Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:03:13 +0100 (CET) freemedia via Dng wrote: > ive admired your criticism of systemd for a long time: > http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Gratuitous_interdependency The preceding is a very cool web page. I agree with everything on it except (well crafted) COCs and Python3. Your coopting charities thing is right on the money: When my kids were in second grade, their elementary school told parents we'd have a presentation on computers in school. The presentation turned out to be given by a Microsoft employee, and was nothing but a Microsoft dog and pony show. I wrote the principal later, and she wrote back and said that group wouldn't be invited back next year. I think given your definition of "Gratuitous Dependency", you should rename it to "Predatory Interdependency". When I speak of "Gratuitous Interdependency", I mean something regardless of intent, and therefore include KDE as a culprit. I'd say Predatory Interdependency is a subcategory of Gratuitous Interdependency. I never thought of this until seeing your definition. Framework Attack: I thought I was the only one offended. See http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/politics_of_dependencies.htm You created a very informative and thought provoking web page. Thanks freemedia! SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fifth freedom
> The freedom to NOT run the software, to be free to avoid vendor lock-in > through appropriate modularization/encapsulation and minimized dependencies; > meaning any free software can be replaced with a user’s preferred > alternatives (freedom 4). Late to the party as usual FOSS and the FSF have not lived up to my expectations, my fault for expecting too much. I am now pinning my hopes on the future growth of FFS (Five Freedoms Software). Or for the more anarchist among you... FFS as in "this is how it should be done" https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FFS ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:03:13 +0100 (CET) freemedia via Dng wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Not Gentoo --- they're slowly sliding toward systemd. > > this is important to me, and ive looked for more information on the > gentoo forums and website, and i cant find the trend. > > ive admired your criticism of systemd for a long time: > http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Gratuitous_interdependency > > so if i ask what about gentoo concerns you, its falling on a > sympathetic ear. but im still extremely curious, if you can point me > in the right direction. 1. In 2014 or 2015, I asked both Gentoo and Funtoo if they'd pledge never to get entangled with systemd. Funtoo took the pledge, and Gentoo declined. 2. Gentoo has worked hard at becoming systemd compliant, and offers systemd. Now in all fairness, Funtoo now offers systemd too, and neither Funtoo nor Gentoo have systemd as their default init system, according to distrowatch.com. So my opinion could be a little outdated. So at this point the comparison between Gentoo and Funtoo regarding systemd is a subjective opinion of Steve Litt, it's outdated, so I'm withdrawing it. Certainly either would be an improvement over a systemd-default OS like rehat, centos, ubuntu, debian, and the like. SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
g4sra wrote: > FOSS and the FSF have not lived up to my expectations, my fault for expecting > too much. > I am now pinning my hopes on the future growth of FFS (Five Freedoms > Software). glad to have you aboard, g4sra. i believe jaromil likes this as well, i certainly dont expect him to promote it or endorse it officially, but that would be pretty cool. i can imagine reasons why he might decline, but maybe it will catch on eventually. ive written about this in more detail here: http://techrights.org/2019/12/15/us-constitution-fsd-usc/ it uses the american constitution as an example, though everybody knows the american one borrows a LOT of ideas from across the pond. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
Quoting freemedia via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > ive written about this in more detail here: > http://techrights.org/2019/12/15/us-constitution-fsd-usc/ it uses the > american constitution as an example, though everybody knows the > american one borrows a LOT of ideas from across the pond. Since you mention that, I'm really surprised you managed to write a long, long screed on that subject that nowhere even mentions Montesquieu. (Of course, your concern wasn't about government structure but rather, er, some highly abstract, yet very verbose, ideological point.) Meanwhile, if you need a source for keyboards with functional shift keys, I may be able to help. ;-> (It's really tough when specific keys simply fail like that. Just ask my wife, Deirdre: http://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/keyboard-failure -- Cheers, "Maybe the law ain’t perfect, but it’s the only Rick Moenone we got, and without it we got nuthin'." r...@linuxmafia.com -- U.S. Deputy Marshal Bass Reeves, circa 1875 McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
> Since you mention that, I'm really surprised you managed to write a long, long screed on that subject that nowhere even mentions Montesquieu. > (Of course, your concern wasn't about government structure but rather, er, some highly abstract, yet very verbose, ideological point.) gee rick, ive read this over and over to try to find something useful in it, and i suspect what you were trying to say is "less is more", though what youve managed to demonstrate is that sometimes "less is nothing." let me know when that pulitzer of yours rolls in. as long as its troll-time by your watch, i can tell you exactly what you can do with -your- shift key. "cheers" indeed, fm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd
Quoting freemedia via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > gee rick, ive read this over and over to try to find something useful > in it, I'm dreadfully sorry my comments fell short of your needs. (You may return them under warranty.) > and i suspect what you were trying to say is "less is more" Not even by a country mile, or a suburban parsec. -- Cheers, "Maybe the law ain’t perfect, but it’s the only Rick (hot keyboard deals) Moen one we got, and without it we got nuthin'." r...@linuxmafia.com -- U.S. Deputy Marshal Bass Reeves, circa 1875 McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
