Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change
On 2016-02-04 07:03, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >Do you agree to renaming netman? YES and netbarx is a sound name for such usefull peace of software. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:46:59 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206034659.ga23...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: > > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Didier Kryn wrote: > > >> > > >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore > > >> admins should be seriously protected and warned against this > > >> eventuality, at least until it percolates into the general > > >> culture. > > > > > > IIUC, this means malware will now be able to not only > > > erase, but to render its targets unbootable. > > > Also creating a new hardware recovery business. > > > It seems somewhat bleak. Am I overreacting? > > > > > > > > > > Go with the flow, dude. It's worth the risk of malware for the > > benefit of having your vendor push firmware updates whenever they > > want. (Did I get that right?) > > > > Actually, I think you're underreacting. I would edit your statement > > to say, "...render its targets unbootable or worse." Malware > > authors and others who might have bad intentions for your hardware > > generally want it to keep working. > > Perhaps not in warfare. ..against whom? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>: > On 02/05/2016 07:18 PM, Go Linux wrote: > > Every name I came up with was already in multiple use. I also > > thought of netbarx which is completely unique. Kinda like it > > actually. > > > > golinux > > IMO, netbarx is the best choice :) > > Aitor. ..it's immune to "netbarf"? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On 02/05/2016 09:38 PM, fsmithred wrote: > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: >> Didier Kryn wrote: >>> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore admins >>> should be seriously protected and warned against this eventuality, at least >>> until it percolates into the general culture. >> IIUC, this means malware will now be able to not only >> erase, but to render its targets unbootable. >> Also creating a new hardware recovery business. >> It seems somewhat bleak. Am I overreacting? >> >> > Go with the flow, dude. It's worth the risk of malware for the benefit of > having your vendor push firmware updates whenever they want. (Did I get > that right?) > > Actually, I think you're underreacting. I would edit your statement to > say, "...render its targets unbootable or worse." Malware authors and > others who might have bad intentions for your hardware generally want it > to keep working. > > Yes I understand the EFI is a dandy place to conceal stuff if you want it to survive to next boot and not be disadvantaged by _most_ hard drive cleaning games. Leaving it RW from the OS is just extra convenient for installation, how nice. Probably gets the NSA stamp of approval. Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Le 06/02/2016 13:32, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:46:59 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206034659.ga23...@topoi.pooq.com>: On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore admins should be seriously protected and warned against this eventuality, at least until it percolates into the general culture. IIUC, this means malware will now be able to not only erase, but to render its targets unbootable. Also creating a new hardware recovery business. It seems somewhat bleak. Am I overreacting? Go with the flow, dude. It's worth the risk of malware for the benefit of having your vendor push firmware updates whenever they want. (Did I get that right?) Actually, I think you're underreacting. I would edit your statement to say, "...render its targets unbootable or worse." Malware authors and others who might have bad intentions for your hardware generally want it to keep working. Perhaps not in warfare. ..against whom? Apple against Linux Systemd against Freedom of choice Crapware against good software Pick your preferred :D Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] transmission-daemon package
So I am trying to build transmission-daemon without systemd, was just testing this locally and run into an issue. It can be built without systemd but transmission-gtk will no longer start downloading torrents. I think it is down to this error which appears when running transmission-gtk in a terminal: ** (transmission-gtk:32682): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files Can anyone suggest a way to solve this, or provide a patch? If so I'll try to get it working for jessie and put it on the gitlab. Cheers, chillfan -- Take back your privacy. Switch to www.StartMail.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Steve Litt writes: > On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:33:44 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > >> People have always expected rm -rf / to destroy the OS. They >> also know that, from the keyboard, with root priviledge, they can >> destroy the partition table of the disk. All this is repairable by >> the admin her/himself. >> >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. > > Not only brand new, but an entirely new level of consequence. > > With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 is > correctable with a few hours of work, on the premises, with only > resources on the premises. A somewhat seriously wrong conception about the relation between / (the root of the filesystem name tree) and /dev/sda1 (some partition of a mass storage device) seems to exist here. The reality is "there is none" unless the system happens to be configured such that /dev/sda1 is mounted as / and nothing else has been integrated into the filesystem namespace. But usually, this won't be the case and a number of devices/ partitions and virtual filesystems providing various features will collectively provide 'named objects' which can be manipulated using the filesystem API. The current list can be displayed with cat /proc/mounts , | For historical reasons, the mount command also maintains a list of | mounted filesystems in the file /etc/mtab which it displays when | executed without arguments. But the current /etc/mtab doesn't | necessarily reflect reality, eg, because / is mounted r/o or because the | current / came into being via chroot. ` Each of the mounted filesystems provides a set of methods implementing the filesystem syscalls for this kind of filesystem and there are no restriction regarding what these method might do. Eg, one could create a filesystem where deleting a file named Richard causes an immediate ACPI poweroff. There's also a Filesystem In Userspace (FUSE) facility which enables arbitrary applications to implement filesystem syscalls. "Invoke unlink/ rmdir methods for all named objects currently visible in the filesystem namespace" is something very much different from "fill a disk partition with zeroes" and doing this without knowing what these unlink/ rmdir methods will end up doing is just recklessly trying one's luck. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Simon Hobson writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> But "the hardware" didn't "break". Certain vendor-supplied software >> reportedly ceases to function if certain EFI variables are deleted. > > That is the sort of linguistic gymnastics that vendors use to get out > of accepting responsibility for stuff. I think most people would > equate with "it used to work", "X happened", "it now doesn't work" as > being "X broke it". It no longer works, it's broken. Using linguistic > gymnastics to try and call it something else doesn't change the > fundamental fact that "it no longer works, therefore it's broken". That's (AFAIK) a factually accurate description and not 'linguistic gymnastics' and the final effect of this, namely, perfectly working hardware is rendered unusable because of unsafe software implementation practices, is IMHO rather more damning than "the hardware's broken" as physical things are affected by wear and tear while software isn't. It also avoids a Daily Mail style "Using Linux can brick your hardware!" statement. That's not really wrong but nevertheless rather removed from the actual situation. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Le 06/02/2016 17:19, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Steve Litt writes: >On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:33:44 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > >> People have always expected rm -rf / to destroy the OS. They >>also know that, from the keyboard, with root priviledge, they can >>destroy the partition table of the disk. All this is repairable by >>the admin her/himself. >> >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. > >Not only brand new, but an entirely new level of consequence. > >With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 is >correctable with a few hours of work, on the premises, with only >resources on the premises. A somewhat seriously wrong conception about the relation between / (the root of the filesystem name tree) and /dev/sda1 (some partition of a mass storage device) seems to exist here. Sure Rainer, admins with a little of experience know that. This was just a partial enumeration of simple actions able to destroy an installed OS. You are right to insist on the BIG difference between these two actions and the fact that rm -rf is much more destructive than reformatting /. However, the main danger of rm -rf, up to now, was typically its potential to wipe out /home. None of the pseudofilesystem represented a danger. Experienced people running this command would just unmount any filesystem they would like to preserve and would never have thought of this new, well hidden, danger. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:19:07 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: [clip] > > With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero > > of=/dev/sda1 is correctable with a few hours of work, on the > > premises, with only resources on the premises. > > A somewhat seriously wrong conception about the relation between / > (the root of the filesystem name tree) and /dev/sda1 (some partition > of a mass storage device) seems to exist here. The reality is "there > is none" unless the system happens to be configured such > that /dev/sda1 is mounted as / Come on, Rainer, it's obvious your last sentence is assumed in my statement. What, did I have to completely specify it just to make the obvious point that wiping the root dir's device is correctable from a good backup? SteveT Steve Litt February 2016 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change
Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, grr! Wuff, wu. However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself like a lord. Sorry for acting like this, but working for the cause of open source software is essentially helping those who cannot afford expensive software and expensive hardware. Yes, I know what I am saying dissonates a lot with what the modern capitalistist world professes, but I believe firmly in world of cooperation instead of savage competion. The lesser gifted are no subhuman beings. They deserve a world that helps them instead of one that punishes them for not being gifted. What I did, is to help, and I am satisfied of being trolled for it and sometimes abused. Thanks for your understanding. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, grr! Wuff, wu. However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself like a lord. Sorry for acting like this, but working for the cause of open source software is essentially helping those who cannot afford expensive software and expensive hardware. Yes, I know what I am saying dissonates a lot with what the modern capitalist world professes, but I believe firmly in a world of cooperation instead of savage competion. The lesser gifted are no subhuman beings. They deserve a world that helps them instead of one that punishes them for not being gifted. What I did, is to help, and I am satisfied of being trolled for it and sometimes abused. Thanks for your understanding. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Steve Litt writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Steve Litt writes: > [clip] >> > With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero >> > of=/dev/sda1 is correctable with a few hours of work, on the >> > premises, with only resources on the premises. >> >> A somewhat seriously wrong conception about the relation between / >> (the root of the filesystem name tree) and /dev/sda1 (some partition >> of a mass storage device) seems to exist here. The reality is "there >> is none" unless the system happens to be configured such >> that /dev/sda1 is mounted as / > > Come on, Rainer, it's obvious your last sentence is assumed in my > statement. My sentence continued with , | and nothing else has been integrated into the filesystem | namespace. ` which obviously wasn't the situation you were writing about as 'deleteing EFI variables' at least requires the efivarfs filesystem to be mounted. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 2/6/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name. To: "dng" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 11:30 AM Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, grr! Wuff, wu. However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself like a lord. Sorry for acting like this, but working for the cause of open source software is essentially helping those who cannot afford expensive software and expensive hardware. Yes, I know what I am saying dissonates a lot with what the modern capitalist world professes, but I believe firmly in a world of cooperation instead of savage competion. The lesser gifted are no subhuman beings. They deserve a world that helps them instead of one that punishes them for not being gifted. What I did, is to help, and I am satisfied of being trolled for it and sometimes abused. Thanks for your understanding. Edward Good grief. You are NOT barx. So how can using that combination of letters be naming something after 'yourself'. In fact you are not even Edward Bartolo. You are a collection of physical and mental phenomena. The act of naming is merely a convenient convention but in reality has no substance. Such strong identification with the 'self' is a deep, dark pit . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: > [snip] > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project > after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself I would nominate netservant as the name, but alas, it has already been taken. It seems to me that focusing on 'net' is a red herring. The name doesn't really have to map to the function. The name should be memorable once it is discovered, which includes punning. That encourages word-of-mouth propagation. I suggest people look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers for some ideas. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only change the name of the project. Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: >> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: >> > [snip] >> However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project >> after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself > > I would nominate netservant as the name, but alas, it has already been > taken. > > It seems to me that focusing on 'net' is a red herring. The name doesn't > really > have to map to the function. The name should be memorable once it is > discovered, which includes punning. That encourages word-of-mouth > propagation. > > I suggest people look at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers > for some ideas. > > Peter Olson > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Edward On 06/02/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: >>> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> >> [snip] >>> However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project >>> after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself >> >> I would nominate netservant as the name, but alas, it has already been >> taken. >> >> It seems to me that focusing on 'net' is a red herring. The name doesn't >> really >> have to map to the function. The name should be memorable once it is >> discovered, which includes punning. That encourages word-of-mouth >> propagation. >> >> I suggest people look at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers >> for some ideas. >> >> Peter Olson >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change
Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Edward On 06/02/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users > and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, > grr! Wuff, wu. > > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project > after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself > like a lord. Sorry for acting like this, but working for the cause of > open source software is essentially helping those who cannot afford > expensive software and expensive hardware. Yes, I know what I am > saying dissonates a lot with what the modern capitalistist world > professes, but I believe firmly in world of cooperation instead of > savage competion. The lesser gifted are no subhuman beings. They > deserve a world that helps them instead of one that punishes them for > not being gifted. > > What I did, is to help, and I am satisfied of being trolled for it and > sometimes abused. > > Thanks for your understanding. > > Edward > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 12:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:19:07 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > Steve Litt writes: > [clip] > Come on, Rainer, it's obvious your last sentence is assumed in my > statement. What, did I have to completely specify it just to make the > obvious point that wiping the root dir's device is correctable from a > good backup? Hello, can you please stop this very OT thread. This list is about development of Devuan, nothing else. If you want to discuss these matters please join #debianfork channel, where this kind of discussions belong. And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) volunteered to maintain?? Seems like Daniel Reurich is the (almost) only person working on the development of upcoming the Devuan beta. No offense Steve I just happened to jump in here. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo > > > wrote: Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. And calm down! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 2/6/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name. To: "dng" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 12:06 PM Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Edward On 06/02/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: >>> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> >> [snip] >>> However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project >>> after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself >> >> I would nominate netservant as the name, but alas, it has already been >> taken. >> >> It seems to me that focusing on 'net' is a red herring. The name doesn't >> really >> have to map to the function. The name should be memorable once it is >> discovered, which includes punning. That encourages word-of-mouth >> propagation. >> >> I suggest people look at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers >> for some ideas. >> >> Peter Olson >> > Predictably, wrong thinking and self-identification leads to anger. Yawn. Human history in a nutshell. All the technology of our 'evolved' species doesn't change that fact that we are still looking through the wrong end of the periscope . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 06:21:23PM +, Go Linux wrote: [cut] > > > > > Predictably, wrong thinking and self-identification leads to anger. Yawn. > Human history in a nutshell. All the technology of our 'evolved' species > doesn't change that fact that we are still looking through the wrong end of > the periscope . . . > +1 HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:03:12PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > If you had read his email, instead of just throwing insults to him, you would have realised that Peter was not throwing any pun at you. Since the choice of this bloody name is just yours, I don't get why you are making all this fuss about asking people what they think, and letting they believe that you are really interested in their opinion. Go name whatever you want as you like, but please stop pretending that you care about what others have to say, because it is obvious that you don't give a shit. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 34
On 06/02/2016 18:27, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Amen, Edward. Let's start by filtering those rants. You asked a question and people, some of whom have given you a lot of useful advice over recent months, were good enough to answer you. You disagree with some of the answers. That's life. Please leave it there, or go kick your tin can somewhere else. It's tiresome. The signal to noise ratio on this list is getting out of hand. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 04:19:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Each of the mounted filesystems provides a set of methods implementing > the filesystem syscalls for this kind of filesystem and there are no > restriction regarding what these method might do. Eg, one could create a > filesystem where deleting a file named Richard causes an immediate > ACPI poweroff. There's also a Filesystem In Userspace (FUSE) facility > which enables arbitrary applications to implement filesystem syscalls. > > "Invoke unlink/ rmdir methods for all named objects currently visible in > the filesystem namespace" is something very much different from > "fill a disk partition with zeroes" and doing this without knowing what > these unlink/ rmdir methods will end up doing is just recklessly trying > one's luck. The situation is more explicit in the modern filenamespace-based OS's like Plan 9 and Inferno. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] writable efi
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 06:30:38PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users > and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, > grr! Wuff, wu. > > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project > after myself. What I like about the name netbarx is that it is unique. I think you'd have a hard time finding another project called barx. I'm really tired, when soneone talks about a project called, say, squid, and wondering what it is, trying to find it in google and finding nothing but articles on cephalopoda. A good name should be pronouncble and unique. netman is pronouncable bbut not unique. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] writable efi To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? -- hendrik /sys/firmware/ and everything in it is mounted rw on my Gigabyte legacy board with Devuan installed. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM > > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > > Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. > > > Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. > Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? > > -- hendrik > > > > > /sys/firmware/ and everything in it is mounted rw on my Gigabyte legacy board > with Devuan installed. That's true on my non=efi system, too, but it has no /sys/firmware/efi. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
[...] > And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) > volunteered to maintain?? As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for that I saw on this list, including my own, has ever received an answer. So, whom are you assaulting for what? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
