Re: [Dng] New systemd release notes regarding udev.

[Jaromil]

ahoy!

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:

>You don't have to wait up for me, though--Devuan's udev and eudev are
>ready to use now :) *Developing vdev and libudev-compat is one of several
>contingency plans for the scenario where udev and libudev become
>intractably dependent on systemd.

man!  speaking of viral videos... :^) this one doesn't needs captions,
but three modifications: me and Franco french kissing, then a D added on
the "system failure" and your face on Neo's coming out of phone booth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYw2nj36NCM

ciao

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Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

[James Powell]

Doesn't udevil have a port on BSD? Off kilter question but if the answer is 
yes, then I can expand the idea I have.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Rob Owens
Sent: ‎6/‎1/‎2015 10:30 AM
To: shraptor
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

- Original Message -
> From: "shraptor" 
> On 2015-06-01 16:22, Rob Owens wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Robert Storey" 
> >>
> >> First, thanks to all who replied.
> >>
> >> To me, the ideal solution would be if this was a user-configurable
> >> option.
> >> Would be great if you could, for example, just stick something into
> >> .bashrc
> >> for any user to allow automounting of USB devices, no matter which DE
> >> or
> >> window manager was being used. But I know it doesn't work that way.
> >> Just
> >> saying, it would make sense.
> >>
> >> pmount - yes, thanks for reminding me. I've used it eons ago. But all
> >> it does
> >> is allow one to mount a device without needing sudo. Still not really
> >> automounting.
> >>
> >> No one mentioned udevil. I just found it. Also not the same as
> >> automounting,
> >> but check out the interesting git home page:
> >>
> >> https://ignorantguru.github.io/udevil/
> >>
> > That guy also wrote spacefm.  It's a file manager which allows you to
> > either
> > manually or automatically mount USB devices.  It can be configured to
> > use
> > udevil, pmount, udisks1, or udisks2 to perform that function.
> >
> > Spacefm is currently unsupported by the developer.
> >
>
>
> checking github
> https://github.com/IgnorantGuru/spacefm/commits/next
>
> it seems spacefm is very much alive
>

Awesome!  Thanks for the update.  Last I had read, ignorantguru was on
haitus (announced April 28, 2014).  But it looks like as of this February,
he's back.

https://igurublog.wordpress.com/
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[Dng] Announcing i386 netboot iso for Devuan (Alpha 2)

[Daniel Reurich]

You can find it at:

http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso

Known issues:

* default hostname = debian (netcfg udeb)
* the name Debian appears in taskmanager in reference to 'Desktop 
Environment'
* if 'standard utilities' are left selected in task-select the 
installation step fails (dependency conflict between nfs-common and 
libdevmapper)

* systemd bits are still installed even though we use sysvinit.

Any other issues, please file an issue against devuan-installer project 
in git lab, email me, or try and catch me on irc #devuan


Cheers :D


--
Daniel Reurich
Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd.
+64 21 797 722
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Re: [Dng] Announcing i386 netboot iso for Devuan (Alpha 2)

[Martial Bornet]

Thanks to all of you, guys !
I've installed it in a VM, I saw no problem while installing.
But do you plan to get rid of libpam-systemd and libsystemd0 as well ?

2015-06-02 15:12 GMT+02:00 Daniel Reurich :

> You can find it at:
>
>
> http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso
>
> Known issues:
>
> * default hostname = debian (netcfg udeb)
> * the name Debian appears in taskmanager in reference to 'Desktop
> Environment'
> * if 'standard utilities' are left selected in task-select the
> installation step fails (dependency conflict between nfs-common and
> libdevmapper)
> * systemd bits are still installed even though we use sysvinit.
>
> Any other issues, please file an issue against devuan-installer project in
> git lab, email me, or try and catch me on irc #devuan
>
> Cheers :D
>
>
> --
> Daniel Reurich
> Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd.
> +64 21 797 722
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Re: [Dng] Announcing i386 netboot iso for Devuan (Alpha 2)

[Irrwahn]

Martial Bornet wrote on 02.06.2015 18:17:
> Thanks to all of you, guys !
> I've installed it in a VM, I saw no problem while installing.
> But do you plan to get rid of libpam-systemd and libsystemd0 as well ?

