Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Andreas! Am 2018-09-15 um 06:26 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > Yes, hate speech is generally unwelcome in a democratic society, > certainly. The recent discussions was although free from hate speech, > such as instigating against a group of people based on race or > religion. I also consider hate speech and personal attacks unwelcome if it is directed at a single person, or a group of person not identified through race or regligion. > In any case I read the post by Florian Snow and the quotes > from emails are lacking context, therefore I kindly request that > Florian Snow fills out the lacking context with the full emails. This sentence confuses me, since I can't find a post by Florian Snow which contains quotes from emails. Thanks, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Andreas! Am 2018-09-14 um 17:18 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > The sole reason for moderation is to calm a discussion down and the > abuse of moderation will be to kill a discussion off. If the intent of the moderators was to kill the discussion off, wouldn't it be illogical to let the messages through which claim that censorship happens? :-) FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already very close to unsubscribing from this list, of which I have been a member for more than a century. Thanks, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Talos II (FSF RYF candidate)
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 08:25:41AM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: > Would any of the boosts in sales be also attributed to the current > intel security issues, spectre, meltdown and more recent problems > that affect intel architecture. I would assume that power9 does not > suffer from similar problems, (not that we should be complacent) so > this combined with freedom and open hardware is welcome. I'm very doubtful about Power9 not having such issues, unless: - it does not use speculative execution at all (and how does it manage being high-performance?) - it does not have the "separate VM" features at all It is less widespread, so maybe nobody has found / publicised an attack yet... > On 14/09/18 22:36, Timothy Pearson wrote: > > On 09/14/2018 04:02 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > >> On Tuesday 12. September 2017 16.07.12 Timothy Pearson wrote: > >>> Just wanted to pass this along from the FSF on this side of the pond in > >>> case you haven't seen it yet: > >>> > >>> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/support-the-talos-ii-a-candidate-for-respects-your-freedom-certification-by-pre-ordering-by-september-15 > > > >> One year later and it looks like this is available to purchase: > > > >> https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ > > > >> Is that correct and why didn't you keep us posted? ;-) Have you had much > >> interest from the Free Software community? > > > >> Paul > > > > Yes, it's true! :-) We've been selling these machines for the better > > part of a year now, and so far the reception has been quite positive. > > > > We'll have some of our hardware available on display / for live demo at > > the OpenPOWER Summit in Amsterdam [1] if anyone is interested in trying > > one out live... > > > > [1] https://openpowerfoundation.org/summit-2018-10-eu/ > > > > ___ > > Discussion mailing list > > Discussion@lists.fsfe.org > > https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion > > > > This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All > > participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: > > https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct > > > ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Reinhard. Clarification regarding the emails. The quotes from emails that Daniel Pocock posted on his blog were both the sender/author and the moderation response. When I wrote that "the quotes from email were lacking context" I meant that the emails Daniel Pocock posted was not entirely detailed (according to Florian Snow). Hence my request for full emails. As far as I know, hate speech originated as a crime against a group of humans based on demeaning them for what they look like or believe in. Personal attacks are something else and are not criminal. Satire uses personal attacks a lot in art and comedy without meaning a malicious intent. Kind regards, Andreas On Sun, 2018-09-16 at 09:07 +0200, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Andreas! > > Am 2018-09-15 um 06:26 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > > Yes, hate speech is generally unwelcome in a democratic society, > > certainly. The recent discussions was although free from hate > > speech, > > such as instigating against a group of people based on race or > > religion. > > I also consider hate speech and personal attacks unwelcome if it is > directed at a single person, or a group of person not identified > through > race or regligion. > > > In any case I read the post by Florian Snow and the quotes > > from emails are lacking context, therefore I kindly request that > > Florian Snow fills out the lacking context with the full emails. > > This sentence confuses me, since I can't find a post by Florian Snow > which contains quotes from emails. > > Thanks, > Reinhard > > ___ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.fsfe.org > https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion > > This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All > participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: > https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct - -- Developer of Chilling Spree, a Quakeworld(tm) server modification licensed under GNU GPLv2. Download area: http://download.tuxfamily.org/cspree/. Member of FSFE. Fellow no 00 000 3948. Composer of CC BY licensed works. Download and streaming hosted at https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/andreas/. GnuPG fingerprint: 579A 7871 2B40 5331 487D 465F B122 68DC 6FEF D814 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREKAB0WIQRzLcEzYZ4mgAzFhvO5vYi5hUgLzgUCW54cvgAKCRC5vYi5hUgL zvYrAQCyHDeRwhfo9U7+W0VPuLF6BGtz+h9jewar9sYRHYd1wwEA2mz0oNZzFmlo f2HRV2/8FHspl0DN4YOWN30cktj/n3w= =bfkx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
Hi, Lionel, Am 2018-09-16 um 17:22 schrieb Lionel Elie Mamane: >> FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already >> very close to unsubscribing from this list, of which I have been a >> member for more than a century. > > A decade maybe? Or since last century, but not "for more than a > century"? ROFLMAO. Of course I meant decade. Thanks for pointing that out :-) Best, Reinhard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 09:11:12AM +0200, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Am 2018-09-14 um 17:18 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: >> The sole reason for moderation is to calm a discussion down and the >> abuse of moderation will be to kill a discussion off. > If the intent of the moderators was to kill the discussion off, > wouldn't it be illogical to let the messages through which claim > that censorship happens? :-) You are obviously not used to conspiracy theories. Letting this message through was to make people believe there is no abuse of moderation, since the claims of censorship are in well-publicised blogs anyway. > FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already > very close to unsubscribing from this list, of which I have been a > member for more than a century. A decade maybe? Or since last century, but not "for more than a century"? -- Lionel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
On 16/09/18 09:07, Reinhard Müller wrote: >> In any case I read the post by Florian Snow and the quotes >> from emails are lacking context, therefore I kindly request that >> Florian Snow fills out the lacking context with the full emails. > This sentence confuses me, since I can't find a post by Florian Snow > which contains quotes from emails. I would think Andreas Nilsson is mentioning the email from Florian Snow where he state that Daniel Pocock "[...] did not receive the full emails or is leaving out important parts himself. Either way, I saw some of the mails he is referring to and the quotes are not complete." so Andreas his asking for the full emails and complete quotes to be made available so that better judgement can be attained. Best regards Miguel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?
FWIW, I am happy that the moderation happens here, since I was already very close to unsubscribing from this list+1This discussion is draining my patience and energy even with moderation on.Please move it off-list or create a separate list for it if it needs to be public. Whoever wants to follow it can subscribe to that list.--Ion Savin___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
