FSFE starts sale of older T-shirts
Dear friends of Free Software! We have just started to sell some T-shirt remnants for a reduced price of 10 Euro. So if you are interested in making a bargain while at the same time helping us to tidy up our merchandise stock, just have a look at https://fsfe.org/order/order.html and watch out for the red numbers. Have fun shopping :-) Regards, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Implementing a code of conduct?
Hi, Mauricio! Am 2016-11-03 um 16:08 schrieb Mauricio Nascimento: > How many times in the history of FSFE someone behave badly enough to > make the others feeling uncomfortable or distressed? Unfortunately it happens, and I have personally witnessed more occaisions of this than I would have wished. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Implementing a code of conduct?
Dear Theo, Am 2016-11-04 um 09:29 schrieb Theo Schmidt: > (who it appears is still a Fellow in spite of being in arrears with > payments because not having been formally excluded - have I got this right?) currently "Fellow" is the word we use for people who support us with a regular financial contribution. It's nothing where you are formally included or excluded. However, if you are, strictly speaking, not a Fellow right now, you may still be an active and valued member of the local FSFE group in Zürich, for instance. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: accounting software used by FSFE and other associations
Hi, Daniel! Am 2017-05-18 um 16:25 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Which accounting software is currently used by FSFE? FSFE currently uses plain CSV files which are to a very large extent automatically filled from various sources like electronic bank account statements, reports from our credit card payment provider, and so on. All of that is very individually tailored to FSFE's needs. At the end of the year, our tax consultant distills the legally required reports from these CSV files. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: accounting software used by FSFE and other associations
Hi, Daniel! Am 2017-05-18 um 16:42 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Has FSFE developed any scripts that are used for: > > - fetching data from public sites (like the bank) We use aqbanking-cli for fetching data from the bank. All other sources are manual download from their web interfaces. > - transforming/normalizing the data That's very specialized scripts that consist mostly of attempts to interpret the transaction text, like: if transaction text begins with "FC" then transaction type = "fellowship contribution" elsif transaction text beings with "MP" then transaction type = "merchandise purchase" > - producing the reports (e.g. balance sheet) from time to time? We do this in LibreOffice using the function "data pilot". > and could they be shared? All of the scripts used are so completely specific to FSFE's kinds of transactions and internal numbering schemes we have that they can hardly be reused by anybody. Still, if someone is interested just to learn from it and see how we do things, just let me know. > Are there any other free software tools used in the process, e.g. the > Firefox plugin ExportToCSV[2]? No, all we use is aqbanking-cli, LibreOffice, and these specialized Python scripts. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: anybody going to TÜBIX (Tübingen statt), near Stuttgart?
Hi, Daniel! Am 2017-05-30 um 08:52 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Is anybody going to TÜBIX on 24 June? At least there will be no FSFE booth, since all three people who would have been willing to organise it just have other engagements on that day :-( Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?
