[DNG] A suggestion for an easier upgrade of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf

[Fred DC]

Because I don't know how to file a bug-report against the whole 
merged/beowulf branch which presently does not allow a straight forward 
migration of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf I thought, if I bring up this 
subject in this list some of the Developers might have a look at it.


It is not my desire to be controversial, please don't nuke me.

I do run a Beowulf-based OS with xfce4-desktop with elogind and
lightdm and supplemented with packages which I need for my audio work 
(jackd2, pulseaudio-module-jack, DWS etc). This whole set-up runs very well.


Unfortunately a desktop-environment migration from ASCII to Beowulf is a 
bit clumsy and hazardous due the fact that the below listed 
Buster-Packages create a dependency-problem and if not resolved 
correctly will render the freshly installed Beowulf-Desktop-Environment 
pretty useless.


In order to make it a lot easier to get a Beowulf-Install with 'apt-get
update' and 'apt-get upgrade' (NOT dist-upgrade), my suggestion is to
make 4 packages, because they are *pure* Debian-Buster-Packages, 
invisible in the merged/beowulf branch.


Blacklist/remove in merged/beowulf  policykit-1
libpolkit-agent-1-0
libpolkit-backend-1-0
libpolkit-gobject-1-0

Assuming that it could be done without being too disruptive, I like to
think that many aspiring testers or users who are not too keen on the
backport-route could benefit from it if the Devuan-Developers would
consider this suggestion. Of course some weeding out of the truly 
obsolete packages will have to be done by hand including some pinning to 
preserve the migrated and essential ASCII packages till they can be 
replaced by their Beowulf equivalents.


PS: I know that /merged/beowulf is not ready for a dist-upgrade but
a DE upgrade is do-able because the ASCII packages are presently
*fully* compatible with Beowulf!

   The link below points to a "mini mini" HowTo I wrote some time ago in
   order to demonstrate that a successful DE-Migration is do-able.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301

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Re: [DNG] A suggestion for an easier upgrade of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 02:33:50PM +0200, Fred DC wrote:
> Because I don't know how to file a bug-report against the whole
> merged/beowulf branch which presently does not allow a straight forward
> migration of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf I thought, if I bring up this
> subject in this list some of the Developers might have a look at it.
> 
> It is not my desire to be controversial, please don't nuke me.
> 
> I do run a Beowulf-based OS with xfce4-desktop with elogind and
> lightdm and supplemented with packages which I need for my audio work
> (jackd2, pulseaudio-module-jack, DWS etc). This whole set-up runs very well.
> 
> Unfortunately a desktop-environment migration from ASCII to Beowulf is a bit
> clumsy and hazardous due the fact that the below listed Buster-Packages
> create a dependency-problem and if not resolved correctly will render the
> freshly installed Beowulf-Desktop-Environment pretty useless.

Dear Fred,

please just have patience :) We don't need a duct-tape fix, rather one
that works for everybody and does not need any manual
intervention. That's mostly a matter of rebuilding the relevant
packages (elogind + polkit-1-* stuff) for ceres and then let them
percolate to beowulf. For the moment, pinning those packages to the
ascii version seems to be a suitable fix. 

We are getting there. Stay tuned. 

HTH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] A suggestion for an easier upgrade of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf

[Fred DC]

On 13/09/2018 15:42, KatolaZ wrote:

 We don't need a duct-tape fix, rather one
that works for everybody and does not need any manual
intervention. .


I agree with that because that is what really everybody ultimately wants 
(IMHO).




We are getting there. Stay tuned.


OK, I will (mumble,mumble) ;-)

Seriously, I appreciate your feedback. Thank you.

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Re: [DNG] A suggestion for an easier upgrade of a DE from ASCII to Beowulf

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 04:18:15PM +0200, Fred DC wrote:
> On 13/09/2018 15:42, KatolaZ wrote:
> >  We don't need a duct-tape fix, rather one
> > that works for everybody and does not need any manual
> > intervention. .
> 
> I agree with that because that is what really everybody ultimately wants
> (IMHO).
> 
> 
> > We are getting there. Stay tuned.
> 
> OK, I will (mumble,mumble) ;-)
> 
> Seriously, I appreciate your feedback. Thank you.
> 

And I really appreciate yours, Fred. Sorry if this was not totally
clear in my previous email :)

The main point is that we are finally tansitioning towards the "usual"
experimental/unstable/testing/stable workflow (meaning, no packages
dropping in testing/stable unless they have been in unstable first),
and this requires some tweaks in the build infra and some tests before
we can go at full speed. That won't take long, I guess.

