Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under, Qemu?
Downloaded and testing it! Thanks, fsmith. On 28/08/15 04:28, fsmithred wrote: On 08/27/2015 08:47 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:23:43 -0400 >fsmithred wrote: > >>On 08/27/2015 09:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >>> >>>Where can I find and download the latest Devuan capable of being >>>run on Qemu (I assume this means an ISO, unless someone knows >>>another way to do it). >>> >> >>If you mean live-ISO, I made one today from an up-to-date alpha2-amd64 >>netinstall installation in virtualbox. > >I'm interested. Please uploade it. > >Another interest: Where can I find an up-to-date alpha2-amd64 >netinstall ISO? > > > Official downloads: http://files.devuan.org/ Unofficial devuan-alpha2-amd64-live: http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/other/ The live iso is still uploading. Give it until at least 10:15pm EDT Thursday (2:15am UTC Friday) to finish. Should be 788MB. fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude
I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. It all works with just a bit of weirdness. I use apt-get update apt-get upgrade and then use aptitude to fix those upgrades that get held back for various reasons. Whenever I highlight one of the held back packages and press 'e' to examine the various possibilities the names of the packages to be removed or installed are mangled with block characters and/or assorted characters from other non-Latin1 character sets. Upside down question marks etc. Any ideas what is going on? I am using the slim login manager and then depending on my mood fluxbox, xfce, or lumina - the new desktop from pc-bsd. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:59:09 -0700 Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 8/27/15, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under > > Qemu? To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015, 7:47 PM > > > > Another interest: Where can I find an up-to-date alpha2-amd64 > > netinstall ISO? > > > > > > http://files.devuan.org/ *Very* nice, Go Linux! This was exactly what I was looking for. Now I can always have the latest and greatest, in just the form I like. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:51:32 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > On 08/27/2015 08:47 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:23:43 -0400 > > fsmithred wrote: > > > >> On 08/27/2015 09:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > >>> > >>> Where can I find and download the latest Devuan capable of being > >>> run on Qemu (I assume this means an ISO, unless someone knows > >>> another way to do it). [clip] > Official downloads: > http://files.devuan.org/ > > Unofficial devuan-alpha2-amd64-live: > http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/other/ Thanks so much fsr. This is exactly what I was looking for. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to find the latest Devuan that runs under Qemu?
Here's a synopsis of changes I made in devuan to create the live iso. In the installation that was used to create the iso, I changed the debian grub boot splash to the red vulcan devuan boot spash, but I forgot to do that in the iso. fsr --- Added live-boot live-config live-config-sysvinit live-boot-initramfs-tools refractasnapshot refractainstaller refracta2usb Added yad from slavino.sk apt-get install -f added the following dependencies: The following extra packages will be installed: gparted hwinfo isolinux libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhd21 libisoburn1 libpangomm-1.4-1 libparted-fs-resize0 libx86emu1 live-boot live-boot-doc live-boot-initramfs-tools live-config live-config-doc live-config-sysvinit live-tools mtools pv rsync squashfs-tools syslinux syslinux-common user-setup uuid-runtime xorriso Suggested packages: xfsprogs reiserfsprogs reiser4progs jfsutils yelp kpartx dmraid gpart libparted-dev curlftpfs cryptsetup httpfs2 unionfs-fuse debian-installer-launcher floppyd doc-base openssh-server jigit cdck The following NEW packages will be installed: gparted hwinfo isolinux libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhd21 libisoburn1 libpangomm-1.4-1 libparted-fs-resize0 libx86emu1 live-boot live-boot-doc live-boot-initramfs-tools live-config live-config-doc live-config-sysvinit live-tools mtools pv rsync squashfs-tools syslinux syslinux-common user-setup uuid-runtime xorriso 0 upgraded, 28 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded. 5 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 7,547 kB of archives. After this operation, 27.7 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main rsync amd64 3.1.1-3 [390 kB] Removed systemd libpam-systemd systemd-shim Then apt-get autoremove: The following packages will be REMOVED: cgmanager libcgmanager0 libnih-dbus1 libnih1 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 959 kB disk space will be freed. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] NVidia driver howto?
