Re: [Dng] apt repository?
hi Eugene, On 8 March 2015 13:05:42 CET, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: >Also, will this repos conflict with Debian? > >If I upgrade to Devuan Jessie (systemd-free), what should I do with >original Debian repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list ? I should remove >them, shouldn't I? no, at least not at the moment. the repos can co-exist in the alpha series until further notice. This may change in the future, as we plan to distribute all packages from our own servers However for now you can keep both and try installing things, the pinning should preserve you from systemd. This is of course about alpha testing, we don't have anything ready for production yet. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant
dear Jeremy, as written in my announcement to the list, Vagrant should be installed from the website packages (yes, the wiki directions are wrong in suggesting rubygems). For other problems you encounter on running Vagrant, please ask on Gentoo forums. Thanks for taking the time to test Devuan Alpha! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] greets
Hey all, I just joined this list to see how it was going, and to figure out what this project is really all about. Is 'devuan' the final name, or simply a placeholder? First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? Second, how many original Debian devs / maintainers are on board? Finally, who are the people currently running the show? (If there's a page that tells me all this, please post a link.) -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: High heels are a device invented by a woman who was tired of being kissed on the forehead. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:36:14PM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote: > Hey all, Hi Christopher, welcome on board. Maybe I am not the most adequate person to answer all your questions, but I will do my best. I am sure the ML will point out any inaccuracy. > > I just joined this list to see how it was going, and to figure out what > this project is really all about. Is 'devuan' the final name, or > simply a placeholder? > Devuan is the final name (at the moment! :P) and is really happening. It is a fork of Debian with the clear intention of creating and maintaining a Debian in which init freedom is guaranteed (which initially will boil down to eradicate systemd and all its companions from Debian). There is already an alpha release intended to be used solely by developers and not for production (you can find the announcement and the link in the ML archive or March), a repository with some initial packages (the other ones will most probably be imported directly from Debian Jessie) and a gitlab (git.devuan.org/explore) > First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? > There exists a proposed minimal draft for a Devuan Constitution: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/DevuanConstitution that everybody acquainted with the Debian Constitution should indeed find quite familiar :) > Second, how many original Debian devs / maintainers are on board? > No clear idea about this. I know there should be at least half a dozen DDs in the ML, but I suspect many others have been lurking around... > Finally, who are the people currently running the show? > > (If there's a page that tells me all this, please post a link.) > The Veteran Unix Admins collective is responsible for the project, and the Dyne foundation (www.dyne.org) is providing material, technical and moral support to the developers ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:36:14 -0400 Christopher Barry wrote: > First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? With what ? Your meaning is not immediately clear... Cheers, Ron. -- The ability to speak several languages is an admirable asset, but to be able to hold your tongue in one language is absolutely priceless. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] apt repository?
Hello Jaromil, Thank you very much! I'll try soon. ...oh, I have booted my laptop (i use Debian testing here and periodically do apt-get upgrade) and found out ii libpam-systemd:amd64 204-8 amd64 ii libsystemd-daemon0:amd64 204-8 amd64 ii libsystemd-id128-0:amd64 204-8 amd64 ii libsystemd-id128-0:i386 204-8 i386 ii libsystemd-journal0:amd64 204-8 amd64 ii libsystemd-journal0:i386 204-8 i386 ii libsystemd-login0:amd64 204-8 amd64 ii libsystemd0:amd64 215-12 amd64 ii systemd 204-8 amd64 I have this evil thing! But init is as usual pid 1, I have only systemd-logind started. I think my laptop need to be devuanized... Best Regards, Eugene V. Bolshakoff On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:36:31 +0100 Jaromil wrote: hi Eugene, On 8 March 2015 13:05:42 CET, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: Also, will this repos conflict with Debian? If I upgrade to Devuan Jessie (systemd-free), what should I do with original Debian repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list ? I should remove them, shouldn't I? no, at least not at the moment. the repos can co-exist in the alpha series until further notice. This may change in the future, as we plan to distribute all packages from our own servers However for now you can keep both and try installing things, the pinning should preserve you from systemd. This is of course about alpha testing, we don't have anything ready for production yet. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:23:39 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:36:14 -0400 >Christopher Barry wrote: > >> First, does the manifesto and constitution come with? > >With what ? > >Your meaning is not immediately clear... > >Cheers, > >Ron. Ah, yes. That expression means did these items/ideas come over with the fork as well or not. One of the things that made Debian special were these democratic ideas. Unfortunately, just like in real government, special interests can stack the deck (e.g. dominate committees) and push things that are self serving and maybe not in the best interests of the greater community. Things like the technical committee appointing people (rather than a via a full vote) seems like a bad idea to me, and should likely be revisited in Devuan. -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: If the girl you love moves in with another guy once, it's more than enough. Twice, it's much too much. Three times, it's the story of your life. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Finding systemd
Hi everybody In a follow up to preparing for Devuan, I started going back to see if I could find systemd. Yes I know, I know. But what I did was start by installing just a base install of Squeeze. Just the base standard install. The only package I added was the apt-show-versions. Now this is a i386 install on a old Aopen server board with 2 gigs of memory. After the base install I ran: locate systemd*. On Squeeze this is what I got: /etc/systemd /etc/systemd/system /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket /lib/systemd /lib/systemd/system /lib/systemd/system/acpid.service /lib/systemd/system/acpid.socket /lib/systemd/system/sudo.service /usr/share/webmin/init/edit_systemd.cgi /usr/share/webmin/init/mass_systemd.cgi /usr/share/webmin/init/save_systemd.cgi Next I will post the package list with version numbers. I plan on doing this for Squeeze, Wheezy and Jessie. Stan > etech3 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Finding systemd
On Mon, 3/9/15, etech3 wrote: Subject: [Dng] Finding systemd To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Monday, March 9, 2015, 6:45 PM > Hi everybody > > In a follow up to preparing for Devuan, I started going back to see if I > could find systemd. Yes I know, I know. But what I did was start by > installing just a base install of Squeeze. Just the base standard > install. The only package I added was the apt-show-versions. Now this is > a i386 install on a old Aopen server board with 2 gigs of memory. > > After the base install I ran: locate systemd*. On Squeeze this is what I > got: > > /etc/systemd > /etc/systemd/system > /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants > /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket > /lib/systemd > /lib/systemd/system > /lib/systemd/system/acpid.service > /lib/systemd/system/acpid.socket > /lib/systemd/system/sudo.service > /usr/share/webmin/init/edit_systemd.cgi > /usr/share/webmin/init/mass_systemd.cgi > /usr/share/webmin/init/save_systemd.cgi > Next I will post the package list with version numbers. > > I plan on doing this for Squeeze, Wheezy and Jessie. > > Stan > etech3 I don't have any systemd on my squeeze. How did you manage that? Backports? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On 03/09/15 19:26, Christopher Barry wrote: > > these democratic ideas. Unfortunately, just like in real government, > special interests can stack the deck (e.g. dominate committees) and > push things that are self serving and maybe not in the best interests > of the greater community. > *** Welcome Christopher! I agree with you that Devuan governance needs to differ from Debian's, and that is must consider the general interest as well as respect the particular. Given the amount of speculation around what Devuan is and how it will evolve, I'd rather give it a chance to actually get there before we can start a discussion from a solid ground, rather than get to speak about the shadow of aliens, and how your vision is necessarily inferior to mine, because mine was raised by true Trolls that turn into stone when they meditate, etc. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
