[Dng] LILO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 LILO will not boot an UEFI. ELILO will. The switch is automatic, based on the firmware. I boot wheezy on two HP laptops w/ Lilo. Grub-2 had an ulcer with the HP UEFI. Do not think it was a grub-2 problem since I have it working fine elsewhere but an HP problem. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlTMMUsACgkQpY/BHpBmP2qDdgD/apsP+C9sMoe430hjYJw4CtgG 0mYuttsiKSLsV3Uncz0A/1aAHnbJeuZq8wSBoXz80BrzAD4VukUcQbTy7JsCYakc =WFXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
Hi, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: > Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and > libudev1, I get: I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any viable alternatives? Cheers, Nuno ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
2015-01-31 2:35 GMT+01:00 william moss : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > LILO will not boot an UEFI. ELILO will. The switch is automatic, based > on the firmware. I boot wheezy on two HP laptops w/ Lilo. Grub-2 had an > ulcer with the HP UEFI. Do not think it was a grub-2 problem since I > have it working fine elsewhere but an HP problem. and more: * LILO will not boot if you use something else than the MBR, this means: * LILO will not boot if you GPT. * You will not use HDD bigger than 2TB. and: * LILO will not boot if you something else than x86/x86_64, so you will not use lilo on eg ARM. * LILO will not boot if you use RAID. * LILO will not boot if you use BTRFS. * LILO will not boot if you use partition-less schema (raw hdd): https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg00480.html and finally: "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop this nice software further, please let me know ..." http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ Conclusions? If we want to use lilo, then, we need to add this functionality. I like this idea, but this means a lot of work :/ Daniel ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
hi all, as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a design in place for Devuan or perhaps an "beta design" on which to gather reactions. We had many logo submissions as one can see here http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on this list, still leaving the logo option open. If anyone here has some spare time we'd appreciate some help setting up a poll to understand what are the preferred logos by people here. The poll can be set as an independent website, possibly ads and subscription free. We can also use a thread on this list, I'm not sure what's best. The VUAs reserve the right to choose the winner, but really that is just to make sure things won't go terribly wrong in this selection :^) My logo favs: 1- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Spiral_double_3.jpg 2- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png 3- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devaun_logo1.png 4- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_2_atari314.png We will award the logo winner with a prize of 100€ We will award the web design as well with a prize of 100€ We will award the desktop design as well with the prize of 100€ There is only one submission for the web design and no submission yet for the desktop design (XFCE4 based, background, icon set and color set) Invite your designer friends to participate! :^) Submissions are still open. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
dear Jude, On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >Hey everyone, >Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on >some part of systemd?* I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out >systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to duplicate >anyone's efforts. here the current thread on this https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/6 Over the weekend I've assessed the first minimal group of packages, processed them via the new Devuan SDK and committed them on our packages-base git https://git.devuan.org/groups/packages-base If you like to adopt maintainance of a package there, please open an issue and I'll give you write access. The package-base repos will be automatically pulled by our Jenkins, compiled and if succesful put into the Devuan package repository, so all the work can be done here. About systemd extirpation: the real culprit is bsdutils, aka util-linux, that Debian has tied to systemd because of the logger. What a paradox to have 'bsdutils' bound to systemd however... I'm still in an early stage of development and haven't yet completed the SDK with functions to test the installer, however this is my current approach at cleaning up util-linux, touching as less as possible https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/util-linux/commit/a51bce5830336af3c5ec9da6de95af926c1b1609 Once compiled and installed into a Devuan schroot, it allows to remove libsystemd0 and then sysvinit gets installed automatically, without warnings about removing a core component. I'll let the dust settle now and look at Franco's push on the CI. My next steps on the SDK will be update the documentation and work on the installer and livecd baking mechanism. My guess now is that we'll have i386 and amd64 as available architectures for a start and arm will come slightly later. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