Hi all, I have an Nvidia GTX 750ti card in the box I'm testing x86_64 Alpha2 on. After install, both Slim and X run an 800x600 resolution which is not good for me. I am used to installing either nvidia-xxx from apt (on Ubuntuish distros) or downloading the Linux NVidia binary install driver from nvidia.com. The latter being a bit difficult to setup. I searched for 'devuan nvidia' and did not find any howto/docs so went to wiki.debian.org where it shows to add the jessie non-free repo for nvidia support (deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free). Hmm.. which way to go. I installed the NVidia download driver instead but it does not seem to produce a usable display. During boot, there is a switch from text to vga mode and the screen goes black. If I boot single-user I can start xfce as root and the video mode is very nice. Before I start messing with grub video modes or disabling plymouth with kernel parameter, I thought it best to ask what would work best with Devuan? THanks for all your hard work on Devuan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
Found a call to calloc() without a matching call to free() in core_functions.c i) eth0, wlan0 can be upped and downed from GUI ii) eth0 configuration cannot be edited from GUI iii) wifi configuration can be edited from GUI iv) wifi hotspot scanning works v) listing of configured wifis and eth0 supported TODO: (ie what I am doing now) i) Testing of using a root SUID for backend instead of sudo ii) automatic selection of strongest wifi signal but on request by user. That is, user presses a button to instruct netman to search instead of having it eating CPU cycles without being told to. After achieving these goals, the new goal will be that of internationalisation. Those who are 'worried' about netman/backend not recognizing international characters, shall be listened to. :) These are my humble ideas... Anyone who has other ideas is free to make them known. Edward On 27/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Also successfully detected multiple simultaneously active connections > from Lazarus code. The next step will be to implement network > connection identification in C code. > > After that, I will do my next commit to git.devuan.org > > > Automatic searching for Wifi hotspots probably will need a separate > thread to simplify the code, although I am confident this can be > achieved from the main thread without crippling it. However, without a > separate thread, the code will be far more complex and difficult to > read. > > I am opting for a separate thread. > > Edward > > On 27/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> It worked. >> >> Now, I must find a way to determine whether we can communicate with a >> router. Found that also. >> >> "ip a | grep wlan0" >> With wifi switched on and connection active: state UP >> >> With wifi turned off and connection still active: state DOWN >> >> That is what I need. >> >> >> Edward >> >> On 27/08/2015, Steve Litt wrote: >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:40:49 +0100 >>> Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> I added another function to core_functions.c. It attempts to connect to eth0 but for some weird reason, probably a bug not from our part, it is failing. The function is: int connectWired(const char ethx) And the error is: (passed command to execl is "ifup eth0") "This command should be called as ifup, ifdown, or ifquery" Any pointers as to what is the cause are appreciated. >>> >>> You might get lucky by sending execl the full path to ifup, perhaps >>> it's /sbin/ifup and execl didn't send the environment. >>> >>> >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust >>> ___ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude
Try with: # dpkg-reconfigure console-data Aitor. On 28/08/15 13:21, Dave Turner wrote: I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. It all works with just a bit of weirdness. I use apt-get update apt-get upgrade and then use aptitude to fix those upgrades that get held back for various reasons. Whenever I highlight one of the held back packages and press 'e' to examine the various possibilities the names of the packages to be removed or installed are mangled with block characters and/or assorted characters from other non-Latin1 character sets. Upside down question marks etc. Any ideas what is going on? I am using the slim login manager and then depending on my mood fluxbox, xfce, or lumina - the new desktop from pc-bsd. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude
console-data was not installed so I installed it. Configured it. No difference. Rebooted. No difference. Rummaged around the interweb found assorted files to look at, reconfigured locale, had another go at configuring the keyboard. Rebooted. No difference! Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Aitor. It is all part of the fun of running 'unstable'. I'll keep surfing. DaveT On 28/08/15 13:34, aitor_czr wrote: Try with: # dpkg-reconfigure console-data Aitor. On 28/08/15 13:21, Dave Turner wrote: I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. It all works with just a bit of weirdness. I use apt-get update apt-get upgrade and then use aptitude to fix those upgrades that get held back for various reasons. Whenever I highlight one of the held back packages and press 'e' to examine the various possibilities the names of the packages to be removed or installed are mangled with block characters and/or assorted characters from other non-Latin1 character sets. Upside down question marks etc. Any ideas what is going on? I am using the slim login manager and then depending on my mood fluxbox, xfce, or lumina - the new desktop from pc-bsd. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide
Article here: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I transition completely to Devuan! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 05:00:56PM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote: > Article here: > > https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ > > I for one look forward to not having any of this madness one day when I > transition completely to Devuan! Motivations are legit (see sup, doas). Having a privilege escalation subsystem onto PID 1 is nonetheless still stupid. -- Teodoro Santoni Something is wrong. I don't wanna compile 20 KB of Go code to list files. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide
On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a broken concept. What he conveniently forgets, of course, is that having a real root session with a separated environment, which is what the new feature does, could already be achieved... by logging in as root. Duh! So, this is just yet another propaganda stunt. "su sucks. See? UNIX sucks! And now systemd can do so much better than UNIX: it gives you real root sessions that do not leak anything from the user environment." "But, um, can't UNIX already do that ?..." "NO NO NO systemd does it better because " It's been like this since day 1 of systemd, and I'm not expecting it to change any time soon. -- Laurent ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide
I always thought su was the wrong way to go about things. Give me sudo every time. (there are assorted long discussions about su vs sudo out there on the interweb, let's not repeat them here!) Just be glad we still have a choice! DaveT On 28/08/15 16:32, Laurent Bercot wrote: On 28/08/2015 17:00, Michael Bütow wrote: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ The thing is, he's not entirely wrong: su *is*, really, a broken concept. What he conveniently forgets, of course, is that having a real root session with a separated environment, which is what the new feature does, could already be achieved... by logging in as root. Duh! So, this is just yet another propaganda stunt. "su sucks. See? UNIX sucks! And now systemd can do so much better than UNIX: it gives you real root sessions that do not leak anything from the user environment." "But, um, can't UNIX already do that ?..." "NO NO NO systemd does it better because " It's been like this since day 1 of systemd, and I'm not expecting it to change any time soon. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
This is exasperating! Git is refusing my commits telling me everything is up to date! This is effectively locking me out of development notwithstanding that I spent hours upon hours developing. This puts me down. :((( Edward On 28/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Found a call to calloc() without a matching call to free() in > core_functions.c > > i) eth0, wlan0 can be upped and downed from GUI > ii) eth0 configuration cannot be edited from GUI > iii) wifi configuration can be edited from GUI > iv) wifi hotspot scanning works > v) listing of configured wifis and eth0 supported > > TODO: (ie what I am doing now) > i) Testing of using a root SUID for backend instead of sudo > ii) automatic selection of strongest wifi signal but on request by > user. That is, user presses a button to instruct netman to search > instead of having it eating CPU cycles without being told to. > > After achieving these goals, the new goal will be that of > internationalisation. > > Those who are 'worried' about netman/backend not recognizing > international characters, shall be listened to. :) > > These are my humble ideas... Anyone who has other ideas is free to > make them known. > > Edward > > On 27/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> Also successfully detected multiple simultaneously active connections >> from Lazarus code. The next step will be to implement network >> connection identification in C code. >> >> After that, I will do my next commit to git.devuan.org >> >> >> Automatic searching for Wifi hotspots probably will need a separate >> thread to simplify the code, although I am confident this can be >> achieved from the main thread without crippling it. However, without a >> separate thread, the code will be far more complex and difficult to >> read. >> >> I am opting for a separate thread. >> >> Edward >> >> On 27/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> It worked. >>> >>> Now, I must find a way to determine whether we can communicate with a >>> router. Found that also. >>> >>> "ip a | grep wlan0" >>> With wifi switched on and connection active: state UP >>> >>> With wifi turned off and connection still active: state DOWN >>> >>> That is what I need. >>> >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 27/08/2015, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:40:49 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I added another function to core_functions.c. It attempts to connect > to eth0 but for some weird reason, probably a bug not from our part, > it is failing. > > The function is: int connectWired(const char ethx) > > And the error is: (passed command to execl is "ifup eth0") > "This command should be called as ifup, ifdown, or ifquery" > > Any pointers as to what is the cause are appreciated. You might get lucky by sending execl the full path to ifup, perhaps it's /sbin/ifup and execl didn't send the environment. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
Suppose I changed backend.c core_functions.c core_functions.h, what would the command be? Edward On 28/08/2015, Urban Wallasch wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:22 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> This is exasperating! Git is refusing my commits telling me everything >> is up to date! >> > > Did you use "git add " before calling "git commit"? > > -- > Irrwahn > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] NextBSD people trying to infect FreeBSD too: "dragging Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st century by its hair, if necessary."
Thank you god! yet there are sane people Like V.R, who wrote: "I couldn’t help but laugh. They’re going to drag Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st century… by integrating a mid-80s first-generation research microkernel for its infamous IPC. Please people, read this article -> http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/08/26/0/ -- Stop slacking you lazy bum! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
Assuming you are in the backend_src directory of the project: # git add src/backend.c src/core_functions.c include/core_functions.h # git commit -m "my fancy commit message" (Hope I got the subdirectory names right, did this without actually checking.) -- Irrwahn On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:32:26 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Suppose I changed backend.c core_functions.c core_functions.h, what > would the command be? > > > Edward > > > > On 28/08/2015, Urban Wallasch wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:22 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> This is exasperating! Git is refusing my commits telling me everything >>> is up to date! >>> >> >> Did you use "git add " before calling "git commit"? >> >> -- >> Irrwahn >> > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] NextBSD people trying to infect FreeBSD too: "dragging Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st century by its hair, if necessary."
