Re: [DNG] building for armhf
hay Scooby On Thu, 01 Sep 2016, shraptor wrote: > That is old greek to me unfortunately. you seem to translate it pretty well :^) anyway yes, apologies for the brevity, I was writing while on the road. > pinthread I guess is this one https://github.com/nexlab/pinthread > and the USAGE seems pretty OK for me to follow. yes, it is a LD_SO_PRELOAD wrapper that solves the problem of cross-building packages via qemu on multi-threaded cpus, an issue Nextime has encountered (and solved) while building our CI infrastructure. > devuan-jenkins-glue > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/jenkins-debian-glue > and I could check http://jenkins-debian-glue.org/ to > get a notion what its doing yes. also our patches were applied upstream. I'm just puzzled by the public hostility the maintainer of this project shows towards Devuan. The fix to the jenkins-debian-glue was in fact the first contribution Devuan has made to Debian ;^) > jenkins Jenkins Continuous Integration system. I could read here > http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/Jenkins/article.html yes, and you can see it in action for us here https://ci.devuan.org of course this shows compilation only of "official" Devuan packages when there is need for it and, as we can see, that doesn't happens often after the initial builds. the silent good news is that the cross-builds arm/mips are back online as shown. we of course intend to document all steps needed to setup the CI, something we can expect to be accomplished in the first quarter of 2017, so that people can also build their own. however it is not a priority now, nor it is a priority to have rpi3 specific packages. we decided some time ago that rpi2 packages are just fine and work on both, while there are little advantages in dropping the rpi2 compatibility. I'd be interested in reading your motivation to have rpi3 specific builds. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] X keyboard mapping lost for external USB keyboard
Hi List, I have keyboard mappings that run when I start X: $ cat ~/bin/initkb # Use CapsLock as Ctrl, allow Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace to kill X server setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp # Don't beep xset b off # Disable PrintScreen (by mapping it to BackSpace) xmodmap -e 'keysym Print = BackSpace' I notice that after a while, the Caps->Ctrl mapping for the external keyboard is lost, which I reset by running the above script. I tried using cron for this, but the commands need to be executed in an X environment, which cron doesn't provide. I suppose I can trigger it periodically from a script running in a terminal. I would also like to find out what is modifying my X keyboard settings. It's always been that if I disconnect and reconnect an external keyboard keyboard, the mappings will be lost. That is reported in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/287215 In my case, the loss occurs even without physical disconnection. Perhaps some other initialization event is reoccurring? Could udev be to blame? Xorg? FWIW, I run devuan/jessie with i3 window manager, urxvt with Gnu screen. Interesting that it only affects the external keyboard, and not the laptop's (T430's) built-in keyboard. Any ideas? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] vagrant and devuan guest
Hello, i playing with devuan jessie using vagrant 1.8.5 on an osx host. To test, i upgraded a wheezy box to devuan following the instructions in https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan. The upgrade run without any problems. Thank you all for the excellent job :) During the upgrade i noticed a small vagrant vs devuan related problem After i upgraded the kernel to linux-image-amd64 i was not able to bring up my vagrant box anymore. the box is booted normal, but vagrant failed with: „Vagrant attempted to execute the capability 'change_host_name' on the detect guest OS 'linux', but the guest doesn't support that capability…" As far as i understand, vagrant failed to determine which os the guest is running. i found that vagrant grepping the /etc/issue file to identify a debian guest system by executing cat /etc/issue | grep 'Debian' in file: /opt/vagrant/embedded/gems/gems/vagrant-1.8.5/plugins/guests/debian/guest.rb the content of my /etc/issue file is: Devuan GNU/Linux 1 \n \l i changed my /etc/issue file and added (based on Debian Jessie) and now it works for me. I wanted to file a bug at vagrant, but than i realized,that there are many possible solutions to permanently solve this problem, for example: a. edit the /etc/issue file and add the word Debian. eg: (based on Debian Jessie) b. ask for a devuan plugin at vagrant c. create a devuan plugin for vagrant and ask the vagrant folks to add it d. ask the vagrant folks to change the debian plugin to use the /etc/os-release file (when exists) to identify debian, so could devuan add the line „ID_LIKE=Debian“ to it and appear as „debian-compatible“ to vagrant but, i dont know if there is any interest to solve this problem and then, which one is the preferred way.. thanks again, Attila ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] building for armhf
