Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Michael Siegel
Am 12.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Evilham:

>> * Giving a talk of about 30 to 45 minutes and answering questions
>> from the audience for another 30 or 15 minutes respectively
>> 
>> * Having a booth in the exhibition area of the building where
>> people can come by, inform themselves, ask questions, obtain
>> installation media and such
>> 
>> I think it should be possible to have both if available manpower
>> allows for that.
> 
> Maybe both is not quite necessary, you know how that goes, people
> come to you afterwards if they are interested. OTOH: if enough people
> end up volunteering, sure why not.

I think a talk should be enough for now.

> Let's see how much interest this gathers and what can be done from
> that, did you have any particular topic in mind?

As for the topic of the talk, I was thinking of a general introduction
to Devuan, i.e. something like:

* What is Devuan?
* Why and how did it come about?
* How does the process of creating releases for this distribution work?
* What does the system have to offer?
* Where can you get Devuan to try it out/install it?
* Future plans
* Where does the project need help?/How to contribute?


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Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Narcis Garcia
I suggest to put effort on explaining what are and how are init systems
with stages, supervision, freedom, etc.


El 14/08/17 a les 11:49, Michael Siegel ha escrit:
> Am 12.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Evilham:
> 
>>> * Giving a talk of about 30 to 45 minutes and answering questions
>>> from the audience for another 30 or 15 minutes respectively
>>>
>>> * Having a booth in the exhibition area of the building where
>>> people can come by, inform themselves, ask questions, obtain
>>> installation media and such
>>>
>>> I think it should be possible to have both if available manpower
>>> allows for that.
>>
>> Maybe both is not quite necessary, you know how that goes, people
>> come to you afterwards if they are interested. OTOH: if enough people
>> end up volunteering, sure why not.
> 
> I think a talk should be enough for now.
> 
>> Let's see how much interest this gathers and what can be done from
>> that, did you have any particular topic in mind?
> 
> As for the topic of the talk, I was thinking of a general introduction
> to Devuan, i.e. something like:
> 
> * What is Devuan?
> * Why and how did it come about?
> * How does the process of creating releases for this distribution work?
> * What does the system have to offer?
> * Where can you get Devuan to try it out/install it?
> * Future plans
> * Where does the project need help?/How to contribute?
> 
> 
> --
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Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Evilham
Salut Narcís!
Good to see you here (we've crossed emails on debian's CA user list).

Am 14/08/2017 um 12:59 schrieb Narcis Garcia:
> I suggest to put effort on explaining what are and how are init systems
> with stages, supervision, freedom, etc.
> 

Sounds like a good idea.

> El 14/08/17 a les 11:49, Michael Siegel ha escrit:
>> As for the topic of the talk, I was thinking of a general introduction
>> to Devuan, i.e. something like:

* What is Devuan?

Since the answer to this right now is basically "Debian without
systemd", it totally begs next point.

* What is an init system? Supervision? Why is that freedom important?

* Why and how did it come about?

"Why" should be mostly addressed by previous point, worth making it
clear again here though.

* How does the process of creating releases for this distribution work?

* Why should users / debian ecosystem care?

This would include the previous "what does Devuan have to offer" while
leaving romom for more.

* Is it usable? Where can you get it?

Important to remark that Devuan is usable, stable and under active
development.

* Future plans

* Where does the project need help?/How to contribute?


I'd recommend taking a look at this:
https://www.slideshare.net/opennebula/opennebulaconf2015-112-the-status-of-devuan-project-alberto-zuin

It's a bit outdated and had a different purpose, but it's interesting :)


Am 13/08/2017 um 8:29 schrieb Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult:
> where exactly are you located ?

lat: 50.8333 long: 12.9167

Just kidding, that's Chemnitz.
I'm here and there, quite often in Saxony ;).
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Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Jaromil

I also hope you find inspiration from this talk I've given at FSCONS
in occasion of our two years anniversary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo

I've uploaded here the slides' I've made for the occasion

https://transfer.sh/TqJGe/devuan_fscons.odp

stats may need some updating. I recommend to train well, be receptive
and accept criticism. do remember we aim for excellence!!


ciao :^)

p.s. I wish I'd make it also to the event, it is very interesting
 indeed, tried to squeeze it in my calendar, but no luck.





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Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote:

> 
> I'd recommend taking a look at this:
> https://www.slideshare.net/opennebula/opennebulaconf2015-112-the-status-of-devuan-project-alberto-zuin

The slide "Why I Hate systemd" is likely to derail discussion because of 
the loaded word "hate".  Better to discuss technical merits and demerits 
without raising emotions.

-- hendrik
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Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

2017-08-14 Thread taii...@gmx.com
FYI Many big companies get intel to include classified instruction sets 
to give them some kind of competitive edge.


I can't find the link but it was in a bloomberg article about xeon CPU's.
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Re: [DNG] Nvidia Drivers

2017-08-14 Thread taii...@gmx.com

On 08/13/2017 02:20 PM, fsmithred wrote:


On 08/13/2017 07:45 AM, zap wrote:

Not to be rude, but I wouldn't trust nvidia drivers even if they were
completely sandboxed.

They A: hate free software, B: they require proprietary firmware and C:
Are a huge security risk,

then again, most processors are too... but that's besides the point.

I stopped using the proprietary driver when I noticed that whatever video
I was last watching showed up in the background of my login screen on the
next login, even after a warm reboot.

fsr
This happens even with the non-proprietary driver as the card doesn't 
sanitize memory on boot like it should.


Nvidia has a bad attitude in regards to security and open source 
software, after all the time I wasted with their Code 43 "Bug" when 
trying to attach a geforce GPU to a VM for VM gaming I will never buy 
another green graphics card.


What a shame the opengraphicscard project died.
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[DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2017-08-14 Thread Erik Christiansen
Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my 
Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older
packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite used
to LXDE - especially the boot speed of the leaner environment.

So the question is as put in the subject line. The answer might also fit
in the category "what does Devuan have to offer", perhaps.

I viewed the 2016 video last night, and applaud the commitment to
OS ecosystem diversity. There is nothing more fundamental to *nix than
that, equalled only by application diversity.

I'll download the CD, and see what I find. (Or should it be the DVD for
desktop alternatives?)

Erik

¹ Well, it's not *nix any more.
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