Re: Line pointed to center of circle

2011-09-20 Thread Kaminar 
I thought you are developer. :) Thank you for trying to help.

Karel

> No need for me to look at it as I am not a developer.  I am just trying to
> help find an existing method that can do what you want, and maybe clarify
> the desired function.  Perhaps Steffan or Hans will like to see the video.
> 
> If you have explored the function of ellipses and lines then you know what
> can be done and what cannot.
> 
> Now you have to try to make a sufficient case to get the enhancement coded -
> or learn to do that yourself.  If you are the only person who ever wanted
> this, then you may find that developing it yourself is best.
> 
> Sorry,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Kaminar  wrote:
> 
> > > Regarding your discussion of blocks, do you mean a group?
> >
> > No, I don't mean group. I mean only select some objects with mouse.
> > I captured video of this problem in Dia. If you agree, I can send you this
> > video on your private email. Video length is 3.7MB. Zipped with 7zip video
> > length is 2MB.
> >
> > Karel
> >
> > >
> > > I recall some odd behavior with lines and groups, as if Dia remembered
> > the
> > > old location after a move.  I have stopped using the anti-aliasing since
> > > then, I can't think of why else this has stopped being a problem.
> > >
> > > I don't think I can reproduce the trouble.
> > >
> > > When a line is in a group it becomes static.
> > >
> > > Karel said:
> > >
> > > The line is snapped to center as long as mouse button is pressed, but
> > after
> > > release mouse button the line skip from circle center to border
> > regardless
> > > of snap option (this is not due to the line is not visible, because in my
> > > try circle background was off).
> > >
> > >
> > > This is the same behavior I was referring to.  When you are placing the
> > line
> > > on the circle it shows the whole line, but when you release it the part
> > of
> > > the line from the border to the center is invisible.  If you move the
> > circle
> > > the line clearly is attached at the center, it moves around
> > > the circumference rather than being attached to a connection point on the
> > > circumference.  This is nice if you want to put some text of other item
> > > inside the circle, and not see the ray behind it.
> > >
> > > You are asking for a behavior that is common in a CAD program where lines
> > > are snapped to the center and remain visible.
> > >
> > > There are 8 attachment points on the border of an ellipse or circle where
> > > the major and minor axes are located.  You can attach a line to them and
> > to
> > > the center, and it will remain visible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Kaminar  wrote:
> > >
> > > > > It never hurts to mention which version of Dia you are using and the
> > OS.
> > > >
> > > > I tried it in Dia 0.97.1 in Ubuntu 10.04. But described behaviour I
> > > > observed in previous Dia version too.
> > > >
> > > > > With object snap turned on.
> > > > > If you create an ellipse and set it to be a circle, and turn the back
> > > > ground
> > > > > off,
> > > > > then draw a line to it,  the line will snap to the center, but the
> > line
> > > > is
> > > > > not visible within the circle.
> > > >
> > > > The line is snapped to center as long as mouse button is pressed, but
> > after
> > > > release mouse button the line skip from circle center to border
> > regardless
> > > > of snap option (this is not due to the line is not visible, because in
> > my
> > > > try circle background was off).
> > > >
> > > > > If you want to draw a line that is a visible ray from the center of
> > the
> > > > > circle,
> > > > > Dia does not do this with snapping and connection,
> > > > > thus when you move the circle the visible ray is left behind.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't mind moving only circle alone. I have minded the moving of
> > > > selected block, which covers circle and line together. After moving
> > circle
> > > > and line together, the line point skips from center to border of
> > circle. It
> > > > seems like unwanted behaviour, because it changes objects inside
> > selected
> > > > block after move.
> > > >
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Re: Grid Snap

2011-09-20 Thread Ale Strooisma 
Thanks, this definitely helps. Since what I was looking for seems not to 
exist in Dia, I'll use this.


I guess the ideal solution would if this could automatically happen when 
moving objects, so objects snapping to each other. That would snap an 
object when its center is on the same line(parallel to one of the grid 
axes) as an other object and when its top is on the same horizontal line 
as the top of another object, etc.
I know some other programs do have this feature, it would be great if 
Dia also had.


Kind regards, Ale

On 09/19/2011 08:58 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
You can pick any disparate group of items and use Objects Align 
Middle.  That is actually more productive than trying to snap them to 
grid and jogging back and forth with the cursor keys to get them just so.


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Ale Strooisma > wrote:


Hi,

I've been using dia for a while now, but always found it hard to
get everything lined-up nicely. Is it possible to snap an objects
center to the grid? This would make it much easier to get a clear
layout than snapping the topleft corner.