On 02/05/15 19:05, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and libudev1, I get: I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any viable alternatives? Cheers, Nuno ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng eudev is used in gentoo and some other projects, like buildroot and crux. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D. Chair of Information Technology D'Youville College Buffalo, NY 14201 (716) 829-8197 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
On 02/08/2015 07:55 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > *** Without-Systemd.org is behind an anti-Tor Cloudflare wall. Please disable it! > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on > this list, still leaving the logo option open. > *** I hate to say it but I judge the quality of a web design with lynx -dump and the "View > Without style" option of Firefox. Appearance is not to be confused with design. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
hi, A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo survey here https://it.surveymonkey.com/s/PJT8T3Q On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, hellekin wrote: > On 02/08/2015 07:55 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > > > *** Without-Systemd.org is behind an anti-Tor Cloudflare wall. Please > disable it! unfortunately this is not up to us. cloudflare is terrible indeed. but spam is also terrible and having run large wikis However, I don't think this is a priority now. I still cannot imagine why someone would want to be strictly anonymous while accessing that. > > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on > > this list, still leaving the logo option open. > > > *** I hate to say it but I judge the quality of a web design with lynx > -dump and the "View > Without style" option of Firefox. Appearance is > not to be confused with design. My desktop usage is also 90% text based and I can see very well this design using both lynx or elinks. I guess it is also quite friendly for those accessing it via speech synthesis, imagining the first links on tops will disappear once its off github. However: more contributions welcome! ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
My vote goes to the last logo from http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The typography is great. On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:55:57 + Jaromil wrote: > > hi all, > > as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a > design in place for Devuan or perhaps an "beta design" on which to > gather reactions. > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on > this list, still leaving the logo option open. > > If anyone here has some spare time we'd appreciate some help setting up > a poll to understand what are the preferred logos by people here. The > poll can be set as an independent website, possibly ads and subscription > free. We can also use a thread on this list, I'm not sure what's best. > > The VUAs reserve the right to choose the winner, but really that is just > to make sure things won't go terribly wrong in this selection :^) > > My logo favs: > 1- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Spiral_double_3.jpg > 2- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png > 3- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devaun_logo1.png > 4- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_2_atari314.png > > We will award the logo winner with a prize of 100€ > > We will award the web design as well with a prize of 100€ > > We will award the desktop design as well with the prize of 100€ > > There is only one submission for the web design and no submission yet > for the desktop design (XFCE4 based, background, icon set and color set) > > Invite your designer friends to participate! :^) > Submissions are still open. > > ciao > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > -- Dima Krasner, dimakrasner.com pgpD7a7QA_elv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
I also like the last logo the best. It's not on the survey, however. -Jude On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: > My vote goes to the last logo from > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). > The typography is great. > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:55:57 + > Jaromil wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > > > as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a > > design in place for Devuan or perhaps an "beta design" on which to > > gather reactions. > > > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > > > > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on > > this list, still leaving the logo option open. > > > > If anyone here has some spare time we'd appreciate some help setting up > > a poll to understand what are the preferred logos by people here. The > > poll can be set as an independent website, possibly ads and subscription > > free. We can also use a thread on this list, I'm not sure what's best. > > > > The VUAs reserve the right to choose the winner, but really that is just > > to make sure things won't go terribly wrong in this selection :^) > > > > My logo favs: > > 1- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Spiral_double_3.jpg > > 2- > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png > > 3- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devaun_logo1.png > > 4- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_2_atari314.png > > > > We will award the logo winner with a prize of 100 EURO > > > > We will award the web design as well with a prize of 100 EURO > > > > We will award the desktop design as well with the prize of 100 EURO > > > > There is only one submission for the web design and no submission yet > > for the desktop design (XFCE4 based, background, icon set and color set) > > > > Invite your designer friends to participate! :^) > > Submissions are still open. > > > > ciao > > > > -- > > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > > > > -- > Dima Krasner, dimakrasner.com > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
