Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-28 Thread fuumind
This is a gem! I don't know how many times I have accidentally brushed at the 
touchpad while typing and moved the cursor to somewhere it shouldn't be or 
deleted text. Maybe one could write a daemon that disables the touchpad n 
seconds after the any-key has been pressed... :)

/fuumind

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:22:28 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:25:19 +0200
> aitor_czr  wrote:
> 
> > On 04/27/2016 11:21 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
> > > If so, try doing:
> > > synclient TouchpadOff=1
> > >
> > > for enabling the touchpad, and:
> > >
> > > synclient TouchpadOff=0
> > >
> > > for disabling it.  
> > 
> > Sorry, it's in the other way around:
> > 
> > synclient TouchpadOff=0
> > 
> > enables the touchpad :)
> 
> And for even more fun, here's the "touchtoggle" shellscript I put on
> every laptop, linked to hotkey Ctrl+Shift+j:
> 
> =
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> curstate=`synclient | grep -i TouchpadOff | sed -e"s/.*= //"`
> if test "$curstate" = "1"; then
>   synclient TouchpadOff=0
> else
>   synclient TouchpadOff=1
> fi
> =
> 
> 
> SteveT
> 
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Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc

2016-04-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn  writes:
> Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit :
>> I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2.
>
> A few tricks:
>
> It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys
> when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be
> necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with
> network.
>
> Happy that it worked :-)

debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the
chrooted environment.
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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:32:06 +0200
Didier Kryn  wrote:


>  But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem;
> here is the first thing I do to a new usb stick:
> 
>  /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name
> 
>  Very usefull when exchanging sticks.
> 
>Didier

Very, very nice!

I've been looking for something like that for a long time.

Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label
on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:50:29 +0200
fuumind  wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:22:28 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:25:19 +0200
> > aitor_czr  wrote:
> >   
> > > On 04/27/2016 11:21 AM, aitor_czr wrote:  
> > > > If so, try doing:
> > > > synclient TouchpadOff=1
> > > >
> > > > for enabling the touchpad, and:
> > > >
> > > > synclient TouchpadOff=0
> > > >
> > > > for disabling it.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, it's in the other way around:
> > > 
> > > synclient TouchpadOff=0
> > > 
> > > enables the touchpad :)  
> > 
> > And for even more fun, here's the "touchtoggle" shellscript I put on
> > every laptop, linked to hotkey Ctrl+Shift+j:
> > 
> > =
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > curstate=`synclient | grep -i TouchpadOff | sed -e"s/.*= //"`
> > if test "$curstate" = "1"; then
> > synclient TouchpadOff=0
> > else
> > synclient TouchpadOff=1
> > fi
> > =
> > 

> This is a gem! I don't know how many times I have accidentally
> brushed at the touchpad while typing and moved the cursor to
> somewhere it shouldn't be or deleted text. Maybe one could write a
> daemon that disables the touchpad n seconds after the any-key has
> been pressed... :)
> 
> /fuumind

There *is* such a daemon. I tried it for a little while and didn't like
it. That's why I don't remember the daemon's name.

It sounds like a great idea: Totally automatic. But I found that those
few times when I *really* wanted the mouse, I didn't want to wait n
seconds to access the mouse, instead opting for the instantaneous
Ctrl+Shift+j, which *for me, and YMMV* is a very easy and fast key
combo.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message -
> From: "Steve Litt" 

> Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label
> on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition?
> 
e2label /dev/sdXY my_label
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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Go Linux
On Thu, 4/28/16, Rob Owens  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 9:44 AM
 
- Original Message -
> From: "Steve Litt" 

> Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label
> on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition?
>
e2label /dev/sdXY my_label



Steve, I know it's a tool you probably wouldn't use but labels can also be 
created with gparted.

golinux


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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Matthew Melton
A brief aside.
Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I can't 
remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock and  if I remember 
and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to show. A click would mount the 
drive and another click would unmount it. I used it for ages , after abandoning 
gnome, as an alternative to  automounting. I believe it works with other window 
managers too, Judging from the man page here 
https://manned.org/bbsmount/d797faf8 

I believe it was a blackbox add-on http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ but the 
add on page is currently showing a 503 service unavailable so can't check.
The code, if it can be obtained, might prove useful as an alternative or 
optional addition to a slimline CLI automounter. The idea of which I like the 
sound of a lot.

