[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 12/03/2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-03-11 14:08, Edward Bartolo wrote: > [snip] > > Edward, I'm happy to hear that you've found something that suits you. > But now I'm wondering what you were previously seeing. > > This is the Jessie (purpy) default login screen: > https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_jessie.png > > And this is the ASCII (darkpurpy) default login screen. > https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png > Neither of the two files, slim_jessie.png and slim_ascii.png, are identical to what I had as background for slim. > I have no way of knowing whether you're on Jessie or ASCII I am on ASCII which has been installed and functioning for several months. Excuse me for my leaky memory but I do not remember exactly when I had it installed or distupgraded. If my wetware serves me right, my path of installation was, first an installation of Debian, then a conversion to Devuan. For some reason, both debootstrap and the Devuan installer did not work, so I had to resort to install Debian first. I am attaching a screenshot that I scaled down by 25% to save space on the servers. It is clear something is not not well understood with my setup. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:59:34PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: [cut] > Steve, I appreciate your comments but you are really late to this party. > The ASCII slim theme was finished in December and the layout and font sizing > are identical to the one in Jessie which is about a year ago. The slim panel > has also been posted to this list maybe a dozen times in the last year. So > the Jessie and ASCII ship have sailed. I'll have a look at enlarging the > font when I start on Beowulf but there will be no fussy buttons (for both > technical and aesthetic reasons). > Sorry for interrupting. I am the least "graphically-sensible" here, but I guess we should try to make the default Devuan desktop as accessible as possible to visually-impaired users. I have no clue about how system fonts are managed in XFCE, but it shouldn't be impossible to have two icons in the default desktop to set the font to +4 and +8 points. Something we should definitely plan around for Beowulf, indeed. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
This is just to remind everyone that wicd isn't necessary - at least if it doesn't provide anything more than wifi config. I've been living without it - and without network-manager - for many years. All I need is wpa_spplicant and wpa_gui. Put the following line in wpa_supplicant.conf: ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=dialout update_config=1 Then make yourself a member of group dialout Put the following in your /etc/network/interfaces - I know it's deprecated, but it just works. allow-hotplug wlan0 auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet manual wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf iface default inet dhcp Now everytime you want to connect to a new wifi station, open wpa_gui; it's intuitive. If you want wpa_supplicant to remember that station, then save the config. If you have both Ethernet and wifi, then you also need ifplugd. I know it's potterware, but it works and is still not infected by the disease. Done. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:41:09 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > This is just to remind everyone that wicd isn't necessary - at > least if it doesn't provide anything more than wifi config. > > I've been living without it - and without network-manager - for > many years. All I need is wpa_spplicant and wpa_gui. > > Put the following line in wpa_supplicant.conf: > > ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=dialout > update_config=1 > > Then make yourself a member of group dialout > > Put the following in your /etc/network/interfaces - I know it's > deprecated, but it just works. > > allow-hotplug wlan0 > auto wlan0 > iface wlan0 inet manual > wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf > > iface default inet dhcp > > Now everytime you want to connect to a new wifi station, open > wpa_gui; it's intuitive. If you want wpa_supplicant to remember that > station, then save the config. > > If you have both Ethernet and wifi, then you also need ifplugd. > I know it's potterware, but it works and is still not infected by the > disease. > > Done. > > Didier Hi Didier, all of what you say is true, but if there is a wicd package, then it needs to work as expected. As for anybody using wicd on Devuan and having slight problems, just feel glad you are not using Ubintu 18.04. This has something called 'systemd.resolved', which, for some unknown reason, puts yet another layer in the resolv stack and refuses to let you change /etc/resolv.conf Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 03/12/2018 04:29 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:59:34PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > [cut] > >> Steve, I appreciate your comments but you are really late to this party. >> The ASCII slim theme was finished in December and the layout and font sizing >> are identical to the one in Jessie which is about a year ago. The slim panel >> has also been posted to this list maybe a dozen times in the last year. So >> the Jessie and ASCII ship have sailed. I'll have a look at enlarging the >> font when I start on Beowulf but there will be no fussy buttons (for both >> technical and aesthetic reasons). >> > > Sorry for interrupting. I am the least "graphically-sensible" here, > but I guess we should try to make the default Devuan desktop as > accessible as possible to visually-impaired users. I have no clue > about how system fonts are managed in XFCE, but it shouldn't be > impossible to have two icons in the default desktop to set the font to > +4 and +8 points. Something we should definitely plan around for > Beowulf, indeed. > We already have two buttons on the desktop for enlarging and reducing the font and icons, thanks to Joerg Reisenweber, but it's only in the desktop-live, and it's only for xfce. I haven't looked at it in a long time, but I think it's ready to be packaged. https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/fontsnaps fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:17:05AM +, Rowland Penny wrote: [cut] > > Hi Didier, all of what you say is true, but if there is a wicd package, > then it needs to work as expected. > > As for anybody using wicd on Devuan and having slight problems, just > feel glad you are not using Ubintu 18.04. This has something called > 'systemd.resolved', which, for some unknown reason, puts yet another > layer in the resolv stack and refuses to let you change > /etc/resolv.conf > Dear Rowland, please try the wicd package available in ascii-proposed. It should work OOTB. The only change is a hard dep on net-tools, which should solve your issue. Please report any problem. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 06:23:25AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: [cut] > > We already have two buttons on the desktop for enlarging and reducing the > font and icons, thanks to Joerg Reisenweber, but it's only in the > desktop-live, and it's only for xfce. I haven't looked at it in a long > time, but I think it's ready to be packaged. > https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/fontsnaps > > Great. Let's do it then. It's a tiny change that costs nothing and makes life a lot easier for many users. We could just package it and include it among the deps of XFCE. Anybody willing to add support for KDE, LXQT, LXDE, MATE, etc in the same package? This is a concrete way to help Devuan. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] rq: show me your power