Ola! _Vote_: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and meaningul users list. _Contest_: Bit of a rushed and short-sighted process IMO. 1. You'll be living with it for years. Don't go for a one-shot logo. Go for long term guidelines and establish a strong identity. The logo will come naturally. 2. Competition Sucks, Collaboration Matters. Beauty contests are exactly the inverse of that idea. Why not "Do It Together"? Works for code and everything else. Hence, I'd like designers who feel the same to regroup. No management, just talking about who's on what with the restriction of providing open source assets (ex: icons, research, etc.) in a repository, all under Creative Commons, reusable by others. Regarding money, if "collaborative" proposals win, why not give it to EFF || Gnu || whatever non profit? In the end, we'd get both the collaboration and the voting (which I recognize as a fast, clear decision provider) Go go go ? _Design_: regarding hellekin's point on web design, well it was a bit of a rushed job. Accessibility MUST be considered but I didn't have the time. Cheers a:& [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Poll_extensions Le 08/02/2015 11:55, Jaromil a écrit : > hi all, > > as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a > design in place for Devuan or perhaps an "beta design" on which to > gather reactions. > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/ well inspired by discussions on > this list, still leaving the logo option open. > > If anyone here has some spare time we'd appreciate some help setting up > a poll to understand what are the preferred logos by people here. The > poll can be set as an independent website, possibly ads and subscription > free. We can also use a thread on this list, I'm not sure what's best. > > The VUAs reserve the right to choose the winner, but really that is just > to make sure things won't go terribly wrong in this selection :^) > > My logo favs: > 1- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Spiral_double_3.jpg > 2- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png > 3- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devaun_logo1.png > 4- http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_2_atari314.png > > We will award the logo winner with a prize of 100€ > > We will award the web design as well with a prize of 100€ > > We will award the desktop design as well with the prize of 100€ > > There is only one submission for the web design and no submission yet > for the desktop design (XFCE4 based, background, icon set and color set) > > Invite your designer friends to participate! :^) > Submissions are still open. > > ciao > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
On 02/08/2015 03:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: > My vote goes to the last logo from > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The > typography is great. > *** I like the idea of the spiral inside the D as well. It's vastly superior to every other proposal IMO. What font is it? I'd like to see more versions (and SVG files) of this idea. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
On Sun, 2015-02-08 at 18:03 +, Jaromil wrote: > hi, > > A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo survey here > https://it.surveymonkey.com/s/PJT8T3Q > I don't know if I managed to vote: Got this (and I don't speak Italian Grazie per aver partecipato all'indagine. Ora puoi creare la tua indagine: è gratuito, veloce e facile. * Crea indagini gratis in pochi minuti * Puoi porre le domande in formati diversi: scelta in un elenco, inserimento testo e altro * Ottieni le risposte a qualsiasi tipo di domanda ISCRIVITI A SURVEYMONKEY OGGI STESSO Registrati GRATIS ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
Hey Jaromil, I'm interested in maintaining dbus, but I don't quite understand the proposed workflow for base packages. It sounds Jenkins will pull the sources nightly from Debian (not upstream) and try to build Debian packages from them, but with the Devuan versioning scheme. If so, is there a standard way to ensure that the correct build flags get set (i.e. to disable systemd support and remove systemd dependencies)? Is this what the Devuan SDK is meant to address in a systematic fashion? Also, it sounds like being a maintainer for a Devuan package that depends on systemd will be a somewhat different job than maintaining non-systemd-dependent packages. If the package stops building due to an added hard-dependency on systemd, the maintainer might be forced to revert to an old version of the package permanently, keep an increasingly large patch set to keep systemd dependencies out, or fork the package outright. This situation sounds a lot like the situation that BSD porters find themselves in, but on a smaller scale since unlike Devuan maintainers, BSD porters must compile out all Linux-specific features. I almost wonder if Devuan maintainers should reach out to them and share code and issues--I suspect the tasks before us all will be very similar, and forming a good working relationship with them (and with other non-systemd Linux distros) could be mutually beneficial. Just my 2 cents. Regards, -Jude On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Jaromil wrote: > dear Jude, > > On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: > > >Hey everyone, > >Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend > on > >some part of systemd?