Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan
This is a gem! I don't know how many times I have accidentally brushed at the touchpad while typing and moved the cursor to somewhere it shouldn't be or deleted text. Maybe one could write a daemon that disables the touchpad n seconds after the any-key has been pressed... :) /fuumind On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:22:28 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:25:19 +0200 > aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 04/27/2016 11:21 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > If so, try doing: > > > synclient TouchpadOff=1 > > > > > > for enabling the touchpad, and: > > > > > > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > > > > > > for disabling it. > > > > Sorry, it's in the other way around: > > > > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > > > > enables the touchpad :) > > And for even more fun, here's the "touchtoggle" shellscript I put on > every laptop, linked to hotkey Ctrl+Shift+j: > > = > #!/bin/sh > > curstate=`synclient | grep -i TouchpadOff | sed -e"s/.*= //"` > if test "$curstate" = "1"; then > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > else > synclient TouchpadOff=1 > fi > = > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century > http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit : >> I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2. > > A few tricks: > > It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys > when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be > necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with > network. > > Happy that it worked :-) debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the chrooted environment. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:32:06 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem; > here is the first thing I do to a new usb stick: > > /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name > > Very usefull when exchanging sticks. > >Didier Very, very nice! I've been looking for something like that for a long time. Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:50:29 +0200 fuumind wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:22:28 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:25:19 +0200 > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > On 04/27/2016 11:21 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > If so, try doing: > > > > synclient TouchpadOff=1 > > > > > > > > for enabling the touchpad, and: > > > > > > > > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > > > > > > > > for disabling it. > > > > > > Sorry, it's in the other way around: > > > > > > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > > > > > > enables the touchpad :) > > > > And for even more fun, here's the "touchtoggle" shellscript I put on > > every laptop, linked to hotkey Ctrl+Shift+j: > > > > = > > #!/bin/sh > > > > curstate=`synclient | grep -i TouchpadOff | sed -e"s/.*= //"` > > if test "$curstate" = "1"; then > > synclient TouchpadOff=0 > > else > > synclient TouchpadOff=1 > > fi > > = > > > This is a gem! I don't know how many times I have accidentally > brushed at the touchpad while typing and moved the cursor to > somewhere it shouldn't be or deleted text. Maybe one could write a > daemon that disables the touchpad n seconds after the any-key has > been pressed... :) > > /fuumind There *is* such a daemon. I tried it for a little while and didn't like it. That's why I don't remember the daemon's name. It sounds like a great idea: Totally automatic. But I found that those few times when I *really* wanted the mouse, I didn't want to wait n seconds to access the mouse, instead opting for the instantaneous Ctrl+Shift+j, which *for me, and YMMV* is a very easy and fast key combo. SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label > on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? > e2label /dev/sdXY my_label ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
On Thu, 4/28/16, Rob Owens wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 9:44 AM - Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label > on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? > e2label /dev/sdXY my_label Steve, I know it's a tool you probably wouldn't use but labels can also be created with gparted. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
A brief aside. Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I can't remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock and if I remember and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to show. A click would mount the drive and another click would unmount it. I used it for ages , after abandoning gnome, as an alternative to automounting. I believe it works with other window managers too, Judging from the man page here https://manned.org/bbsmount/d797faf8 I believe it was a blackbox add-on http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ but the add on page is currently showing a 503 service unavailable so can't check. The code, if it can be obtained, might prove useful as an alternative or optional addition to a slimline CLI automounter. The idea of which I like the sound of a lot. Matt If anyone needs me I'll be lurking under my rock... > -Original Message- > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Noel Torres > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:50 AM > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers > > Didier Kryn escribió: > >> This isn't just a theoretical thing, lots of people don't label their > >> thumb drives. > >> > >> Another issue is a lot of thumb drives have the same label. I bet > >> there are millions with the label "backup". > >> > >> > > But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem; here > > is the first thing I do to a new usb stick: > > > > /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name > > > > Very usefull when exchanging sticks. > > > > Didier > > All my sticks are labeled, and I labeled none of them. > > They all just came factory formatted as fat and factory labeled with the > producer's name. This is my EMTEC stick (at /media/EMTEC) , this my BASF > stick (at /media/BASF)... useful enough, since I do not use to plug several > sticks at the same time, and even less several of the same brand. > > Regards > > Noel > er Envite ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > > Hughe Chung escribió: > > >Hi, > > > >I got to use -a option to search words on C code files. > > > > > >$ grep tesselate dome_math.c > >Binary file dome_math.c matches > > Is this only due to encoding, or may be due to a DOS/Unix difference? > > If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not > correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so. I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file because it *had* a valid BOM at the start. It was a C compiler that refused such a C program. Don't know what other programs might do. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: >> Hughe Chung escribió: [...] >>> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c >>> Binary file dome_math.c matches [...] >> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not >> correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so. > > I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file > because it *had* a valid BOM at the start. [...] That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. My 2¢. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
