Re: [DNG] systemd installed and running in default desktop
Boruch Baum wrote on 03/31/2016 02:52 PM: > Am I the only one who hasn't noticed this yet? What am I missing? > > ( posted in parallel at: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/sysvinit/issues/14 ) This is all that's ever been on my Devuan system. # dpkg -l | grep systemd ii libsystemd0:amd64 215-17+deb8u2 amd64systemd utility library ii systemd-shim 9-1 amd64shim for systemd libsystemd0 is there because of one or all of these packages: gnome-disk-utility gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse libsystemd0 packagekit packagekit-tools sane-utils > The same command on any Manjaro/OpenRC flavor I use yields no systemd > processes whatsoever. > > dpkg -l |grep systemd > systemd 215-17+deb8u3 > systemd-shim 9-1 > sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > sysviniit-utils 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 Are you sure that output is correct? grep is almost certainly broken if so.. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based, installation without network)
Hi Ismael, On 03/31/16 21:53, "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: Where can I find a devuan 32 bit iso alpha2 or higher than the minimum system is installed without access to the network? if alpha4 better Someone could provide me a link to the download if you have it built? I want to keep trying at home where I do not have internet access. >From now thanks I will build minimum devuan systems for pc's and rpi's. I just build one for rpi2 containing the backend of simple-netaid (instead of wicd). Configuring /etc/network/interfaces, and running: $ /usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0 the network connection works. Now i'm looking forward the new features of simple-netaid: 1. The frontend in gtk2+ (a work in progress) 2. The frontend in gtkmm3 (a work in progress, but shortly available) 3. The backdoors (a work in progress) <\sarcasm> Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based installation without network)
- Original Message - From: "Go Linux" To: "Lista de Devuan" ; "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based installation without network) On Thu, 3/31/16, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: Subject: [DNG] Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based installation without network) To: "Lista de Devuan" Date: Thursday, March 31, 2016, 11:47 AM Where can I find a devuan 32 bit iso alpha2 or higher than the minimum system is installed without access to the network? if alpha4 better Someone could provide me a link to the download if you have it built? I want to keep trying at home where I do not have internet access. From now thanks | ISMAEL | golinux Thanks Reiterated I try refracta in the absence of a devuan iso. I can not do more because my knowledge of linux are very little, I can only constribuir recommending this project and reporting about it. | ISMAEL | ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A lot of packages missing from repository
On 03/26/2016 02:37 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > Rob wrote: > >> Looking at http://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ >> there is nothing there, though >> http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ is populated. > /merged/pool are unmodified Debian packages, > /devuan are Devuan's. > > There is insufficient signing (look up the thread > I started last week) in Ceres because Debian dropped > SHA1. > > Mitt Just wondering if there has been any movement in fixing the Ceres merged repository? http://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ Is there perhaps a workaround for this issue. I suppose I might be able to set up some kind of pinning to use Sid until the Merged repository is brought back online for Ceres. Chris ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd installed and running in default desktop
At this point, after some more testing and fiddling, my questions are: 1] why is systemd-shim necessary (see below, after original message)? 2] why is devuan installing xfce4-power-manager with its seemingly unnecessary recommendation of systemd? On 03/31/2016 03:52 PM, Boruch Baum wrote: > Am I the only one who hasn't noticed this yet? What am I missing? > > ( posted in parallel at: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/sysvinit/issues/14 ) > > I installed the default devuan desktop package today, using the devuan > installer, and on my first boot, instead of using the graphical > installer, I proceeded to C-M-F1 for a command-line login. Upon logging > in, I received a message: > > error message: systemd-logind[3096]: failed to start user service: > unknown unit: user@1000.service > > When I later escalated to su, I received a similar error message. > > ps -aux | grep systemd > shows a root process for /lib/systemd/systemd-logind > > The same command on any Manjaro/OpenRC flavor I use yields no systemd > processes whatsoever. > > dpkg -l |grep systemd > systemd 215-17+deb8u3 > systemd-shim 9-1 > sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > sysviniit-utils 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 > > Again, comparing with Manjaro/OpenRC, the only package with even a > passing reference to systemd is: > > pacman -Q | grep systemd > eudev-systemdcompat 228-1 > > sources.list > deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free > contrib > deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib > non-free > # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' > deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main > contrib non-free > deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main > contrib non-free > # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org > deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main > contrib non-free > deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports > main contrib non-free > Running: # aptitude why systemd (result: xfce4-power-manager recommends systemd) # apt-get remove xfce4-power-manager # apt-get autoremove (removes not just systemd, but also systemd-shim and its bunch of dependencies) # apt-get --no-install-recommends install xfce4-power-manager Upon laptop reboot, and gui login, the xfce4-power-manager functions to the extent that it: 1] responds to the pressing the power button with it dialog, and that dialog will successfully logout, suspend, shut sown, reboot. 1.1] However, hibernate did not seem to work. It flickered the screen, and did a complete shutdown. 2] The xfce4 panel has a power manager widget. All of its functions work. Hibernate is not offered there as an option. 3] 'xfce4-power-manager --customize' has options for responding to laptop lid closure, which are not working (tested for options 'lock-screen' and 'suspend'. Running 'acpi_listen' shows that the lid closure is being detected. Other acpi events are recognized and function as expected, ie screen brightness. Re-installing systemd-shim did not change any of this, so I'm curious why at this point its needed. I uninstalled it a second time. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A lot of packages missing from repository