On 2015-08-28 14:41, Marlon Nunes wrote: Thank you god! yet there are sane people Like V.R, who wrote: "I couldn’t help but laugh. They’re going to drag Unix kicking and screaming into the 21st century… by integrating a mid-80s first-generation research microkernel for its infamous IPC. Please people, read this article -> http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/08/26/0/ V.R said: "The NextBSD effort is barely even trying to think about solving problems. They just have people who are or were associated with Apple, are enamored with OS X as a technology and simply ritualistically port the OS X infrastructure as if it were an inherently correct fiat that needs no justification." Where else we are seeing this? :) -- Stop slacking you lazy bum! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:22 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is exasperating! Git is refusing my commits telling me everything > is up to date! > > This is effectively locking me out of development notwithstanding that > I spent hours upon hours developing. This puts me down. > > :((( Git: Not a fan. Oh, don't get me wrong: If it's a huge project with lots of contributors, Git is worth all the learning and close attention. But with a one or two person project, manual sharing, with a lot of discussion, via email is usually more productive. This is especially true of a brand new, constantly changing project with one or a couple authors. I lost my dmenu for Devuan docs somewhere in Devuan's git system, after first getting them so discombobbled that it took me hours of what should have been doc-writing time, just getting them restored in Git. I'll be rewriting those docs from scratch, and until they're finished, I'll have them readable on Troubleshooters.Com, not on anyone's Git. I'll put them on Devuan's Git when they're stable. IMHO in the beginning every project should be one person, or at the most 3. Others can make suggestions, but the guys doing the dev should pick which suggestions go in. Later, when the project becomes stable, THEN put it in Git where everyone can have their way with it. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude
I do not know a solution for this behavior but you do not need aptitude in this situation you can do apt-get dist-upgrade to fix those upgrades that get held back for various reasons. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:45:51 +0100 From: Dave Turner To:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude Message-ID:<55e011af.6050...@barradas.free-online.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. It all works with just a bit of weirdness. I use apt-get update apt-get upgrade and then use aptitude to fix those upgrades that get held back for various reasons. Whenever I highlight one of the held back packages and press 'e' to examine the various possibilities the names of the packages to be removed or installed are mangled with block characters and/or assorted characters from other non-Latin1 character sets. Upside down question marks etc. Any ideas what is going on? I am using the slim login manager and then depending on my mood fluxbox, xfce, or lumina - the new desktop from pc-bsd. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
Quote: "IMHO in the beginning every project should be one person, or at the most 3. Others can make suggestions, but the guys doing the dev should pick which suggestions go in. Later, when the project becomes stable, THEN put it in Git where everyone can have their way with it." In fact, effectively this is what I did, the reason being I was unsuccessful uploading my changes. But now, it looks like I succeeded with this commit: --- commit 799957ad4007aa8e272d18508e59f33903b7c44d Author: edbarx Date: Fri Aug 28 19:43:42 2015 +0100 GUI frontend: now supports wireless and wired connections. Code added to protect the defaults in /etc/network/interfaces. Backend C code: add another function connect_wired() and another operation to backend code number 9. This is to connect a wired connection. Both the frontend and the backend now refuse to disconnect multiple connections. netman is now designed to handle one connection at a time. Code has been added to minimize situations where multiple instances of the backend are running. Edward On 28/08/2015, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:11:22 +0100 > Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> This is exasperating! Git is refusing my commits telling me everything >> is up to date! >> >> This is effectively locking me out of development notwithstanding that >> I spent hours upon hours developing. This puts me down. >> >> :((( > > Git: Not a fan. > > Oh, don't get me wrong: If it's a huge project with lots of > contributors, Git is worth all the learning and close attention. But > with a one or two person project, manual sharing, with a lot of > discussion, via email is usually more productive. This is especially > true of a brand new, constantly changing project with one or a couple > authors. > > I lost my dmenu for Devuan docs somewhere in Devuan's git system, after > first getting them so discombobbled that it took me hours of what > should have been doc-writing time, just getting them restored in Git. > > I'll be rewriting those docs from scratch, and until they're finished, > I'll have them readable on Troubleshooters.Com, not on anyone's Git. > I'll put them on Devuan's Git when they're stable. IMHO in the beginning > every project should be one person, or at the most 3. Others can make > suggestions, but the guys doing the dev should pick which suggestions > go in. > > Later, when the project becomes stable, THEN put it in Git where > everyone can have their way with it. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?
