[DNG] devuan on RPi2
Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used this image: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz The RPi boots fine, but it crashes reliably while installing xorg + terminator. "crashing" means, the kernel thinks the sd-card got pulled out, but it wasn't: # apt-get update # apt-get dist-upgrade # raspi-config (grow partition) # reboot # apt-get install xorg terminator At this stage the sd-card is gone, rebooting wont work as the filesystem is corrupt. This was tried on 3 different RPis with 4 different cd-cards (all 8 gig). The path to devuan using the official debian wheezy image and upgrading that to devuan jessie works flawless. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
Katola2: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 07:20:34AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 23:47 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > > I still don't understand why you cannot mount /usr, just what do you > > > gain by doing it the systemd way ?? > > > > Well, To mount /usr, udev has to make it available first (via mddevice > > and lvm). But udev uses ps internal and ps is, in new debians, linked > > against libsystemd and libsystemd depends on libraries in /usr. > > > > And Biebl in his divine wisdom just closed the bug report as wontfix. > > > > But we all agree that this is just an enormous bunch of unnecessary > nonsense, right? Ack, I don't even need udev to mount /usr. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:29:30 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Katola2: > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 07:20:34AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > > Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 23:47 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > > > I still don't understand why you cannot mount /usr, just what > > > > do you gain by doing it the systemd way ?? > > > > > > Well, To mount /usr, udev has to make it available first (via > > > mddevice and lvm). But udev uses ps internal and ps is, in new > > > debians, linked against libsystemd and libsystemd depends on > > > libraries in /usr. > > > > > > And Biebl in his divine wisdom just closed the bug report as > > > wontfix. > > > > > > > But we all agree that this is just an enormous bunch of unnecessary > > nonsense, right? > > Ack, I don't even need udev to mount /usr. > So, as I thought, you gain nothing doing it the systemd way, except a load of unnecessary complication. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
Quoting Klaus Ethgen (klaus+d...@ethgen.ch): > Just for your amusement or your seriousness, have a look at the most > recent gaffe of debian systemd people Biebl. #845480. > > The ignorance of that guy has no limit. :-( > > In the begin, I asked Craig to not reassign it to systemd as I already > knew of the outcome. But then, this Biebl sees it and closed it right > away with a ignorant note. Sadly, yet another case of a maintainer being a malfunction and needing to be routed around (to paraphrase what John Gilmore said about the Internet can censorship, usually misattributed to John Perry Barlow, who quoted him). I suppose a procps package without the dumb libsystemd dependency is the right solution. -- Cheers,"It's easier to act your way into a new way of thinking Rick Moen than think your way into a new way of acting." r...@linuxmafia.com-- Jerry Sternin McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2
dear Nikolaus, On Mon, 28 Nov 2016, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used > this image: > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz whenever you have time, can you please test this new image? https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/testing/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2.rc1_armhf_raspi2.img.xz please note the "testing" subdirectory thanks for letting us know! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] reportbug
dear Klaus, On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of > the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using > horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad. while we are using gitlab' issues for now, there hasn't been any strong reason against using also reportbug and Debian's bug reporting infrastructure which is quite well integrated with other tools. What we lack is a volunteer to take up this task, since all developers involved are already fully engaged with what is going on. you and others reading are very welcome to take up this task or even better help form a team that can install and maintain a Devuan BTS. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2
Adding a note on the beta2 image: # apt get install xorg terminator xdm fvwm .. this crashes the RPi. After fixing the filesystem and running "dpkg --configure -a" I found that systemd was running. Why the hell ?!? Upgrading from raspbian wheezy to devuan jessie + angband.pl and installing the same packages does not pull in systemd. Nik Am Montag, 28. November 2016 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp: > Hi all! > > This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used this image: > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz > > The RPi boots fine, but it crashes reliably while installing xorg + > terminator. "crashing" means, the kernel thinks the sd-card got pulled out, > but it wasn't: > > # apt-get update > # apt-get dist-upgrade > # raspi-config > (grow partition) > # reboot > # apt-get install xorg terminator > > At this stage the sd-card is gone, rebooting wont work as the filesystem is > corrupt. > This was tried on 3 different RPis with 4 different cd-cards (all 8 gig). > > The path to devuan using the official debian wheezy image and upgrading that > to devuan jessie works flawless. > > Nik > > > > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] reportbug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Mo den 28. Nov 2016 um 16:40 schrieb Jaromil: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of > > the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using > > horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad. > > while we are using gitlab' issues for now, there hasn't been any > strong reason against using also reportbug and Debian's bug reporting > infrastructure which is quite well integrated with other tools. What > we lack is a volunteer to take up this task, since all developers > involved are already fully engaged with what is going on. > > you and others reading are very welcome to take up this task or even > better help form a team that can install and maintain a Devuan BTS. Hmm.. That might really a job I could do. I have only little resorces to give but if it make devuan better... I will think about that. Regards Klaus - -- Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Charset: ISO-8859-1 iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEMWF28vh4/UMJJLQEpnwKsYAZ9qwFAlg8iS4ACgkQpnwKsYAZ 9qwAHwv+PNa/sxd0LCjMEDe2r8RvGGTSAO20TK1bjcHEE+kKEaM9jkz4U/VF2wip x5cwpGmxjDMA/eqdYZSxtok0RJFuwRlCpdlP/1rCfBZ5fhQWbggRs9lrCJT6Mdmu PZ77gkJjBQDnjcrMKQfOx7WqcBuqMlC4vP4j1qS1+mbb5yAVDkRrMlZjRIlohhoF PyEvBB0bgnutP22OceUwsBc+1P2C+dg4dBdvMhofAEOuipiQceJcnjBosW1vjZLq eG8HRXMPByxfcO7pXxu4y8ByGYir4PXcBzNl729fAEyr0PoB1xwbHSm4OMHFi2Tl NRBrm2mbkQAnmY5xOJdqhs494qPELe9uPpf1q0ORA3H9K2UFg5bckHiZ02605j/S dFBwswRQWSNRxmhKw+qH5eFfXWpV2p+qCLXVyILnP3yXGnl2vnAmRkufmeNAwpyt xw/QrCNTzK6MYhj9Fi1golhyFENL1iud18Xmj1m7iB9xG02GGxOl7mOM3jA2zHYO mIVzrFVD =kS2I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
On 161128-07:20+0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 23:47 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > I still don't understand why you cannot mount /usr, just what do you > > gain by doing it the systemd way ?? > > Well, To mount /usr, udev has to make it available first (via mddevice > and lvm). But udev uses ps internal and ps is, in new debians, linked > against libsystemd and libsystemd depends on libraries in /usr. > > And Biebl in his divine wisdom just closed the bug report as wontfix. > > Regards >Klaus > - -- > Klaus Ethgen http://www.ethgen.ch/ > pub 4096R/4E20AF1C 2011-05-16Klaus Ethgen > Fingerprint: 85D4 CA42 952C 949B 1753 62B3 79D0 B06F 4E20 AF1C > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- The issue of separate /usr partition was discussed by Gentoo leaders over three years ago, and a similar decision was made. Have a look at Gentoo Council Meeting: https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt You can find some other details about it in my posts starting (and a lot more about systemd, surely you're all already familiar with some of the links that I used there, like Christopher Barry's... Christopher, are you following this Devuan ML? I know you did... you are missed here, and you open letter should be made an obligatory read for newbies to FOSS GNU Linux somehow): Why is Gentoo not switching to systemd? https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-998108-start-300.html#7624044 (the link is: Open letter to the Linux World https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 ) , And allow me to say just one thing, you'll see why. SteveL who was lmao ([l]aughing [m] [a]ss [o]ut for a casual reader visiting here] ( https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-50.html#7872088 ), changed his attitude very much later on, and I got his very kind post as kind of farewell before I was banned (I hope not my permanent condition) from Gentoo Forums: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-50.html#7872088 Pls., Devuan moderators, in the future, never easily ban people from Devuan! It's bad... A moderator must never, never act for being just personally affected, and that is mostly the case when banning occurs (don't know what exactly happened here, not saying about here, but generally). And you never know how valuable supporter you are really losing, and what the insuing damage will be... Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
On 161128-21:41+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: ... CORRECTION: > And allow me to say just one thing, you'll see why. > > SteveL who was lmao ([l]aughing [m] [a]ss [o]ut for a casual reader > visiting here] > ( MISPLACED: > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-50.html#7872088 CORRECT LINK at this place: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-998108-start-300.html#7624096 > ), changed his attitude very much later on, and I got his very kind post > as kind of farewell before I was banned (I hope not my permanent > condition) from Gentoo Forums: > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-50.html#7872088 (CORRECT ABOVE at that place in the text) Sorry! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe
Hi, << Pls., Devuan moderators, in the future, never easily ban people from Devuan! It's bad... A moderator must never, never act for being just personally affected >> How I wish the ignorant who refuses civility who insulted me last summer is banned! At least, to keep this mailing list clean of online criminals. I say it for another time: go find another victim to abuse. You are fit to be thrown into a cell and left to rot there. Edward -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand the concepts underlying them. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
