Re: [DNG] keys & subsystems
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..or "make do with whatever you have onboard" in new "creative" ways. > > ..people has played music on printers and harddisks produced to print > oud documents and store data, by hacking them in new creative ways, > for decades. Yes, but that's someone with access to the hardware doing it - and hardly a general purpose way of communicating without the user realising. IMO this thread has strayed rather a long way into tinfoil hat territory ... However, there is a practical (or at least, possible) way for a storage device (eg SSD) to "phone home". Since it holds the bootloader and the OS, then in theory it could examine the contents of that, and feed in it's own shim before the main OS and sit there as this undetectable layer between the OS and the hardware, or just add in it's own bit of code to the OS (though code signing might break with that). That would probably work as a very targeted attack (and lets be honest, if you are of that much interest to the TLAs then you have bigger problems to worry about) where the target environment is well understood, but in the general case I think it would be more work than is justified. Just think of all the compatibility issues it would be likely to cause - getting that model of drive a bad reputation for crashing the systems. Even where it's a highly targeted attack, it would almost certainly be easier to simply "borrow" your laptop and copy the data from it than it would be to somehow persuade you to buy and fit a compromised new SSD ! At some point you have to put the paranoia on hold and get on with life ;-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] keys & subsystems
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 at 05:08:30 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 02:28:52 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > <20180729022852.5208a5ca@ayu.localdomain>: > >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 15:28:56 +0200 >> Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:07:53 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message >>> <20180728100753.4ff8dd7c@ayu.localdomain>: >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 14:17:14 -0500 Eric Lee Elliott wrote: [...] > like > memory sticks are know to have internal computers. How do Devuan > users know the SSD is not calling home How could they possibly do it? >>> >>> ..using any available networking hw in a non-standard way that flies >>> under our radars. >> >> How could it access a different piece of hardware on the system >> bypassing the kernel? > > ..e.g. using part of a binary "lose weight ad" crafted to do this. Which means you'd need *this* binary to do the actual "dirty work". So, what would you need the SSD-embedded binary to do that your "lose weight ad" binary could not do? Do you think they have a WiFi embedded? >>> >>> ..always possible, in some non-standard form to fly under our >>> radars. >> >> All I can think of is having the device emit a given noise (EM or >> mechanical) that a device could pick up and decode. But you'd need an >> external device. > > ..or "make do with whatever you have onboard" in new "creative" ways. That is? > ..people has played music on printers and harddisks produced to print > oud documents and store data, by hacking them in new creative ways, > for decades. Yes, I know. Why do you think that poses a security threat? Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] keys & subsystems
Le 28/07/2018 à 09:32, KatolaZ a écrit : On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 02:17:14PM -0500, Eric Lee Elliott wrote: How can I make hardware keys work in a Thinkpad T500? Vol+, Vol- & Mute are only ones I would use. In other Linux distros the mute, vol+ & vol - keys work. A link to a way would be good enough for me. I wrote a small HOWTO a few months ago about using F5-F6 to control brightness: http://kalos.mine.nu/bright/ but a similar procedure can be used for any control, with few adjustments. Most of the trick is in understanding which event is generated by each button. Shout if you need further help. HTH KatolaZ Hi. I tried it:, hitting fn+f5 gives the following: root@apcnb98:/etc/acpi# acpi_listen ^[[15~ Hitting some keys produce a message similar to the one you say, bus most keys produce no output or one similar to the above. Some have an effect though, such as putting the laptop in sleep mode, which I understand. The association with the character sequence produced by the key and the button name must be configured somewhere. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > situation. How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm certain will get to him and not his parasites. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his situation. How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm certain will get to him and not his parasites. "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this project going." ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware 14.2-64 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 08:39:45AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 > > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > > > He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his > > > situation. > > > > How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How > > comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? > > > > I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm > > certain will get to him and not his parasites. > > > "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 > Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to > everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this > project going." > ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt Looks legit. I have donated as well. Slackware cannot die. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