On 04/27/2016 08:28 PM, fsmithred wrote: > > You could get the label from lsblk, do 'pmount label' and it will be > mounted at /media/label. Every time you plug in a thumb drive labeled > backup, it'll go to the same place. If you unmount the drive, /media/label > will no longer exist, so you could even have the backup script check to > make sure it's there. > > -fsr > Correction - Only root can get the label from lsblk. User can get the label from '/sbin/blkid -s LABEL', but only after root has run blkid at least once. Other than that, I've now got a script that will handle the labels... sometimes. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
- Original Message - > From: "Matthew Melton" > A brief aside. > Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I can't > remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock and if I > remember > and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to show. A click would mount > the > drive and another click would unmount it. I used it for ages , after > abandoning > gnome, as an alternative to automounting. I believe it works with other > window > managers too, Judging from the man page here > https://manned.org/bbsmount/d797faf8 > > I believe it was a blackbox add-on http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ but the > add on page is currently showing a 503 service unavailable so can't check. > The code, if it can be obtained, might prove useful as an alternative or > optional addition to a slimline CLI automounter. The idea of which I like the > sound of a lot. pcmanfm does this as well, though it relies on udisks2 and that now requires systemd (on Debian, anyway). I believe Thunar had very similar functionality. spacefm, as some have mentioned here, also has this functionality but it allows the use of different backends for performing the mounts. As I recall, the choices were pmount, udevil, udisks, udisks2, and possibly others. -Rob ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > >> Hughe Chung escribió: > [...] > >>> $ grep tesselate dome_math.c > >>> Binary file dome_math.c matches > [...] > >> If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not > >> correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so. > > > > I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file > > because it *had* a valid BOM at the start. > [...] > > That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much > sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with > UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good > idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray > tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to > tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is > absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one > may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. > > To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing > tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, > deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII > files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. Don't assume that ASCII is that fine. The majority of the world uses languages that don't fit in ASCII. Back in the 90's, when I was implementing C, the C standard specifed that a C program was mado of characters, and it did *not* specify that those were ASCII characters. Now even with the various ISO nationaal variants on ASCII, many characters were represented using multiple bytes. Strings in the source code were a sequence of characters, not bytes, and some of these characters could be of the two-byte persuasion, represented at run-time by a pair of bytes, of course. Some characters would be represented wiith one byte, ad some with two. Now it just happened that one of the characters in Korean was represented with a two-byte pair, and one of these bytes was a zero byte. Such a zero byte was *not* a terminating byte; instead it was part of a normal character in a normal string. If you use the appropriate environ-sensitive string operations, it is not even be recognised as a string terminator. Needless to say, I got involved in all this because I had to fix the bug in the C parser, which converted the string notation to a C string internally, and ended up chopping it off when this character showed up. Which is what one of put Korean users was complaining about. My point is that it would be good if there were some reliable way to distinguish the character set a file is written in. I've standardised on UTF-8 myself. Even UTF-8 i hated in Japan, because a lot of characters that used to take two bytes now take three, and Japanese uses a lot of these now space-wasting characters. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc
Le 28/04/2016 15:34, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit : I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2. A few tricks: It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with network. Happy that it worked :-) debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the chrooted environment. He's talking of installing grub2... Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:29:41 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:49:58PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:16:53 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:53:35AM +, Noel Torres wrote: Hughe Chung escribió: >> [...] > $ grep tesselate dome_math.c > Binary file dome_math.c matches >> [...] If I were to bet, I would say that the file dome_math.c is not correctly formatted, or has an incorrect BOM at start, or so. >>> >>> I've occasionally had a program that accepted UTF-8 reject a file >>> because it *had* a valid BOM at the start. >> [...] >> >> That would be because the notion of a BOM makes not much >> sense at all for UTF-8. There is no byte order issue with >> UTF-8, yet some brilliant mind thought it would be a good >> idea to define and allow one (EF BB BF) anyway. And, pray >> tell, other brilliant minds decided to use it as a way to >> tell UTF-8 from traditional single byte encodings. This is >> absurd, as it is just as bad as any other heuristic one >> may come up with to deduce text file character encoding. >> >> To add insult to injury, some poorly written text editing >> tools insert a BOM without any need or even being asked to, >> deliberately breaking otherwise perfectly fine 7-bit ASCII >> files and rendering them incompatible to legacy software. > > Don't assume that ASCII is that fine. I don't. I made a snide remark about bad software rendering intact 7-bit ASCII files backwards incompatible by gratuitously decorating them with a BOM. > The majority of the world uses > languages that don't fit in ASCII. Obviously. [Snipped explanation of various aspects of the imperfectness of character encodings.] > Even UTF-8 i hated in Japan, because a > lot of characters that used to take two bytes now take three, and > Japanese uses a lot of these now space-wasting characters. You could find examples like that for any conceivable encoding, as not all characters in contemporary use can be represented even in two bytes. Hence (along with other advantages, e.g. no zero bytes in encoding) the high adoption rate of UTF-8. At the very least it avoids the UTF-32 bloat for the more commonly used character sets. (Yes, I know about UTF-16 shifting, but this is IMNSHO asking for the worst of both worlds.) My 1.41¢ worth. And almost completely OT for DNG, so I'll stop here. Sorry for the noise. Regards Urban ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
