Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Mat Booth
Hi all,

I can't find the Java bindings for libnotify -- I thought they would
be in libgnome-java, but I guess not.

So a couple of questions for the Gnome Desktop team:

And are there plans to package java-gnome?

If not and I were to package it myself, should java-gnome obsolete
libgnome-java?

>From the website I get the impression that java-gnome supersedes
libgnome-java entirely.

Thanks for any insight.
Mat

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
> Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't
> generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. "no" is a strong word!

And yes, these are users who have subscribed to updates-testing. My wife 
bitterly complains about the amount of updates she is getting through 
F12/updates already, so I will have to switch her to something more 
reasonable for normal users (probably CentOS 6, when it will become 
available).

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 15.3.2010 01:59, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
> Where's the evidence for that? I haven't noticed anything like that at all!

Isn't it because KDE was always pushing huge amounts of updates, so 
there is no change for you? Just asking ...

I (and especially my wife who started to bitterly copmlain about this to 
me to the level I plan to switch her to something more stable) certainly 
see this.

Matěj

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/15/2010 12:54 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
>> Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't
>> generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. "no" is a strong word!
>
> And yes, these are users who have subscribed to updates-testing. My wife
> bitterly complains about the amount of updates she is getting through
> F12/updates already,
And she doesn't complain about the unfixed bugs she is suffering from?

This is what I am actually complaining about and what hinders me to 
switch my wife's personal machine to Fedora.

 > so I will have to switch her to something more
> reasonable for normal users

If Fedora KDE updates are a problem to here: Simply don't install it and 
these won't be an issue to her.

> (probably CentOS 6, when it will become
> available).

LOL, ... I am expecting Fedora to experience a significant reductions of 
contributors, when CentOS6 will become available, because Fedora 
contributors will switch away from using Fedora.

Cause: The current buggyness of Fedora.

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 14.3.2010 09:59, Jon Masters napsal(a):
> Somewhat shockingly, some people do use Fedora for day to day stuff.

Don't worry they will stop soon. After all (quoting one post which I am 
sorry got burried somewhere down the thread leaves):

$ Contributors are what makes Fedora grow and advance as a project.
$ Users are only benefitting from our (the contributors') work as a
$ side effect.

We should all think about this sentence and its consequences.

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Re: Adding two packages to comps

2010-03-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 14.3.2010 01:56, Hicham Haouari napsal(a):
> I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
> - ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
> - linux-atm to dial-up group as default

And both of the are in agreement with our licensing policies, right? 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/LicensingGuidelines

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Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Monday 15 March 2010, Mat Booth wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I can't find the Java bindings for libnotify -- I thought they would
> be in libgnome-java, but I guess not.
> 
> So a couple of questions for the Gnome Desktop team:
> 
> And are there plans to package java-gnome?
Hi Mat, 
I'm not in the Gnome Desktop team but:
There have been several attempts to package java-gnome. Latest one is pending 
review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551587 .
Previous one is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438452 .
I think that this is long enough period it hasn't received any attention so 
just go on review it and get it included in fedora.


> 
> If not and I were to package it myself, should java-gnome obsolete
> libgnome-java?
According to the rhbz#438452 there shouldn't be any conflicts between the old 
one and java-gnome but if there is nothing in Fedora that requires libgnome-
java and doesn't work with the new java-gnome we should obsolete it.

Alex

> 
> >From the website I get the impression that java-gnome supersedes
> 
> libgnome-java entirely.
> 
> Thanks for any insight.
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Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 15.3.2010 13:43, Alexander Kurtakov napsal(a):
> According to the rhbz#438452 there shouldn't be any conflicts between the old
> one and java-gnome but if there is nothing in Fedora that requires libgnome-
> java and doesn't work with the new java-gnome we should obsolete it.

java-gnome 2.* used to be packaged even officially by a Red Hat employee 
as a part of Frysk project. Since then Frysk has been abandoned (or 
whatever is its current official status) and I believe nobody seriously 
touched any java-gnome stuff at all, and nobody seems to require it.

Matěj

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Re: PyGame

2010-03-15 Thread Jon Ciesla
Christopher Stone wrote:
> Can someone update pygame for me? I don't have time and several people
> have been complaining.
>
> TIA
>   
Done.

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Re: Gold timings

2010-03-15 Thread Michal Nowak

- "Michal Nowak"  wrote:

