Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > Good sources Who / where? > > tell me we need our own kernel, > > Why? What's wrong with the available ones? > > > Alessandro Antony. -- "Measuring average network latency is about as useful as measuring the mean temperature of patients in a hospital." - Stéphane Bortzmeyer Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Home server replacement hardware suggestions?
Just to add that I run a couple of HP Microservers (one for general home server, one for MythTV) that I picked up when they had some tasty cashback offers. At my last place, we put a few of them in for customers where we needed a small basic server for something. Not exactly the highest speck server around, but not the worst either : AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo N36L Dual-Core Processor Up to 8G ECC RAM 4 tray loading 3 1/2" SATA bays, plus a 5 1/4" bay with SATA, and an eSATA port. 2 low profile PCIe slots, IIRC one x16 and can't remember the size of the other. Built in gigabit ethernet No idea what the graphics capabilities are like (built in VGA output) as I only run a text console on them. IIRC, when I measured power consumption, it was 40-something watts for a machine with 3 HDs and two DVB-T tuners (HVR1350). Fairly quiet, it's about a 10" cube with a large fan in the back - so it doesn't sound like a jet engine winding up. My biggest gripe with them is the huge very bright blue HP logo (turns orange if management utils installed and there's a fault) on the front - I put a couple of layers of blue tape over them to tone it down a bit ! IIRC with the Gen 8 model, not only did they "jazz up" the front panel, but they put an Intel processor in. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 02:25 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Good sources Who / where? You have to do a lot of reading, the information is out there going back to 2012 the main source is wanted by usa and has been given a gag order by his keepers or will be forced to leave his protected living quarters. tell me we need our own kernel, Why? What's wrong with the available ones? I'm a hardware guy, taught in Silicon Valley, built fist computer '75-'76, my fist job was a startup in Santa Clara, I worked R&D until successful completion and I like taking things apart and maybe building something better since I was a child. In my head I can see how systemd works and it's a computer system inside your computer, creating virtual hardware and controlling your installed software, why? It's really simple, your computer is not only working for you the user but outside sources too, not something the average user would know about or the ability to do something about. Okay, maybe I'm not the average user, but I am a user just the same and not a developer, nor do I have the ability to roll my own kernel. It's known that the CIA was injecting a backdoor in kernel v.2.6 and now we are dealing with the NSA, Intel, Microsoft and RedHat. 'IF' our existing kernel has a backdoor client in it there is nothing 'I' can do about it, but sources say I need to roll my own kernel. It's the only way to stop this war on privacy invasion. Neutering software is one thing, but the war will continue until we get rid of the backdoor. Devuan needs it a kernel expert, better yet a kernel team of experts. Thoughts? Volunteers? -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
Hi Jimmy, El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: Thoughts? Volunteers? I also would like to see devuan including its own kernel. I can help on packaging stuff. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi Jimmy, > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: >> Thoughts? Volunteers? > > I also would like to see devuan including its own kernel. I can help > on packaging stuff. > > Aitor. > > > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you install? Or leave out? Grtz. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
Hi again, El 08/07/18 a las 23:49, info at smallinnovations dot nl escribió: I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you install? Or leave out? I would leave out binary blobs :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Jimmy, El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: Thoughts? Volunteers? I also would like to see devuan including its own kernel. I can help on packaging stuff. Aitor. I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you install? Or leave out? I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Sun, 2018-07-08 at 14:24 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/08/2018 02:25 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> Good sources > > > > Who / where? > > > You have to do a lot of reading, the information is out there going back > to 2012 the main source is wanted by usa and has been given a gag order > by his keepers or will be forced to leave his protected living quarters. > > >>> tell me we need our own kernel, > >> > >>Why? What's wrong with the available ones? > > > I'm a hardware guy, taught in Silicon Valley, built fist computer > '75-'76, my fist job was a startup in Santa Clara, I worked R&D until > successful completion and I like taking things apart and maybe building > something better since I was a child. > > In my head I can see how systemd works and it's a computer system inside > your computer, creating virtual hardware and controlling your installed > software, why? It's really simple, your computer is not only working > for you the user but outside sources too, not something the average user > would know about or the ability to do something about. Okay, maybe I'm > not the average user, but I am a user just the same and not a developer, > nor do I have the ability to roll my own kernel. It's known that the CIA > was injecting a backdoor in kernel v.2.6 and now we are dealing with the > NSA, Intel, Microsoft and RedHat. 