None of the systemd packages are required in a finished base system 
install, I was able to purge them without inducing collateral damage.

Moreover, with the Devuan packages it is possible to get a completely 
systemd-free fully working lightdm/Xfce desktop by resorting to 
policykit-1, consolekit, libpam-ck-connector, udisks, udisks2, etc. 
(Just make sure to purge libpam-systemd, otherwise ck-connector won't 
work!)  I just confirmed it with the netboot iso for Jessie, but it 
still requires some manual intervention, otherwise e.g. lightdm pulls 
in the plague via a libpam-systemd dependency, which is equally 
satisfiable by installing consolekit.

However, convenient handling of removable drives in Thunar AFAICT 
requires gvfs, which in turn pulls in libsystemd0. Personally, I can 
live with having that one relic lingering around as one systemd 
tombsto^W memorial. ;-)  Your mileage may vary.

Cheers,
Urban
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Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

[APT Gatuno MX]

El 31/05/2015 8:23 pm, Franco Lanza escribió:


Hello Felix,
if you can also donate a VPS to the project, this would be great.

So, if you can do that, please do it and just let me know the
ip address and the hostname you want to have and i will setup the
devuan.org subdomain on our dns.

If you can't do that or you think is better we host this machine, in 
few

days i will give you a machine with ssh access to do the work.

The repository to be used is packages.devuan.org/merged [suite] main
[contrib] [non-free]

as suites, we have:

jessie|stable
jessie-updates|stable-updates
jessie-proposed-updates|stable-proposed-updates
jessie-backports|stable-backports
jessie-security|stable-security
ascii|testing
ascii-updates|testing-updates
ascii-proposed-updates|testing-proposed-updates
ascii-security|testing-security
ceres|unstable
ceres-proposed-updates|unstable-proposed-updates|incoming
experimental

Let me know if you will setup a machine or you prefer to have one from
us

--

Franco Lanza



Ok. There is a working Devuan packages at packages.devuan.gatuno.mx
Is hosted on my personal web server. I want to test how much traffic 
will raise and then choose the apropiate bandwidth for the VPS.


I couldn't find the jessie-security, ascii-security and 
ceres-proposed-updates dists. For now, I removed them.


Guys, take it easy if you see some "Debian" leftovers. Yes, the logo is 
there. Does Devuan have logo?


For the urls, I don't know what url to use. I mean, there is an already 
existing packages.devuan.org, should we rename it to something like 
'ftp.devuan.org' and put and 301 redirect? Or what dns name should we 
use?


Please checkout the page and tellme what do you think.

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Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

[Go Linux]

On Tue, 6/2/15, APT Gatuno MX  wrote:

Does Devuan have logo?

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https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/20

There might be a more recent version posted elsewhere.
hellekin will know better - I've been flat out for nearly a month so a little 
behind
 
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[Dng] sysVinit, devuan debootstrap - antiX 15 Beta3

[Jim Murphy]

Hi all,

Just an FYI.  Over on DistroWatch[1] and antiX's homepage[2]
it was announced that antiX 15 Beta3 has been released.
Two items of note:

1) Uses SysVInit for managing services and is completely free
of systemd
2) Built using Devuan debootstrap

It's a little harder to figure out it uses sysVinit on antiX's home
page, but if you go to the download page[3], you will find all
version 15 beta3 file names are coded with "V" for sysVinit.
They use "R" for rolling and "D" for systemd releases.

Again, just an FYI.  I personally have never used antiX, so I
have no idea how useful it would be to anyone.  It appears
to be limited.