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 03:02:38AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:59:21 +0100, Adam wrote in message > <20180311235921.aq6uclmmsx2ip...@angband.pl>: > > > Hi! > > If you have a machine with a non-boring power connection (USB, etc) > > or an UPS that's recognized by the kernel (rather than just nut), > > please ls /sys/class/power_supply/ -- if you see anything other than > > "ac" or "battery" there, please send me that data. > > ..I have one laptop with "AC0", one with "AC", both with "BAT0". > Both my Raspberry Pis have empty /sys/class/power_supply link > trees, 3 pipe mails mailed in case you can use them. That's the common case, that's handled well by any tool I looked at: * laptops with exactly one AC and exactly one battery * desktops/servers/boards with no power sensors of any kind Systemd knows about multiple AC/multiple batteries, current powermgmt-base also about old style not yet converted drivers (Powerbooks, ancient i386); what I'm interested in are more exotic new style cases. > > grep . /sys/class/power_supply/*/* | mail -s power kilob...@angband.pl Your local MTA is not capable of delivering outgoing mail (that's the default unless configured); unless you have some other purpose, don't bother fixing this for my sake (your machines are already handled well). Thanks for looking! Meow. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to > give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design. > > [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ Are there plans to port Devuan to PPC? It souldn't be too difficult: there is a Debian and an Ubuntu for PPC... Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL/ E-MAIL: posthams...@sublink.sublink.org / \ AND POSTINGS/ WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:34:19PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to > > give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware > > design. > > > > [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ > > Are there plans to port Devuan to PPC? It souldn't be too difficult: > there is a Debian and an Ubuntu for PPC... > Hi Luciano, the main issue is that we basically have no PPC build hosts available. If we had (and if there is a bunch of users interested in testing that stuff out), we could definitely provide PPC support. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
Le 12/03/2018 à 12:34, Luciano Mannucci a écrit : On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design. [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ Are there plans to port Devuan to PPC? It souldn't be too difficult: there is a Debian and an Ubuntu for PPC... Unfortunately the situation of Debian for Powerpc isn't very clear. There is a split between 32-bit, 64-bit, little-endian and big-endian, plus the powerpcspe architecture from Freescale, and I think most of these arches, if not all, are not longer official Debian arches, but have only the status of "ports". AFAIK, IBM only supports Linux for the most recent 64 bit arch. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:17:05 +, Rowland wrote in message <20180312101705.7dca7...@devstation.samdom.example.com>: > Hi Didier, all of what you say is true, but if there is a wicd > package, then it needs to work as expected. ...and if it doesn't, a nice big warning should wake up the user and recommend a viable work-around. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)
Hi, goli...@dyne.org writes: > On 2018-03-11 07:43, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> goli...@dyne.org writes: >> >>> On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi again, [...] Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark shade of grey that is used now. >>> >>> Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock >>> from >>> the repos instead. It has nice config options that allow for >>> foreground >>> and background color choice. As far as making that the default option >>> . >>> . . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that. It's not really a >>> priority >>> in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be >>> included in some release notes for the final release. >> > > I was a little slow to realize something . . . the default Xfce panel > background color is #EDECEB (off-white) so the darker font color works > on that. The problem only arises when the user has chosen a darker > color for the panel background (which I do). So it will be up to the > user to sort this out. I might post something on the forum about this. > > Apologies for the confusion. This made me realize something. I've set my panels to be transparent so the clock displays "directly" on the background ... doh! Guess my issue is of my own making but on purpy things were clearly visible. On darkpurpy you can see it only if you know where to look and look real hard. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 01:03:50PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:17:05 +, Rowland wrote in message > <20180312101705.7dca7...@devstation.samdom.example.com>: > > > Hi Didier, all of what you say is true, but if there is a wicd > > package, then it needs to work as expected. > > ...and if it doesn't, a nice big warning should wake up the user > and recommend a viable work-around. > OK, message got, we inherited a bug from Debian stretch, we are sorry for that, but having a Beta of ASCII was intended to identify and solve such glitches :) Would you please mind testing the wicd package available in ascii-proposed, and report any regression and any success, so that we can include it in the forthcoming ASCII RC? Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)
Hi, KatolaZ writes: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 09:43:40PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> I do my agenda and task scheduling with Org-mode so have no real need >> for Orage. The only reason I still have it installed is because I've >> been too lazy to get serious about APT::Install-Recommends=false and >> ditch the task-xfce-desktop and xfce4 meta-packages :-P >> > > Man, if you are using org-mode, why on Earth do you need to leave your > eyes from emacs just to look at the clock?!?!? o_O > > :D Because I don't live all of my hacking hours in Emacs ;-P >> # Guess I should tell emacs to display the time in its mode line ;-) > > E...you mean you don't have it enabled? o_O There's only so much that fits ... > > (setq display-time-day-and-date t > display-time-24hr-format nil) > (setq display-time-default-load-average nil) > (display-time) > Thanks. Also for the dzen2 suggestion. Florian's suggestion would work nice in a terminal too, but having a clock in the terminal, as well as the emacs mode-line and somewhere on the screen feels like overkill. Just a single clock in a fixed location that's visible no matter what application you happen to be using, that's what I want. Anyway, thanks for all the feedback. -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wicd + dhclient no longer sends the correct host name and doesn't request search domains anymore in ascii.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:03:50 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:17:05 +, Rowland wrote in message > <20180312101705.7dca7...@devstation.samdom.example.com>: > > > Hi Didier, all of what you say is true, but if there is a wicd > > package, then it needs to work as expected. > > ...and if it doesn't, a nice big warning should wake up the user > and recommend a viable work-around. Is apt-listbugs part of the default installation? In this case this could be easily accomplished with a bug report with severity >serious that includes the work-around. libre Grüße, Florian pgpGEPGQ3R7Wk.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)
