Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > >version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the > >live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your > >drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful. > The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why > in the initramfs? Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something that I would like to support anyway. > > > >>rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot > >>directly to the cdrom without and initramfs. > >> > >Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the > >Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling. > > I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's > kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to > static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping > the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you > have undertaken. > That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I won't dig in that direction, for the moment > > Otherwise we > >could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal > >distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be > >*another* distribution, not a Devuan ;) > > > > Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare, > too incompatible with glibc. > > Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who > do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just > like to share them with knowledgeable people. > Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as you have done so far :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Pi hole
I installed Pi Hole (https://pi-hole.net/) with the default install script on a Pi 2 with Devuan Beta and it works fine. Due to the minimal base install it is quite fast and I can recommend it's ads killing feature. I have not the slightest idea about packaging but it would be certainly a useful addition to the Devuan repo. Grtz (c) ;) Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful. The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why in the initramfs? Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something that I would like to support anyway. OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead? rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot directly to the cdrom without and initramfs. Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling. I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you have undertaken. That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I won't dig in that direction, for the moment Otherwise we could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be *another* distribution, not a Devuan ;) Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare, too incompatible with glibc. Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just like to share them with knowledgeable people. Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as you have done so far :) Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to install beta on a desktop today :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pi hole
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:58:11PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > I installed Pi Hole (https://pi-hole.net/) with the default install script > on a Pi 2 with Devuan Beta and it works fine. Due to the minimal base > install it is quite fast and I can recommend it's ads killing feature. I > have not the slightest idea about packaging but it would be certainly a > useful addition to the Devuan repo. Yay curl|bash. I'd say recommending such a command as their installation method means their view on security is so bad that no one should touch them with a $LENGTH pole. -- An imaginary friend squared is a real enemy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings
Thank you very mutch ! 21.05.2016, 01:54, "Jaromil" : > hoy Sadegh > > On Fri, 20 May 2016, Sadegh Sadegh wrote: > >> Hi, I am a simple linux user without technical knowledg,how liks use >> devuan,but I can't find a simple installation guid for devuan . I >> like install it like uefi-very simple-is that possible? > > https://www.nllgg.nl/linux/beginnen-met-linux > > devuan installer is the same as debian https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI > > plus for a beginner livecd can be easier, see > http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/other/ > > or refracta itself which is based on Devuan > http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/current/ > >> From Holland-my english is not good,I'm sory. > > no problem, good luck and happy hacking! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pi hole
lol! :D
The shellshock incident wasn't a big incident for me. Prompt patching
can save your day many times over. Thank God bash is supported by the
community and not ${Corporations[$RANDOM]}!
/fuumind
lör 2016-05-21 klockan 16:43 +0200 skrev Adam Borowski:
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:58:11PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> > I installed Pi Hole (https://pi-hole.net/) with the default install script
> > on a Pi 2 with Devuan Beta and it works fine. Due to the minimal base
> > install it is quite fast and I can recommend it's ads killing feature. I
> > have not the slightest idea about packaging but it would be certainly a
> > useful addition to the Devuan repo.
>
> Yay curl|bash. I'd say recommending such a command as their installation
> method means their view on security is so bad that no one should touch them
> with a $LENGTH pole.
>
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[DNG] servfail dev-1.org
Hi, for me 'dig www.dev-1.org' return ; <<>> DiG 9.8.4-rpz2+rl005.12-P1 <<>> www.dev-1.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 38486 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.dev-1.org. IN A ;; Query time: 196 msec ;; SERVER: 62.179.1.63#53(62.179.1.63) ;; WHEN: Sat May 21 20:57:36 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31 and www service via this domain name is unavailable. All request dig dev-1.org @ns*.dyne.org return servfail too. Regards Paweł signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] sudo or su?
I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to have root and (a) user. Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or 'su -c + command'? TIA! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] some problems with login after fresh install of jessie (solved)
Am Sat, 21 May 2016 00:44:24 + schrieb emnin...@riseup.net: > Just to clarify, happens the same with lightdm. The slim.log file, i > deleted the old one, so it's a fresh on, just after hanging, says: > > > slim: unexpected signal 15 > > slim: waiting for X server to shut down > > slim: waiting for X server to begin accepting connections. > > > The F1 session choice is there for me as well, but it does not bring > me anywhere (only the empty yellow window). > > Just guessing in the dark: I installed lilo as a booloader (not > grub) ... (???) I finished with doing a fresh new install and now it seems fine. Problem solved so far. Thanks to all for their help! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] sudo or su?
Read this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35338/su-vs-sudo-s-vs-sudo-i-vs-sudo-bash Paweł W dniu 21.05.2016 o 23:22, emnin...@riseup.net pisze: > I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to > have root and (a) user. > > Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. > Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or > 'su -c + command'? > > TIA! > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] sudo or su?
On Sat, 21 May 2016 23:22:35 +0200 wrote: > I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to > have root and (a) user. > > Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. > Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or > 'su -c + command'? > > TIA! Ginger, or Mary Ann? Vim, or Emacs? Sudo, or su -c? Best of luck getting a concensus :-) :-) :-) I use sudo all the time on Ubuntu, a lot of the time on Debian/Devuan, but only when I personally have granted sudo ability to a command on Void. Which I think pretty much conforms to those three distros' philosophies. SteveT Steve Litt May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] sudo or su?
The main difference is whether you want to keep being the original user or become root. Sudo keeps yourself when it can, su changes when it can. The difference affects e.g. $PATH, which sudo leaves alone and su resets to root's value. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] sudo or su?
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 11:22:35PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to > have root and (a) user. > > Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. > Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or > 'su -c + command'? You might also ask whether there is a difference between su and sudo sh. For both questions: There's the password you need to know to do it. There's the filtering through the file sudoers instead of by root password. And if sudoers isn't set up correctly you'll get nowhere with sudo and you may even have trouble setting it up. -- hendrik > > TIA! > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