Hi, Am 2017-07-24 um 14:14 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Why don't we go through all the messages in this thread and replace the > words "social media" with "mass surveillance"? an interesting point. Should FSFE, for example, refuse to present itself at locations where surveillance cameras are present? Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: FSFE financial transparency
Hi, Am 2017-08-14 um 12:00 schrieb Jonas Oberg: >> As fellowship representative, I'm keen to see how the top donors relate >> to the fellowship contributions: which group is donating more, or is it >> equal for example? > > That's information I don't have easily, but you can ask Reinhard or Ulrike > about this once they're back from vacation. The 5 donors listed as "Gold Donors" on the web page https://fsfe.org/donate/thankgnus-2016.en.html donated a total of 154.691,80 in that year, that's significantly less than the donations we received through the Fellowship. The Fellowship is the main pillar of FSFE's finances, it was like that from the start and now is it more than ever. >> Could you provide a better breakdown of "Paid services"? > > Again, I would need to defer to Reinhard and Ulrike. I could probably find > some information by digging into the actual accounting files, but it would > be much easier for Reinhard to provide an indication of this when he's back. Most of this is ticket sales for the European Legal and Licensing Workshop organised by FSFE. Apart from that, we subrent a part of the office space to another organisation from the Free Software field, and a (very small) share of that items is speaker fees we get. HTH, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Officer * Free Software Foundation Europe * signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Apply for membership - or meet us at FOSDEM :-)
Hi, all! Am 2018-01-31 um 23:39 schrieb Cornelia S.: > All you need an e-mail to m...@fsfe.org and say that > you apply. Daniel has already supplied a pointer to the web page giving some background information about the GA, its role in FSFE, and the expectations held towards its members. There are plans to improve that page in the near future, so the call to apply for membership right now comes a little premature, but yes, membership in the GA (the group that forms the legal backbone of FSFE) always was and is open to everybody with a strong and long-term commitment and involvement in FSFE. > I wil apply after FOSDEM. Talking about FOSDEM - FSFE as usual has a booth there, and as usual, you are invited to stop by, say hello, buy a T-shirt, talk with us, and find out which of the countless options to get involved in FSFE's work suits you best :-) Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: [GA] who is a member?
Am 02. Februar 2018 17:12:10 MEZ schrieb Daniel Pocock : > - after clicking the "Join" buttons on the FSFE web site and filling > out > a form with the heading "Join the FSFE" and making a payment to the > association, people felt they had become a "member" of FSFE e.V. Today we had a poster near our FOSDEM booth saying "Join us at the Funky Monkey", and indeed a nice bunch of people met in that pub. I didn't have the impression that any of them felt having become a formal member of the legal association by following the invitation to join. Thanks, Reinhard ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM
Hi, Am 2018-02-05 um 14:58 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > - the German laws for non-profits (this was mentioned on another list) > allow donors to specify that their donation or ongoing contributions be > used for capital purposes. So any fellow/supporter can write an email > to cont...@fsfe.org and declare that all or a percentage of their > donations are for investment / capital reserves and that money can't be > spent on operating expenses or campaigns. you misunderstood this: A donor can indicate that her donation *may* be used to build up a capital reserve, and unless she does so, the donation has to be used "immediately" (which in generally accepted interpretation of the law translates to "not later than in the fiscal year following the donation) for constitutional purposes. A donor can not *require* a donation to be held as a capital reserve, and it would be unlogical if this was possible, because it would mean that the recipient of the donation does not have the power of disposal over the donated amount. In practice, asking for donations for building up a capital reserve is done in specific cases, for example to accumulate the required capital for a larger investment (think of a football club wanting to renovate the sports stadium in 5 years). I hope this makes it clearer. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: the questions you really want FSFE to answer
Hi, all! Just to avoid misunderstandings: Am 2018-06-14 um 21:33 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > As the last[1] man standing for democracy in FSFE,[...] > > 1. https://fsfe.org/news/2018/news-20180526-01.en.html This statement could create the impression that Daniel Pocock was the one vote against the simplification of the membership procedure. However, this is not the case. Daniel Pocock did not participate in this vote, nor did he participate in the General Assembly altogether (neither personally nor by delegation). Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: the questions you really want FSFE to answer
Hi, Am 2018-06-14 um 22:36 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > To make it clear, FSFE has a community with hundreds of long time > supporters/fellows/volunteers who have contributed time and money > regularly over many years but have: > > - no right to petition for a general meeting > > - no right to propose a motion in a general meeting > > - no right to run for president yes, that's exactly the point. We all (except for you, obviously) agreed that it is not fair that these rights should only be given to only one of them per year, not even (or: even less) if the others may vote upon who that would be. Everybody who actively participates in FSFE's work does not only have the possibility to take influence in exactly that field of activity, they even unaviodably execute that influence by contributing to that activity. If you don't believe it, try to actually participate in FSFE's activities, and you'll see! :-) And on top of that, we think that people active within FSFE and interested in contributing to the long-term vision and strategy of the organisation should be able to join that group without going through a "there can only be one" kind of competition against fellow activists. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Public Money Public Code: a good policy for FSFE and other non-profits?