Hi, goli...@dyne.org writes: > On 2018-03-11 07:43, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> goli...@dyne.org writes: >> >>> On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi again, [...] Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark shade of grey that is used now. >>> >>> Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock >>> from >>> the repos instead. It has nice config options that allow for >>> foreground >>> and background color choice. As far as making that the default option >>> . >>> . . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that. It's not really a >>> priority >>> in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be >>> included in some release notes for the final release. >> >> All I want/need is the time to display in the system tray so I don't >> have to go find a wall clock. Why would I need a full-blown calendar >> application to do so? >> > > I never realized that Orage is a "full-blown" calendar app because I > have no need for one. I can live with a bit of useless bloat to solve a $ apt-cache show xfce4-datetime-plugin orage | grep ^Installed Installed-Size: 261 Installed-Size: 5573 You call that "a bit of useless bloat"? ;-) # Me once again makes a mental note to purge unused packages ... but at # the same time wonders when I actually get around to doing so ... > cosmetic problem but the choice is of course yours. That's what it's is > all about . . . "Software freedom your way". Everyone has different > preferences and ways to solve them. Diversity is a good thing. :) ACK, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:49:19PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 12/03/2018 à 12:34, Luciano Mannucci a écrit : > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise > > > to > > > give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware > > > design. > > > > > > [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/ > > Are there plans to port Devuan to PPC? It souldn't be too difficult: > > there is a Debian and an Ubuntu for PPC... > > > Unfortunately the situation of Debian for Powerpc isn't very clear. > There is a split between 32-bit, 64-bit, little-endian and big-endian, plus > the powerpcspe architecture from Freescale, and I think most of these > arches, if not all, are not longer official Debian arches, but have only the > status of "ports". AFAIK, IBM only supports Linux for the most recent 64 bit > arch. To be exact: * powerpc is the original 32-bit port; BE; it _was_ an official release arch but as of stretch has been relegated to second-class status * powerpcspe is an incompatible arch, 32-bit BE, second-class only * ppc64 is 64-bit BE, it at a time looked like it's going to become a release arch but has never made it; it supports quite old CPUs * ppc64el is 64-bit _LE_, requires POWER8 (there are some LE POWER7 machines, unsupported); is currently the only official arch All of these but ppc64el have quite regressed. There are rumours that IBM people have actively pressured a bunch of upstream projects to drop support for older CPUs. This is unfortunate for the laptop project you're talking about, as, as I understand, they run ppc64 kernel with powerpc(?) userland. This means BE, which has no longer official support. I've never put my hands on any PPC machine, though, ssh and qemu notwithstanding, thus my knowledge here is only second hand. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 11:46:13 + KatolaZ wrote: > the main issue is that we basically have no PPC build hosts > available. If we had (and if there is a bunch of users interested in > testing that stuff out), we could definitely provide PPC support. Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :) I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to see if it is still working... Of course we will need testers. Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL/ E-MAIL: posthams...@sublink.sublink.org / \ AND POSTINGS/ WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:56:13 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20151217025613.4656e...@nb6.lan>: > Hi, > > ..I got no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 > so I try here: do you guys have " du -sch "-style numbers for > alpha-iso-cd # 28MB ..today: 39.58GB, according to: https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan-cd > devuan# This is Debian minus Systemd? ..this is Devuan's code mirror. > Size? ..today: 13.81GB, according to: https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan > merged# This is new devuan.org code, ..this is "Debian's mirror MINUS systemd PLUS Devuan's code mirror", merger job is done with amprolla's you-don't-wanna-know server side magic. > size? ..today: 2.6TB, according to: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size ...or, if you like me have a partial Debian mirror on your lan with source, all, amd64, i386 and hurd-i386 and oldstable/jessie, stable, testing and sid, 413GB. ..minus hurd-i386, I estimate "merged" to: 365GB and a complete "devuan+merged" Devuan mirror to: qalc 413-48+13.81 = 379GB. > in http://packages.devuan.org/ ? ..https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan-cd https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt misled me into mirroring files.devuan.org/ rather than auto.mirror|packages.devuan.org/devuan, it turned out "Devuan Mirror != Devuan Mirror." ;o) ..proper way to mirror Devuan mirrors: ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt > ..I have a partial (source,amd64,i386,i386-hurd) lan Debian mirror > (bad isp link) and I understand some packages are identical over > here at Devuan, so I guess I can play mirror guineapig here. ..in my case, I'd add "5c) IF YOU HAVE A DEBIAN MIRROR BOX ON YOUR LAN" to ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt , swapping out all mentions of "deb.debian.org" in section "5b) IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOCAL DEBIAN MIRROR" with a relevant lan ip (e.g. "10.11.12.13") in all the relevant rewrite rules. That approach leaves your Debian mirror operative until you have C-level approval to yank it down, or, you can leave it up for those crazy bad downtime cases all the way up to "Lennart comes back as Jesus." ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On 2018-03-12 09:43, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:56:13 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20151217025613.4656e...