[DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
Most packages disappeared from: deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main There is no live-build, no kernel, no grub... Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)
Edward Bartolo writes:
> Quote: < process (that's done via fork and not via execve) and it's not adopted
> by the grand parent but by init.>>
>
> So what is the difference between an "orphaned process", i.e. a
> process whose parent has exited after giving birth to a child process
> and one which replaces the original process effectively giving its
> parent a death sentence?
The difference is that the second case doesn't occur. You can think of
'a process' as sort-of a container the kernel uses for running a
program: In order to execute a specific program, it has to be put into a
process first and that's what the exec* calls do. They load a new
program/ executable file into an existing process so that it will be
executed instead of the program the process had been executing so far.
The complete list of modifications an existing process undergoes when
starting to run a new program is in execve(2) ('man 2 execve').
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Re: [DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 02:11:44PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > Most packages disappeared from: > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > > There is no live-build, no kernel, no grub... > > Aitor. I noticed this morning that monotone was missing, but I guess there's a more general problem. That said, aptitiude update and aptitude safe-upgrade seemed to work properly. I'm using deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib deb-src http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trollproof spec
On 09/03/2015 07:40 AM, Jaromil wrote:
dear Jonathan,
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
I have a spec for "trollproofs" which might help with moderation. Instead
of the moderator having a binary choice between "block" or "pass", he/she
can just choose a difficulty level for a particular topic which the
community adheres to in order to encourage good faith.
What you sketch exists already even before Bitcoin, is called Hashcash
and I have good reasons to think Satoshi Nakamoto knew it. We did run
that on dyne/freaknet server back than as an experiment, pity it didn't
took off instead of the lame and centralized DKIM thing nowadays
everyone uses.
However I doubt hashcash can be regarded as something to defend from
trolls. After all, trolling is a art...
This uses Hashcash at its core, sure. But where Hashcash tries to
be unobtrusive, trollproof is direct and ugly. The point isn't to expend
as little energy as possible to keep email operational-- rather it's to
generate as much POW as possible so that the trolls decide not to
climb up to your level. (Conversely, if you are a troll you can use it
to prove you're a pyschopath and not just someone wasting time
on a lunchbreak at the office.)
Here's a prototype to play with:
--- Begin TP Message ---
#!/bin/bash
# Here's a quick quine-like implementation of a trollproof message.
# Do a sha256sum of this message and you'll see five zeros at the
# beginning of the hash. Run this program on your computer yourself to
# get a sense of how long that takes.
#
# Unlike Hashcash, the idea is to use trollproofs within the social layer
# of the application. You can force your own provable waiting
# period before sending a testy email. Or you can prove to the rest of the
# list that you own a botnet. The sky's the limit.
#
# For the purposes of this list, I'd suggest using it to wrap your messages
# when systemd-related thread flames up. If none of the other apparently
# impassioned participants are willing to burn cpu cycles in solidarity with
# you then congratulations! You have proof of trolls.
#
# But beware-- if others are willing to play along it means you'll actually
# have to _read_ and _consider_ the responses from people who may think
# differently than you do. This will undoubtedly result in undefined
behavior.
#
# Best,
# Jonathan
#
echo "Building a TP Message... please be patient..."
FILE=$(<"$0"); DATE=`date`
HEAD=`printf "%s\n%s" "--- Begin TP Message ---" "$FILE"`
HEAD+=`printf "\n%s\n%s" "--- Begin TP Work ---" "$DATE"`
FOOT=`printf "%s\n%s" "--- End TP Work ---" "--- End TP Message ---"`
POW=0; HASH=""; I=0
while [ "$POW" -eq "0" ]; do
HASH=`printf "%s\n%s\n%s\n" "$HEAD" "$I" "$FOOT" | sha256sum`
if [ "${HASH:0:5}" = "0" ]; then
let POW=1
else
let I=I+1
fi
done
echo "$HEAD"; echo "$I"; echo "$FOOT"
--- Begin TP Work ---
Sun Sep 6 00:35:42 EDT 2015
475976
--- End TP Work ---
--- End TP Message ---
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[DNG] netman, ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
I've been testing netman and discussing it with edbarx on this thread at fdn - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=124343&sid=39afc987dc48172a6553bb0941d12461 netman connects but won't disconnect, and produces the following messages in the terminal: # click Disconnect first time: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. # click Disconnect second time: ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured If I try 'ifdown wlan0' in root terminal, I get the same messages. I have to bring the interface down with 'ifconfig wlan0 inet down'. And if I try running './backend 5' from /usr/bin/netman/ I get the same messages. Here's the output of 'ip a' under various circumstances (in order): Interface down: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Connect with netman: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.1.101/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever Disconnect with netman: wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.1.101/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever My workaround (and quote from post on fdn) ifup wants to see "allow" or "auto" associated with an interface. I tried adding "allow-hotplug wlan0" to /etc/network/interfaces, but that didn't help, so I removed it. Then I added it to the file in /etc/network/wifi and added "source wifi/*" to interfaces, and that seems to fix the problem. I can now connect and disconnect with the buttons in netman. And 'ifup/ifdown wlan0' works in root terminal now. /etc/network/interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback source wifi/*# I added this line /etc/network/wifi/my-essid auto lo iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug wlan0 # I added this line iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid my-essid wpa-psk "my-secret-password" Running devuan/angband/exegnu/jessie -fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman, ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