Hi, I use xfce-session with nodm, a (very) lightweight display manager. It essentially puts a user's x session into an endless loop. When shutting down the system via logout dialog (utilizing pm-utils), at least on my installation (utilizing sysvinit), nodm fails to recognize that the system is in shutdown and restarts xfce-session after xfce-session has received SIGTERM from the shutdown procedure. I have fixed this behavior by letting nodm evaluate utmp to determine if the current runlevel is 0, and if yes, not restart the x session. According to documentation at [1], systemd also has some capability of writing utmp updates; the documentation explicitly mentions "runlevel changes and shutdown". I wonder: Does systemd write RUN_LVL utmp entries in a compliant fashion; especially, when entering shutdown, does it generate an entry of ut_type RUN_LVL with ut_pid set to 0? Kind regards, T. Links: [1] freedesktop.org. systemd-update-utmp.service. URL: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-update-utmp.service.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?
On August 28, 2015 11:09:08 PM GMT+02:00, tilt! wrote: > >Does systemd write RUN_LVL utmp entries in a compliant fashion; >especially, when entering shutdown, does it generate an entry of >ut_type RUN_LVL with ut_pid set to 0? very good question!! >Kind regards, ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
many are the ways of the artisans and we shall respect them all lets put it white on black: Devuan will not lure upstream into its git but certainly we are honored to share that infrastructure with this fine campfire for me git has been a great thing. but then I was already using CVS and svn for projects... git made it all easier and flexible. worthed the time. also magit works great on emacs ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netman GIT project
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:00:28AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > many are the ways of the artisans > > and we shall respect them all > > lets put it white on black: > Devuan will not lure upstream into its git > but certainly we are honored to share that infrastructure with this fine > campfire > > > for me git has been a great thing. but > then I was already using CVS and svn for projects... git made it all easier > and flexible. worthed the time. also magit works great on emacs magit is THE TRUTH. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?
Hi tilt! The systemd 217 announcement contained something about utmp support being compile time optional to have legacy free systems. So I would not depend on that service. I do not think you would need it anyway as systemd will stop the display manager all by itself. Best Regards, Tobias ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 08:45:51AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. > It all works with just a bit of weirdness. > I use apt-get update apt-get upgrade and then use aptitude to fix those > upgrades that get held back for various reasons. > Whenever I highlight one of the held back packages and press 'e' to examine > the various possibilities the names of the packages to be removed or > installed are mangled with block characters and/or assorted characters from > other non-Latin1 character sets. Upside down question marks etc. > > Any ideas what is going on? > > I am using the slim login manager and then depending on my mood fluxbox, > xfce, or lumina - the new desktop from pc-bsd. What's your terminal? Are ncurses-term and ncurses-base installed? What does this command output: env |grep -e TERM -e LC -e LANG -e LOCALE I ask these because I'm *guessing* that it's one of the following: -you don't have TERM pointing to an installed & correct termcap/terminfo database -your localization is screwy -you have the wrong fonts (not likely unless it's a plain xlib terminal) HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] does systemd set runlevel 0 in utmp on shutdown?
Hello Tobias, thanks a lot for these hints! Please understand the following questions not directed specifically to you, it's just that I am not very much into systemd, and i appreciate every piece of clarification a lot. I post this here, because this is one forum I know that cares about portability between *different* init systems, and that's just what i would like to ensure for my nodm patch before proposing it anywhere. On 08/29/2015 02:13 AM, Tobias Hunger wrote: > The systemd 217 announcement contained something about utmp support being > compile time optional to have legacy free systems. So I would not depend on > that service. That makes things difficult: With systemd 217 or later installed, (1) if utmp is there (it's in POSIX), but the utmp support (being optional) is not there, will utmp simply remain not updated? (2) If the answer to (1) was "yes" then, how to determine if I am dealing with an utmp that is not actually being maintained but just remains there as sort of a compatibility placeholder (again, it's in POSIX)? Check for installed systemd and its version being >= 217? (3) In the light of questions (1) and (2), does systemd care about POSIX at all? > I do not think you would need it anyway as systemd will stop the display > manager all by itself. Given the unclarity I tried to express in my previous questions, i admit that i am currently not too confident about that. Just to be on the safe side: (4) Am I right in understanding that the systemd way of determining if a system is in shutdown is to check for a special target "shutdown.target" in the list of "jobs"? Searching the web, I find shellscript examples using the "systemctl" service executable, something along the lines of /usr/bin/systemctl list-jobs | egrep -q 'shutdown.target.*start' && echo "shutting down" || echo "not shutting down" Is there a C API for that, too? I could of course dissect systemctl, as I have done with the sysvinit utilities, but i have yet to find the time to do so. Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