@nb6.lan>: Hi, ..I got no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here: do you guys have " du -sch "-style numbers for alpha-iso-cd # 28MB Of course you didn't. The email interactiveness was disabled maybe a year ago and we have no way to alter or respond to posts there. Did you not see the banner at the top of the page? PROCEED WITH CAUTION This experiment is over. These pages are offered as a read only historical reference that may contain outdated documentation. Do continue to browse but replying, likes, and other actions are disabled. For current discussions, please travel to the DNG mail list, the Devuan irc channels freenode#devuan and the dev1galaxy.org forum. So long, and thanks for all the fish! The talk.d.o archive is still a WIP. golinux ..today: 39.58GB, according to: https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan-cd devuan# This is Debian minus Systemd? ..this is Devuan's code mirror. Size? ..today: 13.81GB, according to: https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan merged# This is new devuan.org code, ..this is "Debian's mirror MINUS systemd PLUS Devuan's code mirror", merger job is done with amprolla's you-don't-wanna-know server side magic. size? ..today: 2.6TB, according to: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size ...or, if you like me have a partial Debian mirror on your lan with source, all, amd64, i386 and hurd-i386 and oldstable/jessie, stable, testing and sid, 413GB. ..minus hurd-i386, I estimate "merged" to: 365GB and a complete "devuan+merged" Devuan mirror to: qalc 413-48+13.81 = 379GB. in http://packages.devuan.org/ ? ..https://ftp.fau.de/cgi-bin/show-mirror-status.cgi?mirror=devuan-cd https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt misled me into mirroring files.devuan.org/ rather than auto.mirror|packages.devuan.org/devuan, it turned out "Devuan Mirror != Devuan Mirror." ;o) ..proper way to mirror Devuan mirrors: ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt ..I have a partial (source,amd64,i386,i386-hurd) lan Debian mirror (bad isp link) and I understand some packages are identical over here at Devuan, so I guess I can play mirror guineapig here. ..in my case, I'd add "5c) IF YOU HAVE A DEBIAN MIRROR BOX ON YOUR LAN" to ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt , swapping out all mentions of "deb.debian.org" in section "5b) IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOCAL DEBIAN MIRROR" with a relevant lan ip (e.g. "10.11.12.13") in all the relevant rewrite rules. That approach leaves your Debian mirror operative until you have C-level approval to yank it down, or, you can leave it up for those crazy bad downtime cases all the way up to "Lennart comes back as Jesus." ;oD ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 2018-03-12 03:13, Edward Bartolo wrote: On 12/03/2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-03-11 14:08, Edward Bartolo wrote: [snip] Edward, I'm happy to hear that you've found something that suits you. But now I'm wondering what you were previously seeing. This is the Jessie (purpy) default login screen: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_jessie.png And this is the ASCII (darkpurpy) default login screen. https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png Neither of the two files, slim_jessie.png and slim_ascii.png, are identical to what I had as background for slim. I have no way of knowing whether you're on Jessie or ASCII I am on ASCII which has been installed and functioning for several months. Excuse me for my leaky memory but I do not remember exactly when I had it installed or distupgraded. If my wetware serves me right, my path of installation was, first an installation of Debian, then a conversion to Devuan. For some reason, both debootstrap and the Devuan installer did not work, so I had to resort to install Debian first. I am attaching a screenshot that I scaled down by 25% to save space on the servers. It is clear something is not not well understood with my setup. That background is the default slim "blood and guts" (as we call it) background. I had nothing to do with it. If you have desktop-base installed you will have a uniform darkpurpy theme from grub to slim to the desktop in Xfce. Sorry I was a bit slow to realize you were not seeing the Devuan specific theming. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 2018-03-12 03:29, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:59:34PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: [cut] Steve, I appreciate your comments but you are really late to this party. The ASCII slim theme was finished in December and the layout and font sizing are identical to the one in Jessie which is about a year ago. The slim panel has also been posted to this list maybe a dozen times in the last year. So the Jessie and ASCII ship have sailed. I'll have a look at enlarging the font when I start on Beowulf but there will be no fussy buttons (for both technical and aesthetic reasons). Sorry for interrupting. I am the least "graphically-sensible" here, but I guess we should try to make the default Devuan desktop as accessible as possible to visually-impaired users. I have no clue about how system fonts are managed in XFCE, but it shouldn't be impossible to have two icons in the default desktop to set the font to +4 and +8 points. Something we should definitely plan around for Beowulf, indeed. My2Cents KatolaZ The login screen has been in that identical configuration for well over a year (maybe 2) and there has not been one complaint about readability (that has not been addressed). So this is a solution in search of a problem. The slim panel is an image not text so there can be no buttons to increase font size. I can however increase the font size on the image itself. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)
On 2018-03-12 07:38, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi, goli...@dyne.org writes: I never realized that Orage is a "full-blown" calendar app because I have no need for one. I can live with a bit of useless bloat to solve a $ apt-cache show xfce4-datetime-plugin orage | grep ^Installed Installed-Size: 261 Installed-Size: 5573 You call that "a bit of useless bloat"? ;-) Everything is relative. ;) I have over 220gb of video projects and many gb of artwork on this 500gb partition (with another 500gb unformatted and unused and waiting) so yeah, 5573 isn't even a blip on the radar. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:32:15 -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message <37e1737b6270d5f488c88d006f55a...@dyne.org>: > On 2018-03-12 09:43, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:56:13 +0100, Arnt wrote in message > > <20151217025613.4656e...@nb6.lan>: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> ..I got no response on > >> https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here: do > >> you guys have " du -sch "-style numbers for alpha-iso-cd # 28MB > > > > > > Of course you didn't. The email interactiveness was disabled maybe a > year ago and we have no way to alter or respond to posts there. Did > you not see the banner at the top of the page? ..nope, much easier to search my own mail list archive ;o), I responded because I found a viable answer to my first question on this mail list, posted over 2 years ago. > PROCEED WITH CAUTION > This experiment is over. These pages are offered as a read only > historical reference that may contain outdated documentation. Do > continue to browse but replying, likes, and other actions are > disabled. For current discussions, please travel to the DNG mail > list, the Devuan irc channels freenode#devuan and the dev1galaxy.org > forum. So long, and thanks for all the fish! > > The talk.d.o archive is still a WIP. > > golinux ..good to know. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Xfce clock visibility with darkpurpy (was Re: Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.)