* I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling > out > >systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to > duplicate > >anyone's efforts. > > here the current thread on this > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/6 > > Over the weekend I've assessed the first minimal group of packages, > processed them via the new Devuan SDK and committed them on our > packages-base git https://git.devuan.org/groups/packages-base > If you like to adopt maintainance of a package there, please open an > issue and I'll give you write access. The package-base repos will be > automatically pulled by our Jenkins, compiled and if succesful put into > the Devuan package repository, so all the work can be done here. > > About systemd extirpation: the real culprit is bsdutils, aka util-linux, > that Debian has tied to systemd because of the logger. What a paradox to > have 'bsdutils' bound to systemd however... > > I'm still in an early stage of development and haven't yet completed the > SDK with functions to test the installer, however this is my current > approach at cleaning up util-linux, touching as less as possible > > https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/util-linux/commit/a51bce5830336af3c5ec9da6de95af926c1b1609 > > Once compiled and installed into a Devuan schroot, it allows to remove > libsystemd0 and then sysvinit gets installed automatically, without > warnings about removing a core component. > > I'll let the dust settle now and look at Franco's push on the CI. > My next steps on the SDK will be update the documentation and work on > the installer and livecd baking mechanism. > > My guess now is that we'll have i386 and amd64 as available > architectures for a start and arm will come slightly later. > > ciao > > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
If Google Translate has any accuracy, it means your vote was registered (it's the usual Survey Monkey message, but in Italian). -Jude 2015-02-08 13:38 GMT-05:00 Svante Signell : > On Sun, 2015-02-08 at 18:03 +, Jaromil wrote: > > hi, > > > > A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo survey here > > https://it.surveymonkey.com/s/PJT8T3Q > > > I don't know if I managed to vote: Got this (and I don't speak Italian > Grazie per aver partecipato all'indagine. > Ora puoi creare la tua indagine: è gratuito, veloce e facile. > * Crea indagini gratis in pochi minuti > * Puoi porre le domande in formati diversi: scelta in un elenco, > inserimento testo e altro > * Ottieni le risposte a qualsiasi tipo di domanda > ISCRIVITI A SURVEYMONKEY OGGI STESSO > Registrati GRATIS > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
Ola! You'll find all inkscape sources and more (typo, images) on https://github.com/albancrommer/devuan The typo _is_ indeed a beauty. It's Fira Sans, commissioned by mozilla, free, available for a lot of languages, with variants from UltraLight to UltraBold. In other words, what a project like Devuan needs. For more details, see my first proposal : https://github.com/albancrommer/devuan/blob/master/Logo_2ndpass.pdf?raw=true :a! Le 08/02/2015 19:36, hellekin a écrit : > On 02/08/2015 03:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: >> My vote goes to the last logo from >> http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The >> typography is great. >> > *** I like the idea of the spiral inside the D as well. It's vastly > superior to every other proposal IMO. What font is it? > > I'd like to see more versions (and SVG files) of this idea. > > == > hk > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Alban Crommer wrote: >Ola! > >Vote: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd >wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and >meaningul users list. >[1] [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Poll_extensions not sure who is maintaining the without-systemd wiki, lets ask around. however surveymonkey seems allright just the acclaimed D logo is missing. >Contest: Bit of a rushed and short-sighted process IMO. yea, its mostly to have a sense of what people like >1. You'll be living with it for years. Don't go for a one-shot >logo. Go for long term guidelines and establish a strong identity. >The logo will come naturally. up to you then really, I'm very fine with having you in charge of the design and other VUAs too. >2. Competition Sucks, Collaboration Matters. Beauty contests are >exactly the inverse of that idea. Why not "Do It Together"? Works >for code and everything else. > >Hence, I'd like designers who feel the same to regroup. this is a very good attitude and you are right. If there is need for a wiki, git repo and mailinglist for designers I'd be happy to make you admin of a gitlab group, from there you'll be able to create more users. the mailinglist can come slightly later once we are ready with the listservers, however it seems that via gitlab issues and wiki a good workflow can be established. >No management, just talking about who's on what with the >restriction of providing open source assets (ex: icons, research, >etc.) in a repository, all under Creative Commons, reusable by >others. agree. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > From: Daniel Cegiełka > To: bill.m.m...