Jim

[1] http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08965
[2] http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#News
[3] http://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/Testing/antiX-14R/
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Re: [Dng] sysVinit, devuan debootstrap - antiX 15 Beta3

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 02:10:55PM -0500, Jim Murphy wrote:
...
> it was announced that antiX 15 Beta3 has been released.
...
> 2) Built using Devuan debootstrap

Does this mean we've *arrived*?  Now that other distros are using some 
of our code forks?

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Re: [Dng] sysVinit, devuan debootstrap - antiX 15 Beta3

[Richard]

>
> ​
> Again, just an FYI.  I personally have never used antiX,
> ​
>

so I
> ​
> have no idea how useful it would be to anyone.  It appears

to be limited.​
>
>
​It is designed to fit on a CD as a base for older machines​.
It has done this admirably well for quite a few years.
You can install what strikes your fancy from the repos.

I prefer and use the MX-14 version with Xfce since April-2014.
They were, in my experience, the first to upgrade to Xfce-4.12.
The coming new MX version will no longer fit on a CD,
and a 64-bit version will be added.

Their stated goal is to avoid systemd. I'm happy to see
they are using parts of the devuan base.
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Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

[Robert Storey]

James Powell wrote:
> Doesn't udevil have a port on BSD? Off kilter question but
>if the answer is yes, then I can expand the idea I have.

A Google search turned up this:

http://ftp4.se.freebsd.org/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/udevil/

Not sure if that is what you're looking for. Hope it helps.

cheers,
Robert
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Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

[Isaac Dunham]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 01:00:12PM -0500, APT Gatuno MX wrote:
> El 31/05/2015 8:23 pm, Franco Lanza escribió:
> >
> >Hello Felix,
> >if you can also donate a VPS to the project, this would be great.
> >
> >So, if you can do that, please do it and just let me know the
> >ip address and the hostname you want to have and i will setup the
> >devuan.org subdomain on our dns.
> >
> >If you can't do that or you think is better we host this machine,
> >in few
> >days i will give you a machine with ssh access to do the work.
> >
> >The repository to be used is packages.devuan.org/merged [suite] main
> >[contrib] [non-free]
> 
> Ok. There is a working Devuan packages at packages.devuan.gatuno.mx

Thanks!
Seems to work well.

However, I'm wondering about something that's tangentially related but
perhaps not part of the same code:
Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support downloading 
changelogs from non-Debian packages?


Thanks,
Isaac Dunham

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Re: [Dng] OT: separate GUI from commands

[Isaac Dunham]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 12:19:51PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 07:16:55PM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:54:53PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> > > On 27/05/2015 12:12, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > >I'm in the process of writing (yet) a(nother) editor and output 
> > > >formatter,
> > > >and on reading this, I started to wonder -- just how could one separate
> > > >a command-line version from the UI?  I can see that the output
> > > >formatter can be so separated (and very usefully), but the actual
> > > >editing?
> > > 
> > >  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, as I'm unfamiliar with the
> > > internal of editors. But IIUC, an editor is, by definition, a user
> > > interface, so the command-line / UI separation looks impossible or
> > > irrelevant to me here.
> > >  However, there are still some separations that you can perform when
> > > designing an editor. Right off the top of my head:
> > >  - Core functions vs. actual interface, which could be terminal-based
> > > or X-based. Think vim vs. gvim, or emacs -nw.
> > >  - programmable editor commands vs. interface to enter those commands.
> > > Think the sed engine in vi, or the LISP engine in emacs.
> > > 
> > >  If you factor your work correctly, it should be trivial for a program
> > > to get access to your editor commands via a library function call - and
> > > you can make a command-line tool to wrap useful calls. Also, there could
> > 
> > nvi (the Berkeley rewrite of vi, after abandoning their first version)
> > uses a shared backend (vi-ipc) connected to the frontend via pipe().
> > There are about four frontends: terminfo-based (curses was derived
> > from the code for this), tk, motif, and gtk.
> > I ended up finding out this as a result of making the motif frontend
> > build/work again.
> 
> Thanks.  I should probably look into that.  It might be illumination.
> Which version of the code or inteernal documentation should I be 
> looking for?  And where?