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 09:38:01PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > $ apt-cache show xfce4-datetime-plugin orage | grep ^Installed > Installed-Size: 261 > Installed-Size: 5573 Anybody know what the units are? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
One thing about using used [,old] and free hardware is that it has power efficiency problems. Newer hardware tends to be more power efficient (if you choose wisely). This means that newer hardware can "pay" for itself via energy savings alone. Less power consumed, less heat. If you have an abundance of excess "free" power, that you don't have a better use for, then perhaps old hardware might be better than new hardware from an environmental perspective. A reasonably good example of new vs old is the incandescent light globe against an LED. You could wait until the old one blows or replace it and start saving energy straight away. We have reduce, re-use and recycle; these are all important but sometimes replace is more important for all sorts of reasons. Cheers A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:30:48 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 06:23:25AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > We already have two buttons on the desktop for enlarging and > > reducing the font and icons, thanks to Joerg Reisenweber, but it's > > only in the desktop-live, and it's only for xfce. I haven't looked > > at it in a long time, but I think it's ready to be packaged. > > https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/fontsnaps > > > > > > Great. Let's do it then. It's a tiny change that costs nothing and > makes life a lot easier for many users. We could just package it and > include it among the deps of XFCE. If it's not installed by default, you still have the buried shovel: The user who can't read the fonts can't install the package. What do you all think of also connecting a pair of hotkeys to increase and decrease fonts via fontsnaps? SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 03:43:25PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > merged# This is new devuan.org code, > > ..this is "Debian's mirror MINUS systemd PLUS Devuan's code mirror", > merger job is done with amprolla's you-don't-wanna-know server side > magic. > > > size? > > ..today: 2.6TB, according to: > https://www.debian.org/mirror/size > > > ...or, if you like me have a partial Debian mirror on your lan with > source, all, amd64, i386 and hurd-i386 and oldstable/jessie, stable, > testing and sid, 413GB. > > ..minus hurd-i386, I estimate "merged" to: 365GB and a complete > "devuan+merged" Devuan mirror to: qalc 413-48+13.81 = 379GB. > mmmhhh, if you use an external Debian mirror, the actual size of the Devuan-specific stuff is only about 14GB atm. A full mirror with all, amd64, and i386 is about 140GB per release, atm (so about 420GB if you want jessie, ascii, and ceres. Will soon need to add another ~130GB for Beowulf ;)). [cut] > > > ..I have a partial (source,amd64,i386,i386-hurd) lan Debian mirror > > (bad isp link) and I understand some packages are identical over > > here at Devuan, so I guess I can play mirror guineapig here. > > ..in my case, I'd add "5c) IF YOU HAVE A DEBIAN MIRROR BOX ON YOUR LAN" > to ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt , swapping out > all mentions of "deb.debian.org" in section "5b) IF YOU DON'T HAVE A > LOCAL DEBIAN MIRROR" with a relevant lan ip (e.g. "10.11.12.13") in all > the relevant rewrite rules. > That approach leaves your Debian mirror operative until you have > C-level > approval to yank it down, or, you can leave it up for those crazy bad > downtime cases all the way up to "Lennart comes back as Jesus." ;oD > > Please notice that the original walkthrough document is always at: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt In theory, package mirrors (like ftp.fau.de, the one that you mention) should mirror that file automatically, but they are not requested to do so, so it's better to always refer to the version on pkgmaster.devuan.org. If you have suggestions for improvements to the walkthrough, you are welcome to propose them :) Anyway, you still need a Debian mirror for all the packages that are not forked by Devuan (which are about 95% of all the 18+ packages in Jessie, Ascii, Ceres), so in practice you can't yank the Debian mirror down atm. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 01:32:01PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Great. Let's do it then. It's a tiny change that costs nothing and > > makes life a lot easier for many users. We could just package it and > > include it among the deps of XFCE. > > If it's not installed by default, you still have the buried shovel: The > user who can't read the fonts can't install the package. > > What do you all think of also connecting a pair of hotkeys to increase > and decrease fonts via fontsnaps? > > I understand your former comment, but the latter seems inconsequential: if you don't have the package installed by default, the keybindingss won't work. My suggestion was exactly to have the fontsnaps package included as a dep in all the supported "task-*-desktop", so that it gets installed automatically if the user install task-whatever-desktop. Steve: would you like to help with that? My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
In case anyone is wondering IBM offers free POWER VPS's for developers porting their stuff to POWER. There is also the IntegriCloud company (aka raptor) which has OpenPOWER9 TALOS 2 VPS's that feature their interesting open source owner controlled measured launch hardware/software called FlexVer (kind of like a super fancy TPM) which is also planned to be sold for the T2 and the KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 later on. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beaglebone black