Hi, Carsten! Am 2018-06-14 um 12:06 schrieb Carsten Agger: > I'd limit the scope as such: > > * We're talking of the software used by *the association* as part of its > *operations*, i.e. not about the personal choices of employees or > volunteers in their spare time. > > * We're talking about software used by the organization in its *own* > operations - not that of vendors and other third parties (e.g., > designers and accountants - if the designer prefers to use Gimp for > images that's fine, but they *are* a third party) > > * We're talking about *tools*, i.e. mostly userspace software. We should > include proprietary JavaScript - so using Twitter or Google is not > "using proprietary software" because the service is proprietary, but > because they use non-free JavaScript (I mention this to align with the > FSF's position). Anything proprietary installed on staff computers for > work purposes would be listed, e.g. Skype, if someone were using that > (which I have reasons to believe is not the case) > > * We're not talking about firmware. That sounds like a reasonable scope to me, except for JavaScript, which I would regard debatable. And if I am not mistaken, apart from JavaScript, FSFE does not use any proprietary software within this scope. Actually I'm not even sure about JavaScript, since the services you mention might also run with JavaScript turned off. No proprietary software runs on any of FSFE's servers in userspace, and of course all software developed by FSFE staff or by contractors paid by FSFE is free software. Anything further doesn't seem very reasonable to me: I would, for example, not want our volunteers to spend their time with documenting which web pages they visited where JavaScript was required. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Public Money Public Code: a good policy for FSFE and other non-profits?
Am 2018-06-15 um 12:12 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> No proprietary software runs on any of FSFE's servers in userspace, and >> of course all software developed by FSFE staff or by contractors paid by >> FSFE is free software. >> > So what is Jonas referring to in his blog[1]? I don't know whether he refers to a specific case at all. I read his blog post as a general consideration, and I can't find any mention of FSFE in there. If you want to know what he refers to, did you consider asking him? I hope you don't want to tell us that this blog post is the foundation on which you base your complains that FSFE uses proprieatary software?? Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: transparency about the fellowship
Dear all, Am 2018-07-09 um 20:57 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > A single fellow also made a bequest of EUR 150,000 to FSFE and they were > not identified publicly. Correction: We recieved a large sum out of an inheritance where the deceased explicitly wished to remain anonymous. We never claimed that this person was a Fellow, and to keep anonymity of the person intact, I will also not make any statement about whether or not the deceased was a Fellow. > Every corporate donor who contributes over 10% > is named publicly. Does anybody feel that the same transparency > principle should apply in cases such as bequests? We clarified this with "Initiative Transparente Zivilgesellschaft" whose rules we follow regarding transparency, and they confirmed that it is ok to follow the deceased's wish for anonymity. Personally, I do not see a large risk of the deceased person trying to influence FSFE's policy in future. > The dissemination of the fellowship statistics on the team mailing list > stopped shortly after the extraordinary general assembly. Huh? There hasn't been any change in this. The statistics is still sent each Sunday on 4:00 by a cron job. For others reading here: the statistics shows the number of supporters by country and the development over the past months and years. It is sent to the "core team" mailing list so that people coordinating an activity can get feedback about the development of supporter numbers. > I notice that > the fellowship numbers had been increasing last year but in the last few > months it has been decreasing. Personally, I suspect that two factors > may be responsible: > > [...] Maybe it's the discussion currently happening on some public mailing lists which create the impression that FSFE is mainly busy with its own internals rather than doing actual work. It is unfortunate that such an impression comes up, because it does not match reality. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: transparency about the fellowship