I think what I used was http://repo.or.cz/w/nvi.git, and the vi-ipc code
is in ipc/.
However, I'm not seeing much of anything by way of documentation.

HTH,
Isaac Dunham
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Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

[James Powell]

Okay, then that's probably a yes???

Anyways, if udevil works similar to udisks/udisks2 for automounting, I wonder 
if we could devise a script or small utility to wrap udisks/udisks2 calls to 
udevil without needing udisks directly? If so, this script/utility could be 
useful not only for Linux but BSD also. This could be useful to vdev as well 
equally.

Thoughts?

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Robert Storey
Sent: ‎6/‎2/‎2015 6:28 PM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

James Powell wrote:
> Doesn't udevil have a port on BSD? Off kilter question but
>if the answer is yes, then I can expand the idea I have.

A Google search turned up this:

http://ftp4.se.freebsd.org/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/udevil/

Not sure if that is what you're looking for. Hope it helps.

cheers,
Robert
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Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

[Isaac Dunham]

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 07:57:47AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> With all the recent discussion about DEs (Cinnamon, Gnome, Mate, etc), I
> just thought I'd throw this in here...
> 
> For the longest time, I simply used a window manager. In the beginning, it
> was FVWM, but later I took a liking to IceWM. As opposed to a full-blown
> Desktop Environment, I liked the speed and simplicity of a window manager.

I use IceWM, and also FVWM1 (on my "sparta" devuan-with-mdev install).
I prefer the simplicity, and I enjoy having something faster than *any*
desktop, xfce included.

> The only drawback is that window manager doesn't seem to do automounting of
> plugged-in devices. I went looking for a solution, and found this page:

In my book, that's an advantage.
Of course a significant percentage of the times that I plug in a USB
device I'm trying to repartition it.

> https://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Automounting
> 
> It says, among other things, that udev can be configured to handle
> automounting. That's nice, but since systemd has polluted udev beyond
> repair, I'm wondering if Devuan can be set up to handle it better, perhaps
> with vdev. Or is there a better way?

Use "mount" ;-)
Locally, I sometimes use a script I named "mat", which mounts a device
(shortname) at the "usual" location, creating the mountpoint if needed.
This isn't the version I use, but it gives you the idea:

#!/bin/sh
[ -b "/dev/$1" ] || exit 3
mkdir -p "/mnt/$1" || exit 2
mount -o users,rw "/dev/$1" "/mnt/$1"


Something like this could be run from mdev as a helper when a partition
is detetected, or you could use "mount -a -T /etc/autotab", or you could
use a hotplug helper along the lines of

#!/bin/sh
[ -n "$DEVTYPE" -a  "$ACTION" = "add" ] || exit
mkdir -p "/mnt/$DEVNAME"
mount -o users,rw "/dev/$DEVNAME" "/mnt/$DEVNAME"

Or you could parse the output of nlmon...

There are no shortage of ways to set it up.

> I believe that people who are opposed to systemd are similar to me - we
> prefer simplicity over complex solutions, and are not impressed by bells
> and whistles. Thus, I think people who are attracted to Devuan would be a
> good market for a simple desktop based on IceWM.

True.
However, we're often able to set it up ourselves.

Thanks,
Isaac Dunham
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Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

[Irrwahn]

Isaac Dunham wrote on 03.06.2015 03:40:
> However, I'm wondering about something that's tangentially related but
> perhaps not part of the same code:
> Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support downloading 
> changelogs from non-Debian packages?

Unfortunately, aptitude will have to be patched to make this work. 
The Debian origin is hardcoded for changelogs. :/

Cheers,
Urban
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