@gmail.com > CC: Dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Today 04:01:42 AM > > > "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some > limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop > this nice software further, please let me know ..." > > http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ > > Conclusions? If we want to use lilo, then, we need to add this > functionality. I like this idea, but this means a lot of work :/ > > Daniel With the greatest respect intended toward your situation, Daniel, LILO is something that should have been retired a long time ago. GRUB is by far the better maintained boot-loader. If you are still using LILO on old machines (pre-2008) or machines with questionable EFI compatibility, I'd recommend grub-legacy instead. Everyone else that actually has a decent UEFI firmware should be using GRUB2 by now. The newer versions of Windows will not dual boot into UEFI mode without UEFI support in the loader. Even if you hate Windows intensely, and never use it, you should be using GPT rather than MBR. GPT not only offers support for partitions/drives larger than 2 TB, it also has better redundancy than MBR. If the MBR area (first sectors) of a drive is physically unreadable, then the entire disk might (not always) be rendered unusable . GPT keeps a copy of the partition table at the beginning of the drive and a backup at the end of the disk, greatly increasing your chances of recovery should the first sectors of the drive fail. T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene : > On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: >> From: Daniel Cegiełka >> To: bill.m.m...@gmail.com >> CC: Dng@lists.dyne.org >> Date: Today 04:01:42 AM >> > >> >> "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some >> limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop >> this nice software further, please let me know ..." >> >> http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ >> >> Conclusions? If we want to use lilo, then, we need to add this >> functionality. I like this idea, but this means a lot of work :/ >> >> Daniel > With the greatest respect intended toward your situation, Daniel, LILO is > something that should have been retired a long time ago. GRUB is by far the > better maintained boot-loader. > > If you are still using LILO on old machines (pre-2008) or machines with > questionable EFI compatibility, I'd recommend grub-legacy instead. Everyone > else that actually has a decent UEFI firmware should be using GRUB2 by now. > > The newer versions of Windows will not dual boot into UEFI mode without UEFI > support in the loader. Even if you hate Windows intensely, and never use it, > you should be using GPT rather than MBR. GPT not only offers support for > partitions/drives larger than 2 TB, it also has better redundancy than MBR. > If the MBR area (first sectors) of a drive is physically unreadable, then the > entire disk might (not always) be rendered unusable . GPT keeps a copy of the > partition table at the beginning of the drive and a backup at the end of the > disk, greatly increasing your chances of recovery should the first sectors of > the drive fail. This is my posting: https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg00480.html I use linux even without partition... with Grub 2 :) In this thread you can note that the Grub 2 does not have too many fans. In my opinion, the best choice is extlinux... but we discuss the same topic in two threads. Daniel > T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
I would vote for http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png but I would change the direction of the spirals, now they are in the opposite direction to text, creating some dissonance. I think it's better to avoid any resemblance to debian logo, for obvious reasons. And we should first vote for ideas, not implementations, so that in the second stage everyone could draw own version of the winning idea. 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00, Jaromil : > On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Alban Crommer wrote: > >>Ola! >> >>Vote: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd >>wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and >>meaningul users list. >>[1] [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Poll_extensions > > not sure who is maintaining the without-systemd wiki, > lets ask around. however surveymonkey seems allright > just the acclaimed D logo is missing. > >>Contest: Bit of a rushed and short-sighted process IMO. > > yea, its mostly to have a sense of what people like > >>1. You'll be living with it for years. Don't go for a one-shot >>logo. Go for long term guidelines and establish a strong identity. >>The logo will come naturally. > > up to you then really, I'm very fine with having you in charge of the > design and other VUAs too. > >>2. Competition Sucks, Collaboration Matters. Beauty contests are >>exactly the inverse of that idea. Why not "Do It Together"? Works >>for code and everything else. >> >>Hence, I'd like designers who feel the same to regroup. > > this is a very good attitude and you are right. > > If there is need for a wiki, git repo and mailinglist for designers I'd > be happy to make you admin of a gitlab group, from there you'll be able > to create more users. the mailinglist can come slightly later once we > are ready with the listservers, however it seems that via gitlab issues > and wiki a good workflow can be established. > >>No management, just talking about who's on what with the >>restriction of providing open source assets (ex: icons, research, >>etc.) in a repository, all under Creative Commons, reusable by >>others. > > agree. > > ciao > > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene : >> On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: >>> From: Daniel Cegiełka >>> To: bill.m.m...