Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community with an unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he must come in using specific protocols, and on a relatively slow wire. In the latter case, he sets up an alternative OS instance to brute-force scan the system at a speed orders of magnitude faster. SteveT Hi Steve, nice to see you here! What I'm wondering is if the software stored on gethub is insured or store at your own risk? I'm trying to find motive, there are other data storage things going on with MS besides gethub and heaven forbid what I see forming. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 23:47:51 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message : > On 06/05/2018 09:52 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: > > On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your > >> post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, > >> yesterday and today. > > > > There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, > > too. Note that it is entirely possible that this hatred of > > Microsoft is justified. In fact I know it *is* understandable for > > many things that Microsoft has done. But the key point in this > > particular context is that it does exist. > > > > And so I use the word "hate" in this context solely because it the > > *correct word*. > > > > I say again that I understand this hatred for Microsoft. ...as all the really good and expensive lobbyists do. ;o) > > I think I get it, what you're saying, you think we are being childish > and trowing a tantrum. You think we are not being logical. Mad, > angry, annoyed, irritated are logical but hatred is in no way logical. ..I find it logical, if somewhat vitriolic, it is after all reflective hatred and comes from 1'st party experience, unless you're wise enough to learn from other people's experiences, it is after all, all part of the due diligence you should have done instead. > > It's just not > > an attitude that I share, despite also despising many of the things > > that Microsoft has done or is still doing (you mentioned Windows > > 10's spyware and this is one of the things that angers me). Nor am > > I a particular fan of Microsoft. > > > Nope, wasn't me. I DO hang with people who develop and talk all > aspects of windows, but I'm retired and have not used, worked on or > own windows 10, but what I do think is that the operating system > itself, including it's safe-boot are malware. It's now close to > 20yrs since microsoft announced,(if you have windows installed) "we > own your computer". All they need to do now is get your social > security number and take the money out of your bank for the illegal > install of windows on a persons computer. Can they do that? ..grey area, by law, nope most places, but then there's that "third party software" language in their EULAs that most people click "Ok" thru on without reading that small print on ownership of their "own" daughter's virginity etc, etc, etc. > I simply try to be dispassionate when analysing businesses > > and business dealings. > > > As you say it's just business. So Bill Gates is in pharmaceuticals > now and he's a humanitarian for curing disease some place out of the > usa in small poor foreign countries, what a guy! Truth be told, he > could not get permission to test the drug here in the usa. But media > made it read just like another microsoft commercial and what the > public sees. Yes, what a guy, what a business model. ..also makes him "a nice guy" in politics and gave him access to Norwegian oil money. He' good at this, he grew up in a family of lawyers. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 23:43:12 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20180606034312.ga24...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 04:38:59AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 18:50:10 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > <20180605225010.gc12...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:06:39 +0200, Alexander wrote in message > > > > <20180605140639.ga7...@gxis.de>: > > > > > > > > > ...on Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:55:33PM -0400, Hendrik Boom > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > GPE was last seen packaged in Debian wheezy. I *might* be > > > > > > able to find an old wheezy installation, but I'm not sure > > > > > > it will still run. > > > > > > > > ..what package name? > > > > > > gpe-calendar, for the one I'm most concerned with. > > > > ..you found it?: > > https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gpe-calendar or > > http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/g/gpe-calendar/ > > > > ..or did I only find some old rotten bits of junk? > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gpe-calendar > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=oldstable;package=gpe-calendar > > > > You found a little more than I did. Running this package on a wheezy > system is probably the easiest way to read the calendar. But > exporting it to a modern file format is likely another matter. ..pipe it's output thru cat, tac, cut, netcat etc to chop up your calendar database into nice wee text bits that can be "hand fed" into your next calendar etc database. Ideally automagically, if you can, there is a nice big market for such expensive services, commonly caused by "vendor lock-in." ;o) ..beware of empty data fields, they may be valid _because_ they are empty. Like my "expertise" on databases ;oD, I ask dumb enough questions to trigger smart enough ideas to get things back up working again. ;o) > I managed to find the wheezy source package. But the way the word ..er, "word" or "world"? > has changed, it may be easiest to use the binary package on a real > wheezy system thatn to try to build the package in a modern system. > > I'm still exploring alternatives before taking action. > > For past events, I'd be happy with a complete, readable text file. I > might be able to write a program to produce that if I find a > compatible version of sqlite, or if current sqlite will upgrade the > db to whatever it uses now. > > For future events, I could hand-enter them into a new calendar system > -- preferably one that lets me export everything into a readable > form, and which I can sync across devices with something relemblig > revision control. ..netcat "hand feeding" git "hand feeding" postgresql? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:27:16 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20180606112716.7b592585@d44>: > ...as all the really good and expensive lobbyists do. ;o) ..he's getting there: http://www.lfg.co/tda/strip/225/ ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