Am 2018-07-09 um 21:59 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Would FSFE be willing to allow the elected fellowship representative to > know the facts about this person and see their written intentions? No. It was that person's last will to remain anonymous. The name is known to those who absolutely needed to know in order to process the formalities and to nobody else. As you might have noticed, I estimate privacy of our supporters and volunteers as an important value anyway, but this is about a last will. I will not even discuss this further. >>> The dissemination of the fellowship statistics on the team mailing list >>> stopped shortly after the extraordinary general assembly. >> >> Huh? There hasn't been any change in this. The statistics is still sent >> each Sunday on 4:00 by a cron job. > > Last email I saw was on 10 June, if it is a technical issue please let > me know Next time it might be a good idea to check for technical issues or at least ask internally before making such a claim on a public discussion list. I hope you understand that this mailing list is not the right place to discuss technical email issues. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Merchandise production (was: Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)
Dear Daniel, after reading your email twice, I still can't make any sense of it, unless it's just a rant by intention. Especially I can read neither an application for membership from it, nor a resignation. Anyway, I'll focus on the one item that falls in my responsibility as the former financial officer: Am 2018-08-27 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > People are asking how FSFE e.V. can raise[5] almost EUR 650,000 in one > year and spend barely EUR 37,000 on producing merchandise. I don't understand what exactly the question is: why FSFE didn't spend more on producing merchandise? Or why FSFE didn't spend less? Or what kind of merchandise we spent it on? Could you, or the other people who are asking that, please be more specific about that question? Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: supporting our fellowship representative
Hi, Am 2018-08-28 um 15:04 schrieb Joe Awni: > As far as I'm concerned, with out elections, my impression is it's a > staff-office in Berlin that is effectively domain-name-squatting on > fsfe.org <http://fsfe.org>. I guess that you know how offending this is to the numerous volunteers in FSFE, especially for those not based in Berlin - like, for example, myself. It does, however, speak for itself that such statements usually origin from people who have never participated in any of FSFE's activities. Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)
Am 2018-08-29 um 11:05 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > If you don't have time to meet people personally, it is inevitable there > will be some misunderstandings in electronic communications, especially > for those trying to squeeze too many things into their life. ... says the person who didn't attend any of the two General Assemblies he was invited to, because, well, he had no time. Yes, I do fully agree that a lot of misunderstandings, name-calling, mud-throwing and wasted time could have been avoided if only you had tried to talk to people (in person or by email) before making complaints or accusations in the public. Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: supporting our fellowship representative
Am 2018-08-29 um 18:17 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Fellowship now apparently being regarded as a failed attempt to increase > engagement amongst supporters, members and others. I have no idea how you come to this statement. The election of exactly one person per year from the pool of financial supporters into a 2-year membership in the legal association has been a failed attempt to improve community participation in FSFE's decisions. But that's something completely different. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: minimizing people's views (was: Merchandise production)
Hi, Daniel! Am 2018-08-29 um 22:56 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> Am 2018-08-27 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >>> People are asking how FSFE e.V. can raise[5] almost EUR 650,000 in one >>> year and spend barely EUR 37,000 on producing merchandise. >> >> I don't understand what exactly the question is: why FSFE didn't spend >> more on producing merchandise? Or why FSFE didn't spend less? Or what >> kind of merchandise we spent it on? >> >> Could you, or the other people who are asking that, please be more >> specific about that question? > > The public financial report[5] groups all expenditure into just 6 > high-level categories > > For an organization committed to transparency, a lot more detail could > be provided there. So when you wrote "People are asking how FSFE e.V. can raise almost EUR 650,000 in one year and spend barely EUR 37,000 on producing merchandise", you wanted to express that our public finance report should have more than 6 categories? Or did you now start a new topic and not answer my question? Sorry, but I have a hard time following your thoughts. Some of the suggestions you made in your last email might be worth considering, did you ever consider to make them towards the people actually in charge of the financial reports? Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)