@gmail.com >>> CC: Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> Date: Today 04:01:42 AM >>> >> >>> >>> "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some >>> limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop >>> this nice software further, please let me know ..." >>> >>> http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ >>> >>> Conclusions? If we want to use lilo, then, we need to add this >>> functionality. I like this idea, but this means a lot of work :/ >>> >>> Daniel >> With the greatest respect intended toward your situation, Daniel, LILO is >> something that should have been retired a long time ago. GRUB is by far the >> better maintained boot-loader. >> >> If you are still using LILO on old machines (pre-2008) or machines with >> questionable EFI compatibility, I'd recommend grub-legacy instead. Everyone >> else that actually has a decent UEFI firmware should be using GRUB2 by now. >> >> The newer versions of Windows will not dual boot into UEFI mode without UEFI >> support in the loader. Even if you hate Windows intensely, and never use it, >> you should be using GPT rather than MBR. GPT not only offers support for >> partitions/drives larger than 2 TB, it also has better redundancy than MBR. >> If the MBR area (first sectors) of a drive is physically unreadable, then the >> entire disk might (not always) be rendered unusable . GPT keeps a copy of >> the >> partition table at the beginning of the drive and a backup at the end of the >> disk, greatly increasing your chances of recovery should the first sectors of >> the drive fail. > > This is my posting: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg00480.html > > I use linux even without partition... with Grub 2 :) In this thread > you can note that the Grub 2 does not have too many fans. In my > opinion, the best choice is extlinux... but we discuss the same topic > in two threads. > > Daniel > > >> T.J. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:56:37 -0500 Gravis wrote: > I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked > which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. > > -- Gravis It certainly works if the package manager manages it, but I've found it next to impossible to DIY Grub2 into things as simple as not doing framebuffers, or changing the font, and as far as adding a menu item for something like an Epoch or runit init, fageddabaddit! >From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
> And we should first vote for ideas, not implementations, so that in > the second stage everyone could draw own version of the winning idea. I agree, which is why the various uploaded logos should be considered concepts rather than final products. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:52 PM, P. T. Zoltowski wrote: > I would vote for > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png > but I would change the direction of the spirals, now they are in the > opposite direction to text, creating some dissonance. > I think it's better to avoid any resemblance to debian logo, for > obvious reasons. > And we should first vote for ideas, not implementations, so that in > the second stage everyone could draw own version of the winning idea. > > 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00, Jaromil : >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Alban Crommer wrote: >> >>>Ola! >>> >>>Vote: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd >>>wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and >>>meaningul users list. >>>[1] [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Poll_extensions >> >> not sure who is maintaining the without-systemd wiki, >> lets ask around. however surveymonkey seems allright >> just the acclaimed D logo is missing. >> >>>Contest: Bit of a rushed and short-sighted process IMO. >> >> yea, its mostly to have a sense of what people like >> >>>1. You'll be living with it for years. Don't go for a one-shot >>>logo. Go for long term guidelines and establish a strong identity. >>>The logo will come naturally. >> >> up to you then really, I'm very fine with having you in charge of the >> design and other VUAs too. >> >>>2. Competition Sucks, Collaboration Matters. Beauty contests are >>>exactly the inverse of that idea. Why not "Do It Together"? Works >>>for code and everything else. >>> >>>Hence, I'd like designers who feel the same to regroup. >> >> this is a very good attitude and you are right. >> >> If there is need for a wiki, git repo and mailinglist for designers I'd >> be happy to make you admin of a gitlab group, from there you'll be able >> to create more users. the mailinglist can come slightly later once we >> are ready with the listservers, however it seems that via gitlab issues >> and wiki a good workflow can be established. >> >>>No management, just talking about who's on what with the >>>restriction of providing open source assets (ex: icons, research, >>>etc.) in a repository, all under Creative Commons, reusable by >>>others. >> >> agree. >> >> ciao >> >> >> -- >> Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) >> We are free to share code and we code to share freedom >> Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf >> GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 >> Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil >> >> > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
> From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of boatloaders"? --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:56:37 -0500 > Gravis wrote: > >> I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked >> which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. >> >> -- Gravis > > It certainly works if the package manager manages it, but I've found it > next to impossible to DIY Grub2 into things as simple as not doing > framebuffers, or changing the font, and as far as adding a menu item > for something like an Epoch or runit init, fageddabaddit! > > From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
> I use linux even without partition... with Grub 2 :) In this thread > you can note that the Grub 2 does not have too many fans. In my > opinion, the best choice is extlinux... but we discuss the same topic > in two threads. > Apologies. I get the list in digest format, and clearly missed that. Reading the single post, it appeared as if you were discussing the maintenance of LILO. I don't think that Devuan should bother maintaining LILO, it's ancient and missing too much critical functionality. The developer resources can be better spent somewhere else. As much as I am an advocate for having a choice, there comes a time when the cost/benefit is questionable. I personally believe that LILO is past that point. Best Regards T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:47:42 -0500 Gravis wrote: > > From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. > > grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies > and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of > boatloaders"? > > --Gravis You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that way, and it doesn't work. OK, I withdraw my "systemd of bootloaders" comment because that gives support to systemd. I'll just say Grub2 is a mixed up albatross, most of whose complications are caused by a slavish fawning to those who want to have the aesthetics of booting be "just so". Personally, I see absolutely no use for splash screens or "quiet". Especially if all that jazz causes more difficult configuration, and especially a plethora of config files which must be compiled into one. Which is why I'll be using either LILO or syslinux, with a <2GB drive as root, whenever I build a desktop, or whenever a laptop goes out of warranty so I can deep six its Windows. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >I'm interested in maintaining dbus, that's good news! >but I don't quite understand the >proposed workflow for base packages.* I'm doing my best to detail it here https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-sdk/blob/master/README.md the local Build part also works, but is not yet documented. However the sequence is: build-deps name-of-staged-package build-sync build-start build-finish build-sign and signed packages are then found in the sdk subdir builds/ there is also a very simple way to serve packages in builds/ over local http to test them on the same machine or on the LAN. next step will be the baking mechanism to prepare install isos. >It sounds Jenkins will pull the sources nightly from Debian (not >upstream) typo? will pull them from Devuan's gitlab >and try to build Debian packages from them, but with the Devuan >versioning scheme.* will simply try to build them. the versioning is changed in git. >If so, is there a standard way to ensure that the correct build >flags get set (i.e. to disable systemd support and remove systemd >dependencies)?* yes: this is done in the git repository and the SDK facilitates testing >Is this what the Devuan SDK is meant to address in a systematic >fashion? yes. it also handles the import from Debian (checking signature and hashes) and if a source of older version is already imported automatically creates a new git branch for the new version, allowing maintainers to examine the difference and merge by hand. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
> I withdraw my "systemd of bootloaders" comment good because it doesn't fit the situation at all. > You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to > put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that > way, and it doesn't work. if it's not working then either documentation is flawed or you are doing something wrong. my money is on the latter. sure configuring it may be a mess but it works (otherwise it wouldn't be ubiquitous) and you also have the option of using a GUI to simplify the process. > Personally, I see absolutely no use for splash screens or "quiet". what i'm reading here is, "it's not MY preference and I'm important." --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:47:42 -0500 > Gravis wrote: > >> > From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. >> >> grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies >> and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of >> boatloaders"? >> >> --Gravis > > You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to > put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that > way, and it doesn't work. > > OK, I withdraw my "systemd of bootloaders" comment because that gives > support to systemd. I'll just say Grub2 is a mixed up albatross, most > of whose complications are caused by a slavish fawning to those who > want to have the aesthetics of booting be "just so". > > Personally, I see absolutely no use for splash screens or "quiet". > Especially if all that jazz causes more difficult configuration, and > especially a plethora of config files which must be compiled into one. > > Which is why I'll be using either LILO or syslinux, with a <2GB drive > as root, whenever I build a desktop, or whenever a laptop goes out of > warranty so I can deep six its Windows. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Gravis wrote: > sure configuring it may be a mess but it works I haven't looked deeply into it, but I also feel annoyed by the overcomplication of grub2 compared to its predecessor. now am I wrong to think that most of the cruft on its configuration is added by the current way Debian handles it? I'm not really sure how to read files like /etc/grub.d/10_linux and I wonder if the *plain* grub2 syntax would be much simplier than that. ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