Ale
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Re: Line pointed to center of circle

2011-09-20 Thread Andrey Repin 
Greetings, Michael Ross!

> This is the same behavior I was referring to.  When you are placing the line
> on the circle it shows the whole line, but when you release it the part of
> the line from the border to the center is invisible.

For the "perfect circle" it's not true.
The line is clearly attached to the circle edge (the line anchor is drawn
there), while retaining it's mental connection to the circle center. It looks
much like "Perfect circle" have unlimited connection points along it's edge,
dynamically reassigned to connected lines as the shape is moved.

> If you move the circle the line clearly is attached at the center, it moves
> around the circumference rather than being attached to a connection point on
> the circumference.  This is nice if you want to put some text of other item
> inside the circle, and not see the ray behind it.

Well, yes. It's all nice as long as you're using standard shapes.
I was trying to reproduce the same behavior with custom shape to no success.
The best approximation I've come up with is when I use line absolure start/end
cuts, which gives a headache when I want to resize shape. I have to manually
adjust respective end of the line afterward.
Adding a "Circle" or more flexible "Ellipse" connection shape would be a
solution, though.


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Re: Extensions with python

2011-09-20 Thread Pierre-Louis Bonicoli 
On 19/09/2011 20:56, Albert wrote:
> Pierre-Louis,
> 
> Pitty.
> So, my options are: work in C?
> 
> Am I correct in the assumption that there is no event forwarding to the
> Python API? That would explain quite a bit of what is possible and not
> possible with the API. I.e. You can retrieve information and set the
> data, but there is no live interaction.
> 
> Thanks, the examples of use of the Python console are interesting.
> 
> Regards,
> Albert
> 

As said before, a quick and simple solution is to use custom shape.

New diagram type written in C is another option. Reading the code of UML
diagrams seems to me a good start,
http://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/tree/objects/UML/class.c is quite
complete :) Take in account that "building Dia plug-ins outside of the
tree is not supported." (See
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2011-September/msg00035.html)

Custom shape should be sufficient if you don't need to customize the
properties dialog. You could create a specific dialog with pygtk but it
will not be well integrated (see group_props.py).

Depending on your needs, maybe another completely different solution is
best suited to solve your problem, for example using
http://wiki.eclipse.org/GEF_Description (interesting example here:
http://www.vainolo.com/tutorials/).

Pierre-Louis
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Re: Grid Snap

2011-09-20 Thread Michael Ross 
I only recall one program that figures out all the reasonable locations for
snapping and that is LabVIEW and only with text.  They have an
algorithm that decides about nine positions for text block snapping around
an icon.  You can do that with something as regular as a text block.

On the other hand, the shapes in Dia are custom made by people who actually
use them and who are presumably happy with how they work.  There is all
manner of irregularity throughout all the palettes/sheets.  In that context
the Align functions are really very handy.  I am not a programmer, but
picking the center for snapping is as arbitrary as the upper left corner -
so what to choose?  Someone will always be disappointed.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Ale Strooisma  wrote:

> **
> Thanks, this definitely helps. Since what I was looking for seems not to
> exist in Dia, I'll use this.
>
> I guess the ideal solution would if this could automatically happen when
> moving objects, so objects snapping to each other. That would snap an object
> when its center is on the same line(parallel to one of the grid axes) as an
> other object and when its top is on the same horizontal line as the top of
> another object, etc.
> I know some other programs do have this feature, it would be great if Dia
> also had.
>
> Kind regards, Ale
>
>
> On 09/19/2011 08:58 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
>
> You can pick any disparate group of items and use Objects Align Middle.
>  That is actually more productive than trying to snap them to grid and
> jogging back and forth with the cursor keys to get them just so.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Ale Strooisma wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been using dia for a while now, but always found it hard to get
>> everything lined-up nicely. Is it possible to snap an objects center to the
>> grid? This would make it much easier to get a clear layout than snapping the
>> topleft corner.
>>
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Re: Line pointed to center of circle

2011-09-20 Thread Michael Ross 
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Andrey Repin  wrote:

> Greetings, Michael Ross!
>
> > This is the same behavior I was referring to.  When you are placing the
> line
> > on the circle it shows the whole line, but when you release it the part
> of
> > the line from the border to the center is invisible.
>
> For the "perfect circle" it's not true.
> The line is clearly attached to the circle edge (the line anchor is drawn
> there), while retaining it's mental connection to the circle center. It
> looks
> much like "Perfect circle" have unlimited connection points along it's
> edge,
> dynamically reassigned to connected lines as the shape is moved.
>

Andrey, it is possible to connect/snap to a "perfect" circle in multiple
ways. I assure you that I tested everything I said before I wrote the reply.
  I will leave it to you to verify that it behaves as I say.