Dear all, Am 2018-08-31 um 09:51 schrieb Sam Liddicott: > I love how you trimmed " It is not necessary to name anybody" and then > go on about avoidable name-calling while failing to avoid it yourself. I see that this came across much more agressive than it was intended. I apologize to everybody on this list for the inappropriate tone. You are right, please let's all go back to a constructive and forward-looking discussion. I must confess that the back and forth in this thread makes it very hard for me to distill specific tangible questions out of the communication. So if there is anything you want to ask and it got buried in the previous discussion (or maybe you didn't even ask yet), it might help us a lot if you phrased your question again, ideally starting a new thread for that. Thank you, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Silent majority (was: supporting our fellowship representative)
Dear [formerly] silent majority, Thank you so much for speaking up now and with very clear words. We hear you. Now everybody let's get back to constructive work for Free Software. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Andreas! Am 2018-09-15 um 06:26 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > Yes, hate speech is generally unwelcome in a democratic society, > certainly. The recent discussions was although free from hate speech, > such as instigating against a group of people based on race or > religion. I also consider hate speech and personal attacks unwelcome if it is directed at a single person, or a group of person not identified through race or regligion. > In any case I read the post by Florian Snow and the quotes > from emails are lacking context, therefore I kindly request that > Florian Snow fills out the lacking context with the full emails. This sentence confuses me, since I can't find a post by Florian Snow which contains quotes from emails. Thanks, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Andreas! Am 2018-09-14 um 17:18 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > The sole reason for moderation is to calm a discussion down and the > abuse of moderation will be to kill a discussion off. If the intent of the moderators was to kill the discussion off, wouldn't it be illogical to let the messages through which claim that censorship happens? :-) FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already very close to unsubscribing from this list, of which I have been a member for more than a century. Thanks, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Lionel, Am 2018-09-16 um 17:22 schrieb Lionel Elie Mamane: >> FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already >> very close to unsubscribing from this list, of which I have been a >> member for more than a century. > > A decade maybe? Or since last century, but not "for more than a > century"? ROFLMAO. Of course I meant decade. Thanks for pointing that out :-) Best, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: History Repeating
Hi, Paul, Am 03.03.19 um 15:51 schrieb Paul Boddie: > I don't know whether this is an issue with the FSFE Web site or some real > news, but I see the following item on the FSFE front page (https://fsfe.org/): > > """ > Jonas Öberg joins FSFE as Executive Director > > 02 March 2019 Uh, that was a bug in our time machine ;-) Seriously, there was a typo in the news file, it should of course be 02 MArch 2015 instead of 2019. I now fixed it. Thank you for reporting! Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Kundigung [Legal Team] leaving FSFE's legal team
Am 29.03.19 um 11:12 schrieb Christian Imhorst: > I have no problem with anonymous whistleblowing. I have, frankly, a problem with forwarding internal emails from a trusted group. It leads to breaking the trust within that group, and that leads to people within those groups not speaking out openly any more. Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list
Hi, Paul! Am 02.05.19 um 21:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: > It would obviously have been far more appropriate for Daniel to merely > advertise that another discussion venue has been set up and for him to invite > those who are interested to sign up for themselves. As far as I know, no such > invitation message has been propagated by this mailing list, but I do wonder > whether it might have been propagated had it been received. From my experience with this mailing list (and others hosted by FSFE), I would absolutely have expected such an invitation to have been approved by the list moderators. I see that in the past, two kinds of messages have been rejected: * Messages that contain offensive language, and * Messages that violate the privacy of others (e.g. forwarding priate emails). > I would also encourage the FSFE leadership to use venues like this list to > more fully engage with the community, even when this involves encountering > dissent. I have actually experienced FSFE as an organisation that handles dissent in a very constructive manner. On the other hand, I see a fundamental difference between voicing dissent on one side and personal attacks, false claims, and conspiracy theories on the other. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?
Hi, Besnik, all sarcasm aside, Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? what exactly do you refer to in this sentence? If FSFE spends money on something, I'm usually among the first ones to know, but I have no idea what you mean. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?
