Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device ? /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? brltty is the Braille display driver, and you will get these messages if the Braille display is not connected. Antony. -- We all get the same amount of time - twenty-four hours per day. How you use it is up to you. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? [skipped] you will get these messages if the Braille display is not connected. - Then this is a bug, to fill the logs if hardware is not connected (does not have to be Beowulf/Devuan fault, I did not test with Debian). And no, it was not installed deliberately, but it could be. It came probably as a part of some task package. Some of the computers which share the package set may have or lack the hardware. /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:17:41, dal wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone > Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 > > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device > > Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? > [skipped] > you will get these messages if the Braille display is not connected. > - > > Then this is a bug, to fill the logs if hardware is not connected > (does not have to be Beowulf/Devuan fault, I did not test with Debian). It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've only ever used it on Debian. If you consider it a bug, it needs to be reported upstream; I'm just not sure how far up. Antony. -- I think broken pencils are pointless. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:25 It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've only ever used it on Debian. If you consider it a bug, it needs to be reported upstream; I'm just not sure how far up. - Thanks Antony! /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
Hi, Antony Stone writes: > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:17:41, dal wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone >> Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 >> >> On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: >> > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of >> > >> > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> >> > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device >> >> Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? >> [skipped] >> you will get these messages if the Braille display is not connected. >> - >> >> Then this is a bug, to fill the logs if hardware is not connected >> (does not have to be Beowulf/Devuan fault, I did not test with Debian). > > It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is > Debian-specific, > or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've only ever used it on > Debian. > > If you consider it a bug, it needs to be reported upstream; I'm just not sure > how far up. If the OP has task-console-productivity installed it might be a Devuan specific issue. The brltty package is recommended there and there is no such task in Debian AFAIK. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] What an Ad hominem!
Hi, Today I replayed to the translation into spanish of one article written by a systemd developer in Lennart Pottering's blog, and arguing (*aside* of the translated article) that most of the systemd detractors are also propietary software defenders: https://maslinux.es/en-defensa-de-systemd/ The replay was limited to 1800 characters. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What an Ad hominem!
Hi, El 2020-04-18 a las 13:51, aitor_czr escribió: Hi, Today I replayed to the translation into spanish of one article written by a systemd developer in Lennart Pottering's blog, and arguing (*aside* of the translated article) that most of the systemd detractors are also propietary software defenders: https://maslinux.es/en-defensa-de-systemd/ The replay was limited to 1800 characters. Cheers, Aitor. The targeted article is the same article mentioned by Jude Nelson in his blog: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 13:47:25, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi, > > Antony Stone writes: > > > > It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is > > Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've > > only ever used it on Debian. > > > > If you consider it a bug, it needs to be reported upstream; I'm just not > > sure how far up. > > If the OP has task-console-productivity installed it might be a Devuan > specific issue. The brltty package is recommended there and there is no > such task in Debian AFAIK. Aha - I wasn't aware of *that* Devuan-specific possibility, however I was basically confirming that the logfile entries which the OP was unhappy about occur on Debian too (provided someone or something installed brltty). I'm not quite sure why brltty should be a recommendation for "console productivity", but the underlying problem would seem to be the logfile entries rather than the installation of the package, I think. I'm happy to have packages installed on my machine which are (currently) non- functional due to the required hardware not being plugged in, but I wouldn't want them constantly complaining about it. Antony. -- "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." - Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defence Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What an Ad hominem!
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 18 Apr 14:12:08 + aitor_czr scripsit: > Hi, > > El 2020-04-18 a las 13:51, aitor_czr escribió: > > > > Hi, > > > > Today I replayed to the translation into spanish of one article > > written by a systemd developer in Lennart Pottering's blog, > > > > and arguing (*aside* of the translated article) that most of the > > systemd detractors are also propietary software defenders: > > > > https://maslinux.es/en-defensa-de-systemd/ > > > > The replay was limited to 1800 characters. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Aitor. > > > The targeted article is the same article mentioned by Jude Nelson in his > blog: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html > > Aitor. When systemd still needs that kind of justification to defend itself, then it's most likely facing some problems. > > > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:47 If the OP has task-console-productivity installed it might be a Devuan specific issue. The brltty package is recommended there and there is no such task in Debian AFAIK. - Yes, I think it came in that way, but its presence is not a problem. The logs are, as Antony already wrote. Including the package into a "task" just made that Debian/upstream bug apparent. /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of laptop have your successfully installed Devuan on?
I installed Devuan Ascii on a Lenovo W530 via the live desktop installer. I upgraded to Beowulf Beta a few months ago. The install and upgrade were a breeze. In general things are good. The only issue since upgrading to Beowulf is that if I run a cpu-heavy program for long periods of time, I get an unresponsive system to the extent that I have to hard-reset my machine. I've also installed and run Devuan Ascii on a Lenovo T520 for quite a while with no real issues. Installing from the desktop/live installer is quite easy. The netinst image gives more options and says it is for more experienced users. On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 18:32 +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > |This is a hardware question. > |Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully > installed > |devuan onto? > |How difficult was it? > | > |Thank You In Advance. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of laptop have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Toshiba Tecra i7 Simple install everything just worked including webcam and mic. On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 7:59 AM Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote: > I installed Devuan Ascii on a Lenovo W530 via the live desktop installer. > I upgraded to Beowulf Beta a few months ago. > > The install and upgrade were a breeze. > > In general things are good. > The only issue since upgrading to Beowulf is that if I run a cpu-heavy > program for long periods of time, I get an unresponsive system to the > extent that I have to hard-reset my machine. > > I've also installed and run Devuan Ascii on a Lenovo T520 for quite a > while with no real issues. > > Installing from the desktop/live installer is quite easy. The netinst > image gives more options and says it is for more experienced users. > > > > On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 18:32 +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > > |This is a hardware question. > |Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > |devuan onto? > |How difficult was it? > | > |Thank You In Advance. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:05:25 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > > > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> > > /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device > > Did you deliberately install accessibility for blind people? > > brltty is the Braille display driver, and you will get these messages > if the Braille display is not connected. I never thought about this before, but I think all packages for blind people should come with all standard packages. Doing so avoids the buried shovel situation where the blind person could install the packages for blind people if only he or she could read enough to install them. Those of us who aren't blind can easily de-install them. SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:31:51PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I never thought about this before, but I think all packages for blind > people should come with all standard packages. Doing so avoids the > buried shovel situation where the blind person could install the > packages for blind people if only he or she could read enough to > install them. Thank you for your sentiment Steve. Devuan however does have an accessible install option. This means that whatever accessibility speech or braille output options were chosen during the install will also be activated in the installed system. So, if someone initially installed with for example software speech but not with braille but that person needs braille later, that individual should be able to use the already activated software speech to install and configure brltty for braille output. For those who don't need brltty and who find the log messages a problem, uninstalling brltty should resolve the issue. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
