machine because all the dependencies. I understand the security advantages of using zoom on a laptop not much used for anything else. I suppose the sercurity conern is files being accessible to intruders. Someone made the interesting suggestion of settin up a new account just for zoom. What is wrong with this? Could zoom be used to access files not owned by user? I should mention the the problem running zoom on my laptop (Thknkpad X250). After a short shile (a few minutes) I loose outgoing sound. I have video and sound in, but sound out out stops. I do nothing to the machine during the sesison. This happens each time I run zoom. Anyone have any ideas? -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 03:39:53PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > I should mention the the problem running zoom on my laptop (Thknkpad > X250). After a short shile (a few minutes) I loose outgoing sound. I > have video and sound in, but sound out out stops. I do nothing to the > machine during the sesison. This happens each time I run zoom. Anyone > have any ideas? Might the moderator perhaps be muting you or everybody? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 03:39:53PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 01:34:59PM +0100, ael wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:58:26PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > > > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > > > > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > > > debian's zoom .deb? > > Incidenttally is there a public site that one can use to test zoom? There is an automated test session on the zoom site. Good plac to check out audio and video setting. It does *not* require pulseaudio: it works with simple alsa. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 10:17:26PM +0100, ael wrote: > On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 03:39:53PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 01:34:59PM +0100, ael wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:58:26PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > > > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > > > > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > > > > > > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > > > > debian's zoom .deb? > > > > Incidenttally is there a public site that one can use to test zoom? > > There is an automated test session on the zoom site. Good plac to check > out audio and video setting. It does *not* require pulseaudio: it works > with simple alsa. Thank you. Now I see the link to the test site. Interestingly, my laptop from whih I've been running zoom fails to open the test site (the Open link dialog hangs). My desktop does just fine. me? To what extent would I achieve some security if I were to create a new account, say named zoom, and run zoom in it? -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...
> I understand the security advantages of using zoom on a laptop not > much used for anything else. I suppose the sercurity conern is files > being accessible to intruders. Someone made the interesting suggestion > of settin up a new account just for zoom. The concern about using any gratis commercial videoconferencing service is that quite a bit of biometric information can be collected from you - in particular your voice and your face. Your personal files are just a bonus. Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other photos of that person online, and does a good job of it too. Any videoconferencing service is remarkably well positioned to generate an excellent facial model of you - given that there is a bit of motion and much data of you staring at the camera, a high-quality 3D model of your face can be constructed easily. This biometric information can be abused in so many ways, most of which are still to be invented. But recall the cambridge analytica scandal. It was supposed to have used rubbish online personality quizzes to generate custom ads to fix elections and referenda - with some success. Reportedly it is the reason brexit actually happened ... Now instead of having to rely on "do you like cats or dogs", the propaganda developers get to actually check out your microexpressions and changes in voice pitch... while A/B testing their evil on you. Anyway, if you value your free will then not using closed source video conferencing systems is a must. Similarly if you value your ability enter a store without hostile marketing logic giving you digital patdown... Remember the occasional news article showing off the big chinese control centres monitoring the cameras in some far away city, with a neat little onscreen name following every person walking down the street ? Odds are quite good that your video conferencing use will make it possible to add your name to that list. Some people are going to say "not possible, the call is end-to-end encrypted". Actually no. Illustrative example: The intercept reported that zoom claimed end-to-end encryption, but instead had one shared key, and used ECB (a really poor way of using a cypher). That is why it works so well, as a single lost packet doesn't garble the rest of the stream. More importantly, unlike Balsamic Vinegar or Zero Percent Fat, there is little enforcement of what these terms mean, and governments are keen to weaken encryption further. So if you ever hear "end-to-end video encryption" it is wise to assume "encrypted from your end to their data centre end". It is fashionable to use zoom as an example, given their strong connections to mainland china, but odds are excellent that this is happening on services too, where it is probably done better and more discretely. It is probably also the reason why tiktok is in the news regards marc ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Free faces?
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:00:02AM +0200, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: > > Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the > news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other > photos of that person online, and does a good job of it too. Is there any free/libre software that can look at two photos and provide a reasonable guess as to whether the two are photos of the same person? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...
On 2020-08-05 18:00, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: I understand the security advantages of using zoom on a laptop not much used for anything else. I suppose the sercurity conern is files being accessible to intruders. Someone made the interesting suggestion of settin up a new account just for zoom. The concern about using any gratis commercial videoconferencing service is that quite a bit of biometric information can be collected from you - in particular your voice and your face. Your personal files are just a bonus. Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other photos of that person online, and does a good job of it too. Any videoconferencing service is remarkably well positioned to generate an excellent facial model of you - given that there is a bit of motion and much data of you staring at the camera, a high-quality 3D model of your face can be constructed easily. This biometric information can be abused in so many ways, most of which are still to be invented. But recall the cambridge analytica scandal. It was supposed to have used rubbish online personality quizzes to generate custom ads to fix elections and referenda - with some success. Reportedly it is the reason brexit actually happened ... Now instead of having to rely on "do you like cats or dogs", the propaganda developers get to actually check out your microexpressions and changes in voice pitch... while A/B testing their evil on you. Anyway, if you value your free will then not using closed source video conferencing systems is a must. Similarly if you value your ability enter a store without hostile marketing logic giving you digital patdown... Remember the occasional news article showing off the big chinese control centres monitoring the cameras in some far away city, with a neat little onscreen name following every person walking down the street ? Odds are quite good that your video conferencing use will make it possible to add your name to that list. Some people are going to say "not possible, the call is end-to-end encrypted". Actually no. Illustrative example: The intercept reported that zoom claimed end-to-end encryption, but instead had one shared key, and used ECB (a really poor way of using a cypher). That is why it works so well, as a single lost packet doesn't garble the rest of the stream. More importantly, unlike Balsamic Vinegar or Zero Percent Fat, there is little enforcement of what these terms mean, and governments are keen to weaken encryption further. So if you ever hear "end-to-end video encryption" it is wise to assume "encrypted from your end to their data centre end". It is fashionable to use zoom as an example, given their strong connections to mainland china, but odds are excellent that this is happening on services too, where it is probably done better and more discretely. It is probably also the reason why tiktok is in the news regards marc Here's another reason tiktok is in the news https://news.antiwar.com/2020/08/02/tiktok-ban-for-national-security-or-us-tech-companies/ golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