Dear Paul, thank you for your verbose reply. Am 03.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Paul Boddie: >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us >>> "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? >> >> what exactly do you refer to in this sentence? If FSFE spends money on >> something, I'm usually among the first ones to know, but I have no idea >> what you mean. > > I think that there are concerns that the FSFE has not exactly safeguarded the > interests of individual members and Free Software initiatives You are probably right that whether a specific strategy in a political process was optimal can always be questioned. But that's a different discussion, and other people within FSFE can better speak about that than myself. Besnik claimed that FSFE gave money (even "the money") to lawyers in the course of that activity. This is an allegation for which I would request information about on what it is based. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?
Hi, Karun! Am 03.05.19 um 18:36 schrieb Karun: > I think the FSFE needs to change to become an Organisation where the > FSFE Fellows/Supporters are actually members like many other > Organisations. For instance I’m a member of Proveg e.v. and there you > are actually a member and not just a „financial contributor“ like with FSFE. I just found the minutes of the last General Assembly of Proveg e.V.: https://proveg.com/de/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/12/Protokoll-der-Mitgliedervollversammlung-am-10.11.2018-1.pdf (sorry, only in German). I noticed two interesting points: 1. Appearantly, Proveg has just introduced a "supporting membership" (in German Fördermitgliedschaft), i.e. pretty much exactly what the supporter status is right now with FSFE. 2. According to the minutes, the organisation has 15.000 members, of which 36 (!) attended the General Assembly. So while Proveg calles all those 15.000 members, de facto 99.8% of them are financial supporters. Personally, I do agree with you that the membership base of the legal skeleton of FSFE (the FSFE e.V.) should be broadened, but I am a strong supporter of the strategy that membership in this body should be a privilege of those actively contributing to the work of the organisation. You are highly welcome to join through this path, as is everybody else, there are numerous fields within FSFE in which you can engage. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
FSFE paying lawyers (was: Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)
Hi, Paul! Am 03.05.19 um 23:08 schrieb Paul Boddie: > It is possibly the more interesting discussion from my perspective, but I can > understand that your perspective may be different. So I hope you don't get me wrong when I ask you to open a new thread for the discussion which you (and probably others) will find interesting. I find myself confronted with what might easily been seen as an allegation of abuse of FSFE's funds, in Besnik's claim that FSFE gave "the money" to [certain] lawyers. As FSFE's accountant, I feel obliged to make a statement on that allegation, which I can only do when it is precised, what I think only Besnik himself can do. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?
Hi, Besnik! >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us >>> "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? Am 03.05.19 um 23:46 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > I'm not claiming that donation money was spent for that. Thank you for clarifying, I indeed seem to have misinterpreted your original message. Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share
Hi, Mirko! Am 06.05.19 um 15:55 schrieb Mirko Boehm: > Most of the ground work on this issue was done by Openforum Europe. > [...] > Which means the interests of the free software community where > much less present in the process than is commonly assumed here. Is this implying that OFE actively works against the interests of Free Software, or are they just indifferent? I assume that you have some insight about this, being the Co-Chair of the Intellectual Property Task Force at OFE. Also, given your involvement in the OFE side of the process, I understand that you of course see the amount of work done on that side. Generally, I think it makes sense to, for specific activities, partner with other organisations if these other orgs pursue the same goals as we do, even if they do it for different reasons. In no case, IMHO, should we stop to fight for what is good for Free Software just because it happens to also be good for organisations or companies we don't like. Thanks, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share