Chris wrote: Just wondering if there has been any movement in fixing the Ceres merged repository? Look like nobody cares :( Is there perhaps a workaround for this issue. I could only suggest switching to Debian Sid repositories and angband.pl [1] (Thanks, Adam :) ) [1]: from my sources.list deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Configuring slim gui greeter
Just looking through the /etc/slim.conf file, and I see a few things other members of the list might be interested in, and the maintainers may want to consider. 1] default path - does not need to include 'games' folders 2] suspend command - need not be commented out, but the correct command in devuan seems to be /usr/sbin/pm-suspend -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it out of date. 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen 3] hard-coded debian url - this was hilarious to find. In the xscreensaver customization screen, the default option for "text manipulation" is a URL to an rss feed at planet debian. This default turned out to be hard-coded(!!) in THREE binaries that I found: /usr/bin/xscreensaver, /usr/bin/xscreensaver-demo, /usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage. 3.1] Once the file ~/.xscreensaver is created, one can edit the url there. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 12:58:23 -0400 Boruch Baum wrote: > 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop > begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. > The first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second > "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping > it out of date. This messages popped up here today for the first time, although I am not aware of any Xscreensaver updates lately. Apparently this is triggered by the date: Moving to the past disables the notification - but it's no on-time April's fool, as fast forwarding to the 2nd of April it keeps popping up. (You can avoid the second message by not clicking one of the buttons, but somewhere else.) Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and > its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of > the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. > > 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop > begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The > first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second > "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it > out of date. > > 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is > forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 including systemd. -- A tit a day keeps the vet away. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and >> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of >> the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. >> >> 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop >> begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The >> first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second >> "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it >> out of date. >> >> 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is >> forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 > > It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, > it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using > gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 > including systemd. > I'm not one to jump to that kind of conclusion before looking at some alternatives first. It's possible that the solution has already been provided by the author - I haven't checked the packages MAKEFILE for possible build-time config options, or other compile-time options. Lacking that, its also possible and may be appropriate to use debian's 'quilt' system to patch the upstream. It's also possible that just contacting the author and making a request will effect a change. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
SORRY ADAM! I didn't read your link till after I hit send! Everything is in your link. Thanks for providing it. On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and >> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of >> the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. >> >> 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop >> begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The >> first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second >> "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it >> out of date. >> >> 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is >> forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 > > It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, > it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using > gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 > including systemd. > -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
On 02/04/16 07:58, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and >>> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of >>> the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. >>> >>> 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop >>> begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The >>> first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second >>> "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it >>> out of date. >>> >>> 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is >>> forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen >> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 >> >> It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, >> it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using >> gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 >> including systemd. >> > > I'm not one to jump to that kind of conclusion before looking at some > alternatives first. It's possible that the solution has already been > provided by