Dia grid snapping

[Dumitru Ursu]

Hello,
I'm doing some UML diagrams in Dia, and while I'm very satisfied with 
the program itself,

I've runned into some issues.
The thing is, it's very hard to draw "straight" diagrams. I use grid 
snapping, but the diagram looks like hell.
Then I disable grid snapping, and I can come pretty close to what I 
need, but it's far from perfect.

http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/13/0622/h_1371917042_8552590_2c8f9d65f8.png

One more thing is very annoying: object snapping. It doesn't work as 
supposed, it's very tricky to make

an arrow to snap in the place I want.

Since I'm writing this email (I'm so tired, it took some effort), I want 
to give an an improvement advice.

I used for some time yed Graph. It's a very interesting program
with some drawbacks - it's not free (as in freedom) an will never be , I 
sent an email.

- it's written in java

What is good in it, is the way you draw lines (usually arrows) - you 
drag on one object - then on the second
one you stop, and it will find the best route (avoiding crossing other 
objects).
2'nd use-case - you drag on the object, you click anywhere on canvas and 
it makes a corner, click on the canvas as much as you like, making 
corners, and the click on the second object. The path is there, fast and 
on the route of your choise.
3'rd use-case - you drag on the object, then stop dragging while on the 
same object, and it will make a loop. (very useful in flowcharting)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujMhxPJnJCw

It would be cool to have a feature like this in Dia. It makes you 
ultra-fast.

Thank you,

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Changing styles on selected objects

[Dumitru Ursu]

Hello,
My name is Dumitru Ursu, I'm a Computer Science student from Republic of 
Moldova.
I'm using Dia to make the UML diagrams for my thesis project. It works 
nicely, it's much more stable than Umbrello (although that on got better 
too),
and it has more features. One feature that I was interested in was EPS 
export, which doesn't work in Umbrello.
I also recently found about the --integrated flag, which was vital for 
me, as I'm using a tilling WM, and having a lot of windows floating 
around is annoying.


I've run into a into an issue, and I'm not sure whether is a bug or feature:
Steps to reproduce:
1. Open Dia
2. Switch to UML diagrams
3. Add 2 class diagrams on the canvas
3. Change the text color of one of them, from the styles tab
4. Select both diagrams, duble click them
5.  Try to change the color of text. Click "Apply" or "Ok"
6.  The new color is not applied to the diagram with the changed styles.

If you modify the text color of both, neither will change the colors 
when trying to do a "mass" color change.

Is this the expected behavior?
I'm running Dia complied from git.

Dumitru.
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Re: More features

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 02/01/2014 08:30 PM, Octavio Alvarez wrote:

On 01/31/2014 12:01 PM, Hans Breuer wrote:

At 31.01.2014 17:24, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
Might be useful or might crash and burn your files ;-) Not that I think
that Dia master is in a bad shape, but recently I found and fixed some
huge leaks. So before considering a release I would be really useful to
get feedback from people building and tesing Dia from master.

Tested in master: Pango text rendering is broken again. I don't know if
it's Dia or Pango's fault. All letters of each word overlap in a single
position.

Except that this time switching fonts doesn't make a difference.

Then again I tested it in 0.97.2 and it's broken too. :-/ This is a show
stopper for those that need exporting with alpha channel.


Is is possible to write some kind of integration tests?
I have experience with writing tests for web applications (Ruby on 
Rails), and maybe I can contribute to Dia this way.
Also, is there a list with easier issues to work on, in order to get to 
know the code base?
I searched through Dia's bugzilla, but many are unconfirmed, many have 
patches (but are not closed for some reason), and is hard for me to pick 
something.


Dima.

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Re: More features

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 02/01/2014 10:11 PM, Hans Breuer wrote:

At 01.02.2014 19:46, Dumitru Ursu wrote:

On 02/01/2014 08:30 PM, Octavio Alvarez wrote:

[...]
Then again I tested it in 0.97.2 and it's broken too. :-/ This is a 
show

stopper for those that need exporting with alpha channel.