> > If you move the circle the line clearly is attached at the center, it
> moves
> > around the circumference rather than being attached to a connection point
> on
> > the circumference.  This is nice if you want to put some text of other
> item
> > inside the circle, and not see the ray behind it.
>
> Well, yes. It's all nice as long as you're using standard shapes.
> I was trying to reproduce the same behavior with custom shape to no
> success.
>

Yes, this appears to be behavior for the ellipses only.  You will have to
dig deeper into the code to find out how it is done and see if it is
applicable to your own custom shapes.  The nice thing about open source is
you can actually do this - try to get into Visio or other commercial
software for modifications.


> The best approximation I've come up with is when I use line absolure
> start/end
> cuts, which gives a headache when I want to resize shape. I have to
> manually
> adjust respective end of the line afterward.
> Adding a "Circle" or more flexible "Ellipse" connection shape would be a
> solution, though.
>
> You are welcome to make a case for development or do it yourself.

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Re: Extensions with python

2011-09-20 Thread Hans Breuer 

At 19.09.2011 20:56, Albert wrote:

Pitty.
So, my options are: work in C?


To implement new object types and not use the custom shape module: yes.


Am I correct in the assumption that there is no event forwarding to the
Python API?

No. If you want to stop speculating you should start reading the source.


That would explain quite a bit of what is possible and not
possible with the API. I.e. You can retrieve information and set the
data, but there is no live interaction.


Even if the assumption above would be correct I dont get the conclusion.
It is possible to implement renderers in PyDia, because someone cared to 
implement the wrapper. See, e.g.:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/tree/plug-ins/python/pydia-render.c

Wrapping DiaObject would be vastly more difficult and IMO much less useful.

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Re: Dia. working with layers

2011-09-20 Thread Andrey Repin 
Greetings, Hans Breuer!

>> I need more general objects (classes) at different views.
>>
> Putting these general objects on an extra layer seems to be your best option.

To add: On an extra layer underneath your other layers.
Since you want lines attached to them hide properly with layers they attributed
to.

BTW, is the fact that layer linking resets randomly is a known bug or a
feature I did not understand?

I mean, I choose layer 2, enable linking to layer 1 and layer 0, then choose
layer 1 and enable linking to layer 0 and layer -1. When I come back to layer
2, it now have enabled link to layer -1.
It must be a per-layer option, IMO.


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Re: Dia. working with layers

2011-09-20 Thread Michael Ross 
I am curious, what is "enable layer linking?"  An entity can be part of only
one layer AFAIK.  I can move the layers up an down the layer stack, the
higher layers obscure the lower.  I can only work on the items that are in
the layer currently enabled/highlighted/turned-on.  This is pretty simple.

I read the Help and there is no mention whatsoever about linking layers.

Is like the words are wrong for what is being described.  Or it is about
some other program not Dia.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Andrey Repin  wrote:

> Greetings, Hans Breuer!
>
> >> I need more general objects (classes) at different views.
> >>
> > Putting these general objects on an extra layer seems to be your best
> option.
>
> To add: On an extra layer underneath your other layers.
> Since you want lines attached to them hide properly with layers they
> attributed
> to.
>
> BTW, is the fact that layer linking resets randomly is a known bug or a
> feature I did not understand?
>
> I mean, I choose layer 2, enable linking to layer 1 and layer 0, then
> choose
> layer 1 and enable linking to layer 0 and layer -1. When I come back to
> layer
> 2, it now have enabled link to layer -1.
> It must be a per-layer option, IMO.
>
>
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Re: Line pointed to center of circle

2011-09-20 Thread Hans Breuer 

At 17.09.2011 09:44, Kaminar wrote:

I have one problem with anchoring the line to the center of circle (ellipse). 
If I
drawing a line to center of a circle, the line is anchored to binding point at
border of circle.

That feature is called autogap and implemnted about 6 years ago. See
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2005-November/msg00072.html

I can not remember any complaints since than but agree that the behaviour 
is a bit odd.

Only one solution which I found is that It must first
draw line and then place circle over line at right position. This solution
would be sufficient, but there is another problem with it. After move this
objects, the line anchoring change from center to border of circle.
That's another feature I don't want to miss. Handles near connection points 
are automatically connected, which in your case leads to autogap.



Is there any way how to avoid this behaviour?

Without recompiling the only workaround coming to my mind is using another 
(mis-)feature. If you group the line with something else it wont connect 
any longer, thus not autogap.


