Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2020-01-14 Thread Mike Tubby



On 28/12/2019 15:26, Clarke Sideroad via Dng wrote:

On 2019-12-28 5:03 a.m., Alexis PM via Dng wrote:

My comments:

A mediocre result, neither good nor bad.
The best option for people who don't want to use systemd, Option 6 
"E: Support for multiple init systems is Required", came in last.
But Option 1 "F: Focus on systemd" came in second place, if it had 
won it would have been a tragedy.


We remain more or less as we are ("The Debian project recognizes that 
systemd service units are the preferred configuration", "Packages may 
include support for alternate init systems besides systemd and may 
include alternatives for any systemd-specific interfaces they use", 
"Maintainers use their normal procedures for deciding which patches 
to include", "Debian is committed to working with derivatives that 
make different choices about init systems" as a simple 
recommendation), now with the certainty that it will remain so for at 
least some time. A project offering Debian packages free of systemd 
dependencies remains necessary.




It looks like the mess that exists, continues to exist unabated and 
will only get worse over time.
Debian has really lost its reason for being, which differentiated it 
from other distros.
The strength and safety of Dev level decision making in Debian and 
loss of sight of its history has turned out to be the weakness.

In several ways it looks like world politics.

The lure of continuing to use Debian as a base distro is still there, 
the breadth of the repos and the freedom and strength of individual 
developers remains.

This all further reinforces, now more than ever the need for Devuan.
Yes there are other non-systemd Linux choices out there, but for me 
the Devuan, Debian based combination will continue to be the best 
choice for general use.


Clarke


Well said, Sir!


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Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2020-01-14 Thread Mike Tubby



On 30/12/2019 21:53, fsmithred via Dng wrote:

On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote:


I know Devuan has been pretty much more or less 'to create a binary
compatible Debian but without systemd', but at what point would it be
determined that the best course of action may be to leave Debian behind
and continue our own way? Probably won't happen any time soon due to
manpower issues but it's worth thinking about.



One way to measure that might be to see if we start falling farther 
behind debian. Right now, we're still catching up.


Jessie was 2 years late.
Ascii was 1 year late.
Beowulf is 6 months late.



Measured against any government contract work, this could only be called 
hugely positive in terms of progress and catching up!





Any talk of switching our base is premature.

fsmithred


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