Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 07:45:40 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Hi. > > I do not know if it is intended to do such trivial suggestions > but ... ;) > > Being on my way to adapt my (jwm/fluxbox) setup to what i had before on > slackware, i stumbled into this: Devuan comes with evince by default. There is no such thing as a default PDF viewer for Devuan. Evince is the default PDF viewer for GNOME, IIRC. As such, I suspect it's also the default PDF viewer fo Cinnamon. A quick look into what packages *Depend* on it seems to confirm that. The lxde package package has it as a "Recommends". Another "improvement" by the packager to an otherwise fine desktop environment. However, as LXDE is going to go away in favor of LXQt, I expect lxde package to take its idiotic dependencies on random GNOME crap with it into oblivion. BTW: Everyone who liked Evince, as it was in the GNOME 2 days might want to have a look at Atril, a fork of Evince. > Now, i installed epdfviewer which says in its description: > > "Lightweight pdf viewer based on poppler libs > The aim of ePDFView is to make a simple PDF document viewer, in the > lines of Evince but without using the GNOME libraries. " > > Shouldn't that be the default pdf-viewer devuan comes with? Since as i > understand it, the "evil" are the gnome dependencies (?) As indicated above: The notion of "default PDF viewer" totally depends on the DE (meta-)package we are talking about. (Plus, as someone else correctly mentioned elsethread, in most cases one should be able to completely drop that meta-package and just leave the core components installed. And never again have to care about what additional tools some inventive packager decided to force on users, just because (s)he deemed those useful. (Well-meant is the opposite of well done. }:-> ) Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
Dear Devuaners, a new version of the Unofficial Devuan Minimal Live Images can be downloaded at: http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu The images are available for amd64 and i386 (more architectures might come out soon) and, despite including much more stuff, still fit into 256MB of space, and can boot in as little as 58MB (i386) or 74MB (amd64). Instructions to test them on qemu with framebuffer and sound support are available on the webpage. I have codenamed these minimal live images "otello", after Otello Urso, a blind friend of Freaknet who left us several years ago. Hence the current version has codename "otello_devel3". Unfortunately, there is no minor planet named "otello", even if there is a minor planet called "Botello", but I am not too much convinced about it :) Here is the list of major changes: - initrd is much thinner, trimmed from most fat, xz-ed, and fits in about 6.5MB (it was 29MB in the previous version). - the squashfs is xz-ed by default, but there are options to use gzip/bzip2 as well (e.g. for slow machines) - boot options have been reorganised. Now the default is an accessible boot with no framebuffer. The second option is fb-enabled, but asks the user to choose among available modes (vga=auto). Seems like a fair deal to me. - many packages added, from standard admin utilities to personal production software, from games to stuff for multimedia (image, sound, video playback/record/manipulation). The full list of packages is available on the webpage. I have incorporated most of the comments I have received here and off-list. I am still working on a few points, which should be fixed by the next release, including: - full support for an accessible boot, by including appropriate beeps during the boot process, and at login. There are some at the moment, but for some reason I can't make my qemu installation produce any sound before linux starts... - full support for installation on disk. - full support for data persistence (i.e., mount /home from somewhere). You will also find the scripts I have used to produce the images in the devel branch of the gitlab page of the project: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/devuan-live-minimal/tree/devel BE CAREFUL: THE README IS NOT UPDATED, AND DOES NOT REFLECT EXACTLY THE CURRENT STATE OF THE DEVEL BRANCH. IN PARTICULAR, STAGES 3-5 ARE NOW FULLY AUTOMATIC. I WILL UPDATE IT ASAP AND LET YOU KNOW. As usual, comments, suggestions, and criticism are very welcome. HH KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Logout problem
Thanks to Ozi i got two desktop independent logout/hibernate tools which
generally work fine (cb-exit and oblogout). But i have a problem when i
try the suspend/restart commands:
I get this error msg:
---
Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized
---
The command in the above tools is:
dbus-send --system
--print-reply--dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower
org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend
I googled and i found this:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=141337
and this:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=114412
But i do not see, how to applicate the arch wiki solution to me
("Remove ck-launch-session from xinitrc, it's not needed any more and
the problem was because two sessions were started simultaneously, one
of which was inactive.") I've no .xinitrc (?)
I also found an instruction to
create /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/custom-actions.pkla
with this content:
[Actions for user ]
Identity=unix-user:
Action=org.freedesktop.upower.*;org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.*;org.freedesktop.udisks.*
ResultAny=yes
ResultInactive=no
ResultActive=yes
But apparently this does not work.
Btw, as root the commands work!