Hi fsmithred, I think, Disconnect was failing in your case with the default configuration of netman's /etc/network/wifi/* files, for the reason, that I assumed that ifdown would automatically find where the currently used interfaces file was located. Since ifup worked the way netman invoked it, I think, doing the same for ifdown should do the trick also for you without having to modify any 'interfaces' files on your system. It will help me improve the project if you find some time to test this while connected to wifi but using your previous versions of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/wifi/your-wifi-file. The command is simply as follows: # ifdown wlan0 -i /etc/network/wifi/your-wifi-file Edward On 06/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > I've been testing netman and discussing it with edbarx on this thread at fdn > - > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=124343&sid=39afc987dc48172a6553bb0941d12461 > > netman connects but won't disconnect, and produces the following messages > in the terminal: > > # click Disconnect first time: > Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. > > # click Disconnect second time: > ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured > > If I try 'ifdown wlan0' in root terminal, I get the same messages. I have > to bring the interface down with 'ifconfig wlan0 inet down'. > And if I try running './backend 5' from /usr/bin/netman/ I get the same > messages. > > > Here's the output of 'ip a' under various circumstances (in order): > > Interface down: > wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast > state DOWN group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > > Connect with netman: > wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast > state UP group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.1.101/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > > Disconnect with netman: > wlan0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast > state UP group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 00:1f:33:82:e4:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > inet 192.168.1.101/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0 >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever > > > > My workaround (and quote from post on fdn) > ifup wants to see "allow" or "auto" associated with an interface. I tried > adding "allow-hotplug wlan0" to /etc/network/interfaces, but that didn't > help, so I removed it. Then I added it to the file in /etc/network/wifi > and added "source wifi/*" to interfaces, and that seems to fix the > problem. I can now connect and disconnect with the buttons in netman. And > 'ifup/ifdown wlan0' works in root terminal now. > > /etc/network/interfaces > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > source wifi/*# I added this line > > > /etc/network/wifi/my-essid > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > allow-hotplug wlan0 # I added this line > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > wpa-ssid my-essid > wpa-psk "my-secret-password" > > > Running devuan/angband/exegnu/jessie > > -fsmithred > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
dear Aitor, On Sun, 06 Sep 2015, aitor_czr wrote: >Most packages disappeared from: >deb [1]http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main >deb-src [2]http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main >There is no live-build, no kernel, no grub... thanks for signaling that, nextime had a quick check and noticed this is due to Debian repositories going through some updates. He is following up monitoring the situation and triggering an update for Amprolla. we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be avoided. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:30:27PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our > server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be > avoided. Technically this is what happened: - we update amprolla at fixed interval ( 30 mins ), when it checks if something is changed on a configured debian mirror AND to the devuan package repository, suite by suite. If something is changed in a suite on one of the mirror monitored, it rebuild the /dists/ directory for this suite. - As the server running amprolla is hosted in OVH, France, we use the OVH hosted debian mirror has it's (of course) fast and with very low latence for us. - It seems that the OVH mirror is down, and amprolla doesn't manage this situation well, so, it take the unavailable files from the down mirror as a change where all packages aren't available anymore, and then it rebuild the merged repo with only the packages from other mirrors. Actually i've manually reconfigured amprolla to use another debian mirror and then start to rebuild the repo forcing the total rebuild, in few minutes all will work as usual and expected. In the long run, to avoid the repeating on the same issue, i will fix amprolla to fallback to a secondary mirror in case the first one fail, and then to abort operations if also the secondary is failing, maybe dropping a notice/warning email to let us know immediatly that something is going wrong. Thanks to report the issue. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Debian packages are missing from Devuan's merged repository
