[DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
Hi, I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all the attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by GRUB installation at the end. So I used Debian installer (7.0 and 8.2) to create basic Debian system, and then upgraded to Devuan system one by one. The system setup was /dev/sda - bootable USB stick /dev/sdb - Hard disk [Partition disks] could not handle manual selection. When I chose manual, it complained "No root file system." Partition disks No root file system No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu. On 'Guided - use the largest continous free space', how dose it know the free space on the hard disk which is already partitioned? Guided partition kept the installationg going, but in the final stage of GRUB boot loader, it failed to detect the Devuan partition. Below is the error message. Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error. Another inconvenient issue which inherited from Debian installer is, the installer does not allow to change English keyboard layout from Qwerty to other one. In my case, I'm a full-time Colemak user. If I didn't have a qwerty keyboard, it would be difficult to use Devuan installer. Qwerty layout became defacto standard. But some keyboard makers offer Dvorak, Colemak layout for customers. This means they care about minorities. Debian has been ignorant or lazy about this issue. Debian supports non-Qwerty keyboard layouts though. # dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration # service keyboard-setup restart Regards, Hughe ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
Le 16/11/2015 12:55, janpeng...@riseup.net a écrit : Hi, I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all the attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by GRUB installation at the end. So I used Debian installer (7.0 and 8.2) to create basic Debian system, and then upgraded to Devuan system one by one. The system setup was /dev/sda - bootable USB stick /dev/sdb - Hard disk [Partition disks] could not handle manual selection. When I chose manual, it complained "No root file system." Partition disks No root file system No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu. On 'Guided - use the largest continous free space', how dose it know the free space on the hard disk which is already partitioned? Guided partition kept the installationg going, but in the final stage of GRUB boot loader, it failed to detect the Devuan partition. Below is the error message. Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error. Hi Hughe. Here is my own experience with installing Debian as from several releases back: I always partition by hand but, if I do it naively, partition 1, 5,6,... starting from the beginning of the disk, grub always fail to install with no understandable message. I proved to myself that the reason was the lack of room at the begining of the disk to install grub itself. What I do now is to reserve some free space at the beginning of the disk, like a few sectors - I don't care even sacrifying a cylinder if there are plenty. It may be possible to use parted for that, but it is a CLI, and I'm not very comfortable with it; I prefer cfdisk which is a CUI (curses user interface). There's a step in the installation process where the installer asks the user if xhe wants some additional packages. I ask for cfdisk. Later, when it comes to partitionning, I escape the installer by ctrl-alt-f1 and run cfdisk. To preserve a sensible ordering of partition numbers, and since cfdisk does not provide a simple way to reserve a free space, I proceed as follows: 1) create partition 1 at the end of the disk - size doesn't matter I'll destroy it soon 2) create partition 2 at the beginning, with the size I want to give to the free space 3) delete partition 1 and re-create it with the size I really need, at the beginning, that is on top of partition 2 4) delete partition 2 I have now three regions: a small free space, partition 1, and a big free space. Now I can populate the big free space and leave the small one unused for Grub to install. Then I return to the installer with ctrl-alt-f7; at the end, Grub is installed without problem. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
Hi, On 16/11/15 13:00, Hughe janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: Hi, I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all the attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by GRUB installation at the end. So I used Debian installer (7.0 and 8.2) to create basic Debian system, and then upgraded to Devuan system one by one. The system setup was /dev/sda - bootable USB stick /dev/sdb - Hard disk [Partition disks] could not handle manual selection. When I chose manual, it complained "No root file system." Partition disks No root file system No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu. I installed official images of Devuan several times doing a manual partition with no issues. How are you partitioning the hard disk? The most current partitioning is: root -> /ext4 home -> /homeext4 swap -> swap On 'Guided - use the largest continous free space', how dose it know the free space on the hard disk which is already partitioned? Devuan/Debian installer has many *.udeb mini-packages, each of one with its own mission. Those packages are exclusively for the installer, and not for the installed system in the target. I call them "mini-packages" because the quality control is less strict comparing to a *.deb package. The manager of the partitioning in Devuan-installer is partman. Guided partition kept the installationg going, but in the final stage of GRUB boot loader, it failed to detect the Devuan partition. Below is the error message. Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error. It's strange... Are you using a live system? If the filesystem.squashfs -mounted in the target- hasn't installed all the grub dependencies, then grub-install will fail obviously. Another inconvenient issue which inherited from Debian installer is, the installer does not allow to change English keyboard layout from Qwerty to other one. In my case, I'm a full-time Colemak user. If I didn't have a qwerty keyboard, it would be difficult to use Devuan installer. Qwerty layout became defacto standard. But some keyboard makers offer Dvorak, Colemak layout for customers. This means they care about minorities. Debian has been ignorant or lazy about this issue. Debian supports non-Qwerty keyboard layouts though. # dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration # service keyboard-setup restart Regards, Hughe ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
On 11/16/2015 06:55 AM, janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: > > On 'Guided - use the largest continous free space', how dose it know the > free space on the hard disk which is already partitioned? > In this case, "free space" refers to un-partitioned space. It does not refer to free filesystem space on a formatted partition. I never use Guided partitioning, but I would expect it to complain if there wasn't any free space. Someone mentioned leaving extra free space at the beginning of the drive. I ran into this when installing grub2 onto a live-usb. Somewhere, I read that it needs 2MB, so I always do that now. fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
On 16/11/15 13:00, Hughe janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all the > attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by GRUB > installation at the end. Hallo Hughe, I recently installed Devuan Jessie i386 from the alpha2 netboot-iso without issues, but I used an existing partition structure and had the installer only format, label and assign the mountpoints. Regarding your grub-install problem, I noticed that you have some kind of an uncommon setup, with the installer stick (which usually does not have a MBR) instead of a HDD at /dev/sda: > The system setup was > /dev/sda - bootable USB stick > /dev/sdb - Hard disk If you choose to install Grub to the MBR, I think in the very most cases it makes perfectly sense to use the MBR of the first HDD by default. > Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda > Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. In your case you'd have to enter the disk manually – the installer provides an option for that. Regards, Florian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:55:58PM +0900, janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all > the attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by > GRUB installation at the end. So I used Debian installer (7.0 and > 8.2) to create basic Debian system, and then upgraded to Devuan > system one by one. > > The system setup was > /dev/sda - bootable USB stick > /dev/sdb - Hard disk Here's my partition setup. I used the devuan alpha 2 installer onto an empty hard drive: root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik/write/nano# fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x512209a8 Device BootStartEndSectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 *2048 78125055 78123008 37.3G 83 Linux /dev/sda2 78127102 1953523711 1875396610 894.3G 5 Extended /dev/sda5 78127104 878899199762816 4.7G 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 87891968 898437111951744 953M 83 Linux /dev/sda7 89845760 917975031951744 953M 83 Linux /dev/sda8 91799552 937512951951744 953M 83 Linux /dev/sda9 93753344 957050871951744 953M 83 Linux /dev/sda10 95707136 1953523711 1857816576 885.9G 8e Linux LVM Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary. root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik/write/nano# The first partition is empty, set aside in case I ever need to dual-boot with another operating system that needs to be in the first partition. /dev/sda6 is /boot. All the other currently used Linux partitions are in /dev/sda10. 'dev/sda7, 8, and 9 are there in case I ever need /boot's for other Linux systems. I have found it less troublesome in the past to put /boot in a traditional partition instead of in an LVM. Notice the 2048 unused sectors at the start. That's presumably where grub can reside. I don't have an EFI partition. My system has a traditional BIOS. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package
If it is still not enough, devs may want to add Ceni [1] to the repos. Ceni uses curses and has wpa_supplicant as a back-end. Not sure about newer versions. Aptosid is dead (?) now. Reference: [1]: http://aptosid.com/debian/pool/main/c/ceni/ Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package
Here is a manual with some screenshots for those who aren't familiar with Ceni. Everything is really simple. http://manual.aptosid.com/en/inet-ceni-en.htm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