KatolaZ > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 02:36:06PM -0400, Chillfan wrote: > > I think the best way would be to see: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/ > > and open an issue about it there. > > > > I'm also opening a couple of issues about the beaglebone black there having > > noticed some problems. > Please try to use the BTS at bugs.devuan.org (as well?). It's easier > to keep track of all the bugs relevant to a release if they are in the > BTS. Thanks booth, I'll look into that. /// I solved my original issue by using: https://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-8.3-lxqt-4gb-armhf-2016-01-24-4gb.img.xz and upgrade it to devuan. I wish to upload it so others might test it, but 4GB is a little big so and scp says 43h so I have to use some other method. This is the bootblocks http://turkos.aspodata.se/computing/BBB/bbb.bb.img and I'll put up the archived files in the same dir instead. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:10:30 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20180312191030.ga16...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 03:43:25PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > merged# This is new devuan.org code, > > > > ..this is "Debian's mirror MINUS systemd PLUS Devuan's code mirror", > > merger job is done with amprolla's you-don't-wanna-know server side > > magic. > > > > > size? > > > > ..today: 2.6TB, according to: > > https://www.debian.org/mirror/size > > > > > > ...or, if you like me have a partial Debian mirror on your lan with > > source, all, amd64, i386 and hurd-i386 and oldstable/jessie, stable, > > testing and sid, 413GB. > > > > ..minus hurd-i386, I estimate "merged" to: 365GB and a complete > > "devuan+merged" Devuan mirror to: qalc 413-48+13.81 = 379GB. > > > > > mmmhhh, if you use an external Debian mirror, the actual size of the > Devuan-specific stuff is only about 14GB atm. A full mirror with all, > amd64, and i386 is about 140GB per release, atm (so about 420GB if you > want jessie, ascii, and ceres. Will soon need to add another ~130GB > for Beowulf ;)). ..I don't have any arm* debs in my lan mirror, Debian reports these to 180GB, 179GB and 190GB, how much on our side in "devuan"? ..trying to find out, I found I'm denied rsync access to "devuan" because I don't yet have ssh keys, so I joined devuan-mirror and asked for ssh key access this afternoon today. > [cut] > > > > > > ..I have a partial (source,amd64,i386,i386-hurd) lan Debian > > > mirror (bad isp link) and I understand some packages are > > > identical over here at Devuan, so I guess I can play mirror > > > guineapig here. > > > > ..in my case, I'd add "5c) IF YOU HAVE A DEBIAN MIRROR BOX ON YOUR > > LAN" to ftp://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt , > > swapping out all mentions of "deb.debian.org" in section "5b) IF > > YOU DON'T HAVE A LOCAL DEBIAN MIRROR" with a relevant lan ip (e.g. > > "10.11.12.13") in all the relevant rewrite rules. > > That approach leaves your Debian mirror operative until you have > > C-level > > approval to yank it down, or, you can leave it up for those crazy > > bad downtime cases all the way up to "Lennart comes back as > > Jesus." ;oD > > > > > > Please notice that the original walkthrough document is always at: > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt > > In theory, package mirrors (like ftp.fau.de, the one that you mention) > should mirror that file automatically, but they are not requested to > do so, so it's better to always refer to the version on > pkgmaster.devuan.org. If you have suggestions for improvements to the > walkthrough, you are welcome to propose them :) ..thanks. _Should_ I really need ssh key access to rsync the "devuan" part of Devuan for my lan mirror? For public mirrors, I totally agree we need ssh key security, but for my lan mirrors? ..for non-public lan mirrors I feel ssh key security should be optional, so my lan mirrors keep working when my net link dies. > Anyway, you still need a Debian mirror for all the packages that are > not forked by Devuan (which are about 95% of all the 18+ packages > in Jessie, Ascii, Ceres), so in practice you can't yank the Debian > mirror down atm. ..correct, unless you're serving Debian clients or keeping an eye on systemd etc conspiracies, the easier approach would be starting with a Debian lan mirror and then "update" that debmirror-style to create our own "merged" Devuan package mirror. ..debmirror-style, debmirror should believe any "merged" lie we feed it, once we have those ssh key access issues on "devuan" sorted out. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 03/12/2018 03:16 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 01:32:01PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > >>> Great. Let's do it then. It's a tiny change that costs nothing and >>> makes life a lot easier for many users. We could just package it and >>> include it among the deps of XFCE. >> >> If it's not installed by default, you still have the buried shovel: The >> user who can't read the fonts can't install the package. >> >> What do you all think of also connecting a pair of hotkeys to increase >> and decrease fonts via fontsnaps? >> >> > > I understand your former comment, but the latter seems > inconsequential: if you don't have the package installed by default, > the keybindingss won't work. > > My suggestion was exactly to have the fontsnaps package included as a > dep in all the supported "task-*-desktop", so that it gets installed > automatically if the user install task-whatever-desktop. > > Steve: would you like to help with that? > Adding it as a dep is a good idea. Once it's installed, it can be found in the menu under "Other" in xfce. I'm not sure where it shows up in other menus. The user can dig through the menu and find it once, then copy the .desktop files to their desktop. They're in /usr/share/applications/ LARGER_FONTS.desktop and SMALLER_FONTS.desktop Getting the icons on the desktop in the live iso is easy - I just put a copy in the rootfs_overlay and it gets copied to the target. I'm not sure what the best way would be to do this automatically. OK, this works, too. It copies the .desktop files to the current user's desktop. xdg-desktop-icon install --novendor LARGER_FONTS.desktop xdg-desktop-icon install --novendor SMALLER_FONTS.desktop fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:22:32PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [cut] > > > > Please notice that the original walkthrough document is always at: > > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt > > > > In theory, package mirrors (like ftp.fau.de, the one that you mention) > > should mirror that file automatically, but they are not requested to > > do so, so it's better to always refer to the version on > > pkgmaster.devuan.org. If you have suggestions for improvements to the > > walkthrough, you are welcome to propose them :) > > > ..thanks. _Should_ I really need ssh key access to rsync the > "devuan" part of Devuan for my lan mirror? > For public mirrors, I totally agree we need ssh key security, > but for my lan mirrors? > > ..for non-public lan mirrors I feel ssh key security should be > optional, so my lan mirrors keep working when my net link