Is is possible to write some kind of integration tests?
For the issue at hand it might be useful to write a minimal but 
complete test program to show the Pango or cairo bug. It would either 
help the library developers to identify their bug or help the 
application developer to find a  work around.


I can reproduce the bug, when exporting to cairo PNG. All characters 
positions are messed up. I just compiled the master.

cairo 1.12.16-1
pango 1.36.1-1
I exported to EPS with Pango fonts, and it was ok, also as PDF with Cairo.
I will try to investigate further.

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Re: I wanted to know when is the next release? or is this no longer supported

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 02/27/2014 09:52 PM, Zou, Yixiong wrote:


I have the same question.

I am looking for an open source alternative for commercial software 
like Visio.  I’ve researched quite a few diagraming tools.  Dia is the 
one that has the most of the features that I am looking for.  The 
converter from Visio to SVG is something that’s really appealing 
because we have a lot of existing diagrams in Visio format.  But when 
I tried to use it on Windows, it seems to crash a lot for some 
reason.  I’ve played with Dia for quite few hours, and everytime when 
I try to create new shapes or sheets it will crash.  I can send out 
more detailed bug report later, but in the meantime, it would be good 
to know whether this is still in active development.


BTW, is there a good up-to-date tutorial on creating new shaps and 
sheets? Not via the GUI interface, but rather a guide on what each of 
the XML tag mean in the shape files.




http://dia-installer.de/doc/en/custom-shapes-chapter.html
Did you try this one? It looks like a SVG shape embedded in XML, it's 
not that fancy.



Thank you for your help.

-Yixiong Zou

*From:*dia-list [mailto:dia-list-boun...@gnome.org] *On Behalf Of 
*Michael Lam

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:23 AM
*To:* dia-list@gnome.org
*Subject:* I wanted to know when is the next release? or is this no 
longer supported


I really enjoy your product.  Is there going to be another release 
after 0.97.2?  Its been a few years since last release and wanted to 
know if this tools is still supported?




The last commit in git is from 2 days ago. Mostly translations, but also 
changes in the program source code. It's definitely still supported.


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Re: Upcoming Dia 0.97.3 bug-fix-only

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 03/08/2014 03:04 PM, Hans Breuer wrote:
Some more fixes from master just got cherry-picked to the dia-0-97 
branch.
Before I do another bug fix only release from that branch I would like 
to get some feedback from you. The list of fixed bugs is relatively short

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=dia&target_milestone=0.97.3
but e.g. the notorious Pango kerning problem is included.

*651949* 
*667500*  - that 
windows only, you should modify the bug report.
*711418*  - this one 
is fine, but XML is not listed in the supported document formats, I had 
to pick "All files"

573261 
*668587* 
*710818*  - this one 
wasn't fixed on my machine

error code:
dia: cairo-arc.c:189: _cairo_arc_in_direction: Assertion `angle_max 
>= angle_min' failed.

cairo  version -> 1.12.16-1
*721851*  - not fixed.

These are the bugs that I could test. The rest are Windows/Mac related, 
and I haven't used for several years such machine.


Have a nice day,
Dima
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Re: Upcoming Dia 0.97.3 bug-fix-only

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 03/10/2014 10:17 PM, Hans Breuer wrote:

At 08.03.2014 23:44, Dumitru Ursu wrote:

On 03/08/2014 03:04 PM, Hans Breuer wrote:
Some more fixes from master just got cherry-picked to the dia-0-97 
branch.
Before I do another bug fix only release from that branch I would 
like to

get some feedback from you. The list of fixed bugs is relatively short
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=dia&target_milestone=0.97.3 


but e.g. the notorious Pango kerning problem is included.

*651949* <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651949>

No comment means bugfix confirmed, right?


Yes.



*711418* <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711418> - this 
one is

fine, but XML is not listed in the supported document formats, I had to
pick "All files"
Intentionally. The last ressort file importer is Dia's own format, but 
we do not want to advertize this ;)




Oh, I see.


