Re: [DNG] [OT] Signature filtering (was: Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem)

2020-07-25 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting spiralofhope (spiralofh...@spiralofhope.com):

> > McQ!  (4x80)
> 
> Now I understand this.  :)

Yr. welcome.

> As an aside, the RFC suggests a limit of 75, even for a signature, since
> this leaves space for quoting.

It does -- _but_ by their nature, .signature blocks ought not to be
quoted in discussion normally:  Being personal-expression space, they
are classified as not part of the conversation.

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Re: [DNG] "Free" email accounts: was Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem

2020-07-25 Thread Gabe Stanton via Dng
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 12:38 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
>  If you can't help him, please just be quiet. 

I'll continue to speak my mind when I want to, but I'll choose my words
more carefully in the future (and hopefully think more about the fine
points of my argument before typing).



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Re: [DNG] Advertisements to list (was: Devuan 3.0 Orca Problem)

2020-07-25 Thread Gabe Stanton via Dng
Steve, your response illuminated a distinction I had been making
without even thinking about it.

I'm just pontificating about advertisements now, so feel free to not
read, but personally, Steve, your advertising your site and books has
never bothered me in the slightest. It's on-topic and it's your
personal efforts you're advertising. Corporate, paid-for ads are really
the issue for me and I never thought it out that far before.

I'll look at the rules for the list again but your response actually
raised a very interesting and important distinction about ads.


Gabe

On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 11:28 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Yes, I thought you were behaving like a jerk *UNTIL* I saw the volume
> and content of the ad. The ad included something with American
> politics, which is just sooo inappropriate for an international
> technical list. Nothing jerky about objecting to *that particular*
> ad.
> 
> SteveT
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:04:38 -0600
> Gabe Stanton via Dng  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry if I sounded like a jerk, I don't intend to be one.
> > Advertisements just tend to irritate me, like nails on a
> > chalkboard.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 09:08 -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
> > > It is possible to opt out of that on Juno. You'll have to dig
> > > down
> > > to 
> > > find it though and every so often, they will try to turn it back
> > > on. Very sneaky . . .
> > > 
> > > On 2020-07-24 08:21, Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote:  
> > > > Sorry I don't have anything helpful regarding orca, but that
> > > > looks
> > > > like
> > > > an advertisement in your signature.
> > > > Are advertisements in signatures allowed in this list?
> > > > I think advertisements of any sort should be banned from this
> > > > list. I
> > > > don't read (and occasionally participate on) this list to be
> > > > advertised
> > > > a news source. I have enough people vying for my attention
> > > > already, this list should be free from that kind of stuff.
> > > > Gabe
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 19:04 -0700, David Hoff Jr wrote:  
> > > > > I have install Beowulf to a 32
> > > > >   bit Acer netbook using the text
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > > installer with
> > > > > > speech. I have speech in the text console but no
> > > > > > speech
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > with Orca in the GUI desktop including the login
> > > > > > screen. In
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > GUI
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Desktop terminal I can bring up the Orca
> > > > > > preferences
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > Orca
> > > > > > -r -s
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and find that in the second tab page there is
> > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Voice
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > type, Speech System or Speech synthasizer boxes.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Any suggestions how to fix this. I do have other
> > > > > > sounds,
> > > > > > just no
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > speech from Orca.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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Re: [DNG] Advertisements to list

2020-07-25 Thread golinux
That kind of thinking is a slippery slope.  Advertising is advertising.  
Period.  And signatures of any kind take up space even when they are 
on-point philosophy, ascii art or [fill-in-the-blank]. But then the 
netiquette police have a lot to bitch about on this list. Very few posts 
get trimmed and lookie here, we're top posting which is a real no-no.  
Opinions are just opinions and hot air is hot air whether spoken or 
written and there is way too much of that on this list. If only that 
wasted energy could be diverted into actually improving Devuan . . .


golinux


On 2020-07-25 07:53, Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote:

Steve, your response illuminated a distinction I had been making
without even thinking about it.

I'm just pontificating about advertisements now, so feel free to not
read, but personally, Steve, your advertising your site and books has
never bothered me in the slightest. It's on-topic and it's your
personal efforts you're advertising. Corporate, paid-for ads are really
the issue for me and I never thought it out that far before.

I'll look at the rules for the list again but your response actually
raised a very interesting and important distinction about ads.


Gabe

On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 11:28 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

Yes, I thought you were behaving like a jerk *UNTIL* I saw the volume
and content of the ad. The ad included something with American
politics, which is just sooo inappropriate for an international
technical list. Nothing jerky about objecting to *that particular*
ad.

SteveT



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