dies. > You should use apt-mirror. It works seamlessly. pkgmaster does not serve the package repo via public rsync. We will probably put in place another machine to provide a secondary mirror with public rsync access. > > > Anyway, you still need a Debian mirror for all the packages that are > > not forked by Devuan (which are about 95% of all the 18+ packages > > in Jessie, Ascii, Ceres), so in practice you can't yank the Debian > > mirror down atm. > > ..correct, unless you're serving Debian clients or keeping an eye on > systemd etc conspiracies, the easier approach would be starting with > a Debian lan mirror and then "update" that debmirror-style to create > our own "merged" Devuan package mirror. > > ..debmirror-style, debmirror should believe any "merged" lie we feed > it, once we have those ssh key access issues on "devuan" sorted out. > Nope. The best approach is to use ftpmirror or apt-mirror, specifying Devuan's repo in the configuration. This work seamlessly, and will give you a fully-functional local Devuan mirror. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 05:44:07PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: [cut] > > Adding it as a dep is a good idea. Once it's installed, it can be found in > the menu under "Other" in xfce. I'm not sure where it shows up in other > menus. The user can dig through the menu and find it once, then copy the > .desktop files to their desktop. They're in /usr/share/applications/ > LARGER_FONTS.desktop and SMALLER_FONTS.desktop > > Getting the icons on the desktop in the live iso is easy - I just put a > copy in the rootfs_overlay and it gets copied to the target. I'm not sure > what the best way would be to do this automatically. > > OK, this works, too. It copies the .desktop files to the current user's > desktop. > > xdg-desktop-icon install --novendor LARGER_FONTS.desktop > > xdg-desktop-icon install --novendor SMALLER_FONTS.desktop > > Hi fsmithred, I was thinking more to an incantation, in the same style of those made by desktop-base ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] apt-mirror config for a local Devuan repo
Dear D1rs, since we are talking of creating a local or LAN Devuan mirror, I thought that posting a working configuration for apt-mirror could be found useful. Please find at the bottom an example of what you should have in your /etc/apt/mirrors.list in order to get a full local Devuan repo for amd64, i386, and sources. You can use deb.devuan.org instead of pkgmaster.devuan.org, if you like, or any of the package mirrors listed at: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt Notice that the program apt-mirror must be executed by the user "apt-mirror", who should have rwx access to the base_path specified in the mirrors.list file. For more information, man apt-mirror Useful information on setting up a Devuan package mirror can be found at: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt If you want to setup a *public* Devuan package mirror instead, please follow the instructions reported in the walkthrough and get in touch as specified therein. HTH KatolaZ -+-+-+- # config ## # # base_path is the local path where your mirror will be created set base_path/srv/apt-mirror # # set mirror_path $base_path/mirror # set skel_path$base_path/skel # set var_path $base_path/var # set cleanscript $var_path/clean.sh # set defaultarch # set postmirror_script $var_path/postmirror.sh # set run_postmirror 0 set nthreads 20 set _tilde 0 # # end config ## # mirroring package sources deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free # mirroring binary architectures deb-amd64 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free main/debian-installer deb-i386 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free main/debian-installer deb-amd64 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan ascii main contrib non-free main/debian-installer deb-i386 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan ascii main contrib non-free main/debian-installer # cleanup obsolete stuff clean http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged -+-+-+- -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it):
> Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an
> IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :)
> I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to see if it is still
> working...
I have an antique G3 Macbook, so I'm one up on you, there. ;-> It
still functions, for long-ago values of 'function'.
Sometimes, people ask me what it runs, and the usual answer is 'It
doesn't run anything, exactly; it walks Debian briskly.'
Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to let this stuff go.
IMO, Devuan has enough to handle without delving into specialty hardware.
(Just my two zorkmids and change. Your Views May Differ.{tm})
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Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
Correcting: > I have an antique G3 Macbook, so I'm one up on you, there. ;-> It > still functions, for long-ago values of 'function'. Technically, it's a G3 _iBook_. I'm unclear off the top of my head, especially after so many years, whether any machine was called 'Macbook' back in the Pleistocene when this thing was being manufactured and sold. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:16:40 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 01:32:01PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > Great. Let's do it then. It's a tiny change that costs nothing and > > > makes life a lot easier for many users. We could just package it > > > and include it among the deps of XFCE. > > > > If it's not installed by default, you still have the buried shovel: > > The user who can't read the fonts can't install the package. > > > > What do you all think of also connecting a pair of hotkeys to > > increase and decrease fonts via fontsnaps? > > > > > > I understand your former comment, but the latter seems > inconsequential: if you don't have the package installed by default, > the keybindingss won't work. > > My suggestion was exactly to have the fontsnaps package included as a > dep in all the supported "task-*-desktop", so that it gets installed > automatically if the user install task-whatever-desktop. > > Steve: would you like to help with that? Yes. SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it):
>
> > Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an
> > IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :)
> > I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to see if it is still
> > working...