*710818* <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710818> - this one
wasn't fixed on my machine
error code:
 dia: cairo-arc.c:189: _cairo_arc_in_direction: Assertion 
`angle_max >=

angle_min' failed.
cairo  version -> 1.12.16-1
I've reopened the issue with some more information. On the other 
computer I even have implemented a fix.


*721851* <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721851> - not 
fixed.


Shoud have changed the title to " Commandline export not working for 
pixbuf (with X11 terminal)" because that's the improvement made. From 
the commit message of 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/commit/?id=c3dcf1eec1b4ef57c45c58410048b77c83ea50dd


The pixbuf export requires a diaplay. Use gtk_init_check() to allow 
command line export from an X terminal without sacrificing the command 
line mode without X11.


Do you say it does not work in that margin for you?


Aha. On my computer it didn't work form xterm, on a X11 environment: if 
that's the expected behavior, so be it.




These are the bugs that I could test. The rest are Windows/Mac 
related, and

I haven't used for several years such machine.

E.g. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683700 should be 
reproduceable on Linux as well. The OS field is initialized by the 
reporter (or machine setting). Often I'm setting it during analysis to 
All if the bug is cross platform.
But even if the bug is reproduceable only on one platform the fix for 
it could potentially introcude cross platform bugs;)


Microsoft® Visio® 2010 Step by Step Practice Files 
<http://examples.oreilly.com/9780735648876-files/> <- Visio import 
doesn't work with these files. (it complains about a tag)


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Re: Upcoming Dia 0.97.3 bug-fix-only

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 03/10/2014 10:28 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote:


Microsoft® Visio® 2010 Step by Step Practice Files 
<http://examples.oreilly.com/9780735648876-files/>  <- Visio import 
doesn't work with these files. (it complains about a tag)
/home/dimon/HR Process Map_start.vsd:1: parser error : Start tag 
expected, '<'

�ࡱ�
^

This is the error. I guess .vsd is a binary format, while .vsx is a 
xml-based one.  Is Dia able to read those?


Dima.
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Re: Family Tree

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 03/11/2014 02:38 PM, Wayne Babb wrote:

I have the same problem as this post:-

"On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Julian Hagenauer uni-heidelberg de 
> wrote:


Hi,
i want to draw a tree.
The nodes should be text, and lines should connect the nodes.
With dia it seems not possible to connect text with lines"



Why not use something specialized, like http://www.gramps-project.org/ ?

Dima.
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Re: Dia in Windows 8.1

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 03/18/2014 01:51 AM, Andrey Repin wrote:

dia --integrated

Which is quite clearly written in the `dia --help'...

Maybe there should be a shortcut for that, or a menu entry? Most of the 
windows users have no idea how to pass parameters to a program.


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Re: Adding comments to an object

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 04/21/2014 11:09 AM, Andrey Repin wrote:

I want to make a chart of historical information, and would like to
>annotate the chart entry with additional information.

I doubt you want to supply Dia along with your chart...
Either you picked a wrong tool for the job, or you should rethink your
expectations and adapt to the desired result with the tool on hand in mind.
I agree with Andrey, you are probably using the wrong tool for the job: 
I suppose what you need is Inkscape, a vector graphics program: you can 
slice the svg and make a web page out of it, or animate the SVG directly 
(Inkscape doesn't support that directly). A bit of Javascript would do 
what you need.

Also, consider Synfig as a tool for animations.

Dima.
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Re: Adding comments to an object

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 04/21/2014 06:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
I'm creating an organizational chart structure of information.  If I 
choose to, I want to be able to click on an object, in this case a 
rectangle, and have another box, or window, open somewhere that gives 
me additional information about the data in the rectangle. The 
information the box/window will be the same type of information you 
would get from a footnote, endnote, or bibliography.  It will simply 
tell me where I got the information from.


I think SVG and Inkscape is capable of this. Maybe with the jessyink 
extension it's easier.  Explore this option.