> - "Ian Lance Taylor"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Tom Tromey pointed me at your message
> >
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/133039.html
> 
> Hi Ian.
> 
> > I was curious what you are timing when you compare ld and gold.  Is
> > that the total time that it takes to build the package, or just the
> > time that the linker runs?
> 
> You may be familiar with Mock which builds source RPMs in chroot. Mock
> 
> prepares build root (e.g. fedora-12-x86_64), installs BuildRequires,
> and builds given SRPM. Such a build should be repeatable. What is
> done
> is that run of this `mock' process is timed -- bad thing obviously
> here
> is that the build time includes part which is not related to build
> itself
> (i.e. build root preparation, package installation), however good is
> that
> the unrelated time is pretty much constant among runs.
> 
> If anyone knows hot to measure just the build time, I'd be glad to
> know.
> 
> > As you mention, xulrunner and thunderbird are much slower, which is
> > rather odd and completely contrary to my own testing.  Do you know
> if
> > those builds use linker scripts?  Do you have the build logs?
> 
> Unfortunately logs are gone with my yesterday's reinstall. However I
> am
> building xulrunner and thunderbird right now on different box. Will
> let
> you know till Monday.
> 
> No idea about the linking script since logs are gone.
> 
> > Also, what sort of machine were you running this on, and how much
> RAM
> > did it have?
> 
> Dualcore, Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5110 @ 1.60GHz, 2GB RAM, 4GB swap.
> 

Ian -

> > I'd certainly like to get to the bottom of any cases where gold is
> > significantly slower than GNU ld.
> > 
> > I'm not on the devel@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list.


Run with gold was run first, build root was cleared afterwards and
run with ld was run then. gold seems to be way slower.

GNU GOLD


[ PACKAGES xulrunner thunderbird REBUILD ]
ld: CVS snapshot from date: 20100312
gcc:gcc-4.4.3-4.fc12 (likely, just a guess)
kernel: Linux  2.6.32.9-70.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Mar 3 04:40:41 UTC 
2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (from this machine)

[1/2]
Package:   xulrunner-1.9.1.8-1.fc12
Time:  18:27.26
Size:  67M
Status:PASS

[2/2]
Package:   thunderbird-3.0.3-1.fc12
Time:  15:55.48
Size:  89M
Status:PASS

==
TOTAL: 2 PASS: 2 FAIL: 0


GNU ld
==

[ PACKAGES xulrunner thunderbird REBUILD ]
ld: binutils-2.19.51.0.14-37.fc12 (likely, just a guess)
gcc:gcc-4.4.3-4.fc12 (likely, just a guess)
kernel: Linux  2.6.32.9-70.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Mar 3 04:40:41 UTC 
2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (from this machine)

[1/2]
Package:   xulrunner-1.9.1.8-1.fc12
Time:  10:00.12
Size:  66M
Status:PASS

[2/2]
Package:   thunderbird-3.0.3-1.fc12
Time:  9:37.08
Size:  87M
Status:PASS

==
TOTAL: 2 PASS: 2 FAIL: 0



Here are the logs: http://people.redhat.com/psklenar/pub/

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Re: Gold timings

2010-03-15 Thread John5342
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:40, Michal Nowak  wrote:
> Run with gold was run first, build root was cleared afterwards and
> run with ld was run then. gold seems to be way slower.

May seem silly but where does the ccache live for mock builds and if
it is outside the buildroot was it cleared too?

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matěj Cepl  wrote:
> Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
>> Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't
>> generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. "no" is a strong word!
>
> And yes, these are users who have subscribed to updates-testing. My wife
> bitterly complains about the amount of updates she is getting through
> F12/updates already, so I will have to switch her to something more
> reasonable for normal users (probably CentOS 6, when it will become
> available).

Would it be ok for your wife to run Fedora N-1 with only security- and
small bugfix-updates?
That would mean, Fedora N-current has the updates people like me loves
and Fedora N-1 (right now F-11) has only small updates like your wife
loves. Would also mean to be one release behind (nothing bad for
people who want less updates IMO).

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Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ville Skyttä  wrote:
>
> If an app uses GTK+ or Qt, does that alone always imply that it satisfies the
> desktop entry spec's requirements for StartupNotify=true, i.e. no further
> examination of the app's behavior is necessary?

The main tricky situation comes when the app implements
single-instance behavior internally, and does some sort of IPC (dbus,
whatever) to talk to an existing instance.  In GNOME 3 this doesn't
matter as much because we do single-instance by default, but otherwise
it's definitely possible to get the stale "Starting foo..." until it
times out.   Actually handling this correctly is tricky[1], and I just
noticed one of my apps doesn't.  Maybe I should really take the plunge
and backport app tracking to GNOME 2 which would obviate this.

But as a general rule: add it.  Even for the IPC case, it only occurs
if the user tries to relaunch an existing app, which (albeit without
data, but with some educated background) is unusual.  Without IPC,
having it has a 99.9% chance of being correct.

[1] libunique handles this, but see also my fix for my app here:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/hotssh/commit/?id=57c43b39413c5128983286f5c09cbaba6b397103

We have plans to basically make all this work out of the box when
using GTK+ but it blocks on gdbus.
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Re: dual lived modules

2010-03-15 Thread Marcela Maslanova

- "Marcela Maslanova"  wrote:

> - "Iain Arnell"  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Paul Howarth 
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:33:31 +0100
> > > Iain Arnell  wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Marcela Maslanova
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> > This should test whether yum can handle lower version in main
> and
> > >> > higher in separated package (Module::Build). The update of
> > packages
> > >> > went fine if 'Obsoletes' is used in new package [2].
> > >>
> > >> Aha. Of course - 'Obsoletes' is necessary, but not why you think.
> >  The
> > >> problem here is that we may be moving from arch-dependent
> packages
> > >> (i.e. 1:perl-Module-Build-0.3500-110.fc13.x86_64) to noarch
> > packages
> > >> (i.e. 1:perl-Module-Build-0.3603-1.perltestrepo.noarch). Even
> > though
> > >> ENVR is higher in the noarch package, yum wont automatically
> update
> > >> from arch-dependant to noarch.
> > >
> > > That shouldn't be the case any more:
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502401
> > > (fixed in F-11, at least it's supposed to be)
> >
> > Hmmn. Confirmed - I have no problem with yum updating from current
> > 1:perl-Pod-Simple-3.07-87.fc12.x86_64 in F12 to locally built
> > 1:perl-Pod-Simple-3.13-1.fc12.noarch. Are you running some old
> version
> > of yum Marcela?
> >
> On F-13? No, I have yum-3.2.26-4.fc13.noarch. Maybe that's some side
> effect
> of my previous experiments. I'll try package more modules and check it
> on clean install. Pod::Simple passed even without 'Obsoletes' so
> that's probably
> not needed at all.
Not sure what was wrong with yum. Now are these updates working.

> 
> Also I'll try to fix 'noarch' in perl.spec.
Fixed.

So, if anyone is willing to start with reviews of sub-packages... I've
added into Draft that I should be co-maintainer, therefore feel free to
take any sub-package you want :)

I suppose we should be careful and don't update in all releases all
modules because of ugly build issues like #564836 and #555420. I suppose
this happened because of changes in Module::Build, but I could be wrong.
Hopefully at least these two will be fixed by update to the latest release.

> 
> Also ;-) If anyone want add/fix something on Drafts below, please do
> so.
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Re:Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Chen Lei
Should we also add  StartupWMClass=someting if StartupNotify=true doesn't work?



在2010-03-15 22:33:58,"Colin Walters"  写道:
>On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ville Skyttä  wrote:
>>
>> If an app uses GTK+ or Qt, does that alone always imply that it satisfies the
>> desktop entry spec's requirements for StartupNotify=true, i.e. no further
>> examination of the app's behavior is necessary?
>
>The main tricky situation comes when the app implements
>single-instance behavior internally, and does some sort of IPC (dbus,
>whatever) to talk to an existing instance.  In GNOME 3 this doesn't
>matter as much because we do single-instance by default, but otherwise
>it's definitely possible to get the stale "Starting foo..." until it
>times out.   Actually handling this correctly is tricky[1], and I just
>noticed one of my apps doesn't.  Maybe I should really take the plunge
>and backport app tracking to GNOME 2 which would obviate this.
>
>But as a general rule: add it.  Even for the IPC case, it only occurs
>if the user tries to relaunch an existing app, which (albeit without
>data, but with some educated background) is unusual.  Without IPC,
>having it has a 99.9% chance of being correct.
>
>[1] libunique handles this, but see also my fix for my app here:
>http://git.gnome.org/browse/hotssh/commit/?id=57c43b39413c5128983286f5c09cbaba6b397103
>
>We have plans to basically make all this work out of the box when
>using GTK+ but it blocks on gdbus.
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[Bug 564999] FTBFS mldonkey-3.0.0-3.fc12: ImplicitDSOLinking

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Re: Gold timings

2010-03-15 Thread Michal Nowak

- "John5342"  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:40, Michal Nowak 
> wrote:
> > Run with gold was run first, build root was cleared afterwards and
> > run with ld was run then. gold seems to be way slower.
> 
> May seem silly but where does the ccache live for mock builds and if
> it is outside the buildroot was it cleared too?

Good point. /var/cache/mock/fedora-12-x86_64/ccache/ holds some data.
So I guess it's *the* (c)cache. And I was not cleaning it... Perhaps 
there's option to clean ccache in Mock?

Will re-run the tests.

Michal

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Re: Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Chen Lei  wrote:
> Should we also add  StartupWMClass=someting if StartupNotify=true doesn't
> work?

You're going to need to elaborate on "doesn't work".

* You don't see a "Starting..." notification in the tasklist in GNOME 2?
* You do, but it times out instead of disappearing when the app window comes up?
* Something else?
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Re: Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
On 15 March 2010 15:07, Colin Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Chen Lei  wrote:
>> Should we also add  StartupWMClass=someting if StartupNotify=true doesn't
>> work?
>
> You're going to need to elaborate on "doesn't work".
>
> * You don't see a "Starting..." notification in the tasklist in GNOME 2?
> * You do, but it times out instead of disappearing when the app window comes 
> up?
> * Something else?

Well, for Firefox at least, it's option 2 and has been for a while (at
least under KDE):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445543

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DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower

2010-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
As some of you may know, DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower.
If you depend on the former, you need to change your rawhide spec
files to depend on the latter. DeviceKit-power will cease to be a
package in devel in a few minutes.

I've not made any changes to F13 branches, as it's too close to
release time for this sort of change. If your project is using
devkit-power-gobject, you can still keep using this, although upower
will only provide this compatibility library for another few months,
and applications are urged to move to libupower as soon as possible.

Thanks,

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Broken dependencies: perl-File-ChangeNotify

2010-03-15 Thread buildsys


perl-File-ChangeNotify has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
perl-File-ChangeNotify-0.12-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(IO::KQueue)
On i386:
perl-File-ChangeNotify-0.12-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(IO::KQueue)
Please resolve this as soon as possible.


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Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Mat Booth
On 15 March 2010 12:43, Alexander Kurtakov  wrote:
>> On Monday 15 March 2010, Mat Booth wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I can't find the Java bindings for libnotify -- I thought they would
>> be in libgnome-java, but I guess not.
>>
>> So a couple of questions for the Gnome Desktop team:
>>
>> And are there plans to package java-gnome?
> Hi Mat,
> I'm not in the Gnome Desktop team but:
> There have been several attempts to package java-gnome. Latest one is pending
> review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551587 .
> Previous one is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438452 .
> I think that this is long enough period it hasn't received any attention so
> just go on review it and get it included in fedora.
>
>

Thanks for the links Alex. The ticket blocks FE-NEEDSPONSOR, so I will
need a promotion first. I have asked on the ticket if he is still
interested in continuing the review.


>>
>> If not and I were to package it myself, should java-gnome obsolete
>> libgnome-java?
> According to the rhbz#438452 there shouldn't be any conflicts between the old
> one and java-gnome but if there is nothing in Fedora that requires libgnome-
> java and doesn't work with the new java-gnome we should obsolete it.
>
> Alex
>


As Matěj points out, it would seem that Frysk still needs it.

I would would very much like to use java-gnome's libnotify API for a
proprietary app and this got me thinking, why isn't OpenJDK's
java.awt.SystemTray and java.awt.TrayIcon API implemented using
libnotify?

I don't mean to be rude to whoever wrote the current
java.awt.SystemTray and java.awt.TrayIcon implementations for X, but
it isn't at all integrated into the default desktop's look and feel
and presumably looks just as bad in KDE.

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Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread H . Guémar
frysk is long dead (and who was using it anyway ?), frysk developers
are working on gdb/Archer now.
http://sources.redhat.com/frysk/
I suggest that both frysk and old gnome java wrappers to be dropped
from packages collection.


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Re: Gold timings

2010-03-15 Thread Michal Nowak

- "Michal Nowak"  wrote:

> - "John5342"  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:40, Michal Nowak 
> > wrote:
> > > Run with gold was run first, build root was cleared afterwards
> and
> > > run with ld was run then. gold seems to be way slower.
> > 
> > May seem silly but where does the ccache live for mock builds and
> if
> > it is outside the buildroot was it cleared too?
> 
> Good point. /var/cache/mock/fedora-12-x86_64/ccache/ holds some data.
> So I guess it's *the* (c)cache. And I was not cleaning it... Perhaps 
> there's option to clean ccache in Mock?
> 
> Will re-run the tests.

So, ld and gold are comparable regarding timing.

[ PACKAGES xulrunner thunderbird REBUILD ]
ld: binutils-2.19.51.0.14-37.fc12 (likely, just a guess)
gcc:gcc-4.4.3-4.fc12 (likely, just a guess)
kernel: Linux intel-sdp-01.rhts.englab.brq.redhat.com 2.6.32.9-70.fc12.x86_64 
#1 SMP Wed Mar 3 04:40:41 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (from this 
machine)

[1/2]
Package:   xulrunner-1.9.1.8-1.fc12
Time:  18:50.61
Size:  66M
Status:PASS

[2/2]
Package:   thunderbird-3.0.3-1.fc12
Time:  15:23.98
Size:  87M
Status:PASS

==
TOTAL: 2 PASS: 2 FAIL: 0

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Re: DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower

2010-03-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 15:17:20 +,
  Richard Hughes  wrote:
> As some of you may know, DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower.
> If you depend on the former, you need to change your rawhide spec
> files to depend on the latter. DeviceKit-power will cease to be a
> package in devel in a few minutes.

Is there some reason you aren't doing a provides for the old name so that
things still work? (And presumably an obsoletes as well.)

See: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageNamingGuidelines#Renaming.2Freplacing_existing_packages
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rawhide report: 20100315 changes

2010-03-15 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Mar 15 08:15:09 UTC 2010

Broken deps for i386
--
easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.5
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_job.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_fb.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_x.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_evas.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_txt.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_job.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_fb.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_imf_evas.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libefreet.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_file.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libefreet_mime.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_imf.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_con.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_ipc.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libedbus.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libehal.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_x.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libedje.so.0
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_evas.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_ipc.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_fb.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_file.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_con.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_x.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libedje.so.0
epsilon-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_evas.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_ipc.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_fb.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_file.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_con.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_x.so.0
epsilon-xine-0.3.0.012-9.fc12.i686 requires libecore_evas.so.0
evolution-couchdb-0.3.2-2.fc13.i686 requires libcouchdb-glib-1.0.so.1
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore_txt.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libefreet.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore_file.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libefreet_mime.so.0
ewl-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libedje.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore_txt.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libevas.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore_file.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libedje.so.0
ewl-devel-0.5.2.042-12.fc12.i686 requires libecore_evas.so.0
freehoo-3.5.3-3.fc12.i686 requires libyahoo2.so.10
hornsey-1.5.2-0.1.fc13.i686 requires libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0
inkscape-0.47-6.fc13.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2
inkscape-0.47-6.fc13.i686 requires libMagick++.so.2
inkscape-view-0.47-6.fc13.i686 requires libMagick++.so.2
inkscape-view-0.47-6.fc13.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2
linphone-2.1.1-4.fc12.i686 requires libortp.so.7
murmur-1.1.8-15.fc12.i686 requires libIce.so.33
murmur-1.1.8-15.fc12.i686 requires libIceUtil.so.33
openvas-libnasl-2.0.2-3.fc13.i686 requires libopenvas_hg.so.2
openvas-libnasl-2.0.2-3.fc13.i686 requires libopenvas.so.2
paperbox-0.4.4-2.fc12.i686 requires libtrackerclient.so.0
perl-File-ChangeNotify-0.12-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(IO::KQueue)
php-pecl-imagick-2.2.2-4.fc12.i686 requires libMagickWand.so.2
php-pecl-imagick-2.2.2-4.fc12.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2
pyclutter-gst-0.9.2-1.fc12.i686 requires libclutter-gst-0.10.so.0
q-magick-7.11-6.fc12.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2
rss-glx-0.9.1.p-2.fc13.i686 requires libM

kernel bug or coincidence

2010-03-15 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
hello,

I have experienced a failure like this twice on same day and once in another day

Call Trace:
...
[] kernel_thread_helper+0x7 ...

I have scrolled up and found that there is some sata errors

ata1: limiting speed to
ata1.00: SATA link up ...
...
this happened twice and it happened only with the updated kernel

my yum logs shows

Feb 15 00:35:35 Installed: kernel-PAE-2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i686

I'm now using the previous kernel for days and I've not encountered that error
and DeviceKit does not report any problem

my current kernel is
uname -r
2.6.30.10-105.2.16.fc11.i686.PAE

here are images of the problem

http://uppix.net/d/d/a/c4f09aa4209ac30230080fa5aa52d.jpg

http://uppix.net/b/8/1/e1a430ab2a3e0bb7478feed74eb53.jpg

http://uppix.net/0/0/c/667ca14c8b0da542cd92986de1cf7.jpg
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> How many contributors are interested in only serving themselves? Is that
> what we want to encourage?

I'm going to hazard a guess and say "all of them". It's basic 
psychology; people don't do things that have no (perceived) benefit to 
them. At most ephemeral, that benefit is "karma". Usually it is more 
tangible (money, happiness from helping others, etc and in the Free 
Software world, often "scratching one's own itch").

> By losing users, you lose the
> opportunity for that to even happen or atleast make it significantly
> less likely.

So you prefer to throw our current contributors under the bus in the 
*hope* that by increasing users in general you see an increase in 
contributors?

Okay. Points for long-term thinking. Not so much for watering down 
Fedora into another Ubuntu.

Fedora currently is progressive and aggressive. Maybe moving to 
progressive and conservative will work, but the question I have is how 
effectively can you be progressive without also being aggressive? I 
think there is a danger that development will either falter to follow 
the slowed pace of release, or else have to move to rawhide, which means 
more pain for developers and ergo fewer developers.

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Re: Adding two packages to comps

2010-03-15 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 03/15/2010 08:15 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 14.3.2010 01:56, Hicham Haouari napsal(a):
>> I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
>> - ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
>> - linux-atm to dial-up group as default
> 
> And both of the are in agreement with our licensing policies, right? 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/LicensingGuidelines

I cleared the firmware in the first package, at a minimum.

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Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Rajeesh K Nambiar
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Colin Walters  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For GNOME 3 to more reliably do application tracking, we will be
> associating through startup-notification.  Some background here:
>
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2010-February/011321.html
>
> However for startup notification to work, for compatibility reasons,
> the upstream .desktop file must have StartupNotify=true.  It's come to
> my attention that a lot of .desktop files are missing this, even
> though they use GTK+.  I've written a quick script which heuristically
> examines installed apps (attached); if someone writes the script which
> checks the whole repository, that'd be cool.
>
> If you maintain a desktop app, please check for StartupNotify=true,
> and if your app uses GTK+ or Qt, then please submit a patch *upstream*
> to add it, and at your option apply that patch in Fedora.
>
> Here's sample output from the script on my workstation, which shows a
> vast swath of system-config-* missing it; others of these are false
> positives since they're not user-visible apps.

Upstream just accepted the patch for Meiga :
http://git.igalia.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=meiga.git;a=commitdiff;h=5359f57e2b7d269d860cc4af55b39e07c3b08b5f

>
> [walt...@megatron gtk+ (master)]$ ~/bin/verify-startupnotify.py
> '/usr/share/applications/system-config-date.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/nm-pptp.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/emacs.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/nm-openvpn.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/system-config-boot.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-userinfo.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/livna-config-display.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-authconfig.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/mount-archive.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/fedora-liveusb-creator.desktop' probably
> needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/virt-manager.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/mutter.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/palimpsest.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-userpasswd.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/gnome-shell.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/spring-installer.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-system-control-network.desktop'
> probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/fedora-empathy.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/ca-installer.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/jpackage-logfactor5.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-email.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/paperbox.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/fedora-vagalume.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/eclipse.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/javaws.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-web.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/my-default-printer.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/system-config-users.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/transmission.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/nvidia-settings.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/springlobby.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/redhat-system-config-network.desktop'
> probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/metacity.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/qt4-qtconfig.desktop' probably needs 
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/gnome-glade-2.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/spring.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/compiz-gtk.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/jpackage-chainsaw.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/mozilla-thunderbird.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/nm-connection-editor.desktop' probably needs
> StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/alacarte.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/share/applications/nm-vpnc.desktop' probably needs StartupNotify=true
> '/usr/

rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel auto.ini, NONE, 1.1 perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec, 1.5, 1.6

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3312

Modified Files:
perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 
Added Files:
auto.ini 
Log Message:
* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006



--- NEW FILE auto.ini ---

[metadata_filtering]
filter_from_requires=/^perl(IO::KQueue)/


Index: perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel/perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 13 Mar 2010 20:07:06 -  1.5
+++ perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 15 Mar 2010 16:34:13 -  1.6
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-File-ChangeNotify
 Summary:Watch for changes to files, cross-platform style
 Version:0.12
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DR/DROLSKY/File-ChangeNotify-%{version}.tar.gz
 
@@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ Requires:   perl(MooseX::SemiAfforda
 Requires:   perl(Time::HiRes)
 
 
+%{?filter_from_requires: %filter_from_requires /^perl(IO::KQueue)/ }
 %{?perl_default_filter}
 %{?perl_default_subpackage_tests}
 
@@ -72,6 +73,9 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man3/*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
+- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
+
 * Sat Mar 13 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-1
 - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
 - PERL_INSTALL_ROOT => DESTDIR

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rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-13 perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec,1.5,1.6

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-13
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3608

Modified Files:
perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 
Log Message:
* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006



Index: perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-13/perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 13 Mar 2010 20:10:32 -  1.5
+++ perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 15 Mar 2010 16:35:05 -  1.6
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-File-ChangeNotify
 Summary:Watch for changes to files, cross-platform style
 Version:0.12
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DR/DROLSKY/File-ChangeNotify-%{version}.tar.gz
 
@@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ Requires:   perl(MooseX::SemiAfforda
 Requires:   perl(Time::HiRes)
 
 
+%{?filter_from_requires: %filter_from_requires /^perl(IO::KQueue)/ }
 %{?perl_default_filter}
 %{?perl_default_subpackage_tests}
 
@@ -72,6 +73,9 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man3/*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
+- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
+
 * Sat Mar 13 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-1
 - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
 - PERL_INSTALL_ROOT => DESTDIR

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rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-12 perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec,1.4,1.5

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-12
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3764

Modified Files:
perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 
Log Message:
* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006



Index: perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/F-12/perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 13 Mar 2010 20:10:45 -  1.4
+++ perl-File-ChangeNotify.spec 15 Mar 2010 16:35:30 -  1.5
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-File-ChangeNotify
 Summary:Watch for changes to files, cross-platform style
 Version:0.12
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/D/DR/DROLSKY/File-ChangeNotify-%{version}.tar.gz
 
@@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ Requires:   perl(MooseX::SemiAfforda
 Requires:   perl(Time::HiRes)
 
 
+%{?filter_from_requires: %filter_from_requires /^perl(IO::KQueue)/ }
 %{?perl_default_filter}
 %{?perl_default_subpackage_tests}
 
@@ -72,6 +73,9 @@ rm -rf %{buildroot}
 %{_mandir}/man3/*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
+- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
+
 * Sat Mar 13 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-1
 - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/15/2010 09:43 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>   
>> How many contributors are interested in only serving themselves? Is that
>> what we want to encourage?
>> 
> I'm going to hazard a guess and say "all of them". It's basic 
> psychology; people don't do things that have no (perceived) benefit to 
> them. At most ephemeral, that benefit is "karma".
>   
Well, people can serve themselves but they need to care about more than
*only* that. 
> So you prefer to throw our current contributors under the bus in the 
> *hope* that by increasing users in general you see an increase in 
> contributors?
>   
Nope. I haven't said anything along those lines.

> Okay. Points for long-term thinking. Not so much for watering down 
> Fedora into another Ubuntu.
>   

Fedora is inherently different because of several major reasons ( free
software focus, upstream contributions etc) so I don't feel any
insecurity about all this.

> Fedora currently is progressive and aggressive. Maybe moving to 
> progressive and conservative will work, but the question I have is how 
> effectively can you be progressive without also being aggressive
>   

Fedora is currently disjoint and acts differently based on which set of
packages you are talking about ( KDE vs GNOME,  Firefox et all).
Progressive and aggressive is all fine as part of development branches
as far as I am concerned.  Several other distributions take care of this
disjoint nature by splitting up the repository and having two different
update streams.  With a smaller amount of additional maintenance burden,
we can do this as well.

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Re: DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower

2010-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2010 15:38, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 15:17:20 +,
>  Richard Hughes  wrote:
>> As some of you may know, DeviceKit-power has been renamed to upower.
>> If you depend on the former, you need to change your rawhide spec
>> files to depend on the latter. DeviceKit-power will cease to be a
>> package in devel in a few minutes.
>
> Is there some reason you aren't doing a provides for the old name so that
> things still work? (And presumably an obsoletes as well.)

I'm doing an obsoletes, but I would rather people feel the pain of
having to update the spec files now (early in the F14 cycle) rather
than when we remove the compatibility provides in over a years time,
and when nobody remembers what the new name is.

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Re: Adventurous updates?

2010-03-15 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> But that high-impact bugs in some Fedora Updates have slipped
> through, because their package maintainers had been willing to take
> the risk, and that has prompted some people to try to change that
> part of Fedora.

That's *exactly* what I am afraid of... that Fedora is going to get 
turned into a distribution that is afraid to take risks.

We have plenty of those already. We NEED a distribution willing to take 
risks, because that is how progress happens. (Or at least, how it 
happens at a non-glacial pace.)

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rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel auto.ini,1.1,1.2

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv9087

Modified Files:
auto.ini 
Log Message:
* Mon Mar 15 2010 Chris Weyl  0.12-2
- update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.006



Index: auto.ini
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-File-ChangeNotify/devel/auto.ini,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- auto.ini15 Mar 2010 16:34:13 -  1.1
+++ auto.ini15 Mar 2010 17:06:51 -  1.2
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
 
 [metadata_filtering]
+; IO::KQueue is only useful under BSD :)
 filter_from_requires=/^perl(IO::KQueue)/

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/15/2010 05:36 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> Progressive and aggressive is all fine as part of development branches
> as far as I am concerned.  Several other distributions take care of this
> disjoint nature by splitting up the repository and having two different
> update streams.  With a smaller amount of additional maintenance burden,
> we can do this as well.
Your claim is self-contradictory: Additional repos mean additional 
maintenance burden and additional complexity.

Or did I read your request incorrectly and you are proposing to 
reintroduce a Core+Extra's split?
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/15/2010 10:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 03/15/2010 05:36 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>   
>> Progressive and aggressive is all fine as part of development branches
>> as far as I am concerned.  Several other distributions take care of this
>> disjoint nature by splitting up the repository and having two different
>> update streams.  With a smaller amount of additional maintenance burden,
>> we can do this as well.
>> 
> Your claim is self-contradictory: Additional repos mean additional 
> maintenance burden and additional complexity.
>   
Err, where is the contradiction?  I did clear point out that there is a
additional maintenance burden involved in this but if there is a
necessity for faster updates, it will happen anyway and it already has
elsewhere for various reasons.

> Or did I read your request incorrectly and you are proposing to 
> reintroduce a Core+Extra's split?
>   

You did read it incorrectly.  Splitting up the update stream doesn't
involve going back to core+extras at all.   KDE has a additional repo
already in kde-redhat.sf.net where they have first builds before they
get into the official updates repo..  Accommodating such workflows
within the Fedora infrastructure would allow people who want to move a
newer KDE in older versions, the choice to do so more easily.

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F-13 Branched report: 20100315 changes

2010-03-15 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Mar 15 09:15:27 UTC 2010

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New package aduna-commons-concurrent
Extensions to the Java Concurrency package
New package aduna-commons-text
Manipulate/transform/parse text in various ways
New package libucil
Library to render text and graphic overlays onto video images
New package libunicap
Library to access different kinds of (video) capture devices
New package libunicapgtk
Library to build graphical widgets for the unicap library
New package python-gudev
Python (PyGObject) bindings to the GUDev library
Updated Packages:

R-hdf5-1.6.9-7.fc13
---
* Tue Mar 02 2010 Orion Poplawski - 1.6.9-7
- Rebuild for hdf5-1.8.4.patch1


anki-0.9.9.8.6-2.fc13
-
* Sun Feb 28 2010 Christian Krause  - 0.9.9.8.6-2
- Add a patch to fix a crash when sys tray icon is enabled (BZ 567672)