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Re: OK

2011-09-20 Thread Hans Breuer 

At 14.09.2011 16:42, Flavio Micheletti wrote:

Hello friends,

I am a system analyst and user "DIA."
I would like to congratulate you for the excellent work.
I love the software. He is simply fantastic.

Congratulations.


Thamks ;-)

Hans

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Re: Mouse wheel zooming (was Re: Dia: Why is it so hard to do simple things? dia-list Digest, Vol 89, Issue 7)

2011-09-20 Thread Hans Breuer 

At 15.09.2011 21:22, Michael Ross wrote:

Hans,

Thank you for your attention.  How does one apply a patch to Dia?


Without a development environment: not at all ;)

Otherwise the first step should be getting the most recent version from 
git, which in this case would already include the patch I linked.


See http://dia-installer.de/developer/ for more details.

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Re: Opening DIA diagrams in MS Visio

2011-09-20 Thread Hans Breuer 

At 16.09.2011 23:52, Philip Lafeber wrote:
[...]

My customer arrived at DIA, the open source tool to create diagrams.
They like it and want to use it. The product I support can only import
Visio diagrams. So I was wondering if I can create diagrams in DIA and
convert them to VSD. I exported first to SVG, later to VDX.
I'm not aware of connections being representable in SVG, VDX seems to 
support it somehow: 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa167010%28v=office.10%29.aspx



In both options, the elements are saved in many parts.

Yes, they are rendered.


A block containing text
will end up in Visio as a group of a drawn box and a text element. An
arrow contains many drawing elements, particularly an arrow point.



Also, an arrow (a 1D element) is somehow interpreted as a 2D element.
This is Visio parlance, which doesn't make much sense to me. In Dia every 
drawing object is defined in both dimesions ;)



Something I don't understand because I think a 2D element cannot be
connected to another 2D element (in Visio at least) and I did manage to
connect an arrow to two objects in Dia.
Yes, the design of Visio and Dia differ. In Dia conections are made with 
handles and connection points, somewhat explained here:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2008-July/msg00086.html


These results inhibit our tool to interpret the flowchart.


I assume that your tool is something you have the source code of?
For Dia it is quite simple to write an own file format exporter, either in 
C or in in Python (see above mentioned thread).


So one way could be to make up some new format only including the 
information your tool needs.


Another option could be to extend the Dia VDX exporter ( 
http://git.gnome.org/browse/dia/tree/plug-ins/vdx/vdx-export.c ) to also 
include connection information.


Also you should be able to deduce this information directly from the Dia 
native format.



Do you know of any good way to migrate a diagram from DIA to VSD without
the loss (or change of) information?
Nope. I even think such a tool is impossible. There are things expressible 
in Dia which are not in Visio. And vice versa.



I did find information about
converting Visio diagrams to DIA, but not the other way round.


Huh? Dia has a VDX importer and an exporter to VDX.

HTH,
Hans

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Re: Mouse wheel zooming (was Re: Dia: Why is it so hard to do simple things? dia-list Digest, Vol 89, Issue 7)

2011-09-20 Thread Michael Ross 
I am afraid my product hummer is on the fritz.  I will have to to be
patient.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Hans Breuer  wrote:

> At 15.09.2011 21:22, Michael Ross wrote:
>
>> Hans,
>>
>> Thank you for your attention.  How does one apply a patch to Dia?
>>
>>  Without a development environment: not at all ;)
>
> Otherwise the first step should be getting the most recent version from
> git, which in this case would already include the patch I linked.
>
> See 
> http://dia-installer.de/**developer/for 
> more details.
>
>
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Re: Opening DIA diagrams in MS Visio

2011-09-20 Thread Valek Filippov 
>
> The product I support can only import Visio diagrams. So I was wondering if
> I can create diagrams in DIA and convert them to VSD.
>
I'm very curious to know what product supports only VSD and nothing else.


>
> Also, an arrow (a 1D element) is somehow interpreted as a 2D element.
>
Arrow in Visio has a "Geometry" part which has regular "2D" drawing
commands.
"1D" section seems to be used only to instruct Visio to keep end points of
the arrow/connector.

Do you know of any good way to migrate a diagram from DIA to VSD without the
> loss (or change of) information?
>
There are no free software tool available to save VSD files at the moment.
Actually there are very limited number of non-MS tools able _to read_ VSD,
that's the reason to be surprised about something which can only read VSD.


> I did find information about converting Visio diagrams to DIA, but not the
> other way round.
>
If by "Visio diagrams" you meant VSD, then at the moment the only free
software tool capable to do it (VSD->SVG) with acceptable quality is this
one:
http://libregraphicsworld.org/news.php?readmore=877

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