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: [DNG] Logout problem
Add-on: > I also found an instruction to > create /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/custom-actions.pkla > with this content: > > > [Actions for user ] > Identity=unix-user: > Action=org.freedesktop.upower.*;org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.*;org.freedesktop.udisks.* > ResultAny=yes > ResultInactive=no > ResultActive=yes > I had to reboot, then it worked. But i've an additional question: In /etc/oblogout.conf, the actions the script has to execute are defined. Suspend looks like this: --- suspend = dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend --- Now, could i add to this command a command to lock the screen, doing eg. && i3lock -n -p default --color=00 IOW, a chain like it would be done in a console? TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off
All of a sudden i'm getting many notifying msgs as voice msg as well (also all i do in synaptic or sakura may be even other programs). Now, i'd like to know, which is the standard notify daemon for devuan and if it can eventually turned off/removed (and be substituted bei dunst)? Or, otherwise, how to turn off the voice notifying. Thanks a lot in advance. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off
On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:37:34 +0200, Emninger wrote: > All of a sudden i'm getting many notifying msgs as voice msg as well > (also all i do in synaptic or sakura may be even other programs). Now, > i'd like to know, which is the standard notify daemon for devuan and if > it can eventually turned off/removed (and be substituted bei dunst)? That, again, depends (at least to some degree) on the desktop environment you are using. E.g. for Xfce it's xfce4-notifyd. The package notification-daemon is provided by the following packages. A quick look in aptitude reveals (WARNING: my list contains also non-Jessie versions!): --\ Versions of notification-daemon (19) pxfce4-notifyd 0.2.4-3 ixfce4-notifyd 0.2.4-3+b1 p A 0.7.6-2 pnotify-osd 0.9.34-2 pnotify-osd 0.9.35+15.04.20150126-1 plxqt-notificationd 0.10.0-2 ppython-jarabe 0.106.1-1 pdunst 1.1.0-1 pdunst 1.1.0-2 pmate-notification-daemon 1.8.1-3 pmate-notification-daemon 1.12.1-1 pcinnamon 2.2.16-5 pcinnamon 2.8.7-1 pcinnamon 3.0.2-2 pgnome-shell 3.18.1-1 i A 3.20.0-1 pgnome-shell 3.20.2-1 pplasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.11.13-2 pplasma-workspace 4:5.4.3-2 > Or, otherwise, how to turn off the voice notifying. I assume that would depend on the actual notification daemon currently installed. Not really sure, though. HTH, Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On 05/22/2016 06:33 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi fsr, > > El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió: >> On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> > >>> >I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added >>> >deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta >>> >tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer >>> >together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial >>> packages >>> >of Devuan, in a*udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb". >>> > >>> >Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to >>> >eth0 typing: >>> > >>> >/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0 >>> > >>> >Here you are the download zone: >>> > >>> >http://gnuinos.org/devuan/ >>> > >>> >Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the >>> >versions of the installed packages. >>> > >>> >Cheers, >>> > >>> > Aitor. >>> > >> What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add >> 'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And >> I'm lost if I don't add that. >> >> Thanks, >> -fsr >> > > I also customized live-config. So, you don't need any password during > live-sessions. Root's password also has been removed. The live-user has > sudo permissions. These changes are required for d-i :) > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > Aitor, I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging in as root did not work, either. On the second install, I left the root password blank. When I booted into the new system, I could log in as user and use sudo. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
Am Mon, 23 May 2016 10:37:45 + schrieb Irrwahn : [ . . . ] > There is no such thing as a default PDF viewer for Devuan. Ok, i said it in the wrong way: Installing Devuan + LXDE desktop brings Evince ... My idea was simply, that's not really coherent with the idea of Devuan. Moreover, removing Evince does not create trouble to the meta package (which indeed can be removed as i remember from lubuntu). LX-QT, up to now, for what i saw in Manjaro is not really fun. I'll check out Atril ... (otherwise there is always xpdf ;) ). Cheers. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 14:07:52 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Mon, 23 May 2016 10:37:45 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > > [ . . . ] > >> There is no such thing as a default PDF viewer for Devuan. > > Ok, i said it in the wrong way: Installing Devuan + LXDE desktop brings > Evince ... My idea was simply, that's not really coherent with the idea > of Devuan. Well, the lxde package is inherited unaltered from Debian. :) > Moreover, removing Evince does not create trouble to the > meta package (which indeed can be removed as i remember from lubuntu). That's because Evince is only among the "Recommends" for lxde, not one of the "Depends". > LX-QT, up to now, for what i saw in Manjaro is not really fun. Have not really tried it exhaustively. But since it's the direction upstream decided to follow, it will eventually replace LXDE. Unless someone steps up to take over and continue maintaining LXDE. Which is not very likely - given that Gtk2 is effectively dead, and Gtk3 is a mess. > I'll > check out Atril ... (otherwise there is always xpdf ;) ). Oh sure, I guess xpdf will work just fine, plus it has much less dependencies compared to Atril, IIRC. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You want > atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went completely bonkers. > It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable degree. ah! thanks for this! *finally* I got rid of evince without giving up functionalities!! ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
I don't want divert the thread, but would like to widen it a bit. I have been using xpdf for viewing/printing PDF files, but it increasingly fails to print some PDFs, and so I look for alternatives. Appealing of MuPDF because of its simplicity and the quality of its display, but it lacks printing. I find qpdfview to be nice at first glance. It is simple and offers a print dialog. I see that it is automatically installed in Devuan Beta. In light of the discussion here, what is the difference between automatic installation and being default? If qpdfview is default, why do folks nevertheless turn to atril? Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
Thank you for all your work. | ISMAEL | - Original Message - From: aitor_czr To: KatolaZ ; Rainer Weikusat ; dng Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images Hi all, El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn escribió: Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit : > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > >>> version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the >>> live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your >>> drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful. >> The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why >> in the initramfs? > Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something > that I would like to support anyway. OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead? > rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot directly to the cdrom without and initramfs. >>> Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the >>> Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling. >> I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's >> kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to >> static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping >> the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you >> have undertaken. >> > That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the > initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be > as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose > size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I > won't dig in that direction, for the moment > >>> Otherwise we >>> could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal >>> distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be >>> *another* distribution, not a Devuan ;) >>> >> Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare, >> too incompatible with glibc. >> >> Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who >> do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just >> like to share them with knowledgeable people. >> > Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on > them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your > work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never > saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your > comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into > account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as > you have done so far :) > > Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to install beta on a desktop today :-) I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial packages of Devuan, in a *udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb". Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to eth0 typing: /usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0 Here you are the download zone: http://gnuinos.org/devuan/ Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the versions of the installed packages. Cheers, Aitor. -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:50:15 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You > want atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went > completely bonkers. It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable > degree. Thanks for the hint. I use mupdf as default pdf viewer which is amazingly fast and fully sufficient for the (my) very most use cases. Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off [SOLVED]
Am Mon, 23 May 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > Re: voice notifying - how to turn off (Irrwahn) I understood where the problem lay and so i solved: It was i had installed dex to give to jwm the possibility to autostart the .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart and in ~/.config/autostart; (in /etc/xdg/autostart there was the orca screen reader). So it was easy. But just a question for the notification daemon: /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon has to be there or is for example dunst intended to substitute it? TIA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
Thanks very mutch.It is so exiting,becouse fo a spesial filling for freedom and beauty. 23.05.2016, 10:09, "KatolaZ" : > Dear Devuaners, > > a new version of the Unofficial Devuan Minimal Live Images can be > downloaded at: > > http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu > > The images are available for amd64 and i386 (more architectures might > come out soon) and, despite including much more stuff, still fit into > 256MB of space, and can boot in as little as 58MB (i386) or 74MB > (amd64). Instructions to test them on qemu with framebuffer and sound > support are available on the webpage. > > I have codenamed these minimal live images "otello", after Otello > Urso, a blind friend of Freaknet who left us several years ago. Hence > the current version has codename "otello_devel3". Unfortunately, there > is no minor planet named "otello", even if there is a minor planet > called "Botello", but I am not too much convinced about it :) > > Here is the list of major changes: > > - initrd is much thinner, trimmed from most fat, xz-ed, and fits in > about 6.5MB (it was 29MB in the previous version). > > - the squashfs is xz-ed by default, but there are options to use > gzip/bzip2 as well (e.g. for slow machines) > > - boot options have been reorganised. Now the default is an > accessible boot with no framebuffer. The second option is > fb-enabled, but asks the user to choose among available > modes (vga=auto). Seems like a fair deal to me. > > - many packages added, from standard admin utilities to personal > production software, from games to stuff for multimedia (image, > sound, video playback/record/manipulation). > > The full list of packages is available on the webpage. > > I have incorporated most of the comments I have received here and > off-list. I am still working on a few points, which should be fixed by > the next release, including: > > - full support for an accessible boot, by including appropriate > beeps during the boot process, and at login. There are some at the > moment, but for some reason I can't make my qemu installation > produce any sound before linux starts... > > - full support for installation on disk. > > - full support for data persistence (i.e., mount /home from > somewhere). > > You will also find the scripts I have used to produce the images in > the devel branch of the gitlab page of the project: > > https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/devuan-live-minimal/tree/devel > > BE CAREFUL: THE README IS NOT UPDATED, AND DOES NOT REFLECT EXACTLY > THE CURRENT STATE OF THE DEVEL BRANCH. IN PARTICULAR, STAGES 3-5 ARE > NOW FULLY AUTOMATIC. I WILL UPDATE IT ASAP AND LET YOU KNOW. > > As usual, comments, suggestions, and criticism are very welcome. > > HH > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] logout does not work
This problem is driving me nuts: I cannot logout neither from lxde using lxde-logout nor from jwm using jwm -exit. And even C-A-Backsp does not work. I'm logged out yes, but then i end up in dead terminal with the underline cursor up left. This is true as any user, also as root. The /var/log/slim.log does not tell anything interesting. I installed lightdm, to see if it's in some way eventually a slim problem but it isn't. But the logfile, eventually, tells something (but i'm not really able to understand). This are the last lines: [+27.22s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: User <> authorized [+27.22s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: Greeter sets language de_DE.utf8 [+27.27s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: Greeter requests session jwm [+27.27s] DEBUG: Seat: Stopping greeter; display server will be re-used for user session [+27.27s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: Sending SIGTERM [+27.30s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: Greeter closed communication channel [+27.30s] DEBUG: Session pid=2982: Exited with return value 0 [+27.30s] DEBUG: Seat: Session stopped [+27.30s] DEBUG: Seat: Greeter stopped, running session [+27.30s] DEBUG: Registering session with bus path /org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0 [+27.30s] DEBUG: Session pid=4517: Running command /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/jwm [+27.30s] DEBUG: Creating shared data directory /var/lib/lightdm/data/<> [+27.30s] DEBUG: Session pid=4517: Logging to .xsession-errors [+27.44s] DEBUG: Activating VT 7 [+27.44s] DEBUG: Activating ConsoleKit session e3ac7b4a2da4fecc7b2c5bed5740af60-1464012627.597710-1157014337 [+27.44s] WARNING: Error activating ConsoleKit session: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.CkVtMonitorError.Code0: Session is already active I'm absolutely clueless - especially since it worked for a moment. But i didn't do anything and after a restart it was all over ... :-( ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off [SOLVED]
On Mon, 23 May 2016 16:08:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] > (in /etc/xdg/autostart there was the orca screen reader). So it was > easy. Now, that makes sense. :) [...] > /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon has to be there or is > for example dunst intended to substitute it? That file seems to be part of the GNOME notification-daemon. I tried on my system and it went away after purging notification-daemon. (I have no idea why it was installed, anyway; thanks for triggering removal of yet another stale Gnome component from my machine. :-) Dunst definitely does not rely on that file. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] voice notifying - how to turn off
Hi , I will tel you two things and ask for help First one in my Devuan1 lxde are many terminals , some on LXDE and some on Debian blok. No one works.Example:LXterminal(sad@devuan: `s) I type command and than I see: " sad is not in sudo system.We will report this crash. Second: when I installed smplayer from synaptic, it has no film,but only voice. How is this posibel? Pleas help me. Thanks Sad 23.05.2016, 13:09, "Irrwahn" : > On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:37:34 +0200, Emninger wrote: >> All of a sudden i'm getting many notifying msgs as voice msg as well >> (also all i do in synaptic or sakura may be even other programs). Now, >> i'd like to know, which is the standard notify daemon for devuan and if >> it can eventually turned off/removed (and be substituted bei dunst)? > > That, again, depends (at least to some degree) on the desktop > environment you are using. E.g. for Xfce it's xfce4-notifyd. > > The package notification-daemon is provided by the following > packages. A quick look in aptitude reveals (WARNING: my list > contains also non-Jessie versions!): > > --\ Versions of notification-daemon (19) > p xfce4-notifyd 0.2.4-3 > i xfce4-notifyd 0.2.4-3+b1 > p A 0.7.6-2 > p notify-osd 0.9.34-2 > p notify-osd 0.9.35+15.04.20150126-1 > p lxqt-notificationd 0.10.0-2 > p python-jarabe 0.106.1-1 > p dunst 1.1.0-1 > p dunst 1.1.0-2 > p mate-notification-daemon 1.8.1-3 > p mate-notification-daemon 1.12.1-1 > p cinnamon 2.2.16-5 > p cinnamon 2.8.7-1 > p cinnamon 3.0.2-2 > p gnome-shell 3.18.1-1 > i A 3.20.0-1 > p gnome-shell 3.20.2-1 > p plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.11.13-2 > p plasma-workspace 4:5.4.3-2 > >> Or, otherwise, how to turn off the voice notifying. > > I assume that would depend on the actual notification daemon > currently installed. Not really sure, though. > > HTH, Regards > Urban > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 117
El 23/05/16 a las 14:00, fsmithred escribió: I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging in as root did not work, either. You are right, i' try to fix this issue today. In Gnuinos i always include: d-i passwd/root-login boolean false in the preseed.cfg file, because i use to leave the root password blank. Thank your raising it :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
El 23/05/16 a las 14:00, fsmithred escribió: I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging in as root did not work, either. You are right, i' try to fix this issue today. In Gnuinos i always include: d-i passwd/root-login boolean false in the preseed.cfg file, because i use to leave the root password blank. Thanks your raising it :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
El 23/05/16 a las 12:37, KatolaZ escribió: Dear Devuaners, a new version of the Unofficial Devuan Minimal Live Images can be downloaded at: http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu The images are available for amd64 and i386 (more architectures might come out soon) and, despite including much more stuff, still fit into 256MB of space, and can boot in as little as 58MB (i386) or 74MB (amd64). Instructions to test them on qemu with framebuffer and sound support are available on the webpage. I have codenamed these minimal live images "otello", after Otello Urso, a blind friend of Freaknet who left us several years ago. Hence the current version has codename "otello_devel3". Unfortunately, there is no minor planet named "otello", even if there is a minor planet called "Botello", but I am not too much convinced about it:) Here is the list of major changes: - initrd is much thinner, trimmed from most fat, xz-ed, and fits in about 6.5MB (it was 29MB in the previous version). - the squashfs is xz-ed by default, but there are options to use gzip/bzip2 as well (e.g. for slow machines) - boot options have been reorganised. Now the default is an accessible boot with no framebuffer. The second option is fb-enabled, but asks the user to choose among available modes (vga=auto). Seems like a fair deal to me. - many packages added, from standard admin utilities to personal production software, from games to stuff for multimedia (image, sound, video playback/record/manipulation). The full list of packages is available on the webpage. I have incorporated most of the comments I have received here and off-list. I am still working on a few points, which should be fixed by the next release, including: - full support for an accessible boot, by including appropriate beeps during the boot process, and at login. There are some at the moment, but for some reason I can't make my qemu installation produce any sound before linux starts... - full support for installation on disk. - full support for data persistence (i.e., mount /home from somewhere). You will also find the scripts I have used to produce the images in the devel branch of the gitlab page of the project: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/devuan-live-minimal/tree/devel BE CAREFUL: THE README IS NOT UPDATED, AND DOES NOT REFLECT EXACTLY THE CURRENT STATE OF THE DEVEL BRANCH. IN PARTICULAR, STAGES 3-5 ARE NOW FULLY AUTOMATIC. I WILL UPDATE IT ASAP AND LET YOU KNOW. As usual, comments, suggestions, and criticism are very welcome. HH KatolaZ Hi KatolaZ, There are two initrd's in the iso of 32 bits: initrd_devuan.img (6,8 MiB) initrd_devuan_micro.img (6,1 MiB) I suppose that the first one is superfluous. Isn't it? Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 06:50:28PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > Hi KatolaZ, > > There are two initrd's in the iso of 32 bits: > > initrd_devuan.img (6,8 MiB) > initrd_devuan_micro.img (6,1 MiB) > > I suppose that the first one is superfluous. Isn't it? > Hi Aitor, thanks a lot for spotting that :) Indeed, we are using only initrd_devuan_micro.img at the moment. I have checked that the amd64 version does not have it, and I will remove the unneeded one from the i386 image. Since it is xz-ed, this will reduce the whole image disk footprint by a good 6.8MB :) Thanks KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
Modified refractasnapshot to make a snapshot of a system other than the one you're running. The snapshotted system only needs live-boot* and live-config* packages installed. The refractasnapshot deps and the script only need to be installed on the host system. Works on a mounted filesystem or a directory where you did a debootstrap install. It does not ask any questions - all variables are hard-coded, so it can run automatically. It assumes that you have refractasnapshot and its dependencies installed, so it can use /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/iso as a source of files for the isolinux directory in the live media. You can change that. Check the variables in the head of the script before you run it. Here's the script and the excludes list. https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/87b68418207daf095efc6b3cd0aea05d https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/9a4ee2b152f637f0fc6d3af269ca23ec This should make the micro image even smaller and save you from removing some packages at the end of the process. Feel free to adapt it to your needs. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:58:53 +0200 Irrwahn wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 07:45:40 +0200, Emninger wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I do not know if it is intended to do such trivial suggestions > > but ... ;) > > > > Being on my way to adapt my (jwm/fluxbox) setup to what i had > > before on slackware, i stumbled into this: Devuan comes with evince > > by default. > > There is no such thing as a default PDF viewer for Devuan. > > Evince is the default PDF viewer for GNOME, IIRC. As such, I > suspect it's also the default PDF viewer fo Cinnamon. A quick > look into what packages *Depend* on it seems to confirm that. > The lxde package package has it as a "Recommends". Another > "improvement" by the packager to an otherwise fine desktop > environment. > > However, as LXDE is going to go away in favor of LXQt, I > expect lxde package to take its idiotic dependencies on > random GNOME crap with it into oblivion. > > BTW: Everyone who liked Evince, as it was in the GNOME 2 > days might want to have a look at Atril, a fork of Evince. I personally use mupdf. Lightweight, operates with simple, Vim-like hotkeys. But Evince had one thing mupdf doesn't: A print function. A lot of times a PDF that won't print right just by saying lpr -P myprinter mypdf.pdf will print just fine if printed from Evince. Based on your recommendation, I just installed Atril, and can confirm that it, too, has a print function. So now, between mupdf and Atril, I have pretty much all my bases covered. Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:59:15 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > In light of the discussion here, what is the difference between > automatic installation and being default? If qpdfview is default, why > do folks nevertheless turn to atril? Ability to print. SteveT Steve Litt May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Steve Litt wrote: > But Evince had one thing mupdf doesn't: A print function. A lot of > times a PDF that won't print right just by saying lpr -P myprinter > mypdf.pdf will print just fine if printed from Evince. yep, that kept me stuck with evince all this time and until now. hence my enthusiasm for Atril. sorry mupdf but... I have no use for a PDF viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 07:49:13PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016, Steve Litt wrote: > > > But Evince had one thing mupdf doesn't: A print function. A lot of > > times a PDF that won't print right just by saying lpr -P myprinter > > mypdf.pdf will print just fine if printed from Evince. > > yep, that kept me stuck with evince all this time and until now. hence > my enthusiasm for Atril. sorry mupdf but... I have no use for a PDF > viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) or zathura, for that matter :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 13:23:20 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:58:53 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: [...] >> BTW: Everyone who liked Evince, as it was in the GNOME 2 >> days might want to have a look at Atril, a fork of Evince. [...] > Based on your recommendation, I just installed Atril, and can confirm > that it, too, has a print function. So now, between mupdf and Atril, I > have pretty much all my bases covered. > > Thanks! You're welcome, but I guess we both should thank the fine guys running the MATE project. They are the ones keeping the GNOME2 tools alive, not all of which were bad - Atril just being one example. The only difficulty being to find out the MATE name of the corresponding GNOME tool. ;D (Another example would be EOM, which is a simple and very fast image viewer, clone of EOG.) Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
El 23/05/16 a las 18:57, KatolaZ escribió: Hi Aitor, thanks a lot for spotting that:) Indeed, we are using only initrd_devuan_micro.img at the moment. I have checked that the amd64 version does not have it, and I will remove the unneeded one from the i386 image. Since it is xz-ed, this will reduce the whole image disk footprint by a good 6.8MB:) Thanks KatolaZ Mmmmh..., i still didn't test it. I only uncompressed the filesystem.squashfs, but i suspect that this initrd will produce a kernel panic. The system will find a file named initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586, and it doesn't exist. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
Hi frs, El 23/05/16 a las 19:13, fsmithred escribió: Modified refractasnapshot to make a snapshot of a system other than the one you're running. The snapshotted system only needs live-boot* and live-config* packages installed. The refractasnapshot deps and the script only need to be installed on the host system. Works on a mounted filesystem or a directory where you did a debootstrap install. It does not ask any questions - all variables are hard-coded, so it can run automatically. It assumes that you have refractasnapshot and its dependencies installed, so it can use /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/iso as a source of files for the isolinux directory in the live media. You can change that. Check the variables in the head of the script before you run it. Here's the script and the excludes list. https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/87b68418207daf095efc6b3cd0aea05d https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/9a4ee2b152f637f0fc6d3af269ca23ec This should make the micro image even smaller and save you from removing some packages at the end of the process. Feel free to adapt it to your needs. -fsr Thanks, but i removed all the dependencies. They are included in the iso image, in a folder "unnoficial-packages/refracta-tools" together with refractainstaller-base and refractasnapshot-base. They are the following: isolinux libburn4 libisoburn1 libisofs6 libjte1 liblzo2-2 mtools rsync squashfs-tools syslinux syslinux-common xorriso Thanks again :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
Am Mon, 23 May 2016 18:11:51 + schrieb Irrwahn : > (Another example would be EOM, which is a simple and very > fast image viewer, clone of EOG.) Offtopic, but: Why not viewnior? It's fast, small and very efficient (i knew it from crunchbang which for sure was not that bad as distro). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- Update
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 08:05:18PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > El 23/05/16 a las 18:57, KatolaZ escribió: > >Hi Aitor, > > > >thanks a lot for spotting that:) Indeed, we are using only > >initrd_devuan_micro.img at the moment. I have checked that the amd64 > >version does not have it, and I will remove the unneeded one from the > >i386 image. Since it is xz-ed, this will reduce the whole image disk > >footprint by a good 6.8MB:) > > > >Thanks > > > >KatolaZ > > Mmmmh..., i still didn't test it. I only uncompressed the > filesystem.squashfs, but i suspect that this initrd will produce a > kernel panic. The system will find a file named > initrd.img-3.16.0-4-586, and it doesn't exist. > Well, in the minimal live images I put online the system is instructed to look for initrd_devuan_micro.img, so there is no kernel panic. It should not be too difficult to do the same in grub, if you want. I don't want to use the same name as the initrd provided with the standard kernel, since mine is not the same guy :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:49:24 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Mon, 23 May 2016 18:11:51 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > >> (Another example would be EOM, which is a simple and very >> fast image viewer, clone of EOG.) > > Offtopic, but: Why not viewnior? It's fast, small and very efficient (i > knew it from crunchbang which for sure was not that bad as distro). Oh, there's absolutely nothing wrong with viewnior. I was just trying to make a point about the MATE forks of GNOME desktop utilities. FWIW, there is a whole host of quite similar image viewers available from the repositories. I simply stuck with EOM because I was used to EOG before. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: > You're welcome, but I guess we both should thank the fine > guys running the MATE project. They are the ones keeping > the GNOME2 tools alive you are right here. There are a lot of developers out there who are so deep into development work that is hardly visible from a user POV. on another note I wonder if all this knowledge put forward here, for example on this thread on what is good for the PDF viewer functionality, can be gathered into a sort of wiki document. IT would be useful to have a menu structure that is our *recommendation* to use applications for simple tasks to be done on a minimal desktop with maximum functionality. perhaps we should really use talk.devuan.org for that. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:16:51 +0200, Jaromil wrote: [...] > on another note I wonder if all this knowledge put forward here, for > example on this thread on what is good for the PDF viewer > functionality, can be gathered into a sort of wiki document. IT would > be useful to have a menu structure that is our *recommendation* to use > applications for simple tasks to be done on a minimal desktop with > maximum functionality. While I consider this a sound idea, one should keep in mind that those recommendations should take into account the desktop environments. For example, I'd hesitate to unconditionally suggest a Qt-based tool to someone using a pure Gtk destop, because of the potential overhead involved (think libraries, etc.). What I'm trying to convey is, that the task might turn out to be not as straightforward as it looks on first glance. I still think it's worth to have stab at! > perhaps we should really use talk.devuan.org for that. It'd be the most adequate place to put it, wouldn't it? [OT rant] Please don't get me wrong now: I certainly do not want to denigrate anyone's work here, nor impose my personal views upon anybody, but: Every time I open the talk page I feel a bit like I am trapped in some kind of weird surreal psychedelic candy dreamland. ;^) I'd rather fight a wall of text in some prehistoric fixed width font, than wearing my eyes out on that fancy web design. (It actually gets a bit easier on my aging eyes when I toggle off the colors.) Again, no offense intended! [/OT rant] Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
W dniu 23.05.2016 o 08:50, Adam Borowski pisze: > Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You want > atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went completely bonkers. > It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable degree. I like evince on Debian Wheezy. I would like to switch to atril. Has it OCR and support to DjVu file? Regards Paweł signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] How to change default session
Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the "memory" function)? I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). I found an instruction on arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLIM) but it's not really clear to me. When there already a session is default, it should be trivial to substitute that by another one (??) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
W dniu 23.05.2016 o 20:00, Irrwahn pisze: > (Another example would be EOM, which is a simple and very > fast image viewer, clone of EOG.) Good to know :-) Regards Paweł signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 22:11:04 +0200, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > W dniu 23.05.2016 o 08:50, Adam Borowski pisze: >> Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You want >> atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went completely bonkers. >> It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable degree. > > I like evince on Debian Wheezy. I would like to switch to atril. Has it > OCR and support to DjVu file? Yes. Atril effectively *is* Evince, just without that nasty Gnome3 look. HTH Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : I have no use for a PDF viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) ___ Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like one of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf viewers, or is it that Emacs wants to become a DE by itself. I read once it can also send mails, and it can act as an IDE. I use it only to edit files - and for Dr psychologist :-) Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Mon, 23 May 2016 22:10:47 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for > slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the > "memory" function)? > > I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to > automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). I found an > instruction on arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLIM) > but it's not really clear to me. > > When there already a session is default, it should be trivial to > substitute that by another one (??) Apparently, with SLiM there isn't. All information I dug up amounts to some intricate messing with .xinitrc and/or .xsessionrc. I actually tried (thanks to you I now have a Jessie VM with lightdm, slim, lxde and jwm installed ;D), but to no avail - it's a total mess and I'd expect it to break the moment I turn away. Taking into account that the SLiM project is abandoned [1], plus there were some other more severe problems with it (if my memory serves me right), I am not sure if it's the right tool to use for a display manager nowadays. I'd go with lightdm (and I actually do), for it just works out of the box and is in active development. But that's just my personal two cents worth. Sorry I cannot be of much more help here. [1] Cf. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM Regards Irrwahn ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Le 23/05/2016 22:10, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit : Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the "memory" function)? I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). I found an instruction on arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLIM) but it's not really clear to me. When there already a session is default, it should be trivial to substitute that by another one (??) ___ Doesn't slim use the last one on next session? Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : >> I have no use for a PDF >> viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) >> ___ > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like one > of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf viewers, > or is it that Emacs wants to become a DE by itself. I read once it can > also send mails, and it can act as an IDE. I use it only to edit files > - and for Dr psychologist :-) Emacs is a somewhat old-fashioned/ traditional[*] Lisp implemenation with some built-in support for text editing. Which implies one can write applications for it. The 'IDE' features (except SCM integration) are IMHO less useful, at least for me, as my development environment is usually 'disintegrated' --- the files I'm editing almost never reside on the machine the editor runs on but (literally) anywhere else on the globe. But I've been using Gnus for USENET and e-mail since some time in 1999 an I'm very happy with it (no sub-standard text editors for writing text, not even mails!). More recently, I've also started using an elisp IRC client as my employer as dropped Skype for 'team chats' (great improvement). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016 23:16:48 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : >> I have no use for a PDF >> viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) >> ___ > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like one > of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf viewers, or > is it that Emacs wants to become a DE by itself. I read once it can also > send mails, and it can act as an IDE. I use it only to edit files - and > for Dr psychologist :-) There's this age-old joke: "Emacs is a great operating system, it lacks a good editor, though." Maybe if someone could add some system init code and process supervision functionality to it, that would shed a whole new light on the current systemDebacle. Hrm. Don't bother, I see myself out. :X Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
Rainer Weikusat writes: [...] > Emacs is a somewhat old-fashioned/ traditional[*] Lisp implemenation [*] It doesn't support lexical scoping. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 08:59:15 -0400 > Haines Brown wrote: > > > > In light of the discussion here, what is the difference between > > automatic installation and being default? If qpdfview is default, why > > do folks nevertheless turn to atril? > > Ability to print. Does not seem to be true. I can display a pdf with gpdfview, and have no problem printing and even open some print options such as number of pages. Haines ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:10:47PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for > slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the > "memory" function)? > > I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to > automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). update-alternatives --config x-session-manager -- An imaginary friend squared is a real enemy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
I'd love to install Atril, but after an "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" it's no longer in the repositories for AntiX. I'm not sure why that is. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On 05/23/2016 04:10 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for > slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the > "memory" function)? > > I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to > automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). I found an > instruction on arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLIM) > but it's not really clear to me. > > When there already a session is default, it should be trivial to > substitute that by another one (??) > ___ This should do it. Run as user: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:29:30PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Rainer Weikusat writes: > > [...] > > > Emacs is a somewhat old-fashioned/ traditional[*] Lisp implemenation > > [*] It doesn't support lexical scoping. That's what's old-fashioned about it. And there's some work on changing this, but given the sheer amount of existig elisp code that relies on no lexical scoping, even if only by accident, it'll probably take decades to get there. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] what Emacs really is, jokes aside.
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:16:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : > >I have no use for a PDF > >viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) > >___ > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like > one of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf > viewers, or is it that Emacs wants to become a DE by itself. I read > once it can also send mails, and it can act as an IDE. I use it only > to edit files - and for Dr psychologist :-) > > Didier Emacs is not trying to be a development environment; it always was one. Emacs is an excellent user interface, development environment, and desktop for ancient, text-only terminals. That's what it was for back in the day. That's what it still is. But people seem to be able to afford better terminals these days. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
[Re-post to list, accidentally hit wrong reply button.] On Tue, 24 May 2016 01:06:23 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:10:47PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: >> Where it is coded, that lxde (startlxde) is the default session (for >> slim; it's also the topmost one in lightdm, but lightdm has the >> "memory" function)? >> >> I can cycle thru the available sessions by F1 but i would prefer to >> automatically have jwm as default (and not lxde). > > update-alternatives --config x-session-manager Yeah, that's the theory. But did you actually try that? Here's what I see on a fresh Devuan Jessie with slim, lxde and jwm: + | $ update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | There are 3 choices for the alternative x-session-manager | (providing /usr/bin/x-session-manager). | | SelectionPath Priority Status | | * 0/usr/bin/startlxde 50auto mode | 1/usr/bin/lxsession 49manual mode | 2/usr/bin/openbox-session 40manual mode | 3/usr/bin/startlxde 50manual mode + And then there is this: + | $ update-alternatives --config x-window-manager | There are 2 choices for the alternative x-window-manager | (providing /usr/bin/x-window-manager). | | SelectionPath Priority Status | | * 0/usr/bin/openbox 90auto mode | 1/usr/bin/jwm 20manual mode | 2/usr/bin/openbox 90manual mode + Whatever combination I chose, none resulted in slim starting a jwm session by default, i.e. without going through the F1 menu. OTOH, after switching the default display manger, lightdm happily remembers my last selection for which session to start, be it jwm or lxde. Conclusion: SLiM is broken, possibly even FUBAR. Which might be an explanation why its development ceased, but now that's me just guessing. ;-) Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > Doesn't slim use the last one on next session? Unfortunately not; lightdm does. PS. If lightdm is the future: is there a way to free it from the gnome-accessibility and other dependencies? May be someone able to package can have a look at? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + schrieb Adam Borowski update-alternatives --config x-session-manager That's it!! :) Now, there remains the question: How can i add JWM to the recognized sessions?f 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' only sees lxsession, startlxde and openbox but not JWM. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Tue, 24 May 2016 06:58:10 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] > PS. If lightdm is the future: is there a way to free it from the > gnome-accessibility and other dependencies? May be someone able to > package can have a look at? No need to, since there is no such dependency at all: /lightdm_1.10.3-3_amd64.deb --\ Depends (11) --- adduser --- dbus --- debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 --- libc6 (>= 2.14) --- libgcrypt20 (>= 1.6.0) --- libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3) --- libpam-systemd | consolekit --- libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1) --- libxcb1 --- libxdmcp6 --- lightdm-gtk-greeter | lightdm-greeter --\ Recommends (1) --- xserver-xorg HTH, Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > update-alternatives --config x-session-manager Addendum: I reflected a bit about the problem how to add jwm to the available choices for update alternatives: I looked into x-session-manager and i found this lines: #!/bin/sh export XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share/gdm/:/var/lib/menu-xdg/" if [ -z "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME" ]; then export XDG_CONFIG_HOME="$HOME/.config" fi # Ensure the existance of openbox config file OPENBOX_CONF_DIR="$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/openbox" if [ ! -f "$OPENBOX_CONF_DIR/lxde-rc.xml" ]; then mkdir -p "$OPENBOX_CONF_DIR" cp /etc/xdg/openbox/LXDE/rc.xml "$OPENBOX_CONF_DIR/lxde-rc.xml" fi Now, jwm has ~.jwmrc (which indicates the nothing else than the config files (groups, keys, menu, preferences, start, theme, tray) which sit in ~/.jwm. I think it should be possible to add to x-session-manager some lines which integrate jwm, but i'm not skilled enough to do that (for sure i'd break something ;) ). If needed, i could move the directory of the jwm config files from ~.jmw to ~/.config/jwm for example ... Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestion. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:05:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + > schrieb Adam Borowski >> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager > > That's it!! :) No, it's not. But see below. > Now, there remains the question: > > How can i add JWM to the recognized sessions?f 'update-alternatives > --config x-session-manager' only sees lxsession, startlxde and openbox > but not JWM. Since JWM does not come with its own session manager, probably only by messing with the X session startup scripts in /etc/X11. Unless you _really_ know what you are doing, that's an excellent way to mess up your system. And even if you succeed will it probably break on every other future X update. If you really want to take that route: Good luck with that. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:39:00 +0200 Irrwahn wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:05:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: > > Am Tue, 24 May 2016 00:42:55 + > > schrieb Adam Borowski > > >> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager > > > > That's it!! :) > > No, it's not. But see below. > > > Now, there remains the question: > > > > How can i add JWM to the recognized sessions?f 'update-alternatives > > --config x-session-manager' only sees lxsession, startlxde and > > openbox but not JWM. > > Since JWM does not come with its own session manager, probably > only by messing with the X session startup scripts in /etc/X11. > Unless you _really_ know what you are doing, that's an excellent > way to mess up your system. And even if you succeed will it > probably break on every other future X update. Why can't he just hard-code jwm or its session into .xsessionrc ? I don't boot straight into GUI (I use startx) so my experience is slightly different, but I just put my desired window manager session program into my .xinitrc. Here it is for my Openbox Daily Driver Desktop: #!/bin/sh xrdb -load /home/slitt/.Xdefaults #exec startlxde #gconftool-2 --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop --type boolean false exec /usr/bin/openbox-session SteveT Steve Litt May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Am Tue, 24 May 2016 05:41:47 + schrieb Irrwahn : > If you really want to take that route: Good luck with that. I understand :) And, no, i will not!!! I don't want to stress the people willed to help ;) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