It appears that devuan is having trouble accessing at least some packages from debian repositories. Evidence: I can't install monotone, the distributed revision management tool I use. A few minutes before I noticed I was unable to install monotone, I had done aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade and it found the following list of packages to upgrade: : The following packages will be upgraded: : bind9-host dnsutils gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 google-chrome-stable host : iceweasel libbind9-90 libdns-export100 libdns100 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 : libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libirs-export91 libisc-export95 libisc95 : libisccc90 libisccfg-export90 libisccfg90 liblwres90 libnss3 libvlc5 : libvlccore8 vlc vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse : 26 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. When I told it to go ahead, it went through the usual set of upgrade progress messagess, ending with: : Setting up vlc-plugin-pulse (1:2.2.1-dmo1+cve1) ... : Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18) ... : : Current status: 0 updates [-26]. So it looks as if that, at least, worked properly. Are these all packages found in devuan's own repository? Are packages that would need to be upgraded from debian's repository simply ignored if devuan's 'merged' fails to find them, so they are neither upgraded nor mentioned? Or did the upgrade somehow make changes that interfere with aptitude's ability to find packages? I used dpkg and packages.debian.org for a workaround. Links from packages.debian.org will eventually lead to a downloadable .deb file. I ended up using dpkg to install both monotone and its dependency, libbotan. Dependency tracking by hand could get quite tedious if there are a lot of them. Not to mention that from now on, libbotan will be known as a package I asked for, and not as one installed as a dependency. -- hendrik On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 11:25:31AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 02:11:44PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > Most packages disappeared from: > > > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > > deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > > > > There is no live-build, no kernel, no grub... > > > > Aitor. > > I noticed this morning that monotone was missing, but I guess there's > a more general problem. > > That said, aptitiude update and aptitude safe-upgrade seemed to work properly. > > I'm using > > deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main > > deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib > deb-src http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib > > deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free > > # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' > deb http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib > non-free > > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] repository mirror
I left a message on talk.devuan a few days ago, but have heard nothing back (it was only a few days ago). Not sure if this is the right place to ask the question, but assume you can point me there if not. I currently maintain a cabinet at a local NOC in the US (Dallas). I have some space, some bandwidth, and possibly a spare server. Is there a way I can help your project? I'm thinking I could mirror your repository, but if there is a way that could help better, I'd be interested talking about it. We currently mirror one Open Source project (IPFire). I believe I could dedicate 5Mb/s to Open Source projects without impacting the companies services (IPFire does not require much). Thanks, Rod -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 214.827.2170 http://www.dailydata.net ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 09:04:45PM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: > On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:30:27PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our > > server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be > > avoided. > > > Technically this is what happened: > > - we update amprolla at fixed interval ( 30 mins ), when it checks if > something is changed on a configured debian mirror AND to the devuan > package repository, suite by suite. If something is changed in a suite > on one of the mirror monitored, it rebuild the /dists/ directory for > this suite. > > - As the server running amprolla is hosted in OVH, France, we use the > OVH hosted debian mirror has it's (of course) fast and with very low > latence for us. > > - It seems that the OVH mirror is down, and amprolla doesn't manage this > situation well, so, it take the unavailable files from the down mirror > as a change where all packages aren't available anymore, and then it > rebuild the merged repo with only the packages from other mirrors. > > Actually i've manually reconfigured amprolla to use another debian > mirror and then start to rebuild the repo forcing the total rebuild, in > few minutes all will work as usual and expected. It's a few hours later, and a lot of packages have appeared. But many of the packages I've installed are still missing. IN particular, monotone and botan (the ones I originally noticed) are still not there. (not that I havent already installed them by other means; I'm in no hurry) I suspect it may take longer than a few minutes. -- hendrik > > In the long run, to avoid the repeating on the same issue, i will fix > amprolla to fallback to a secondary mirror in case the first one fail, > and then to abort operations if also the secondary is failing, maybe > dropping a notice/warning email to let us know immediatly that something > is going wrong. > > Thanks to report the issue. > > > -- > > Franco (nextime) Lanza > Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy > SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it > web: http://www.nexlab.net > paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab > > NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org > you can download my public key at: > http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers > Key ID = D6132D50 > Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 > --- > echo > 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq > | dc > --- > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 12, Issue 20
It returned to normality. Thanks. On 06/09/15 20:30, Jaromil wrote: dear Aitor, On Sun, 06 Sep 2015, aitor_czr wrote: >Most packages disappeared from: >deb [1]http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main >deb-src [2]http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main >There is no live-build, no kernel, no grub... thanks for signaling that, nextime had a quick check and noticed this is due to Debian repositories going through some updates. He is following up monitoring the situation and triggering an update for Amprolla. we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be avoided. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