Le 28/04/2016 16:07, Steve Litt a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote: > But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a filesystem; >here is the first thing I do to a new usb stick: > > /sbin/dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 $my_name > > Very usefull when exchanging sticks. > >Didier Very, very nice! I've been looking for something like that for a long time. Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? apt-get install e2fsprogs Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 28/04/2016 15:34, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >>> Le 27/04/2016 23:29, Haines Brown a écrit : I found I had to bind mount /sys before I could install grub2. >>> A few tricks: >>> >>> It is most of the times necessary to bind-mount /proc and /sys >>> when working in a chroot. Depending what you do, /dev may also be >>> necessary. Also copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf when working with >>> network. >>> >>> Happy that it worked :-) >> debootstrap still doesn't install the wheezy i686 libraries in the >> chrooted environment. >> > He's talking of installing grub2... And I was replying to you, specifically, to the "Happy that it worked" which ought to refer to the "That was the answer!" in the original posting. But it wasn't "the answer" as manually running debootstrap in two steps on the same system doesn't do anything the single-step debootstrap wouldn't also do on its own and the library problem can't have been created by debootstrap. As far as I can tell (and I did a couple of test installs), the stock debootstrap procedure works fine for creating a Devuan jessie on a Debian wheezy host. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Beta
Thanks for beta :) p ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] qemu in devuan
Hi all It seems QEMU in Devuan is 2.1+dfsg-12+devuan-1 which has some problems like "vmport is not available". In Debian jessie-backports it is 1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1 and in stretch it is 1:2.5+dfsg-5+b1 So, since I had backports enabled, I've needed to downgrade my QEMU when deVuanizing my physical server. Are there plans for this? Can I help in some way? Thanks Noel er Envite binxW6181QlK2.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgpUSaTPpWQcz.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beta
When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso? Best Regards | ISMAEL | - Original Message - From: p To: dng Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:53 PM Subject: [DNG] Beta Thanks for beta :) p -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beta
On 04/29/2016 04:53 AM, p wrote: Thanks for beta :) Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to beta.devuan.org. Good stuff. On 04/29/2016 05:24 AM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso? Me too. I need this for visualization. I hardly ever use a 64bit system when it is visualized. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:04:42 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 4/28/16, Rob Owens wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 9:44 AM > > - Original Message - > > From: "Steve Litt" > > > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the > > label on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? > > > e2label /dev/sdXY my_label > > > > Steve, I know it's a tool you probably wouldn't use but labels can > also be created with gparted. > > golinux I view parted, gparted, fdisk, sfdisk, and all of those as straight razors: One wrong move and I'm seriously wounded (or my partitions are). I only use those to create new partitions, never to label something. I'd rather go without a label than risk running those partition making programs to create the label. But thanks to e2label and dosfslabel, I don't have to. The best of both worlds! SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Blackbox: was: For all you automounter programmers
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:21:19 +0100 "Matthew Melton" wrote: > A brief aside. > Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I > can't remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock > and if I remember and showed icons for all the drives you wanted to > show. Does Blackbox allow you to designate a tiny strip of the screen to be desktop-only so you can click on it? Also, does Blackbox enable you to hotkey not only blackbox functions, but also random programs on your hard disk? Third, does Blackbox offer some sort of list of all windows, sorted by the workspace they're in, and the ability to click one program to get to that workspace and have focus on that program? The preceding paragraph ennumerates the three reasons I use Openbox, and if Blackbox or Fluxbox also has those three assets, I'll explore them. SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beta
Well glad that release wasn't all noisy and stuff. So is the Openstack instance there? Thanks! Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Well Done, Devuan!
Hi All, Well done to all involved in: i) revamping Devuan's website making it pleasantly readable and looking modern without the unnecessary bloat associated with modern websites. WELL DONE to all involved. ii) for publishing Devuan Beta Edition (although to me Devuan is more like rock solid rather than beta) Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] chroot sees wrong version of libc
Le 28/04/2016 21:23, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : as manually running debootstrap in two steps on the same system doesn't do anything the single-step debootstrap wouldn't also do But it's not the same system. 'debootstrap --second-step' is run in the chroot. When 'debootstrap --second-step' starts, the chroot is a totally empty system, except for debootstrap itself (and possibly /proc and /sys). 'debotstrap --second-step' will install the new libc and all the base system from scratch, that's what it's made for. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng