Re: haldaemon seems dead...

2010-08-05 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 5 August 2010 18:01:58 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> >> k3b is
> >> moaning that haldaemon is dead
> 
> and so can't work. If it's not hal,
> 
> >> > any
> >> 
> >> ideas what it is? Wonder
> 
> if dbus is being silly...
> 
> >> rpm -q k3b kdelibs
> > 
> > [p...@pb3 ~]$
> 
> rpm -q k3b kdelibs
> 
> > k3b-2.0.0-2.fc14.i686
> > kdelibs-4.4.95-1.fc14.i686
> > 
> >> kdebase-runtime hal-storage-addon
> > 
> > kdebase-runtime doesn't
> 
> exist. I've done a clean reinstall of it, but I
> 
> > suspect dbus is more the
> 
> problem than anything...
> 
> k3b is supposed to have a dependency on
> kdebase-runtime, and some of the hal-related functionality it requires are
> lacking without it and hal-storage-addon
> 
> -- Rex

I have a feeling there was a misunderstanding here...

> >> rpm -q k3b kdelibs
> > 
> > [p...@pb3 ~]$
> 
> rpm -q k3b kdelibs
> 
> > k3b-2.0.0-2.fc14.i686
> > kdelibs-4.4.95-1.fc14.i686
> > 
> >> kdebase-runtime hal-storage-addon
> > 
> > kdebase-runtime doesn't
> 
> exist. I've done a clean reinstall of it, but I

because kdepimlibs broke the quoting... :)
That should be rpm -q k3b kdelibs kdebase-runtime hal-storage-addon  
kdebase-runtime isn't a command. :*)

(Rex, you should rebuild the kdeppimlibs snapshot in kde-redhat ;) )

Ryan

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Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri 13 August 2010 11:36:09 Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler  said:
> > If we really are the only ones true to Fedora's original principles
> 
> As I recall, "upstream, upstream, upstream" was one of those principles
> that you are demanding others now break.

And the same policy that YOU (you as in the Board and FESCo, not Chris Adams 
in particular) are asking us to break with the updates policy and general 
distaste for a fast moving distro.

When it comes down to it, KDE and The Board's Fedora simply don't work 
together, and that is basically what Kev is getting so miffed about, as far as 
I can tell. Yes, he's loud, yes he's fiery, but damn, at least he cares, and I 
don't blame him for caring. He's put a lot of heart and a lot of effort into 
Fedora, as has everyone in the KDE SIG, and the entire Project. We could fork, 
hell the KDE SIG has talked about it in the past, but it hurts everyone 
involved. Everyone.

I've put a lot of thought into simply stepping away from Fedora, at least on 
the KDE end of things if these changes go through because, in some ways, the 
Board's vision will change things for us, and for me in particular. I joined 
Fedora as a distribution whose goals and processes catered towards creating a 
KDE environment which simply kicked ass, was always on the edge of what was 
available (sometimes in front of it)... Yet even now, we can't keep up with 
what (some of) our users want: the latest KDE, on KDE's release day, whether 
it's a major release, or a point release. Yes, not every one of our users is 
this way, but many are, and many use Fedora for this very reason. How do we 
keep everyone happy? If we're a distro pushing the development of open source, 
shouldn't we be pushing it towards those types of users? We could make rawhide 
usable, but that can stub development of some major features, it's a tough 
medium. We could fork Fn+1 even earlier, and make it stabler and have 12 
months in Rawhide... There are solutions to our problems, but endless 
bickering and "oh you should just leave!"s aren't going to solve anything and 
just leave everyone in a pissy and unproductive mood. Personally, it depresses 
the hell out of me.

Btw, everyone seems to be acting really unexcellent to each other... I'm not 
calling anyone, but both "sides" of this are really getting out of control... 
Please keep the mailing list friendly. We don't "have" hall monitors anymore, 
but reading this mailing list shouldn't effect my blood pressure as much as it 
does.

Ryan "just another POV, back to the shadows" Rix

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Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri 13 August 2010 18:44:37 Adam Williamson wrote:
> Perhaps the problem isn't the projects,
> after all?

The KDE Firefox integration patches were written by openSuSE developers, not 
Kev.

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Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 19 August 2010 15:01:17 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Sorry, but I don't think exposing our users to remote arbitrary code
> > execution (!) vulnerabilities just to make web apps a bit faster is a
> > reasonable tradeoff.
> 
> Kevin, if you took off your FSF blindfold you would see that it's better
> for web sites to use JavaScript. If they complied to /your/ wishes we
> would have a thousand proprietary protocols, probably all /closed/
> source, to communicate in between /closed/ source applications. Most
> likely Microsoft or another Closed Source vendor would create a protocol
> standard that applications would adopt, and you yourself would probably
> have to write to! In this situation we have to choose the lesser of two
> evils instead of no evils.

You should meet my friend Chicken Little.

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Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri 29 July 2011 13:10:34 Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
> Interesting message in another list.
> 
> for me fedora  is very slow to get dhcp address.

Reading the hackernews comments on it makes me wonder if this is a very good 
idea. It may work for people in certain usecases, but in the case of Fedora 
probably not so much

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756952
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2757785

for examples

r

> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan 
> Date: Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:51 PM
> Subject: Rapid DHCP
> To: OLPC Devel , OLPC Australia list
> 
> 
> 
> Here's an article that tries to explain why Mac OS is so much faster
> at connecting to networks than Linux and Windows:
> 
> http://cafbit.com/entry/rapid_dhcp_or_how_do
> 
> Could such an implementation be considered for the OLPC OS? XOs go on
> and off the network all the time, as power management kicks in and the
> machines move in and out of AP range (or switch to a different AP).
> This is a disruptive process, and speeding it up would be welcome.
> 
> Sridhar
> 
> 
> 
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
> Engineering Manager
> One Laptop per Child Australia
> M: +61 425 239 701
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Re: PokerTH orphaned

2011-08-01 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 1 August 2011 11:46:00 Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I've just orphaned PokerTH, since I'm trying to free myself some time
> and I don't use it myself.
> 
> PokerTH does not currently build on rawhide, since OpenSSL support has
> been dropped from GnuTLS a week ago (BZ #726697). Getting it to build
> again would then require building against OpenSSL (and asking upstream
> for a GPL license exception), or shipping a private copy of GnuTLS.

I picked up rawhide through F-14. If I cant get this building, I'll orphan it 
again in a week's time.

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Re: PokerTH orphaned

2011-08-01 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 1 August 2011 19:43:37 Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 10:29 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> > On Mon 1 August 2011 11:46:00 Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I've just orphaned PokerTH, since I'm trying to free myself some
> > > time
> > > and I don't use it myself.
> > > 
> > > PokerTH does not currently build on rawhide, since OpenSSL support
> > > has
> > > been dropped from GnuTLS a week ago (BZ #726697). Getting it to
> > > build
> > > again would then require building against OpenSSL (and asking
> > > upstream
> > > for a GPL license exception), or shipping a private copy of GnuTLS.
> > 
> > I picked up rawhide through F-14. If I cant get this building, I'll
> > orphan it again in a week's time.
> 
> Shipping a private copy of GnuTLS would have to get an exception I do
> not think such exception should/would be granted. I can only recommend
> you to look at the NSS OpenSSL compatibility support library and
> patching PokerTH to use it instead of the GnuTLS.

I've talked to a few people about this now, including some folks at PokerTH 
about it, and they're confused as to why this change is happening in GnuTLS at 
all, and your comment in the bug report did not seem to explain it to them; 
could you (or anyone) explain better why OpenSSL support in gnutls is a Bad 
Thing?

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Re: PokerTH orphaned

2011-08-02 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 2 August 2011 11:36:20 Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 08/01/2011 09:44 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> > On Mon 1 August 2011 19:43:37 Tomas Mraz wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 10:29 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
> >>> On Mon 1 August 2011 11:46:00 Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've just orphaned PokerTH, since I'm trying to free myself some
> >>>> time
> >>>> and I don't use it myself.
> >>>> 
> >>>> PokerTH does not currently build on rawhide, since OpenSSL support
> >>>> has
> >>>> been dropped from GnuTLS a week ago (BZ #726697). Getting it to
> >>>> build
> >>>> again would then require building against OpenSSL (and asking
> >>>> upstream
> >>>> for a GPL license exception), or shipping a private copy of
> >>>> GnuTLS.
> >>> 
> >>> I picked up rawhide through F-14. If I cant get this building, I'll
> >>> orphan it again in a week's time.
> >> 
> >> Shipping a private copy of GnuTLS would have to get an exception I do
> >> not think such exception should/would be granted. I can only recommend
> >> you to look at the NSS OpenSSL compatibility support library and
> >> patching PokerTH to use it instead of the GnuTLS.
> > 
> > I've talked to a few people about this now, including some folks at
> > PokerTH about it, and they're confused as to why this change is
> > happening in GnuTLS at all, and your comment in the bug report did not
> > seem to explain it to them; could you (or anyone) explain better why
> > OpenSSL support in gnutls is a Bad Thing?
> 
> Ryan, have you read the initial description of:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460310
> 
> ?
> 
> The problem is that gnutls's openssl compatibility uses the same symbol
> names as openssl itself thus polluting the dynamic linker symbol namespace.
> So if an application uses a library which is linked against openssl (for
> example ldap libs through pam) and uses gnutls-openssl then the ldap
> libraries will end up calling functions inside gnutls-openssl rather then
> inside openssl, since the gnutls-openssl symbols are already present in the
> dynamic linkers symbol namespace. This then goes boom big time, since the 2
> are not ABI compatible.
> 
> Since gnutls-openssl is not ABI compatible it should not be using the same
> function / variable names.
> 
> Tomas has chosen to fix this problem by simply disabling the openssl compat
> part of gnutls (which as the above bug shows is broken by design) given that
> only 3 apps use this, this seems like a sane choice to me.
> 
> The best way forward is probably to ask PokerTH upstream to add the
> standard openssl license exception boilerplate to their license, I did
> so successfully with gkrellm and switched to simply using the real openssl.

Makes sense, thanks Hans. :)

I actually talked to them, and they say that openssl is pulled in only for 
linking libcurl, and that PokerTH itself is using gcrypt for the Big Stuff, so 
it should be fairly easy to fix/work around. 

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Beta!!

2011-04-29 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 26 April 2011 21:58:08 Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > it is better to have the package (even if it's poorly
> > maintained) than to not have it at all!
> 
> I think that's where some of us disagree with you.
> 
> Having lots of parts of poor quality doesn't raise the global quality of
> Fedora. Having only a few parts, each of excellent quality, does.

Yeah, it's great until users start leaving for distros which actually have 
packages of stuff they use.

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Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-04 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 4 June 2011 10:54:13 Reindl Harald wrote:
> but is here idiot-day today?

Please stop with this tone, it is very unexcellent behavior towards everyone 
involved in this disucssion.

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Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-02 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 2 February 2010 9:10:13 pm Jesse Keating wrote:
> What functionality has been lost here?

Working KDM, for one... Installing from the live DVD (as Kevin Kofler 
mentioned earlier) is essentially broken if you want KDE as the primary DE but 
choose to install any other comps.

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Re: LD Changes To Implicit DSO Linking Update

2010-02-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Wed 10 February 2010 7:00:42 pm Kevin Kofler wrote:
> It's not in the interest of the GNU project (which GCC is supposed to be a 
> part of) to make it easy to compile code with other compilers!

If that is the case it is extremely short sighted of them.

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Re: kplayer

2010-02-13 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 13 February 2010 4:01:52 am Frode Nicolaisen wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Using the KDE version of fedora 12 and notice that the kplayer doesnt play
> mp3s via samba/networkshares. It plays for some seconds and just crash!
> 
> Anyone know what to do to fix it!?

Please ask this on the proper list for KDE-on-Fedora support.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde

This list is for the discussion of topics related to the development of 
Fedora.

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Re: default fedora-virt-server.ks

2010-02-25 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 25 February 2010 8:59:23 pm Colin Walters wrote:
> I've attached my proposed file, and will commit to spin-kickstarts
> unless there are any objections.

Well, for one you've missed the spins submission deadline for Fedora 13...

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Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 4 March 2010 12:14:55 pm Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >  So please, Fedora KDE users - comment
> >  these changes!
> 
> I prefer to get the releases as KDE releases
> them, instead of having to wait... and wait...
> and wait...
> 
> I scanned the Stability Proposal document that
> had been linked. Here is what I think:
> 
> As I had expected, breaking up the monolithic
> packages into individual packages is a whole lot
> of unnecessary work. Better to provide releases
> as they occur, than to waste time unnecessarily
> breaking down the monolithic packages. To what
> end and benefit? Who, nowadays, doesn't have at
> least one hard drive of at least 80-100GB, likely
> more (I have 3 drives, 2x300GB and1x200GB, the
> latter an old pata that will eventually get
> phased out, and I actually use only about 80GB
> for my own archives! That's a lot of space to
> spare).

If we want to consider shipping a KDE Netbook spin for Fedora 14 (which has 
been thrown out as an idea by a few of us in the SIG as a good idea, and is 
indeed being discussed right now :) ) breaking the packages up would be a Good 
Thing as we could create a smaller, more targeted spin. (imo, others seem to 
disagree) Not everyone has a RealBigHarddrive, unfortunately.

> 
> I think it is unnecessary to provide the latest
> releases for any releases except the current and
> rawhide. If people don't bother to upgrade to the
> current release, then they obviously don't care
> to run a cutting edge system, so there is no
> point in providing it at the expense of a whole
> lot of work. It only takes an evening to download
> a live cd, install it, and do some rudimentary
> configurations. The rest can be achieved as one
> actually uses the system, so there is no excuse
> for not running the latest release. Considering
> that a lot of the work is done by volunteers (or
> are you, all you redhat/fedora people?), this is
> a fabulous system all for free and not even money
> can purchase anything better.
> 
> Yes, it is true that KDE 4 has matured immensely
> and it truly is difficult to notice all of the
> improvements and bug fixes. Nevertheless, I
> personally do enjoy finding the occasional
> irritating quirk disappear after a yum update.
> 
> Definitely, old releases should receive only the
> necessary bug fixes, not new features. This is a
> terrible waste of manpower.

The problem is that there _aren't_ bug fixes for these old releases. When 4.x 
comes out, upstream pretty much drops development on 4.x-1 except for security 
issues which are backported from 4.x. This leaves us in the tough position of 
"oh crap, there's $importantfix, in 4.x, but we either need to *spend the 
manpower* to backport it ourselves, or ship buggy/security-issue-plagued 
software. :( 
As it is, for most of Fn-1 updates, at least in the sig, to 4.x are simple and 
rarely need Fn-1 specific fixes.

> Fedora advertises and distinguishes itself from
> other distros by being cutting edge. This is what
> I expect (although I would not likely jump ship,
> were the aforementioned changes implemented), as
> there is no other distro offering cutting edge
> and stability and quality, as fedora does.
> 
> To save man-hours, it might be better to scrap
> kde-redhat and just stick to updates and updates-
> testing. I would enable updates-testing (and
> sometimes I even pull something off koji
> manually), but many would stick to the safer
> route of just enabling updates.

Again, this would actually take _more_ manpower in the end, if we had QA do 
the testing instead of kde-redhat users. kde-redhat basically ships rawhide 
built for Fn, which is a Good Thing, because it gives the upcoming 
updates/updates-testing release a bunch more testing than sticking it only in 
rawhide would deliver. There's little manpower involved in Rex taking 
rawhide's spec file and sources, throwing them in kde-redhat's mock and 
letting it run (by all means, correct me if I'm wrong, Rex!) and the testing 
is invaluable.

> It is a waste of time for a cutting edge distro
> to support old versions.
> 
> I can say, that aside from a very rare scare for
> a night, I have had no reason not to be ecstatic
> about this distro and the benefits of running it.
> No other distro offers what fedora offers.
> 
> The musings of an avid fedora user.

The ramblings of an avid fedora user :)
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Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 6 March 2010 5:54:11 pm Conrad Meyer wrote:
> All Fedora developers are people, too -- please remember to show 
> some respect.

"Be excellent to eachother"
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Our_Community

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Re: Problem regarding to wlan0...

2010-04-12 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 12 April 2010 2:12:17 pm Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> An intriguing problem happened. I use a notebook with FC12 usually in
> WiFi environment. It never failed to detect wireless lans. Then I
> plugged it to eth0. Ok, it detected eth0 but now wlan0 is disabled & I
> get an "unknown error 132" whenever service network restart or anything
> like that is tried. Also it is impossible to activate wlan0 through
> NetworkManager.

Have you, ya know, Filed A Bug?


> Best regards,
> 
> Casimiro Barreto

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Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-12 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote:
> I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support
> as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase
> back to the one that can actually be used?

Sure, try `man yum`.

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Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Rix
On Wed 14 April 2010 6:53:24 am Thomas Janssen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala  
wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote:
> >> On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote:
> >>> I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support
> >>> as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase
> >>> back to the one that can actually be used?
> >> 
> >> Sure, try `man yum`.
> > 
> > You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a
> > good distribution for great public?
> 
> We *have* a good distribution for great public. Kaddressbook works as
> expected for me. If you have a problem with it, ask for help and you
> get help.
> You got the right answer for what you asked. *You* want the older
> version. Good luck downgrading and have fun with it.

I suggested that Juha fix his issue by downgrading simply because of this. 
He was the same person who has been complaining about KAddressbook in 4.4 
since its initial release, two months ago.

Ryan

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Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Rix
On Wed 14 April 2010 2:12:36 pm Matt McCutchen wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:03 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> > You should have given this
> > answer to Tuju's original question rather than snippily dismissing it.
> 
> Whoops, sorry, I confused Rex Dieter with Ryan Rix.  That remark was
> meant for Ryan, not Rex.

The problem I had with the thread, and the reason I originally was so snippy 
was because Juha is complaining about the same update that, for better or 
worse, the KDE SIG to stable.[1] My apologies if I've offended anyone, but 
if the same user posts the same complaint two months later without any 
effort to solve it for themselves (pulling kdepim 4.3 from koji? yum 
history? yum downgrade?) just sounds like trollbait to me.

Ryan

[1]: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/132221.html

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Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)

2010-04-19 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 19 April 2010 3:51:23 pm Slava Zanko wrote:
> Hi folk,
> 
> I want to propose new idea about names of command line utilites...
> 
> For example, all present utilites have sence just for guru's (ls, rm,
> fsck etc), but for novies it's hard to use. Is good idea to symlink'ing
> (shell aliasing) these and much more utilz to another names? Like to:
> 
> ls -> filesystem.list
> rm -> filesystem.remove
> fsck.* -> filesystem.check.*
> mkfs.* -> filesystem.make.*
> convert -> media.convert.image
> mencoder -> media.convert.video
> oggenc -> media.convert.audio.ogg
> mplayer -> media.player.*
> 
> etc
> 
> This idea will be easy to realize (need to make at first time one rpm
> package with lot of symlinks... and then long-time work in all present
> rpm-packages for respect this technology). But we need for
> standartization of alias names... in ideal case, standartization must
> touch all distros (new standard?)
> 
> P.S. This not my idea. Originally from:
> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&;
> eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.org.ru%2Fforum%2Ftalks%2F4797323&sl=ru&tl=e
> n
> 
> Thanks for attention.

I'm against making a mess of PATH with a crapload of symlinks. 
If this were to happen, it should happen at a bashrc alias level, and even 
then I'm still against it. 

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Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 25 April 2010 2:55:58 pm Kevin Kofler wrote:
> They still suck in the system integration 
> domain in many ways, e.g. openSUSE's KDE integration patches have yet to
> be  merged, and of course our maintainers refuse to merge openSUSE's
> patches due to the usual trademark concerns

In their defense, those patches are fairly messy.

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Re: os

2010-04-28 Thread Ryan Rix
On Wed 28 April 2010 8:33:30 pm Roopesh Majeti wrote:
> Even iam interested to test it, if more information is provided.


Kay? And what does this have to do with the development of _Fedora_? This 
should be taken off-list, rather than keeping it onlist

Ryan

> 
> Regards
> RM
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Chris Jones 
wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:50 PM, jerrick Davis 
> > 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I made a operating system anyone up for testing it for me
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > Lama boy ;-)
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > devel mailing list
> >> > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > I'm happy to test it out. If your interested, send me an email with 
some
> > more details. As others have mentioned, we need more information.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Jones
> > Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer
> > ABN: 98 317 740 240
> > 
> > Photo Resolutions
> > Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com
> > Email: 
> > 
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Re: Released 2 projects (SaltOS and RhinOS) under GPL-3.0

2010-11-30 Thread Ryan Rix
Also look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ISV_Welcome if you're 
interested in more of an ISV point of view. Not sure if the ISV sig is 
still active, but there are enough people who care that we can find you 
some place :)

On 11/30/2010 01:04 PM, William Lima wrote:
> Hello Sanz,
>
> Take a look at:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group
>
> and
>
> irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-devel
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Josep Sanz  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I send this email to inform you that we have released under GPL-3.0 two 
>> projects:
>>
>> - SaltOS: is an ERP / CRM / Management Suite, ideal for freelancers and SMEs.
>>
>> - RhinOS: is a solution to have a professional website, ideal for any web 
>> project.
>>
>> You can find more information at http://www.ws3.es
>>
>> I would like to suggest these programs (especially SaltOS) as tools to be 
>> included in the Fedora distribution. What do we do? Where do we contact?
>>
>> We remain at your disposal for any clarification or suggestion.
>>
>> Josep Sanz.
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Summer Coding 2011 -- Do *you* have any ideas?

2011-01-09 Thread Ryan Rix
Hey Fedorans!

Do you have a pet feature in Fedora or in our project's infrastructure that 
you've wanted to implement for a while but lack the time or desire to 
implement yourself? Do you want to see something awesome happen this summer? 
Do you want to see students working on Fedora, and getting involved in our 
community working full time on someone else's dime? ;)

If you can answer any of those questions with a 'yes!' then you are cut out to 
make yourself a mentor in this summer's Summer of Code. As Karsten posted[1] 
last week, we need to get things going if we want to participate in Google's 
Summer of Code program.

We need ideas, and we need mentors. If you are interested in working with a 
University student this summer on $pet_feature or $pet_project, please add 
your idea to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2011 so 
that we have a ton of ideas to apply not only to our application for Google's 
Summer of Code, but also our own Fedora Summer Coding adventures!

Best,
Ryan Rix

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GSoC 2011 Ideas Needed!

2011-02-08 Thread Ryan Rix
Hey guys gals and other hackerfolk!

Google's Summer of Code is coming up ever so close. We have 20 days until the 
org application opens up, and we need a *LOT* more ideas if we are going to 
have any hope of being accepted. I know there are a lot of awesome ideas out 
there in the community, we just need folks to step up and tell us about them. 
It's free labour, and a great chance to attract new Fedora contributors. 

So, folks, go add ideas to the Ideas page at: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2011

Best!
Ryan Rix

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Re: Fedora 14 Kmess 2.0.6 RPM Packages (i686 & x86_64) :P

2011-03-16 Thread Ryan Rix
Uhm,

KMess is already in our repos, please don't encourage users to install 
random rpms like this.

What usually happens when someone wants an update like this is that they ask 
the maintainer (cc'd) to update the package, and not provide some random 
rpm of questionable quality to the users and developers list. Heck, you 
could even ask SMP if he needed a comaintainer for his package, and release 
a properly integrated and supported release.

Best.
Ryan "This is how we do opensauce properly" Rix

On Wed 16 March 2011 03:24:16 Manuel Escudero wrote:
> I bring to you 32 & 64 bits RPM packages for Kmess 2.0.6.1-0 to install 
on
> your F14 Systems!!!
> 
> I've just finished building and testing them, you can download the 
packages
> from here:
> 
> 32 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/Us6pt
> 
> 64 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/eNrgh
> 
> P.S. I also have the "debuginfo" packages and the "src.rpm" ones, if you
> need them just contact me
> 
> Thanks!
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Fedora accepted in to Google Summer of Code 2011!

2011-03-18 Thread Ryan Rix
Heya folks :)

So... after a year's hiatus, Fedora's been accepted in to Google's Summer of 
Code program for summer 2011!

If you're a university student looking for a job this summer, start thinking 
about some awesome idea that you'd like to make happen in Fedora this 
summer. Applications will open March 28, so start talking with developers in 
IRC and mail, and find something awesome to do! We have a list of some ideas 
at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2011 but don't 
limit yourself to that list. Find a mentor, and make your idea happen!

Mentors should apply to be a mentor[1] in Google's Melange instance. be 
inviting those who are listed on the Ideas page. We've still some work to do 
before the student applications open, some scaffolding to build, and some 
things to decide, so please join in. I'll be sending mentors more information 
soon.

[1]: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/apply_mentor/google/gsoc2011 -- 
we're listed as The Fedora Project

Congratulations, everyone, for the Awesome we're doing!
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Re: chrony as default NTP client?

2010-05-09 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 9 May 2010 10:26:35 am Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mail Lists wrote:
> >The prime motivation of this project is a use case of intermittent
> > 
> > internet connections of 5 mins a day.
> > 
> >   I seriously doubt that is the common use case for majority of fedora
> > 
> > users.
> 
> I think intermittent Internet connections are actually extremely common.
> Think laptops/notebooks/netbooks. For frequent travelers, even only 5
> mins/day of Internet access might be a realistic estimate, though a bit
> extreme. But ntpd is already a FAIL with much more uptime than that.

Here is how I see this: The user installs their system for the first time, 
they set their clock using NTP while they have the connection to the 
internet when they installed their packageset/updates. Now they have an 
accurate clock.

How much drift can happen that each and every time they connect to the 
internet, even if it's only for five minutes, would they need to resync 
their clock? I have NTP disabled altogether on this machine, and since 
I've installed it, it's still within about 5 seconds of my mother's 
Windows machine which _does_ have ntp disabled. 

I find that having NTP enabled in most cases for mobile systems is simply 
unnecessary; there is a large (I would say upwards of 95% in my most 
unscientific guessings) chance that these users aren't going to be doing 
anything which requires their clocks to be synced with any amount of 
precision. And if they are, they should _know_ that and be able to set up 
a tool (whether it is NTP or Crony) themselves. 

Imo the use cases for having a constantly synced-to-the-second clock are 
minimal at best.

> Kevin Kofler

Ryan "All the clocks on my desktop are KDE Plasma's Fuzzy Clock applet 
with about 10 minute precision so who am I to talk?" Rix

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Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 9 May 2010 11:31:21 pm Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote:
> > I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk
> > 1.2.  Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk
> > myself then i'm good to go again. I would regret it if my favorite
> > distro drops the package simply because it's not being maintaned
> > upstream.
> 
> You should be pressuring the author of the game you use to use GTK 2.0.
> If your game is no longer maintained, then you should update it yourself.
> 
> Fedora is based on a principle of being First with software. GTK 1.0
> does not fit into this category any more and hasn't for several Fedora
> releases.

That doesn't mean we should throw it to the wayside. If it works, it works. As 
long as someone is there to maintain it, let them maintain it. If the 
maintainer is willing to keep it going, who cares whether it's in the distro? 
In fact, why is this discussion occuring without the gtk+ maintainer involved? 
You'd think he'd have a say in it before the crowd wantonly decided to drop 
his packages.

Ryan

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Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-10 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 10 May 2010 12:01:01 am Chen Lei wrote:
> Considering fedora 13 just remove ppc arch to secondary arch, it's
> meaningful for fedora to retire some long dead upstream packages as well.
> Maybe it's suitable to retire gtk 1.2 in F14 or F15, then remove it to
> rpmfusion for a compatible reason as python 2.4.

We retired PPC because there wasn't enough manpower behind it. Not because it 
was obsolete. There are still people who have ppc machines, just as there are 
probably still people using gtk+ 1.2-dependant packages. 

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Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-05-15 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 15 May 2010 1:16:26 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Jaroslav Reznik  
wrote:
> > On Friday 05 March 2010 18:37:06 Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> >> Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> >> > As I had expected, breaking up the monolithic
> >> > packages into individual packages is a whole lot
> >> > of unnecessary work. Better to provide releases
> >> > as they occur, than to waste time unnecessarily
> >> > breaking down the monolithic packages. To what
> >> > end and benefit? Who, nowadays, doesn't have at
> >> > least one hard drive of at least 80-100GB, likely
> >> 
> >> You have heard of netbooks, yes? SSD's? I have all of 4 GiB, and not 
all
> >> of that available for packages.
> > 
> > We are planning some splits because we're planning KDE netbook spin.
> > Netbook Plasma is new and very interesting piece of software and of
> > course we'd like to support even old EEE 701 - I have one next to me 
;-)
> > Hopefully it's going to be F14 stuff.
> > 
> > Jaroslav
> 
> I read on few websites that Fedora 13 should have KDE Netbook Plasma
> but I can't see any package in current Fedora 13 repositories. How do
> I turn on KDE Netbook Plasma for Fedora 13?
> 
> Cheers!

The same way you do it for any distro... System Settings->Appearance-
>Workspace, set Workspace Type to Netbook. There aren't any packages to 
install outside of the default kde packages (kdebase-workspace for the 
minimum, or @kde-desktop for the full kde packageset.)

Note that for Fedora 14, we're targeting the creation of a KDE netbook 
spin which will automate all of this...

But this isn't really related to the Development of Fedora at all...

Ryan

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Re: rawhide report: 20100523 changes

2010-05-23 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 23 May 2010 5:22:19 am Rawhide Report wrote:
> kobby-1.0-0.3.b4.fc13.i686 requires libinfinity-0.3.so.0
> kobby-1.0-0.3.b4.fc13.i686 requires libinftext-0.3.so.0
> libqinfinity-1.0-0.2.b4.fc13.i686 requires libinfinity-0.3.so.0
> libqinfinity-1.0-0.2.b4.fc13.i686 requires libinftext-0.3.so.0

I'll be pushing fixed builds for this tonight.

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Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-05-31 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 29 May 2010 11:10:35 pm Matthew Miller wrote:
> And this one is: packages should not print out messages complaining about
> the state of other packages in Fedora. That's not the right process for
> solving those issues. If redhat-lsb is broken, there's a procedure for
> dealing with that, and it isn't "give confusing warnings to the end
> users!"

+1

Airing out our dirty laundry for our users to see is not something that we 
should allow or promote. I'm all for reporting errors, but b*tching to 
users? No. I'm going to file a bug on this if someone else has not.

It's pretty non-excellent of this package's maintainer, but judging by his 
previous actions I am not surprised. He has shown in the past that he has no 
qualms with breaking the "be excellent to eachother" rule.

Ryan

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Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-05-31 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 31 May 2010 1:55:26 pm Paul Wouters wrote:
> since that's the preference
> of the maintainer, which violates fedora packagaging policies

Then a provenpackager should fix it regardless of whether the maintainer "is 
too busy to fix it." and even then, they shouldn't be maintaining packages 
they are too busy to fix! That's just as bad as blatently refusing to fix 
this issue.

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Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-06-02 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 1 June 2010 8:48:02 am Paul Wouters wrote:
> I'm getting seriously tired of this tor package discussion every six
> months. Seriously, just rip out the childish %post crap, and remove
> all the non-fedora initscript sub package nonsense. This is not the
> Enrico Project.

Halfway there, if you're up for testing: 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598213#c3

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Re: Can anyone contact torque/perl-PBS maintainer.

2010-06-08 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 8 June 2010 3:44:53 pm Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Steve Traylen wrote:
> > aalib I'm not interested in, nothing seems to require it.
> 
> aalib is used by several video playing libraries/applications.
> 
> Kevin Kofler

I'll take it over, then. For that reason, and the fact that aalib's demo bb 
is gorgeous.

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Re: dist-git project update

2010-06-11 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 10 June 2010 2:44:47 pm Jesse Keating wrote:
> It's been a while since I last updated folks on dist-git, and in reality
> it's been a while since I last worked on it.  Fedora 13 took up all my
> time.
> 
> Since my last update we've made great progress on fedpkg, the new tool
> that will replace the make system.  It is packaged up with
> fedora-packager and has the ability to do many tasks that our Make
> system handled.  Here is a quick list:
> 
> build
> chainbuild
> clean
> clog
> clone
> compile
> gimmespec
> install
> lint
> local
> mockbuild
> new
> new_sources
> prep
> scratchbuild
> sources
> srpm
> unusedpatches
> verrel
> 
> Many of these targets take optional arguments which extend their
> functionality and replace some other specific Make targets.  This list
> is enough to get us checking code out and in, and building in koji.
> 
> On the koji front we've recently discovered the changes necessary to
> build from dist-git style repos, and those changes are being polished up
> and committed upstream.  We have done multiple builds successfully from
> dist-git repos.
> 
> Where do we go from here?
> 
> We're ready for more wide scale testing, and to facilitate that I am
> refreshing the git repos from current CVS (people with existing clones
> will have to blow them away and re-clone), and getting a koji stage
> instance up that we can build against (with limited builders).  We'll
> then push out another fedora-packager update that has the right URLs to
> build against this stage Koji and announce that it is ready for
> building.
> 
> Based on this testing, and some decisions around git tagging and branch
> usage, we stand a good chance at being able to roll this out prior to
> the F14 branch event.  I hope you are all as excited as I am about this!

How will this affect current packagers' workflow? Will the changes necessary 
be documented on the wiki? It doesn't seem straight off the bat that this 
would be a drop-in replacement without packagers needing to tweak their 
workflow.

Ryan

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Re: (lack of) maintainership of epiphany?

2010-07-19 Thread Ryan Rix
On Mon 19 July 2010 5:44:21 am pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bastien Nocera  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 23:28 +0200, Andreas Tunek wrote:
> >> 2010/7/7 Andreas Tunek :
> >> > On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 16:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 13:59 +0100, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > I wonder about the maintainer ship of epiphany. The ownership of it
> >> >> > is gecko-maint but in none of the current versions of fedora is
> >> >> > epiphany gecko based and of the 18 other maintainers not a single
> >> >> > person is on the bugzilla watch ACL. There's a bug that was
> >> >> > introduced at some point in the F-13 time frame where it crashes
> >> >> > on all the machines I attempt to use it on when it first tries to
> >> >> > load a page, there's quite a few dupes. I'm really surprised that
> >> >> > no one has picked this up.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I thought I had, but it may have been something I filed under 'poke
> >> >> someone about later when I'm not so busy'...
> >> >> 
> >> >> To me it would seem to make sense for the desktop team to own it,
> >> >> since it's a part of GNOME.
> >> >> --
> >> > 
> >> > I can't use Epiphany at all in F12 due to this bug:
> >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=592685
> >> > 
> >> > Haven't had any problems in F13 yet though...
> >> 
> >> Now I get problems in F13, see
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=603358
> > 
> > FWIW, it looks like a WebKitGTK bug when launching pretty much any
> > plugin. Best to try and reproduce the problem with another WebKitGTK
> > browser, and update the bug with actual reproducer instructions.
> 
> Its certainly related to plugins. I don't have flash installed but I
> did have java installed. Now I don't and it doesn't crash. It worked
> fine with the original F-13 release so its regressed along the way but
> it does work with no plugins OK.

Possibly because of this[1] update?

> Peter

Ryan

[1]: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/java-1.6.0-
openjdk-1.6.0.0-39.b18.fc13

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Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd is now the default init system in rawhide

2010-07-24 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri 23 July 2010 18:26:29 Lennart Poettering wrote:
[snip]
> - You can boot into either of them by setting the "init=" kernel cmdline
>   option according to your wishes. If you pass "init=/bin/systemd" you
>   will boot into systemd, if you pass "init=/sbin/upstart" you will boot
>  into upstart (note the /sbin vs. /bin!)
[snip]
>   If systemd does not work for you and you need a temporary fix, pass
>   "init=/bin/upstart" on the kernel command line.

Hmmm? :)

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Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-27 Thread Ryan Rix
On Tue 27 July 2010 16:46:29 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 05:09 AM, Christopher Aillon wrote:
> > On 07/28/2010 12:49 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >>  Non upstreamed patches are not a option for
> >> 
> >> Firefox for trademark reasons as well.
> > 
> > Non upstreamed patches are not an option because it's a pain in the to
> > have to update patches every few weeks for a new FF release.  We
> > either can do patches or take new releases, doing both is just a
> > maintenance nightmare.  Since Fedora is all about doing stuff
> > upstream, it sorts itself out better that way.
> 
> Well yes.  Trademark is not the only reason obviously but I don't want
> to deviate the discussion more.  Is Firefox 4 being considered for
> Fedora 14 or not?

I'd be really bothered with shipping (beta) software where we are more or less 
at the mercy of our upstream wrt possible issues, bugs, etc. Yes, yes, yes, 
I'm probably going to get flamed for that, it's mozilla, we need to work with 
upstream, etc, etc, but would we put other (arguably) crit-path in this 
position, especially at GA? I'm all for Firefox 4, but shipping a Beta in 
which we are limited in what patches we can ship, this late in the release 
cycle, it just really bothers me. 

> Rahul

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Call for Participation - Fedora 14 Talking Points

2010-07-29 Thread Ryan Rix
Hello my Fedora friends!

Talking points are key highlights of the new release. They should be
compelling, but they will not necessarily be comprehensive. There are
different types of talking points for different types of people:
general desktop users/everyone, developers, and sysadmins.  For the
Fedora 14 cycle, we will also have talking points to address some of
the Spins. They are meant to provide a short, effective answer to the
question, "What cool stuff is in the latest release of Fedora?"

Each cycle, the Marketing team compiles a short list of approximately
three talking points for each of these audiences for the upcoming
release. For Fedora 14, they're found here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points

If you have a talking point that you feel meets the criteria found on
the talking points SOP page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP, add it to the the
table on the F14 page with supporting information. Please make your
contributions and changes on the wiki page, so that the Marketing team
can efficiently capture and consider your input.

The Marketing team will make final adjustments to the list of talking
points at their meeting on August 3, which will be announced on the
marketing list and is open to everyone.  If you are interested in
attending the meeting, the agenda, location, and time details can be
found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings.  Following
the meeting, the finalized list of talking points will be announced,
and posted to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points.

We welcome you to participate in the process!

All the best!
Ryan Rix

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Re: selinux issue with wine

2010-07-29 Thread Ryan Rix
On Wed 28 July 2010 02:38:24 Ankur Sinha wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I've recently come across an selinux issue.
> 
> Is this another selinux issue with the package?

The detailed description says exactly why the notice came up, dude. It's not 
an SElinux issue, it's a windows-applications-trying-to-do-stupid-things-with-
memory-that-is-barely-okay-in-windows issue.

> (I don't want to switch off selinux.)
> 
> regards,
> Ankur
> 
> > Summary:
> > 
> > SELinux has prevented wine from performing an unsafe memory operation.
> > 
> > Detailed Description:
> > 
> > SELinux denied an operation requested by wine-preloader, a program used
> > to run Windows applications under Linux. This program is known to use an
> > unsafe operation on system memory but so are a number of malware/exploit
> > programs which masquerade as wine. If you were attempting to run a
> > Windows program your only choices are to allow this operation and reduce
> > your system security against such malware or to refrain from running
> > Windows applications under Linux. If you were not attempting to run a
> > Windows application this indicates you are likely being attacked by some
> > for of malware or program trying to exploit your system for nefarious
> > purposes. Please refer to
> > http://wiki.winehq.org/PreloaderPageZeroProblem Which outlines the other
> > problems wine encounters due to its unsafe use of memory and solutions to
> > those problems.
> > 
> > Allowing Access:
> > 
> > If you decide to continue to run the program in question you will need to
> > allow this operation. This can be done on the command line by executing:
> > # setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1
> > 
> > Fix Command:
> > 
> > /usr/sbin/setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1
> > 
> > Additional Information:
> > 
> > Source Context   
> > unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 Target Context  
> >  unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 Target Objects 
> >   None [ memprotect ]
> > Sourcewine-preloader
> > Source Path   /usr/bin/wine-preloader
> > Port  
> > Host  localhost.localdomain
> > Source RPM Packages   wine-core-1.2.0-1.fc13
> > Target RPM Packages
> > Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.7.19-39.fc13
> > Selinux Enabled   True
> > Policy Type   targeted
> > Enforcing ModeEnforcing
> > Plugin Name   wine
> > Host Name localhost.localdomain
> > Platform  Linux localhost.localdomain
> > 
> >   2.6.33.6-147.fc13.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 6
> >   22:32:17 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64
> > 
> > Alert Count   7
> > First SeenWed 28 Jul 2010 14:52:13 IST
> > Last Seen Wed 28 Jul 2010 15:05:01 IST
> > Local ID  31ffc502-0121-44b8-8cf1-5e02ad32fca1
> > Line Numbers
> > 
> > Raw Audit Messages
> > 
> > node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1280309701.355:60): avc: 
> > denied  { mmap_zero } for  pid=11268 comm="wine-preloader"
> > scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> > tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> > tclass=memprotect
> > 
> > node=localhost.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1280309701.355:60):
> > arch=4003 syscall=90 success=no exit=-13 a0=ffe19130 a1=0
> > a2=ffe19130 a3=5a items=0 ppid=11109 pid=11268 auid=500 uid=500 gid=500
> > euid=500 suid=500 fsuid=500 egid=500 sgid=500 fsgid=500 tty=(none) ses=1
> > comm="wine-preloader" exe="/usr/bin/wine-preloader"
> > subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)

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Re: BlueZ Status in Fedora.

2013-08-18 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 18 August 2013 10:00:22 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:40:54 +0200
> 
> Rave it  wrote:
> > I don't see that adding a bluetooth-panel-applet package is easy for
> > mate/xfce/lxde. First tests shows me that the removed panel code from
> > gnome-bluetooth isn't independent from the the rest of the code. I
> > quess for this reason the gnome dev didn't
> > remove /usr/lib64/gnome-bluetooth/libgnome-bluetooth-applet.so.0,
> > which is in latest upstream.
> > 
> > Ok, i need really help to create such a package.
> > 
> > But there is also another simple solution
> > gnome-bluetooth dev should add the removed (fallback) panel applet
> > code back. I'm pretty shure that is more easier for someone who knows
> > the code to do that.
> > 
> > If gnome-bluetooth is the only client after the bluez5 switch which
> > is working in fedora, than it should be work for all desktops, imo.
> > 
> > So adding the applet back would be a noble gesture from gnome to
> > other desktops ;)
> > 
> > PS: i think cinnamon is also affected, because so far i know use
> > cinnamon blueman code in the momment. But i'm not shure in this point.
> 
> I've exchanged some emails with the author of
> https://github.com/ncopa/xfce-bluetooth
> 
> Unfortunately, the code there is in very early alpha stage. It doesn't
> do a whole lot yet. He's happy to have any help implementing things,
> but makes no promises as to when things will be usable.
> 
> This applet depends on vala and the xfce-vala bindings, so I am not
> sure if it would work for other desktops, but its possible that it
> could.
> 
> If anyone would be interested in helping out with this applet, please
> contact the maintainer.
> 
> For Xfce, we could use this if it becomes usable in time, or we could
> use some other systray producting applet, or we could just not support
> bluetooth from the desktop for this release. ;(

It sounds like BlueZ5 is not ready for Fedora, betwen the "early alpha" XFCE 
code, and shipping git BlueDevil, mate and cinnamon don't appear to work with 
it ... 

Basically we ship Fedora 20 in a state where one only of our major desktop 
environments supports bluetooth in a stable fashion? That seems kind of like a 
disaster waiting to happen.

Ryan

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Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Ryan Rix
My machine suspends to disk when I close the lid while it is unplugged. So ...
Quite often. I would love to see the GRUB menu disabled by default, but I am
also content with doing it myself post-install.

On Mon 11 March 2013 21:51:01 Steve Clark wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 05:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net)
wrote:
> >> Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> >>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press
> >>>>
> >>>> some key at the
> >>>>
> >>>>> right moment?
> >>>>
> >>>> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to
> >>>> get to the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably
> >>>> should entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
> >>>
> >>> Somebody who is capable of installing multiple operating systems on one
> >>> machine should easily be savvy enough to remember that pressing
> >>> shift/esc/space/f2/whatever gets him the boot menu.
> >>>
> >>> If you installed multiple OSes and noticed that the boot menu is gone,
> >>> wouldn't pressing these keys be your natural reaction anyway?
> >>
> >> My natural reaction would be to curse whoever is making me waste minutes
> >> in press-random-keys-to-see-if-you-can-unlock-boot games to "win" a few
> >> seconds. I'm pretty sure any poll would find the same result.
> >
> > My natural reaction to the current grub2 menu that steals my boot is
> > that I start to hate Fedora and Linux for that we waste our time in ugly
> > boot menus and bikeshedding about them.
> >
> > Lennart
>
> How many times do you boot a day? If it is more than once or twice I would
> posit that is not the normal user. So what is 2 extra seconds?
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Re: Unresponsive maintainer: Ryan Rix, rrix

2016-04-26 Thread Ryan Rix
Ah yeah, I've been out of touch with Fedora things for quite a while,
and don't see myself having the bandwidth to be repsonsible any time
soon. Sorry about that, not sure how I've missed your emails 'til now.

I've approved pending python-netifaces ACLs, given ownership of pokerth
to itamarjp (who was already an admin) and gave full ACLs of
cowsay-beefymiracle to wwoods (of course). Let me know if I should
orphan python-netifaces or transfer ownership to someone else.

Let me know if I can help further. 

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016, at 01:01 PM, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been trying to contact rrix (Ryan Rix) for some time now to no
> avail. He's unresponsive to bugzilla and his pkgdb registered email
> address. Is anyone in contact with him? I'm sending this email per the
> unresponsive package maintainer process.
> 
> Ryan is primary contact for:
> 
> rpms/cowsay-beefymiracle -- Cowsay file for the Beefy Miracle ( master
> f24 f23 f22 )
> rpms/pokerth -- A Texas-Holdem poker game ( master f24 f23 f22 )
> rpms/python-netifaces -- Python library to retrieve information about
> network interfaces ( master f24 f23 f22 epel7 el6 el5 )
> 
> There are outstanding ACL requests for python-netifaces which have
> been waiting for a very long time. I emailed him on 9th March and have
> not had a response. BZ asking for a response:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1327545
> 
> Cheers,
> Jonathan.
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Re: Does anyone know how to contact Ryan Rix (rrix)?

2021-06-11 Thread Ryan Rix
> I sent this thread via direct message to rrix's Twitter account.

Hi all,

Thanks to Ben for reaching out on twitter; It's fair to say i'm inactive in 
Fedora these days, to say the least. I thought i'd orphaned all my packages the 
last time this came up but I will go through the process again once 
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages stops giving me a 503 error.

rrix
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Re: Does anyone know how to contact Ryan Rix (rrix)?

2021-06-11 Thread Ryan Rix
Thanks Kevin,

I've orphaned python-netifaces 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-netifaces ; i also have ACLs on 
fedora-bookmarks which I wasn't able to remove from myself. 

If someone wants to take cowsay-beefymiracle from me i'll be happy enough to 
hand to an active packager, its spec file is bigger than the installed file, if 
i recall correctly

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