Dia is definitely not what you are looking for.

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Re: Problem with printing of Dia sheets

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 05/07/2014 05:39 PM, Kunze, Sebastian wrote:


Hello,

My name is Sebastian Kunze and I´m process engineer of papermaking. I 
found your DIA program in the web to draw process maps in my factory.



...



For a better Understanding I sent you a pdf of the problem.



Hi Sebastian,

Can you provide the .dia file too?
That would be of great help.

Dima.
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Re: Unable to run Dia Software

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 05/21/2014 10:04 PM, boudzoumou chris wrote:

Hello

I send you this email to ask for help on using the software Dia (UML).

I present the situation:

I have installed Dia software on my Ubuntu computer.

When I run Dia, two windows open then close immediately after 
(approximately 2 seconds).


I do not understand why these two windows close after launching Dia.

Can you help me solve this problem?


Hi Chris,

Can you open a terminal, and run dia from there? Just type "dia" and 
press enter.

Tell us the output sent to the terminal.
Also, run "dia --verbose" (this output you can put it in a pastebin 
service, it can get pretty big) ( http://pastebin.com ), and give us the 
link.


Dima.
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Margins for A4 sheet

[Dumitru Ursu]

Hello,

I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; I've 
set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, but the 
whole canvas is painted;
When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need 
just one.

Also, how do I scale the diagrams?

Dima.


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Re: Margins for A4 sheet

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 06/10/2014 12:29 PM, Dumitru Ursu wrote:

Hello,

I'm having some problems seeing/setting the margins for a A4 page; 
I've set up from preferences to color the A4 area with a light blue, 
but the whole canvas is painted;
When I export to PDF I get a document of 4 pages, when I really need 
just one.

Also, how do I scale the diagrams?


http://i.imgur.com/oRqmrI1.png

For anyone else having troubles with this, the solution is to go to File 
> Page Setup, and fiddle around with the scale setting, until the red 
grid encompases your drawing.

The red grid is the one who marks the page border.

Also, as a note for developers: can't the infinite canvas be made 
optional? Having one A4 sheet by default is the way people are acustomed 
to work.
Or maybe some watermarking at each grid intersection: 600x800px>


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Re: Margins for A4 sheet

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 06/10/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Green wrote:

Well I for one have (more than once) said that I'd like it to be much
easier than it is at present to print diagrams on A4.

Surely the usual way most people thank about a 'picture of something'
is one that can be presented fairly sensibly on a sheet of paper.
Creating a huge diagram and printing bits of it seems an rather odd
way of going about things.

Also, the 'big diagram printed in separate bits' doesn't produce
something that's easy to bind into a document.  What one wants is
*separate*  diagrams with annotated interconnections, lines simply
going off the edge to somewhere on another page are not really very
helpful.
Yup, it's a user experience problem. I think fexibility is what 
developers had in mind, and I agree that a good
program should allow for flexible workflows, and advanced features: but 
the defaults should be sensible, oriented towards
common use-cases (one could argue what a common use case is, but that's 
not that hard to find out, with a poll or something)


Dima.
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Re: Margins for A4 sheet

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 06/11/2014 03:43 PM, Michael Ross wrote:


This is a common occurrence - a new user has a bunch of suggestions 
(that are often repeats of previous ones from years past) that are not 
informed by experience with the program, how open source work gets 
done, and an unwillingness to adapt to what is given.  I have had the 
same reaction myself.  If someone points out a functional work around 
- it may be the path of least resistance to use it.  We do not 
understand the inner workings of SVG, the basis of Dia, and over which 
the Dia developers do not have any more control over than we do over Dia.




I don't mean to be rude, but if users point out year after year at some 
odd feature, then maybe is time to review that bit of UX?
It's not a technical deficiency of SVG format, it's just a odd 
convention Dia developers choosed: I can see why they did it so, virtual 
paper allows for a infinite canvans, but most people are used to think 
in our phisical, finite world.