Rainer Weikusat writes: > [...] > >> And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) >> volunteered to maintain?? > > As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this > respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for that I saw on > this list, including my own, has ever received an answer. > > So, whom are you assaulting for what? And while we're at that, can you please produce some reference which backs up your claim that technical discussions about features of Linux-based systems must not happen on this list? The ones I found were , | If you want to participate in community debates, join the online web | forum or the old-school DNG discussion mailinglist also available via | Gmane. ` https://devuan.org/ , | On the 18 October 2014 the Veteran Unix Admins have released a | communication: Shall we fork Debian? | | DNG is the name of the first mailinglist after the debianfork | declaration. ` https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng and , | open discussion space | | [...] | | dng - Debian is not GNOME first discussion list ` https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/splash/index.en.html These are all rather generic. Also, , | Our mailing lists are interactive and all subscribers can write. We | debate new software releases, events, projects, roadmaps in a friendly | environment with good humour and cyberfreaks hanging around. ` ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 21:07 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > [...] > > > And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) > > volunteered to maintain?? > > As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this > respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for that I saw on > this list, including my own, has ever received an answer. > > So, whom are you assaulting for what? Iv'e never seen a statement like 'no help wanted', where did you see that? I'm not assaulting anybody at all. How many packages have you adopted so far? Really longing for the Devuan beta. Daniel go-go-go! (And when you (the project) have updated the instructions for how to adopt Debian packages, I'll be with you, for sure :) Only responsible for one package so far. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
Hi Edward, On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only >change the name of the project. > >Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > >On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > >On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo > > >wrote: Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. And calm down! Peter Olson is not offending you. I don't understand your anger. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 19:18:29 +0100, Svante wrote in message <1454782709.2888.49.ca...@gmail.com>: > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > > change the name of the project. > > > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > > On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo > > > > wrote: > > Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. And > calm down! ..also, I just wanted to point out how easily your netbarx name is abused, it only takes "getting one letter wrong", such cheap attacks will happen "just because", because they are so easy to do, and because the other side appears to need such political etc victories to compensate for the absence of their techological etc performance merit. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:36:26 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206203626.gf5...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM > > > > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > > > > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under > > > sysvinit? Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in > > > this long thread. > > > > > > Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. > > Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? > > > > -- hendrik > > > > > > > > > > /sys/firmware/ and everything in it is mounted rw on my Gigabyte > > legacy board with Devuan installed. > > That's true on my non=efi system, too, but it has > no /sys/firmware/efi. ..can an efi board set up with legacy boot and running e.g. sys-v, be tricked into bricking itself e.g. by reading an "ad" flash movie off a web site and writing it into a new bad /sys/firmware/efi and then "try" a kexec reboot? Etc? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b68f6e.4090...@gnuinos.org>: > Hi Edward, > > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > >> >change the name of the project. > >> > > >> >Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > >> > > >> >On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > >On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward > > > >Bartolo wrote: > > Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. > > And calm down! > > Peter Olson is not offending you. I don't understand your anger. > >Aitor. ..he may have taken offence from my comment on the name, which he may have interpreted as "netbark", I never meant to offend him or anyone else here. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 02:26:16AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > > >> >change the name of the project. > > >> > > > >> >Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > >> > > > > Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. > > > And calm down! > > > > Peter Olson is not offending you. I don't understand your anger. > > ..he may have taken offence from my comment on the name, > which he may have interpreted as "netbark", I never meant > to offend him or anyone else here. The offence is right, as instead of referring to useless creatures we should pay homage to the Master Species instead and name netman "netmeow". But really, it's getting ridiculous. -- A tit a day keeps the vet away. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] transmission-daemon package
On 2016-02-06 17:18, dev1fanboy wrote: So I am trying to build transmission-daemon without systemd, was just testing this locally and run into an issue. It can be built without systemd but transmission-gtk will no longer start downloading torrents. I think it is down to this error which appears when running transmission-gtk in a terminal: ** (transmission-gtk:32682): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files I am on Arch derivative and I can tell for certain that transmission-gtk works without systemd or libsystemd I am using the original package for transmission-gtk on Arch Linux However I have dbus compiled without systemd that is not default on Arch. I think you should rather look on dbus than transmission. Hope this helps even if we're not exactly on the same dist Best regards Scoob Can anyone suggest a way to solve this, or provide a patch? If so I'll try to get it working for jessie and put it on the gitlab. Cheers, chillfan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