Matt 

If anyone needs me I'll be lurking under my rock...  


> -Original Message-
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Noel Torres
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:50 AM
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
> 
> Didier Kryn  escribió:
> >> This isn't just a theoretical thing, lots of people don't label their
> >> thumb drives.
> >>
> >> Another issue is a lot of thumb drives have the same label. I bet
> >> there are millions with the label "backup".
> >>
> >>
> > But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem; here
> > is the first thing I do to a new usb stick:
> >
> > /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name
> >
> > Very usefull when exchanging sticks.
> >
> >   Didier
> 
> All my sticks are labeled, and I labeled none of them.
> 
> They all just came factory formatted as fat and factory labeled with the
> producer's name. This is my EMTEC stick (at /media/EMTEC) , this my BASF
> stick (at /media/BASF)... useful enough, since I do not use to plug several
> sticks at the same time, and even less several of the same brand.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Noel
> er Envite

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Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

2016-04-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> 
> Hughe Chung  escribió:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I got to use -a option to search words on C code files.
> >
> >
> >$ grep tesselate dome_math.c
> >Binary file dome_math.c matches
> 
> Is this only due to encoding, or may be due to a DOS/Unix difference?
> 
> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not
> correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so.

I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file 
because it *had* a valid BOM at the start.

It was a C compiler that refused such a C program.

Don't know what other programs might do.

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Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

2016-04-28 Thread Irrwahn
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>> Hughe Chung  escribió:
[...]
>>> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c
>>> Binary file dome_math.c matches
[...]
>> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not
>> correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so.
> 
> I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file 
> because it *had* a valid BOM at the start.
[...]

That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much 
sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with 
UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good 
idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray 
tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to 
tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is 
absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one 
may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. 

To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing 
tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, 
deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII 
files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. 

My 2¢.

Regards
Urban


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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread fsmithred
On 04/27/2016 08:28 PM, fsmithred wrote:
> 
> You could get the label from lsblk, do 'pmount label' and it will be
> mounted at /media/label. Every time you plug in a thumb drive labeled
> backup, it'll go to the same place. If you unmount the drive, /media/label
> will no longer exist, so you could even have the backup script check to
> make sure it's there.
> 
> -fsr
> 


Correction - Only root can get the label from lsblk. User can get the
label from '/sbin/blkid -s LABEL', but only after root has run blkid at
least once. Other than that, I've now got a script that will handle the
labels... sometimes.

-fsr


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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message -
> From: "Matthew Melton" 

> A brief aside.
> Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I can't
> remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock and  if I 
> remember
> and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to show. A click would mount 
> the
> drive and another click would unmount it. I used it for ages , after 
> abandoning
> gnome, as an alternative to  automounting. I believe it works with other 
> window
> managers too, Judging from the man page here
> https://manned.org/bbsmount/d797faf8
> 
> I believe it was a blackbox add-on http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ but the
> add on page is currently showing a 503 service unavailable so can't check.
> The code, if it can be obtained, might prove useful as an alternative or
> optional addition to a slimline CLI automounter. The idea of which I like the
> sound of a lot.

pcmanfm does this as well, though it relies on udisks2 and that now requires
systemd (on Debian, anyway).  I believe Thunar had very similar functionality.
spacefm, as some have mentioned here, also has this functionality but it allows
the use of different backends for performing the mounts.  As I recall, the 
choices were pmount, udevil, udisks, udisks2, and possibly others.

-Rob
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Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

2016-04-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> >> Hughe Chung  escribió:
> [...]
> >>> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c
> >>> Binary file dome_math.c matches
> [...]
> >> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not
> >> correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so.
> > 
> > I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file 
> > because it *had* a valid BOM at the start.
> [...]
> 
> That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much 
> sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with 
> UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good 
> idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray 
> tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to 
> tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is 
> absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one 
> may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. 
> 
> To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing 
> tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, 
> deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII 
> files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. 