... we of course intend to document all steps needed to setup the CI, something we can expect to be accomplished in the first quarter of 2017, so that people can also build their own. So is this the only way to setup a tool chain for armhf on devuan? I got to research some more. I only want to rebuild a couple of packages however it is not a priority now, nor it is a priority to have rpi3 specific packages. we decided some time ago that rpi2 packages are just fine and work on both, while there are little advantages in dropping the rpi2 compatibility. I'd be interested in reading your motivation to have rpi3 specific builds. I agree with packages working on both rpi2 and rpi3, Sorry you get no arguments from me on that. My motivation for rebuilding packages for rpi was 1.) Rebuild tor package to the newest version. I want to run the latest tor software Probably important for privacy of users of the onion network, right? Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 2.) Yearn to run vdev on my rpi. /scooby ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] building for armhf
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > ... > > >we of course intend to document all steps needed to setup the CI, > >something we can expect to be accomplished in the first quarter of > >2017, so that people can also build their own. > > So is this the only way to setup a tool chain for armhf on devuan? > > I got to research some more. > > I only want to rebuild a couple of packages > Hi, I managed to set up a toolchain for rpi3, a few months ago, but I have not documented the process so far. I hope I will have time to do that ASAP. Sorry for the sloppiness on the matter... KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] tor and systemd?
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > > Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 How official? upstream's? or Debian's? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 and other ARM based credit card computers
Am 27.07.2016 um 09:58 schrieb parazyd: > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Thomas Besser wrote: >> Where can I find some starting stuff for Devuan on RPi? > > You can use the current master branch of arm-sdk[0] > > My guess is I wrote the README fine, but if there's any questions, feel > free to send me an email or just start a new thread. > > Anyway, there is arm/extra/scrinclude (which also includes a README) > that allows you for easy customization - simply by using shell scripts. > > arm/extra/pkginclude is the same, only for premade .deb packages. > > Sorry if the file structure is a bit messy, all is being worked on, it's > just that stuff slows down a bit during the summer. > > Cheers! > > [0] https://git.devuan.org/devuan/arm-sdk Started generating my own image with arm-sdk. In which git source I should post issues? git.devuan.org or github.com? Why are existing both sources? BTW I started a wiki entry for "Devuan on Raspberry Pi" for collecting informations for others. From time to time I will add my efforts there. Perhaps others on this list will add their informations there too. Regards Thomas ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 and other ARM based credit card computers
Am 01.09.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Thomas Besser: > Started generating my own image with arm-sdk. > > In which git source I should post issues? git.devuan.org or github.com? > Why are existing both sources? > > BTW I started a wiki entry for "Devuan on Raspberry Pi" for collecting > informations for others. From time to time I will add my efforts there. Ups, sorry forgot the url ;-) http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/rpi Regards Thomas ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 and other ARM based credit card computers
On 01-09-16 16:21, Thomas Besser wrote: Am 01.09.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Thomas Besser: Started generating my own image with arm-sdk. In which git source I should post issues? git.devuan.org or github.com? Why are existing both sources? BTW I started a wiki entry for "Devuan on Raspberry Pi" for collecting informations for others. From time to time I will add my efforts there. Ups, sorry forgot the url ;-) http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/rpi Regards Thomas Too bad that nor registering nor sent new password does work for me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 2 and other ARM based credit card computers
On 2016-09-01 16:21, Thomas Besser wrote:
Am 01.09.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Thomas Besser:
Started generating my own image with arm-sdk.
In which git source I should post issues? git.devuan.org or
github.com?
Why are existing both sources?
BTW I started a wiki entry for "Devuan on Raspberry Pi" for collecting
informations for others. From time to time I will add my efforts
there.
Ups, sorry forgot the url ;-)
http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/rpi
Yeah I had a hard time finding it.
But during search I found this document by florian
https://cheatsheet.zwischenspeicher.info/2016/05/11-2016-05-05/
That possibly could be linked on the wiki as per his own wishes here
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160507.161708.e0a1a8ff.nl.html
I want to ask florian here why he disables IPv6 by blacklisting the IPv6
kernel module?
any security considerations?