Hendrik: ... > You found a little more than I did. Running this package on a wheezy > system is probably the easiest way to read the calendar. But exporting > it to a modern file format is likely another matter. > > I managed to find the wheezy source package. But the way the word has > changed, it may be easiest to use the binary package on a real wheezy > system thatn to try to build the package in a modern system. I have in my archives: gpe-calendar_0.91.orig.tar.gz gpe-calendar_0.92.orig.tar.bz2 in case you want them. The first one gives on configure: No package 'libgpewidget' found No package 'libgpepimc' found No package 'libgpevtype' found No package 'libeventdb' found No package 'esound' found No package 'libxsettings-client' found No package 'libhandoff' found No package 'libsoup-2.2' found No package 'libsoundgen' found No package 'dbus-glib-1' found No package 'libschedule' found > I'm still exploring alternatives before taking action. The best bet is to set up a wheezy system and go from there. > For past events, I'd be happy with a complete, readable text file. I > might be able to write a program to produce that if I find a compatible > version of sqlite, or if current sqlite will upgrade the db to whatever > it uses now. ... There is no dependancy on sqlite: $ find . -type f | xargs grep sql ./ChangeLog:* configure.ac: Remove dependencies on sqlite and mimedir-1.0. ./ChangeLog:(do_import_vevent): Don't open an sqlite session, insert directly ./ChangeLog:* Makefile: Don't link with -lsqlite. Use STANDARD_CFLAGS, ./ChangeLog:* familiar/control1 (Depends): Remove libsqlite0. Add Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 05:52:57 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: > On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your > > post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, > > yesterday and today. > > There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, > too. Mark, Assuming you're not simply a troll, you might want to more carefully pick your battles. You're in a tiny minority here, you've had your say, and apparently convinced nobody. You're fast losing credibility and mindshare. Sometimes this credibility loss is necessary. I've lost tremendous credibility in my fight against systemd, but I view it necessary, and most important, I backed it up with tens or even hundreds of hours of work, including the Manjaro Experiments (google it). I was and am all-in. Do you really want to go all-in defending a proprietary company whose past even you admit is checkered? Is it worth the hit to your reputation? Are you willing to do hours and hours of work showing, technically, your viewpoint? If the answer is "no", why don't you do your reputation a favor and stop posting about this, before your name becomes a synonym of "troll", the way it has for several past inhabitants (now /dev/nulled by most) of this list. Prioritize, and unless this is a top priority, just let it go. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:57:14 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system > > remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he > > must come in using specific protocols, and on a relatively slow > > wire. In the latter case, he sets up an alternative OS instance to > > brute-force scan the system at a speed orders of magnitude faster. > > > > SteveT > > > Hi Steve, nice to see you here! > > What I'm wondering is if the software stored on gethub is insured or > store at your own risk? I don't know, but have always assumed it's at one's own risk. On GitHub, or any other "cloud" resource, read the terms of service. After all their "we're not responsible" and indemnification clauses, you're more likely to be civilly liable for someone else's data loss than to have the vendor or anybody else pay you for their negligent loss of your data. All fans of "the cloud" should read all the TOS agreements before signing on. SteveT Steve Litt June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 2018-06-06 01:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote: As you say it's just business. So Bill Gates is in pharmaceuticals now and he's a humanitarian for curing disease some place out of the usa in small poor foreign countries, what a guy! Truth be told, he could not get permission to test the drug here in the usa. But media made it read just like another microsoft commercial and what the public sees. Yes, what a guy, what a business model. FWIW, he also pushes GMOs into the third world. How philanthropic of him! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 2018-06-05 22:18, Mark Rousell wrote: On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you just hear the bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening and where he's coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp buying into this very transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No fish are biting here . . . Oh good grief. The above is pure fantasy. Is it? I've been a member of this mailing list since 25th Oct 2015 according to my records. I've not commented before recently because well... I've just not got round to it and I had nothing to add previously. Sorry about that! The fact that you chose the MS github acquisition for your grand entrance is very telling. This is after all the DEVUAN mailing list. And as Steve noted, you are just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. Are you even using Devuan? And in three years had absolutely nothing to say or share about it? Is anyone going to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife yet? ;-) That is a very telling response. Why would the subject of wife beating even be in your consciousness? What you are beating here is a dead horse. Time to move on. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ancient data recovery: GPE calendar
On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:42:44PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Hendrik: > ... > > You found a little more than I did. Running this package on a wheezy > > system is probably the easiest way to read the calendar. But exporting > > it to a modern file format is likely another matter. > > > > I managed to find the wheezy source package. But the way the word has > > changed, it may be easiest to use the binary package on a real wheezy > > system thatn to try to build the package in a modern system. > > I have in my archives: > gpe-calendar_0.91.orig.tar.gz > gpe-calendar_0.92.orig.tar.bz2 I have the second one, too. But I'm likey to have to find more before I can do anything with it. > in case you want them. > > The first one gives on configure: > No package 'libgpewidget' found > No package 'libgpepimc' found > No package 'libgpevtype' found > No package 'libeventdb' found > No package 'esound' found > No package 'libxsettings-client' found > No package 'libhandoff' found > No package 'libsoup-2.2' found > No package 'libsoundgen' found > No package 'dbus-glib-1' found > No package 'libschedule' found Yes, that's the kind of 'more' I'll need, > > > I'm still exploring alternatives before taking action. > > The best bet is to set up a wheezy system and go from there. Very likely. -- hendrik > > > For past events, I'd be happy with a complete, readable text file. I > > might be able to write a program to produce that if I find a compatible > > version of sqlite, or if current sqlite will upgrade the db to whatever > > it uses now. > ... > > There is no dependancy on sqlite: > $ find . -type f | xargs grep sql > ./ChangeLog:* configure.ac: Remove dependencies on sqlite and mimedir-1.0. Interesting. > ./ChangeLog:(do_import_vevent): Don't open an sqlite session, insert > directly > ./ChangeLog:* Makefile: Don't link with -lsqlite. Use STANDARD_CFLAGS, > ./ChangeLog:* familiar/control1 (Depends): Remove libsqlite0. Add -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