>
> I have an antique G3 Macbook, so I'm one up on you, there. ;-> It
> still functions, for long-ago values of 'function'.
>
> Sometimes, people ask me what it runs, and the usual answer is 'It
> doesn't run anything, exactly; it walks Debian briskly.'
>
> Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to let this stuff go.
> IMO, Devuan has enough to handle without delving into specialty
> hardware. (Just my two zorkmids and change. Your Views May
> Differ.{tm})
There are a couple kinds of specialty hardware:
1) Antiquated stuff
2) Newish stuff that just might make it
Examples of #1 are VAX, PowerPC, Sun hardware. Examples of #2 are
various Raspberry Pi's, Beaglebone, various modern SOC's.
IMHO #1 is a waste of time, just like Rick said. #2 might be a good
thing, so as to get a sans-systemd distro onto tiny computers and not
forfeit to Debian's specialty OS.
SteveT
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Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > There are a couple kinds of specialty hardware: > > 1) Antiquated stuff > > 2) Newish stuff that just might make it Granted, and a fair point. So, I'll clarify that for my own present discussion, I've been talking entirely, exclusively about category #1, antiquated stuff. E.g., the aforementions PowerPC variants including as a minor and somewhat comical example my G3 iBook. (I belatedly looked down, Steve, and saw that we do concur about category #1. So, the following is _not_ aimed at you, and thank you for the additional supporting sanity. Please indulge me while I drive my point rapidly into the ground. I hope the following is amusing reading.) If one wishes to talk separately about category #2, anyone who so wishes is welcome to proceed on that subject separately without me, as I am talking about antiquated. Exemplars of antiquated designs, being both physically very old and (typically) no longer in stock hardly anywhere, are fragile and can be expected to have very limited and unpredictable remaining service life. As they (inevitably) develop various problems inherent in old computer hardware, the owner finds to his/her displeasure that replacement parts have now become a _specialty_ market, hence more expensive than previously in constant-per-year value, not to mention the equipment now being (IMO) woefully deficient in quite a variety of ways compared to more-recent and more-standard kit. There was a day when the writing was on the wall that nobody with any common sense would -- with probable rare and exotic exceptions -- put any more money into PPC-anything-based systems, and that was around the time that not just Apple but pretty much everyone else gave up on it and, with a heavy heart, migrated to x86_64. If memory serves, that was right around the year 2006, when even diehard G5 PPC fans gave up. My G3 iBook dated from circa 2002 CE. GNU cal tells me that this lovely present day is in the year 2018 CE, sixteen years later. If this has been an automobile, it would analogously be a Datsun (the name of Nissan in the USA from 1956 to 1986, when the USA joined the rest of the world for a change). It would be a car with sparkplugs and bias-ply tyres, because radials were too new-fangled. In 2018, the rational attitude to PowerPC, IMO, is indulgent laughter and 'Then we let it go.' And it would IMO be the height of folly to add _any_ of the we-now-know innumerable, mutually incompatible and gloriously irrelevant PPC variants as a supported architecture to a 2018 Linux distribution. I'm old. But I'm not that stupid, and I hope Devuan Project isn't, either. OK, I lied. I respect your views, Steve, so I'll say a couple of words about category #2. > Examples of #2 are > various Raspberry Pi's, Beaglebone, various modern SOC's. This is certainly _less_ outright unreasonable, but as a generality, each of these is to a large degree a special snowflake. Special snowflakes are time sinks. IMO, a projecct in Devuan's present age and condition should be wary of those, as each is very, very likely to divide resources and complicate planning for the project. You probably remember what happened to Debian Project when the supported architectures reached a totally absurd quantity, right? Something like 14 at the maximum? The project as a whole started becoming even more unwieldy than it had been, and frequency of releases became so rare that it became a standing joke all across the Internet. Debian was, among the technical problems, caught in (one of many) political snarls that then took years to unsnarl. This should be a cautionary tale: Add special-snowflake platforms, no matter how trendy, with extreme caution. And yes, RPi is a special snowflake. kernel.org kernels _still_ cannot run on them, large and specialised and obscure out-of-tree patchsets are requires, a special bootloader is required, etc. -- qualities RPi so far shares with every other ARM variant of any description. Some day, inshallah, that may change. That day is reportedly not today, and tomorrow seems unlikely, too. 'Various modern SOEs?' Please cite even one of those that runs any current kernel.org kernel, and works with anything you can call a reasonably standard bootloader without breaking out laughing. OR, hey, can you name one of which even _one_ of those two things is the case? I'll believe it when I see it, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an example. Do specialty products whenever the project seriously and soberly doesn't need the time and resources for something more important. I think you will find that that time will be a long distance from now. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
That PowerPC laptop project is never going to happen because they have no money for it and it shouldn't happen because PowerPC is old and dead - the new hotness is POWER and making a POWER laptop is entirely achievable you can downclock one of the (4 threads/core) SMT4 4 core CPU's to a mobile workstation level of for instance 50W of course allowing users to re-clock to max on AC power. To make a custom laptop you need millions in cash, it might as well be something good. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