Hi, Mirko! Thank you for clarifying. Am 09.05.19 um 11:54 schrieb Mirko Boehm: > OFE is a great ally to FSFE, and has a mission that is strongly related > to ours. It is however not a software freedom focused organisation. It > is good to work together. It is not a promising approach to rely on OFE > to have software freedom represented in Brussels for us. So it makes sense to work together with organisations like OFE, but we need to make sure that their goals in a specific field of cooperation match our goals, even if it is for different reasons. Right? Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Hi, all, and especially the moderators of this list! Am 24.05.19 um 10:25 schrieb jah: > Boring! less of this please. While for some of us (including me), it is interesting to see the reactions to Daniel's emails, I think the number of complaints has exceeded what is constructive to put on a public discussion list with hundreds of subscribers. I believe that meanwhile, virtually everbyody here is more or less fed up with his conspiracy tales as much as everybody else. So for the sake of improving the signal to noise ratio on this list, with full respect for free speech and with deep understanding for everybody who feels the urge to complain to Daniel, I would ask a) everybody here to direct their complaints to Daniel directly (who will ignore them, unfortunately) instead of to the mailing list, and b) the moderators of this list (who are doing a great job!) to, if in doubt, verify whether the author of such an email indeed intended to address the whole mailing list before approving the post. Thanks, Reinhard P.S. Yes, I am aware that Daniel Pocock potentially tricked some recipients of his latest email into replying to this mailing list by setting a Reply-To: header, and that he did this on purpose. P.P.S. jah, I hope you understand that this is not against you. I completely understand and fully support your statement. I chose your email to reply to because your one-liner is a perfect TL;DR for my own message :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: transparency about the fellowship
Hi, Paul! Am 09.09.19 um 17:44 schrieb Paul Boddie: > However, summarised information for 2018 is not yet available. Is this > overdue > or is it expected to be published within the year? It will be published as soon as the numbers have been finalized by our tax consultant. We expect this to happen before the end of the year. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE 2018 Financials (was Re: transparency about the fellowship)
Hi, Paul! Thank you for your comment on our financials! Considering the time I spend compiling the numbers, I'm really happy somebody outside the financial team actually looks at them, besides the tax office. ;-) Am 19.01.20 um 22:48 schrieb Paul Boddie: > And there are also paid services (whatever these are) that bring in revenue: > > 2014: 18148.47 > 2015: 26803.17 > 2016: 34563.50 > 2017: 107783.06 > 2018: 81090.47 > > [...] some insight into the rather > larger "paid services" revenues would be interesting since they have been > holding up the bottom line. In most years, the by far largest share of the item "paid services" is participation fees for the Free Software Legal and Licensing Workshop (https://fsfe.org/activities/ftf/legal-conference.en.html). The extraordinary high numbers in 2017 and 2018 result from significant money we received for the REUSE project (https://reuse.software/), specifically from Siemens. Other income included in this item is speaker fees FSFE receives for talks held by staff or volunteers, and remuneration for consulting done by FSFE. For the curious, and for the sake of completeness: the numbers given are excluding VAT. I hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to ask further questions! Best, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?
Just for the sake of completeness: Am 13.02.21 um 05:11 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: > as current coordinator for FSFE-Czechia (currently disputed by Max) AFAICT, the only person who claims that there is a group "FSFE-Czechia" and calling yourself the coordinator of that group is you. Please stop this. It doesn't help anything. Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?
Hi, Am 16.02.21 um 12:42 schrieb MJ Ray: > Please consider operating as a Free-Software-supporting association > outside of FSFE, so the work and members are not all lost. > > FSFE does good but is not the Messiah. The basic concept of a > Foundation (special status for founders and founding procedures) is > not in perfect harmony with free software IMO. To clarify: the legal status of FSFE is that of a registered association, not that of a foundation. There is no special status for founders. Other than that, I agree with what you said: we are not the Messiah, and if you want to do things that are outside the scope of FSFE please don't let that stop you doing them anyway :-) Thanks, -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: "Open Source Gardens" and Free Software
Am 14.03.21 um 16:20 schrieb Erik Albers: > patents. Most of them are hybrid-varieties that are possible to reproduce you meant *not* possible to reproduce further, right? Thanks -- Reinhard Müller * Financial Team Free Software Foundation Europe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