'IF' our existing kernel has a > backdoor client in it there is nothing 'I' can do about it, but sources > say I need to roll my own kernel. It's the only way to stop this war on > privacy invasion. Neutering software is one thing, but the war will > continue until we get rid of the backdoor. Devuan needs it a kernel > expert, better yet a kernel team of experts. > > Thoughts? Volunteers? The war on privacy will continue, so I'll suggest to take sustainable positions. The need of control and 'power' in some people, and the need to follow orders in others, stands ingrained in their psychological makeup, adequately documented by Bob Altmeyer asynchronousexchange.com/resources/the-authoritarians.pdf Regards -- Elbrus Kondratiev ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 00:52:48, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about > a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. If there is a backdoor, and he denies it, then he's hiding something. If he's not hiding anything, and he denies there's a backdoor, then there isn't one. Please take your pick of logic. > Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened > to expose what is in there? http://kernel.org > Something way over my head. > Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? > Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? I think you're confusing the Linux kernel with GNU/Linux distributions. You might as well start looking at Android, if the Linux kernel is what's bothering you. Antony. -- I have an excellent memory. I can't think of a single thing I've forgotten. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 04:17 PM, Antony Stone wrote: On Monday 09 July 2018 at 00:52:48, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. If there is a backdoor, and he denies it, then he's hiding something. If he's not hiding anything, and he denies there's a backdoor, then there isn't one. Please take your pick of logic. You're talking about something logical and what is going on is not logical, it's pure evil. Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? http://kernel.org Something way over my head. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? I think you're confusing the Linux kernel with GNU/Linux distributions. You might as well start looking at Android, if the Linux kernel is what's bothering you. And I think you're trying to confuse the subject and not at all making any attempt at being helpful. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:52:48 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be > opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. I'll admit it has become complicated and it is now a while since I've compiled my own kernel from sources, but my suggestion is that you try to do so. AFAIK, you can craft your own kernel as much as you like, mnay times and until you actually 'install it and reboot' onto it there is no danger. Before you do that, increase the response time out on your mobo/device boot up to allow plenty of time to choose the prior image if there is a problem. Sadly, I'm speaking from the view point of desktop yumcha stuff. Last time I did it, there was a basic gui script that just folded in the various sections you didn't want to fiddle with. > Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? > Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? Just use the Debian kernel sources for starters. they are going to be the closest to Eric's eyes(?) dream. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 04:46 PM, terryc wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:52:48 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. I'll admit it has become complicated and it is now a while since I've compiled my own kernel from sources, but my suggestion is that you try to do so. AFAIK, you can craft your own kernel as much as you like, mnay times and until you actually 'install it and reboot' onto it there is no danger. Before you do that, increase the response time out on your mobo/device boot up to allow plenty of time to choose the prior image if there is a problem. Sadly, I'm speaking from the view point of desktop yumcha stuff. Last time I did it, there was a basic gui script that just folded in the various sections you didn't want to fiddle with. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? Just use the Debian kernel sources for starters. they are going to be the closest to Eric's eyes(?) dream. I know people who roll kernels and they don't trust themselves to apply a security patch. If you can roll a kernel I will test it for you on a few different computers, how about a ASCII kernel to start? I have systems ready and waiting to try the new kernel. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/07/2018 05:03 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Good sources tell me we need our own kernel, Why? What's wrong with the available ones? Devuan is there someone that can at lest look at the Debian kernel? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 05:55:29PM -0500, Эльбрус Кондратьев wrote: > > The war on privacy will continue, so I'll suggest to take sustainable > positions. The need of control and 'power' in some people, and the need > to follow orders in others, stands ingrained in their psychological > makeup, adequately documented by Bob Altmeyer > asynchronousexchange.com/resources/the-authoritarians.pdf Excellent book. He sums up, for the layman, his life's research. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] is there a problem with package signing?
During and after my upgade to ascii, when I try to install packages I consistently get messages like WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! lighttpd Install these packages without verification? [y/N] Is there something wrong with pakage signing? My apt-sources are from pkgmaster.devuan.org, and I did install the devuan-keyring, version 2017.10.03. Aptitude doesn't seem to think there's a newer version. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] who's tying up my port 80?
I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. How can I find out what's attached to this port? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] is there a problem with package signing?