Am Tue, 24 May 2016 05:41:47 + schrieb Irrwahn : > No need to, since there is no such dependency at all: > > /lightdm_1.10.3-3_amd64.deb > --\ Depends (11) > --- adduser > --- dbus > --- debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 > --- libc6 (>= 2.14) > --- libgcrypt20 (>= 1.6.0) > --- libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3) > --- libpam-systemd | consolekit > --- libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1) > --- libxcb1 > --- libxdmcp6 > --- lightdm-gtk-greeter | lightdm-greeter > --\ Recommends (1) > --- xserver-xorg > > HTH, Regards > Urban I see. But why, when i install lightdm, then it always installs gnome-accessibility-themes as well? That's true (here) for either using apt-get or synaptic. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:29:30PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Rainer Weikusat writes: > > > > [...] > > > > > Emacs is a somewhat old-fashioned/ traditional[*] Lisp implemenation > > > > [*] It doesn't support lexical scoping. > > That's what's old-fashioned about it. And there's some work on > changing this, but given the sheer amount of existig elisp code that > relies on no lexical scoping, even if only by accident, it'll > probably take decades to get there. I doubt it will. Rainer hits the spot as this is the main single thing curbing the growth of Emacs on the long term. Personally and daydreaming, on the longlong term :^) I'd rather appreciate an effort that ditches elisp alltogether, learning from the goods and bads of Emacs, and builds something on a more modern LISP interpreter like Guile2 or even better Clojure. I'm a big fan of the latter actually, its a pity that most editors written in clj are proprietary. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : > >I have no use for a PDF > >viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) > >___ > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like > one of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf > viewers, or is it it is rather useless indeed. I do love not having to leave Emacs to do things. however I don't use PDF a lot (only when people force me to) and for that Emacs is not the most comfortable thing. its rendering quality is also quite bad actually. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 23:16:48 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 23/05/2016 19:49, Jaromil a écrit : > >> I have no use for a PDF > >> viewer that can't print. Else I'd just use Emacs for that too ;^) > >> ___ > > > > Indeed it does! I didn't even thought to try that. Looks like one > > of these useless features in Emacs, given the number of pdf viewers, or > > is it that Emacs wants to become a DE by itself. I read once it can also > > send mails, and it can act as an IDE. I use it only to edit files - and > > for Dr psychologist :-) > > There's this age-old joke: > > "Emacs is a great operating system, it lacks a good editor, though." ahah, this list has been through enough and has enough mature people around now that not even a flame on Emacs will start :^) incredible > Maybe if someone could add some system init code and process > supervision functionality to it, that would shed a whole new > light on the current systemDebacle. now one could argue that by using LISP or its dialect to build something, no matter how big and invasive is, even as invasive as systemd, it will never be as bad as if coding it in C. This because of the nature of "dependencies" in LISP when written in proper stateless form. This is one of the reasons I do love the effort of GNU DMD (now renamed Sheperd) as a init system, because is written in Guile (scheme dialect of LISP). ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince
On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote: > On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:16:51 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > [...] > > on another note I wonder if all this knowledge put forward here, > > for example on this thread on what is good for the PDF viewer > > functionality, can be gathered into a sort of wiki document. IT > > would be useful to have a menu structure that is our > > *recommendation* to use applications for simple tasks to be done > > on a minimal desktop with maximum functionality. > While I consider this a sound idea, one should keep in mind that > those recommendations should take into account the desktop > environments. For example, I'd hesitate to unconditionally suggest a > Qt-based tool to someone using a pure Gtk destop, because of the > potential overhead involved (think libraries, etc.). What I'm trying > to convey is, that the task might turn out to be not as > straightforward as it looks on first glance. I still think it's > worth to have stab at! yes you are right. A good start could be to draft this for the default desktop (XFCE) keeping in mind recommended applications should add as less dependencies as possible to it (XFCE has already many...) also I come to think such a list should be in a plain/text tree format like YAML, so that can be programmatically parsed to create a usable menu, unlikely the .desktop generated one which is ridicolously unhandy (as previously mentioned also here) > > perhaps we should really use talk.devuan.org for that. > > It'd be the most adequate place to put it, wouldn't it? > [OT rant] Every time I open the talk page I feel a bit like I am > trapped in some kind of weird surreal psychedelic candy > dreamland. ;^) not so OT and you are not alone thinking this. yet having talk facilitates welcoming users from another age of computing. also, under the hood, handles larger masses of participants (has very sophisticated rating and such) and integrates a single-signon with gitlab. overall its a compromise. I wish we don't need to force anyone to use it (me included, as a lover of all text things) and there may be even some hooks to text editors for it (in the future?). yet it is the single best option we have right now for a maintainable wiki for the Devuan project. The other option being wikis on gitlab (not so handy and taxing for the system they run on) and markdown pages edited via Git just like code (my favorite, but has a steep adoption curve for those not used to Git). So that's why I mention. But I hear you. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to change default session
On Tue, 24 May 2016 02:16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:39:00 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 May 2016 07:05:30 +0200, Emninger wrote: [...] >>> How can i add JWM to the recognized sessions?f 'update-alternatives >>> --config x-session-manager' only sees lxsession, startlxde and >>> openbox but not JWM. >> >> Since JWM does not come with its own session manager, probably >> only by messing with the X session startup scripts in /etc/X11. [...] > Why can't he just hard-code jwm or its session into .xsessionrc ? [...] I tried that a few days ago, and got some ... umm ... "interesting" results. I just tried that again on a clean VM install (dropped a one-liner for ~/.xsessionrc) and at first it did indeed look better. However, after exiting from jwm immediately the (default) lxde session came up, and I had to in turn log out of that to return to the DM (lightdm or slim, either one). On second thought that's not surprising, so I added exit 0 to .xsessionrc, e viola: exiting from jwm dropped me back to the DM. *However*, I am not entirely convinced that method has no other drawbacks besides the obvious flaw that I now can no longer log into another session type by selecting it in the display manger. Clearly more hacking is needed here! And all that just to keep a deprecated, broken display manager. But, oh well! :P Anyway, thanks for the heads up! :) Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