Don't assume that ASCII is that fine.  The majority of the world uses 
languages that don't fit in ASCII.

Back in the 90's, when I was implementing C, the C standard specifed 
that a C program was mado of characters, and it did *not* specify that 
those were ASCII characters.  Now even with the various ISO nationaal 
variants on ASCII, many characters were represented using multiple 
bytes.  Strings in the source code were a sequence of characters, not 
bytes, and some of these characters could be of the two-byte 
persuasion, represented at run-time by a pair of bytes, of course.  
Some characters would be represented wiith one byte, ad some with two.

Now it just happened that one of the characters in Korean was 
represented with a two-byte pair, and one of these bytes was a zero 
byte.  Such a zero byte was *not* a terminating byte; instead it 
was part of a normal character in a normal string.  If you use the 
appropriate environ-sensitive string operations, it is not even 
be recognised as a string terminator.

Needless to say, I got involved in all this because I had to fix the 
bug in the C parser, which converted the string notation to 
a C string internally, and ended up chopping it off when 
this character showed up.  Which is what one of put Korean users was 
complaining about.

My point is that it would be good if there were some reliable way to 
distinguish the character set a file is written in.  I've standardised 
on UTF-8 myself.  Even UTF-8 i hated in Japan, because a 
lot of characters that used to take two bytes now take three, and 
Japanese uses a lot of these now space-wasting characters.

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Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc

2016-04-28 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 28/04/2016 15:34, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :

Didier Kryn  writes:

Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit :

I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2.

 A few tricks:

 It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys
when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be
necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with
network.

 Happy that it worked :-)

debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the
chrooted environment.


He's talking of installing grub2...

Didier

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Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

2016-04-28 Thread Irrwahn
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:29:41 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
 Hughe Chung  escribió:
>> [...]
> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c
> Binary file dome_math.c matches
>> [...]
 If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not
 correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so.
>>>
>>> I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file 
>>> because it *had* a valid BOM at the start.
>> [...]
>>
>> That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much 
>> sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with 
>> UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good 
>> idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray 
>> tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to 
>> tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is 
>> absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one 
>> may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. 
>>
>> To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing 
>> tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, 
>> deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII 
>> files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. 
> 
> Don't assume that ASCII is that fine.

I don't. I made a snide remark about bad software rendering 
intact 7-bit ASCII files backwards incompatible by gratuitously 
decorating them with a BOM. 

> The majority of the world uses 
> languages that don't fit in ASCII.

Obviously.

[Snipped explanation of various aspects of the imperfectness of 
character encodings.]

>  Even UTF-8 i hated in Japan, because a 
> lot of characters that used to take two bytes now take three, and 
> Japanese uses a lot of these now space-wasting characters.

You could find examples like that for any conceivable encoding, 
as not all characters in contemporary use can be represented 
even in two bytes. Hence (along with other advantages, e.g. no 
zero bytes in encoding) the high adoption rate of UTF-8. At the 
very least it avoids the UTF-32 bloat for the more commonly used 
character sets. (Yes, I know about UTF-16 shifting, but this is 
IMNSHO asking for the worst of both worlds.)

My 1.41¢ worth. And almost completely OT for DNG, so I'll stop 
here. Sorry for the noise.

Regards
Urban

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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 28/04/2016 16:07, Steve Litt a écrit :

Didier Kryn  wrote:



>  But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem;
>here is the first thing I do to a new usb stick:
>
>  /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name
>
>  Very usefull when exchanging sticks.
>
>Didier

Very, very nice!

I've been looking for something like that for a long time.

Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label
on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition?

apt-get install e2fsprogs

Didier

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Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc

2016-04-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn  writes:
> Le 28/04/2016 15:34, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
>> Didier Kryn  writes:
>>> Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit :
 I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2.
>>>  A few tricks:
>>>
>>>  It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys
>>> when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be
>>> necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with
>>> network.
>>>
>>>  Happy that it worked :-)
>> debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the
>> chrooted environment.
>>
> He's talking of installing grub2...