On 07/08/2018 06:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: During and after my upgade to ascii, when I try to install packages I consistently get messages like WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! lighttpd Install these packages without verification? [y/N] Is there something wrong with pakage signing? My apt-sources are from pkgmaster.devuan.org, and I did install the devuan-keyring, version 2017.10.03. Aptitude doesn't seem to think there's a newer version. -- hendrik I think if you run # apt update you will be asked if you want to trust Devuan. That's apt update not apt-get update. Also make sure you have the devuan.keyring installed. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] is there a problem with package signing?
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 06:17:51PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/08/2018 06:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > During and after my upgade to ascii, > > when I try to install packages > > I consistently get messages like > > > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! > >lighttpd > > Install these packages without verification? [y/N] > > > > Is there something wrong with pakage signing? > > My apt-sources are from pkgmaster.devuan.org, > > and I did install the devuan-keyring, version 2017.10.03. > > Aptitude doesn't seem to think there's a newer version. By the way, is 2017.10.03 really the latest version? > > > > -- hendrik > > > I think if you run # apt update you will be asked if you want to trust > Devuan. Did that. It didn't ask. And told me there wre eight packaes that could be upgraded. None of them look relevant. Just routing security upgrades for browsers, exiv2, gir1.2-soup. libexiv2, libsoup-gnome2.4, and libsoup2. Then I looked at the entire /etc/apt directory. april:/farhome/hendrik# ls /etc/apt apt.conf sources.listsources.list.etch64 trusted.gpg~ apt.conf.d sources.list~ sources.list.sid trusted.gpg.d preferences.d sources.list.d trusted.gpg april:/farhome/hendrik# sources.list.d is empty. But I seem to have some ancient files ni /etc/apt. As far as I know, the package management commands shouls look only in sources.list and the files (which aren't there) in sources.list.d I'll delete the etch64 and sid versions just in case. OO > That's apt update not apt-get update. Also make sure you have the > devuan.keyring installed. > -- > Jimmy Johnson > > Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 > Registered Linux User #380263 > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] nonexistent partition as swap drive.
update-initramfs sets a nonexistent disk as a swap device. update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=/dev/hdc1 W: but no matching swap device is available. There hasn't been an hdc drive for ages. The hd drives are all sd drives now. How is this configured? How can I tell it otherwise? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:12:12PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. > > How can I find out what's attached to this port? man ss ss -lp46 -- // If you believe in so-called "intellectual property", please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory prices. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 01:52 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk > about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. If you watch the video of when he was asked that question up front at a conference there is a clear "no" sound from him occurring at the same time he vigorously nods his head, leaving the answer ambiguous for now. Though it was from the time before backdoors, I would still like to see a copy of Gary Kildall's book. A lot of today's troubles still stem from that earlier time. The stakes at the level Torvalds is at are very high. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 01:17:58 +0200, Antony wrote in message <201807090117.58753.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Monday 09 July 2018 at 00:52:48, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk > > about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about > > one. > > If there is a backdoor, and he denies it, then he's hiding something. > > If he's not hiding anything, and he denies there's a backdoor, then > there isn't one. > > Please take your pick of logic. ..you in both cases assume Linus does know. The 3'rd and 4'th options are he's telling us all what he believes is the truth, right or wrong. ..in any of these 4 cases, creating a backup etc Devuan kernel is an useful exercise. It's just like wearing your seat belt in vehicles or having atropine handy when you feel weirdly sick for no good reason. ..today, Charles Robert Darwin would conclude "the fittest are the most paranoid." ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] nonexistent partition as swap drive.
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:46:45PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > update-initramfs sets a nonexistent disk as a swap device. Check /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] simple-netaid-gtk is comming soon
Hi all, I recently pushed the latest sources of simple-netaid-gtk, adding some features to the backend: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk/tree/master You will need to install some packages like libgtkmm-3, libiw-dev, ethtool, isc-dhcp-client, cmake... Just run the "./build" file. The usage() function of the backend still is not defined. You can test the following options: ./backend 0 0 -> gives the name of the wired network device ./backend 0 1 -> gives the name of the wireless network device ./backend 0 2 -> gives a detailed information about the status of the network connection ./backend 1 -> lists all the available active wifis The required changes in the frontend are still pending to be done. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?
On 07/08/2018 06:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. How can I find out what's attached to this port? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I'd run this command: sudo lsof -nP | grep TCP | grep :80 You may need to install lsof first ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