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Re: Margins for A4 sheet

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 06/11/2014 06:11 PM, Andrey Repin wrote:

Again, you use the word "most" in which you only include yourself and your
immediate surroundings.



Yes, my opinion is based on my immediate surroundigs, that is true. But 
as I said in a previous replay, is not that hard to find who are the 
users of dia, and what most people expect, by making a poll. Both our 
opinions are skewed, unless you have some data behind your claim, of 
course.


Dima.
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Re: problem with opening a file

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 07/07/2014 05:56 PM, Ирина Тетеревкова wrote:

Hi!

I have a problem with Dia sofware. When i want to open svg file, Dia 
says: "PyDia Error (../../../plug-ins/python/diamodule.c:295):
NotImplementedError('Unknown 
unit  Q',)Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 717, in import_svg
imp.Parse(f.read())
  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 658, in Parse
p.Parse(sData)
  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 632, in 
start_element

_eval(s, locals())
  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 78, in _eval
return eval (s, {'__builtins__' : None }, _locals)
  File "", line 1, in 
  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 409, in d
xc = Scaled(sp[j]); yc = Scaled(sp[j+1])
  File "/usr/share/dia/python/diasvg_import.py", line 65, in Scaled
raise NotImplementedError("Unknown unit %s %s" % (s[:-2], s[-2:]))"


What should I do with this error?


Can we have a look at the SVG file? It's hard to tell this way.
As an idea, look if your file is really a SVG one, or is an ilustrator file.

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Re: RV: Problem with the VSD2SVG

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 08/29/2014 04:48 PM, Federico Castelo wrote:
> Besides that problema, when I can get the chance to open a file, it
> is an image file with I cannot work with L.
> 
> 
> 
> *De:*Federico Castelo *Enviado el:* viernes, 29 de agosto de 2014 
> 09:34 *Para:* 'dia-list@gnome.org' *Asunto:* Problem with the 
> VSD2SVG
> 
> 
> 
> Tho whom it may concern,
> 
> Friends of DIA, I have a problem with the VSD2SVG, when I want to 
> open a file I´ve already converted using this program, Dia cannot 
> open the archive because it never save it as a .svg, I´ve tried 
> several times but I get the same result over and over. Can you help
> me with this?

So the file you are trying to open is a SVG? Try to open it directly,
Dia can't open plain SVG files. If you want to edit SVG files, use
inkscape.

Dima.

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Re: Dia

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 10/28/2014 12:47 AM, Sheehan, John T wrote:
> Hi folks, my name is John Sheehan and I am a software developer. Tim
> (cc’ed here) and I are looking at Dia as a sketch tool to recommend to
> our customers.
> 
> Our product is Mathcad and our clients (engineers of every discipline)
>  live on free body diagrams. We’re not going to build a sketcher, and
> then there is Dia, perfect we tell our customers to use Dia and all are
> happy. Except one wrinkle,  getting images from Dia to Mathcad means
> exporting as PNG and then loading from disk, repeat process on every change.
> 
>  
> 
> My idea is I would like to add clip board interoperability to Dia. Then
> Dia users could Cntrl-C from Dia and Cntrl-V everywhere else, Like
> MS-Word, MS-PowerPoint or Mathcad.
> 
> I am getting confused trying to find the source code. Websites say the
> source code is publicly available but I have not found it.
> 
>  
> 
> So two quick questions : 1.) Is there any reason why clip board
> interoperability wouldn’t work?
> 
>  2.) Is the source code
> publicly available?

http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/dia/
https://github.com/GNOME/dia

There you go :)

Dima.

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Re: Autosave archive

[Dumitru Ursu]

On 11/24/2014 09:07 PM, Hector Emmanuel Ruelas Monroy wrote:
> My laptop recently turned off and I was working on Dia. When I turned it
> on again I realize that my file was save with the extention
> ".dia~.autosave" but i don´t know how to open my file again... could you
> help me?
> 

You could try to rename the file, leave only the .dia extension ;)

Dima.

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