Thomas were you able to setup a toolchain for building packages for
rpi{2,3}
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Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
On 2016-09-01 15:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 How official? upstream's? or Debian's? The ones from tor: deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main /scooby ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 16:40:24 +0200, shraptor wrote in message <214c35309d95158798629c1cd4a2c...@epost.bahnhof.se>: > On 2016-09-01 15:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > >> > >> Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 ..how??? ..from where??? ..are you building off the git or svn tree? > > How official? upstream's? or Debian's? > > The ones from tor: > > deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main ..a Debian packager? I played around a bit but I don't see it here: https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/log/?qt=grep&q=libsystemd0 ..we honk that nice big red "No-Shit???" horn now? ;o) https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a non-systemd fork, and not a death trap to the next Ed Snowdon. ..since I didn't subscribe to your mail lists, I'm totally fine with you guys rejecting my post there, just kick libsystemd0 off any Tor packages until Edward Snowdon tells me in person here in Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..yes, bad-news-in-tor, was: tor and systemd?
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:20:32 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20160901182032.42f39...@nb6.lan>: > On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 16:40:24 +0200, shraptor wrote in message > <214c35309d95158798629c1cd4a2c...@epost.bahnhof.se>: > > > On 2016-09-01 15:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > > >> > > >> Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 > > ..how??? > > ..from where??? > > ..are you building off the git or svn tree? > > > > How official? upstream's? or Debian's? > > > > The ones from tor: > > > > deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main > > ..a Debian packager? > I played around a bit but I don't see it here: > https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/log/?qt=grep&q=libsystemd0 > > > ..we honk that nice big red "No-Shit???" horn now? ;o) > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor > > ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana > republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a > non-systemd fork, and not a death trap to the next Ed Snowdon. > > ..since I didn't subscribe to your mail lists, I'm totally fine > with you guys rejecting my post there, just kick libsystemd0 off > any Tor packages until Edward Snowdon tells me in person here in > Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. > > ..bad news attached: arnt@celsius:~$ git clone https://git.torproject.org/git/tor Cloning into 'tor'... remote: Counting objects: 165301, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (38536/38536), done. remote: Total 165301 (delta 131244), reused 159247 (delta 126417) Receiving objects: 100% (165301/165301), 37.33 MiB | 513.00 KiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (131244/131244), done. Checking connectivity... done. arnt@celsius:~$ grep -r 'systemd' tor ... arnt@celsius:~$ grep -C2 -r 'systemd' tor >bad-news-in-tor arnt@celsius:~$ ll bad-news-in-tor &&md5sum bad-news-in-tor -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 17248 Sep 1 18:29 bad-news-in-tor 5fc1e10e0f10a3e75ca57c184595c8f5 bad-news-in-tor arnt@celsius:~$ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. bad-news-in-tor Description: Binary data ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 16:40:24 +0200, shraptor wrote in message <214c35309d95158798629c1cd4a2c...@epost.bahnhof.se>: > On 2016-09-01 15:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > >> > >> Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 > > > > How official? upstream's? or Debian's? > > The ones from tor: > > deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org jessie main ..are you able to build working .deb without libsystemd0 or any other SystemD code? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana > republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a > non-systemd fork, and not a death trap to the next Ed Snowdon. > > ..since I didn't subscribe to your mail lists, I'm totally fine > with you guys rejecting my post there, just kick libsystemd0 off > any Tor packages until Edward Snowdon tells me in person here in > Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. According to wikipedia, the Tor Project is seeking to become more user friendly. Does that mean systemd? In December 2015, The Tor Project announced that it had hired Shari Steele as its new executive director.[37] Steele had previously led the Electronic Frontier Foundation for 15 years, and in 2004 spearheaded EFF's decision to fund Tor's early development. One of her key stated aims is to make Tor more user-friendly in order to bring wider access to anonymous web browsing.[38] In July 2016 the complete board of the Tor Project resigned, and announced a new board, made up of Matt Blaze, Cindy Cohn, Gabriella Coleman, Linus Nordberg, Megan Price and Bruce Schneier. I recognize some of these names as greats in security and cryptography. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:22:09 -1000, Joel wrote in message <20160901182209.GA10579@sprite>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana > > republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a > > non-systemd fork, and not a death trap to the next Ed Snowdon. > > > > ..since I didn't subscribe to your mail lists, I'm totally fine > > with you guys rejecting my post there, just kick libsystemd0 off > > any Tor packages until Edward Snowdon tells me in person here in > > Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. > > According to wikipedia, the Tor Project is seeking to become > more user friendly. Does that mean systemd? ..my _guess_ is systemd is a way to subvert Tor et al by taking over userspace and isolating it from kernelspace. I also guess it is still in development, and I spent an ignorant coupla years with systemd before finding out not only I, bot also people like Theodore Tso had problems we could not solve without giving up on system security. ..initially it was touted as a new and better init than sysvinit (which does suck but remains workable) and has since swallowed networking, ntp, disk etc hardware control, effectively denying me access to e.g. my keyboard when a web browser hangs itself. ..the _only_ merit I can see in systemd is if it is meant as a back-up to Tor to keep our next few thousand Ed Snowdons, safe. > > In December 2015, The Tor Project announced that it had > hired Shari Steele as its new executive director.[37] Steele > had previously led the Electronic Frontier Foundation for 15 > years, and in 2004 spearheaded EFF's decision to fund Tor's > early development. One of her key stated aims is to make Tor > more user-friendly in order to bring wider access to > anonymous web browsing.[38] > > In July 2016 the complete board of the Tor Project resigned, > and announced a new board, made up of Matt Blaze, Cindy > Cohn, Gabriella Coleman, Linus Nordberg, Megan Price and > Bruce Schneier. > > I recognize some of these names as greats in security > and cryptography. ..are these people who believe in Benjamin Franklin's wisdom on essential Liberty, temporary Safety, and on Deserving Neither? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev - scanner
Ralph Ronnquist wrote on 01/09/16 08:51: My worry is that the OS_TYPE=255/255/255 condition is not distinct enough to make the action apply exactly and only for scanners. Comparing with udev rules, you'll find there are more than a few rules for USB devices, and almost all of them make their classification based on the vendor/product pair (rather than the capability declarations). ... I'm a little bit at a loss here, as I can't find anything in the vdev tree dealing with, say, scanners or, say, mode switching USB devices. Since those are major chunks in udev rules, I'm just confused. Have I misunderstood? I find "scanner" mentioned in the hwdb, but there is no formal classification of those other than identifying as usb (or pci); nothing classifying them as scanners (unless you'd regard the model label as such). I wish someone could explain things for me... Ralph. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vagrant and devuan guest
Hi Attila, On 01/09/16 23:36, Attila Soki wrote: > Hello, > > i playing with devuan jessie using vagrant 1.8.5 on an osx host. > To test, i upgraded a wheezy box to devuan following the instructions in > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan. > The upgrade run without any problems. > Thank you all for the excellent job :) > > During the upgrade i noticed a small vagrant vs devuan related problem > After i upgraded the kernel to linux-image-amd64 i was not able to bring up > my vagrant box anymore. > the box is booted normal, but vagrant failed with: > „Vagrant attempted to execute the capability 'change_host_name' > on the detect guest OS 'linux', but the guest doesn't > support that capability…" > > As far as i understand, vagrant failed to determine which os the guest is > running. > > i found that vagrant grepping the /etc/issue file to identify a debian guest > system by executing > cat /etc/issue | grep 'Debian' > in file: > /opt/vagrant/embedded/gems/gems/vagrant-1.8.5/plugins/guests/debian/guest.rb > but, i dont know if there is any interest to solve this problem and then, > which one is the preferred way.. > Please File a bug against vagrant. It should handle the case where the distrobution vendor is not known. Also Devuan has been around long enough that it should have support added to handle Devuan properly without retaining a reference to 'Debian' in /etc/issue. Thanks, Daniel. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] tor and systemd?
On 02/09/16 00:20, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..we honk that nice big red "No-Shit???" horn now? ;o) https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#Backdoor ..to the Tor people: systemd made its way into Debian on banana republic politics, not on tech merit. Devuan tries to become a non-systemd fork, and not a death trap to the next Ed Snowdon. ..since I didn't subscribe to your mail lists, I'm totally fine with you guys rejecting my post there, just kick libsystemd0 off any Tor packages until Edward Snowdon tells me in person here in Norway, he is the man behind SystemD. Please tell me you didn't send that to the tor list. For the love of all that is holy stop trying to make the Devuan project look like tinfoil-hat doomsday preppers. If you don't like tor pulling in systemd, then *fix* it. Don't go hysterically screaming about the sky falling and dropping names like "Edward Snowd*e*n" without good reason. If you are going to drop names, spell them correctly. Not doing so makes you look even more of a ranting lunatic. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