> On February 8, 2015 at 8:06 PM Gravis wrote: > > You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to > > put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that > > way, and it doesn't work. > > if it's not working then either documentation is flawed or you are > doing something wrong. my money is on the latter. sure configuring > it may be a mess but it works (otherwise it wouldn't be ubiquitous) > and you also have the option of using a GUI to simplify the process. My own unhappy experience with GRUB 2 happened when I did a distribution upgrade which rendered my system unbootable. I had to become a GRUB "expert" to find out what I could type at the GRUB command line to even start to diagnose what was wrong. After a lot of gnashing of teeth, I found out that my MD0 and MD1 raid configuration was being enumerated by GRUB as MD127 and MD126. But I still didn't know how to fix it. Unfortunately, the upgrade was mandatory to fix a fatal flaw in the version of ecryptfs in the previous version which had destroyed some of my files. I switched to a different distro to get around this. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] LILO
On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 01:45:43 + Jaromil wrote: > now am I wrong to think that most of the cruft on its configuration is > added by the current way Debian handles it? I'm on Gentoo. I am supposed to have grub 2 installed. But, I can send information on how things are set up here. I do have a Debian machine nearby, which I believe also has Grub installed, but I am not sure if it is Grub2 or Grub Legacy. Gord ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 11:08:24AM +, Jaromil wrote: > here the current thread on this > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/6 > > Over the weekend I've assessed the first minimal group of packages, > processed them via the new Devuan SDK and committed them on our > packages-base git https://git.devuan.org/groups/packages-base > If you like to adopt maintainance of a package there, please open an > issue and I'll give you write access. The package-base repos will be > automatically pulled by our Jenkins, compiled and if succesful put into > the Devuan package repository, so all the work can be done here. > > About systemd extirpation: the real culprit is bsdutils, aka util-linux, > that Debian has tied to systemd because of the logger. What a paradox to > have 'bsdutils' bound to systemd however... > > I'm still in an early stage of development and haven't yet completed the > SDK with functions to test the installer, however this is my current > approach at cleaning up util-linux, touching as less as possible > https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/util-linux/commit/a51bce5830336af3c5ec9da6de95af926c1b1609 > > Once compiled and installed into a Devuan schroot, it allows to remove > libsystemd0 and then sysvinit gets installed automatically, without > warnings about removing a core component. My approach was slightly more minimal; the sample services can stay without a dependency. I've been running Debian with the patched bsdutils for a while, no problems and no systemd. (After holding udev, nothing else wants systemd.) > I'll let the dust settle now and look at Franco's push on the CI. > My next steps on the SDK will be update the documentation and work on > the installer and livecd baking mechanism. > > My guess now is that we'll have i386 and amd64 as available > architectures for a start and arm will come slightly later. Will mipsel come up sometime? I ask because ImgTech's Creator CI20 (dual-core JZ4780 mipsel32) ships with Debian Wheezy...and I've been thinking about getting one. ... As soon as you start populating the i386 repository, I'm ready to switch. If the packages build at all like they should, it will work; and if not, I've recovered this partition before from worse. ;-) Another package that our discussions seem to point at a reason for forking is busybox. Debian ships busybox with mdev and docs showing how to configure it, but there's no mdev package. I'm thinking there could be a package that installs /etc/init.d/mdev, /etc/mdev.conf, and the needed /sbin/mdev=>../bin/busybox symlink. Also, packages for busybox init and the bsdutils equivalents would be nice... I'm not sure how to handle the fact that busybox inittab is incompatible with sysvinit besides a conflict; yes, we could install them as alternatives, but then /sbin/init must be in sync with /etc/inittab. (I'd be willing to maintain busybox, if those changes are acceptable. I'm not sure I qualify to maintain anything, though--I live in Northern California, have never met anyone on the web of trust, and it's a pretty long trip to get to the Bay Area...the only thing I can point at is what I've put on github.) Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