the author - I haven't checked the packages MAKEFILE for > possible build-time config options, or other compile-time options. > Lacking that, its also possible and may be appropriate to use debian's > 'quilt' system to patch the upstream. It's also possible that just > contacting the author and making a request will effect a change. > gnome-screensaver depends on libsystemd0 directly as well as on gnome-session-bin which also depends on libsystemd0 Are you volunteering to repackage them? With regards to packaging core gnome packages, I have a current issue with tracking all the from debian in our preferred git workflow because it uses subversion for just the /debian folder of each package. This means importing to git in a way that we are able to track both the upstream source and debians vcs is hard. I have almost sorted the plan for doing that so we can have a good process that will be easier to work with in the long term and we will retain at our fingertips the full development history from both upstream and debian. regards, Daniel -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
On 04/01/2016 03:18 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 02/04/16 07:58, Boruch Baum wrote: >> On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it out of date. 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen >>> >>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 >>> >>> It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, >>> it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using >>> gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 >>> including systemd. >>> >> >> I'm not one to jump to that kind of conclusion before looking at some >> alternatives first. It's possible that the solution has already been >> provided by the author - I haven't checked the packages MAKEFILE for >> possible build-time config options, or other compile-time options. >> Lacking that, its also possible and may be appropriate to use debian's >> 'quilt' system to patch the upstream. It's also possible that just >> contacting the author and making a request will effect a change. >> > gnome-screensaver depends on libsystemd0 directly as well as on > gnome-session-bin which also depends on libsystemd0 > > Are you volunteering to repackage them? > > With regards to packaging core gnome packages, I have a current issue > with tracking all the from debian in our preferred git workflow because > it uses subversion for just the /debian folder of each package. > > This means importing to git in a way that we are able to track both the > upstream source and debians vcs is hard. I have almost sorted the plan > for doing that so we can have a good process that will be easier to work > with in the long term and we will retain at our fingertips the full > development history from both upstream and debian. > > > regards, > Daniel > The link Adam provided to the debian bug report discussion indicates debian is moving to deal with the nag screen issue. As for the hard-coded debian URL, I have another idea that's a kludge, but it'll probably work, and its real simple: place a default version of '.xscreensaver' in /etc/skel. Let me stress though that I haven't looked at the package's MAKEFILE, or the current debian 'quilt' entries, and my sense is that one of those is the culprit. -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:53:08 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> But be careful with statically initialised strings,
> since they are effectively constant char pointers (they are stored in
> the current stack frame, not in the heap, and the address stored in
> such variables cannot be modified, AFAIR).
This isn't exactly responsive to what you said, KatolaZ, but the worst
(and one of the most costly) programming mistakes I ever made was this:
=
char * read_bbs(){
char rtrn[WAY_BIGGER_THAN_EVER_NEEDED];
strcpy(rtrn, grab_bbs_part1());
strcat(rtrn, grab_bbs_part2());
return(rtrn);
}
result_string = read_bbs();
do_other_stuff();
use_result_string(result_string);
=
Well, it worked 99.6% of the time, but once in a while the whole
program blew up. :-). I solved this intermittent on my third visit,
racked up probably 10 hours trying to fix it, and my problem probably
cost a couple hundred hours of keypuncher time before I fixed it.
WAY_BIGGER_THAN_EVER_NEEDED really was way bigger than ever needed. Bad
programming, but that wasn't the problem.
All I can say is I *never* made that mistake again.
SteveT
Steve Litt
March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
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Re: [DNG] *****SPAM***** Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based installation without network)
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 10:45:04 -0500 "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: > Spam detection software, running on the system "tupac2", I understand spam is a real hassle, but could everybody please whitelist dng so that your problem with spam doesn't become the whole list's problem. For gosh sakes, could you please create an email filter that sends all suspected spam to a spam folder, and not respond to anything in that folder? SteveT Steve Litt March 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)
> Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: >> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and >> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of >> the maintainers and the interest of members of the list. >> >> 1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop >> begin with not one but two separate nag messages from xscreensaver. The >> first "warns" the user that the version is out of date. The second >> "warns" the user that the sysadmin is doing a dis-service by keeping it >> out of date. >> >> 2] forced config screen - after the two obnoxious nag messages, one is >> forced to be confronted with the xscreensaver customization screen > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 > > It's a time bomb by xscreensaver's upstream author. And like micq before, > it looks like xscreensaver needs to be replaced or forked. Obviously, using > gnome-screensaver is not an option as that pulls in a good part of Gnome3 > including systemd. I'd just like to mention that Xscreensaver is one of those obnoxious "convenience features" that I'm always trying to disable. So at least from my point of view, if it's not installed by default, I'm fine with that. But I realize that others may want it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