HTH

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:47:52 +0100
Mark Rousell  wrote:

> On 12/09/2018 05:54, Mark Rousell wrote:
> > Take a look at Postorius and HyperKitty, the new web UI archiver for
> > Mailman3.
> >
> > According to the HyperKitty docs at
> > https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ this is a demo system:
> > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos  
> 
> Doh, sorry. The demo system is at
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/  (NOT the centos link above)

Whoaaa, I take it all back. The DNG archive, even with its randomly
missing emails, is WONDERFUL compared to
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/. Was it created during a
contest to see whose design could use the most space? Postage stamp
icons on emails? Really? This made me realize how good our archive
really is.

Or, as best expressed by Ral Donner in the summer of 1961, "You
don't know what you've got, until you lose it."

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:23:32 -0500
Don Wright  wrote:

> Mark Rousell wrote:
> 
> >Although it's still something of a work in progress, it seems that
> >MM3/Postorius/HyperKitty might be a possible solution in that case.
> >
> >(That said, I've just tested the search function on the MM3 demo
> >system at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ and I have to
> >admit that it seems rather crude so far.)  
> 
> 
> Perhaps [1]this might be a better example of MM3 etc. in action. I
> believe the Mailman 3 team has some involvement.
> 
> [1] https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/

Another one devoted to gobbling screen real estate as fast as possible.

Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this:

http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html

Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching,
even if no built in search feature.
 
SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[golinux]

On 2018-09-13 09:47, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:47:52 +0100
Mark Rousell  wrote:


On 12/09/2018 05:54, Mark Rousell wrote:
> Take a look at Postorius and HyperKitty, the new web UI archiver for
> Mailman3.
>
> According to the HyperKitty docs at
> https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ this is a demo system:
> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Doh, sorry. The demo system is at
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/  (NOT the centos link above)


Whoaaa, I take it all back. The DNG archive, even with its randomly
missing emails, is WONDERFUL compared to
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/. Was it created during a
contest to see whose design could use the most space? Postage stamp
icons on emails? Really? This made me realize how good our archive
really is.

Or, as best expressed by Ral Donner in the summer of 1961, "You
don't know what you've got, until you lose it."

SteveT



Exactly. The hyperkitty interface is reminiscent of our discourse 
misstep. But I did find something interesting there when I searched for 
"Devuan".  Found this in one of the posts.  Is there a rebellion brewing 
in Fedoraland?



Debian--> Devuan
Fedora --> Fedoruan?


If you're interested in exploring a remix like that, see
 (although note that

"Fedoruan"

is probably not acceptable with our trademark guidelines).


golinux




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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:47:16AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:47:52 +0100
> Mark Rousell  wrote:
> 
> > On 12/09/2018 05:54, Mark Rousell wrote:
> > > Take a look at Postorius and HyperKitty, the new web UI archiver for
> > > Mailman3.
> > >
> > > According to the HyperKitty docs at
> > > https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ this is a demo system:
> > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos  
> > 
> > Doh, sorry. The demo system is at
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/  (NOT the centos link above)
> 
> Whoaaa, I take it all back. The DNG archive, even with its randomly
> missing emails, is WONDERFUL compared to
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/. Was it created during a
> contest to see whose design could use the most space? Postage stamp
> icons on emails? Really? This made me realize how good our archive
> really is.
> 

I totally agree on your point, Steve. And even without taking into
account the design choices, the main issue is that the interface is
pretty *slow* and much heavier than lurker...  I guess fixing Lurker
is a far better option ;)

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2018 13 Sep 09:53 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this:
> 
> http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html
> 
> Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching,
> even if no built in search feature.

Yes, that is my preferred format.  To see a real UI disaster, look at
the self-hosted archive of any mailing list hosted by SourceForge.  The
Hamlib mailing list is supposed to archived by GMane, but it has its own
issues going back some months.

- Nate

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[DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Hi all!

I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr was 
upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed for the last 
version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g. youtube and vimeo are 
silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound working again?

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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[golinux]

On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Hi all!

I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
working again?

Nik


Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?

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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 02:36:01PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
> > was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
> > for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
> > youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
> > working again?
> > 
> > Nik
> 
> Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?

Isn't there some kind of pulseaudio emulator?

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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Stefan Krusche]

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 02:36:01PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> > On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
> > > was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
> > > for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
> > > youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
> > > working again?
> > >
> > > Nik
> >
> > Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?
>
> Isn't there some kind of pulseaudio emulator?

Maybe you mean apulse. I haven't used it.

BTW, there's a thread on debian-user about no sound after upgrading firefox-esr 
to 60.2. apulse is also mentioned. Maybe related.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/09/msg00250.html

And a bug report:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908349

Kind regards,
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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Rick Moen]

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):

> I totally agree on your point, Steve. And even without taking into
> account the design choices, the main issue is that the interface is
> pretty *slow* and much heavier than lurker...  I guess fixing Lurker
> is a far better option ;)

Enzo, do I guess correctly that Mailman 2.x / pipermail with add-on
search software was considered and deemed not good enough?  My
suspicion is 'yes' and that there's good reason to so think.

Long decades ago, there was a brief vogue for such search software to
add to Web sites.  I remember that Webglimpse and HtDig were popular
circa 2002.  Here's a list of such things from an academic paper about
them:  

   ASPSeek, BBDBot, Dat- apark, ebhath, Eureka, ht://Dig, Indri, ISearch,
   IXE, Lucene, Managing Gigabytes (MG), MG4J, mnoGoSearch, MPS
   Information Server, Namazu, Nutch, Omega, OmniFind IBM Yahoo! Ed.,
   OpenFTS, PLWeb, SWISH-E, SWISH++, Terrier, WAIS/ freeWAIS,
   WebGlimpse, XML Query Engine, XMLSearch, Zebra, and Zettair.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f751/546cd86faefa2c7a4642166643df4c7cc6af.pdf

I literally never got around to trying running even one of them, ever,
and they seem to be severely out of fashion.

I suspect that trying even a best-of-breed offering would show 
frustrating limits resulting from the serach facility treating mailing
list archives as just a mass of text without taking into account their 
structure.

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[DNG] catch 22 situation with mate?

[Antonio Trkdz.tab]

Hi All,

I would like to bring to your attention this:
I recently wanted to switch from XFCE to MATE.
I installed task-mate-desktop, but I noticed that suspend and shutdown were
missing and generally the system is not in the best state (i.e. no system
tray and other quirks).

I installed elogind and seemed to have solved some problems (suspend etc)
but when I try to install:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:
  caja caja-common debian-mate-default-settings gtk2-engines-pixbuf
gvfs-backends libcaja-extension1 libcdio-cdda1 libcdio-paranoia1
libck-connector0
  libexempi3 libgail-3-0 libgdata-common libgdata22 libgnome-keyring-common
libgnome-keyring0 libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common
  libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libgtop-2.0-10
libgtop2-common libhogweed2:i386 libidn2-0:i386 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18
  libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386 libkrb5support0:i386
libldb1 libmarco-private1 libmate-slab0 libmate-window-settings1
libmatekbd-common
  libmatekbd4 libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 libnettle4:i386 libnfs8
libnghttp2-14:i386 liboauth0 libpsl5:i386 librtmp1:i386 libsmbclient
libssh2-1:i386
  libtevent0 libunique-3.0-0 libunistring0:i386 libwbclient0
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 marco marco-common mate-backgrounds mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-desktop-environment
mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-power-manager-common
mate-session-manager
  mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common mate-themes
python-debian python-httplib2 python-talloc samba-libs task-desktop zenity
zenity-common
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libpam-elogind libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  consolekit libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0
libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 mate-power-manager slim task-mate-desktop
task-xfce-desktop
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 7 to remove and 42 not upgraded.
Need to get 206 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,192 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

Ok, so I tried:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 task-mate-desktop slim
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
slim is already the newest version (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2).
task-mate-desktop is already the newest version (3.39+devuan1.9).
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 slim : Depends: consolekit but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

and if I try:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 task-mate-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
task-mate-desktop is already the newest version (3.39+devuan1.9).
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 task-mate-desktop : Depends: slim but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

How I can solve this? I am asking because I have other installation of mate
working with slim and elogind.
Sorry for the length of this email ant thanks in advance.

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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[golinux]

On 2018-09-13 16:09, Stefan Krusche wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom:

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 02:36:01PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
> > was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
> > for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
> > youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
> > working again?
> >
> > Nik
>
> Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?

Isn't there some kind of pulseaudio emulator?


Maybe you mean apulse. I haven't used it.

BTW, there's a thread on debian-user about no sound after upgrading 
firefox-esr

to 60.2. apulse is also mentioned. Maybe related.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/09/msg00250.html

And a bug report:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908349

Kind regards,
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Don't you know that's not a bug but a feature.  :rolleyes:  This change 
has been planned for years so not really news anymore.  apulse is in the 
ascii repos.  I have not tried it yet though.


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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:49:35AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:10:04PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> > On 2018-09-10 20:51, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in some
> > > > documentation I'm writing,  but this email is not in the mail archive,
> > > > or at least I can't find it there. The archive seems to contain no
> > > > messaged from 8/8/2018 through 8/16/2008.
> > > > 
> > > > SteveT
> > > 
> > > Are the missing messages available on gmane using usenet protocols?
> > > 
> > > -- hendrik
> > > 
> > 
> > It seems the same ones are missing here. I was unable to find the mail
> > announcing the fork on 2014-11-27.  I assume it pulls from mailman. But
> > perhaps your search fu is better than mine:
> > 
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/
> > 
> > We need to find a mail list server and archiver that works.  Suggestions are
> > welcome.
> > 
> 
> OK, let's put the drama down. The mail list server (mailman) works,
> and very well indeed. There is just a bug in lurker (the program that
> puts together the web archive), due to a hash collision on certain
> kinds of messages. If anybody with a bit of experience in C/C++ has
> time to dedicate to it, I can explain what needs to be done to fix it.

I can take a look.  But my time is limited, and I can't guarantee being 
able to finish the job.  What needs to be done?

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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Stefan Krusche]

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
> Don't you know that's not a bug but a feature.  :rolleyes:  This change
> has been planned for years so not really news anymore.  apulse is in the
> ascii repos.  I have not tried it yet though.

No, I didn't, but I can imagine that. I don't use firefox since quite a while 
and have no need for pulseaudio, so my system wasn't affected. I've read about 
apulse on this list and just pointed to the references in case that might help.

Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb Stefan Krusche:
> Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 02:36:01PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> > > On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > Hi all!
> > > >
> > > > I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
> > > > was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
> > > > for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
> > > > youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
> > > > working again?
> > > >
> > > > Nik
> > >
> > > Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?
> >
> > Isn't there some kind of pulseaudio emulator?
> 
> Maybe you mean apulse. I haven't used it.
> 
> BTW, there's a thread on debian-user about no sound after upgrading 
> firefox-esr 
> to 60.2. apulse is also mentioned. Maybe related.
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/09/msg00250.html
> 
> And a bug report:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908349
> 
> Kind regards,
> Stefan

Hi!

Well, I have pulseaudio installed, but sound does not work. I've also tried 
apulse, but it didnt work either.

Nik


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Re: [DNG] firefox-esr: no sound after dist-upgrade

[Dr. Nikolaus Klepp]

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
> On 2018-09-13 14:08, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > I just did a dist-upgrade on my ascii box. Unfortunately firefox-esr
> > was upgraded to 60.2.0. Pulseaudio is installed - it was also needed
> > for the last version. But firefox 60.2.0 does not play any sound, e.g.
> > youtube and vimeo are silent. Does anybody know how to get the sound
> > working again?
> > 
> > Nik
> 
> Isn't that where pulseaudio became mandatory?

Yes. But with or without pulseaudio: firefox is silent.

Nik



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Re: [DNG] catch 22 situation with mate?

[Antonio Volpicelli]

Hi,
Try this:

http://hezeh.org/mate-desktop-on-devuan-ascii/


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Data: gio 13 set 2018 23:39
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CC:
Oggetto:[DNG] catch 22 situation with mate?

Hi All,

I would like to bring to your attention this:
I recently wanted to switch from XFCE to MATE.
I installed task-mate-desktop, but I noticed that suspend and shutdown were 
missing and generally the system is not in the best state (i.e. no system tray 
and other quirks).

I installed elogind and seemed to have solved some problems (suspend etc)
but when I try to install:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  caja caja-common debian-mate-default-settings gtk2-engines-pixbuf 
gvfs-backends libcaja-extension1 libcdio-cdda1 libcdio-paranoia1 
libck-connector0
  libexempi3 libgail-3-0 libgdata-common libgdata22 libgnome-keyring-common 
libgnome-keyring0 libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common
  libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libgtop-2.0-10 
libgtop2-common libhogweed2:i386 libidn2-0:i386 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18
  libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386 libkrb5support0:i386 
libldb1 libmarco-private1 libmate-slab0 libmate-window-settings1 
libmatekbd-common
  libmatekbd4 libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 libnettle4:i386 libnfs8 
libnghttp2-14:i386 liboauth0 libpsl5:i386 librtmp1:i386 libsmbclient 
libssh2-1:i386
  libtevent0 libunique-3.0-0 libunistring0:i386 libwbclient0 
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 marco marco-common mate-backgrounds mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-desktop-environment 
mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-power-manager-common 
mate-session-manager
  mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common mate-themes python-debian 
python-httplib2 python-talloc samba-libs task-desktop zenity zenity-common
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libpam-elogind libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  consolekit libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 
mate-power-manager slim task-mate-desktop task-xfce-desktop
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 7 to remove and 42 not upgraded.
Need to get 206 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,192 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

Ok, so I tried:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 task-mate-desktop slim
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
slim is already the newest version (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2).
task-mate-desktop is already the newest version (3.39+devuan1.9).
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 slim : Depends: consolekit but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

and if I try:

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 task-mate-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
task-mate-desktop is already the newest version (3.39+devuan1.9).
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 task-mate-desktop : Depends: slim but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

How I can solve this? I am asking because I have other installation of mate 
working with slim and elogind.
Sorry for the length of this email ant thanks in advance.

Antonio


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[DNG] New document on Unbound caching DNS server

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

The Unbound DNS server is the new kid on the block. A lot of admins are
replacing BIND9 with Unbound, perhaps plus an authoritative DNS server
for their domain. 

More interesting still, a lot of laptop owners are installing Unbound
to replace their old 8.8.8.8 or per-accesspoint resolvers with a full
caching DNS, which is more secure, faster, and makes for much faster
browsing.

At  http://troubleshooters.com/linux/unbound_nsd/unbound.htm  I've 
created a new document detailing the installation and setup of Unbound,
including:

* Making it useable all across your LAN

* Optimizing for lookup speed with pre-priming and other techniques

* Enabling remote control

* Making DNS forward and reverse resolution of LAN local computers
  available across the LAN, without using a traditional Authoritative
  DNS.

* Landmines and gotchas.

* Forwarding to a traditional authoritative DNS server.

Hope you like it.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Nate Bargmann]

A lot of sites have farmed that out to Google though a few, like the
Emacs Wiki, have farmed it out to Duck Duck Go.

- Nate

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:34:27 -0500
Nate Bargmann  wrote:

> A lot of sites have farmed that out to Google though a few, like the
> Emacs Wiki, have farmed it out to Duck Duck Go.
> 
> - Nate

Hey Rick Moen, let's say it in unison...

U, NO!
 
SteveT

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Re: [DNG] catch 22 situation with mate?

[golinux]

On 2018-09-13 18:02, Antonio Volpicelli wrote:

Hi,
Try this:

http://hezeh.org/mate-desktop-on-devuan-ascii/

_Inviato con LG Mobile_




Why is that not available via the Devuan repos?

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Mark Rousell]

On 13/09/2018 15:52, Steve Litt wrote:
> Another one devoted to gobbling screen real estate as fast as possible.
>
> Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this:
>
> http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html
>
> Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching,
> even if no built in search feature.

I guess the problem is the standard Pipermail display format looks old
and boring nowadays. No matter that it is, as you say, practical and
quite efficient; new and shiny is in. ;-)

The upside is that MM3 is, as I understand it, modular so it should
possible for someone to write a Pipermail-style archive viewer to work
on MM3. Sounds like an interesting project to learn Python, actually.


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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[golinux]

On 2018-09-13 21:09, Mark Rousell wrote:


No matter that it is, as you say, practical and
quite efficient; new and shiny is in. ;-)

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Not in my world . . . SNS is banished here,

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:09:12 +0100
Mark Rousell  wrote:

> On 13/09/2018 15:52, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Another one devoted to gobbling screen real estate as fast as
> > possible.
> >
> > Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this:
> >
> > http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html
> >
> > Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching,
> > even if no built in search feature.  
> 
> I guess the problem is the standard Pipermail display format looks old
> and boring nowadays. No matter that it is, as you say, practical and
> quite efficient; new and shiny is in. ;-)

This is DNG. DNG is much less likely to sacrifice utility for artistry
than the general public.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 03:09:12AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 13/09/2018 15:52, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Another one devoted to gobbling screen real estate as fast as possible.
> >
> > Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this:
> >
> > http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html
> >
> > Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching,
> > even if no built in search feature.
> 
> I guess the problem is the standard Pipermail display format looks old
> and boring nowadays. No matter that it is, as you say, practical and
> quite efficient; new and shiny is in. ;-)

Nope. The pipermail interface is suit for purpose, except for the lack
of a search-content facility.

Interfaces are not meant to "entertain" bored users, but to help
conveying information :)

HND

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