And I was replying to you, specifically, to the "Happy that it worked"
which ought to refer to the "That was the answer!" in the original
posting. But it wasn't "the answer" as manually running debootstrap in
two steps on the same system doesn't do anything the single-step
debootstrap wouldn't also do on its own and the library problem can't have
been created by debootstrap.

As far as I can tell (and I did a couple of test installs), the stock
debootstrap procedure works fine for creating a Devuan jessie on a Debian
wheezy host.
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[DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread p

Thanks for beta :)
p
 


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[DNG] qemu in devuan

2016-04-28 Thread Noel Torres

Hi all

It seems QEMU in Devuan is 2.1+dfsg-12+devuan-1 which has some  
problems like "vmport is not available".


In Debian jessie-backports it is 1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1 and in stretch it  
is 1:2.5+dfsg-5+b1


So, since I had backports enabled, I've needed to downgrade my QEMU  
when deVuanizing my physical server.


Are there plans for this? Can I help in some way?

Thanks

Noel
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Re: [DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso?

Best Regards

| ISMAEL |

- Original Message - 
  From: p 
  To: dng 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:53 PM
  Subject: [DNG] Beta


  Thanks for beta :)


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Re: [DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread Simon Walter


On 04/29/2016 04:53 AM, p wrote:


Thanks for beta :)




Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to beta.devuan.org. 
Good stuff.


On 04/29/2016 05:24 AM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso?



Me too. I need this for visualization. I hardly ever use a 64bit system 
when it is visualized.
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Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:04:42 + (UTC)
Go Linux  wrote:

> On Thu, 4/28/16, Rob Owens  wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
>  To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>  Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 9:44 AM
>  
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Steve Litt"   
> 
> > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the
> > label on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition?
> >  
> e2label /dev/sdXY my_label
> 
> 
> 
> Steve, I know it's a tool you probably wouldn't use but labels can
> also be created with gparted.
> 
> golinux

I view parted, gparted, fdisk, sfdisk, and all of those as straight
razors: One wrong move and I'm seriously wounded (or my partitions
are). I only use those to create new partitions, never to label
something. I'd rather go without a label than risk running those
partition making programs to create the label. But thanks to e2label and
dosfslabel, I don't have to. The best of both worlds!

SteveT

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[DNG] Blackbox: was: For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:21:19 +0100
"Matthew Melton"  wrote:

> A brief aside.
> Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I
> can't remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock
> and  if I remember and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to
> show. 

Does Blackbox allow you to designate a tiny strip of the screen to be
desktop-only so you can click on it? Also, does Blackbox enable you to
hotkey not only blackbox functions, but also random programs on your
hard disk? Third, does Blackbox offer some sort of list of all windows,
sorted by the workspace they're in, and the ability to click one program
to get to that workspace and have focus on that program?

The preceding paragraph ennumerates the three reasons I use Openbox,
and if Blackbox or Fluxbox also has those three assets, I'll explore
them.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: [DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread Herb Garcia
Well glad that release wasn't all noisy and stuff.

So is the Openstack instance there?

Thanks!

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[DNG] Well Done, Devuan!

2016-04-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All,

Well done to all involved in:
i) revamping Devuan's website making it pleasantly readable and
looking modern without the unnecessary bloat associated with modern
websites. WELL DONE to all involved.
ii) for publishing Devuan Beta Edition (although to me Devuan is more
like rock solid rather than beta)

Edward
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Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc

2016-04-28 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 28/04/2016 21:23, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :

as manually running debootstrap in
two steps on the same system doesn't do anything the single-step
debootstrap wouldn't also do


But it's not the same system. 'debootstrap --second-step' is run in 
the chroot. When 'debootstrap --second-step' starts, the chroot is a 
totally empty system, except for debootstrap itself (and possibly /proc 
and /sys). 'debotstrap --second-step' will install the new libc and all 
the base system from scratch, that's what it's made for.


Didier

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