* Fri Feb 19 2010 Christian Krause  - 0.9.9.8.6-1
- Update to new upstream version
- Remove example files from upstream tarball due to unknown license
- Updated noupdate patch


anyremote-5.1.2-1.fc13
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- Some configuration files and documentation were corrected.


bittorrent-4.4.0-14.fc13

* Thu Feb 25 2010 Paul Howarth  4.4.0-14
- Fix deprecation warnings by using hashlib instead of sha when possible
- Update fastresume patch for additional fix


bluez-4.62-1.fc13
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- Update to 4.61



Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is
>> things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change
>> (a couple of days if its a small one).
>
> If you count all the testing done on prereleases, KDE 4.4.0 actually had
> much MORE than a month of testing before being pushed. Even if you count
> only the stable release, it got more than 2 weeks of total testing before
> the stable push. But the changes between the RCs and the final were fairly
> small.
>
> So please don't overgeneralize claiming all the feature updates which are
> getting pushed are "unbaked".

Kevin, please calm down. You aren't helping yourself - and by extension, 
your constituents (/me waves) - by treating everything said by someone 
not obviously "on your side" as a personal attack.

I don't see anywhere that Stephen was calling current updates "unbaked". 
Stephen is trying to throw some water on the fire /without/ taking 
sides. I can't, unfortunately, say he is succeeding; not because of his 
own efforts - which I find to be of very high quality - but... well, 
because certain parts of the fire just seem to burn hotter no matter what.

So, please, take a step back, and try seeing if maybe, just maybe, your 
views aren't as incompatible as you think.

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Re: Adding two packages to comps

2010-03-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hicham Haouari (hicham.haou...@gmail.com) said: 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
> - ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default

Sure.

> - linux-atm to dial-up group as default

What specific cases does this allow access for that we don't
already cover? I don't see PPPoA there, for example, although
I could be missing something.

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Jochen Schmitt
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Am 15.03.2010 18:15, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
>
> You did read it incorrectly.  Splitting up the update stream doesn't
> involve going back to core+extras at all.   KDE has a additional repo
> already in kde-redhat.sf.net where they have first builds before they
> get into the official updates repo.. 
Sorry, from my point of view this is not a solution for KDE.

If you may take an update on KDE, this may indicate an update of Qt
which cause additionally depended updates on other packages like
stellarium or luma. So the main issue is to coordinate the updates of
all of this packages to avoid failing applications by the end-user.

Best Regards:

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Re: Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Mary,

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Mary Ellen Foster  wrote:
>
> Well, for Firefox at least, it's option 2 and has been for a while (at
> least under KDE):
>    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445543

I guess I should take some time to fix the most important app, yes.
This turned out to be a Fedora bug; we had a BuildRequires on
libstartup-notification, but didn't enable it in our mozconfig.  The
attached patch works for me, I'll add it to the bug too.
? .build-1.9.1.8-2.fc12.log
? i386
? xulrunner-1.9.1.8
? xulrunner-1.9.1.8-2.fc12.src.rpm
Index: xulrunner-mozconfig
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/xulrunner/F-12/xulrunner-mozconfig,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -r1.28 xulrunner-mozconfig
--- xulrunner-mozconfig	21 Aug 2009 13:40:34 -	1.28
+++ xulrunner-mozconfig	15 Mar 2010 19:02:44 -
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
 ac_add_options --enable-safe-browsing
 ac_add_options --enable-extensions=default,python/xpcom
 ac_add_options --enable-libnotify
+ac_add_options --enable-startup-notification
 
 export BUILD_OFFICIAL=1
 export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1
Index: xulrunner.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/xulrunner/F-12/xulrunner.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.183
diff -u -r1.183 xulrunner.spec
--- xulrunner.spec	17 Feb 2010 14:30:57 -	1.183
+++ xulrunner.spec	15 Mar 2010 19:02:44 -
@@ -471,6 +471,9 @@
 #-
 
 %changelog
+* Mon Mar 15 2010 Colin Walters 
+- Reenable startup notification support, closes #445543
+
 * Wed Feb 17 2010 Martin Stransky  - 1.9.1.8-2
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Re: Adventurous updates?

2010-03-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Matthew Woehlke  wrote:
> Michael Schwendt wrote:
>> But that high-impact bugs in some Fedora Updates have slipped
>> through, because their package maintainers had been willing to take
>> the risk, and that has prompted some people to try to change that
>> part of Fedora.
>
> That's *exactly* what I am afraid of... that Fedora is going to get
> turned into a distribution that is afraid to take risks.
>
> We have plenty of those already. We NEED a distribution willing to take
> risks, because that is how progress happens. (Or at least, how it
> happens at a non-glacial pace.)

Managing risk does not mean running away from it. The problem with
many in the conversation is an implicit assumption that people are
wanting that by default. There could be multiple ways to manage risk..
its a matter of finding out if a method is a good one, a bad one, can
be improved, or can be thrown away. So some people would like the
quality of updates to go up, some people would like to have what they
consider un-needed bureaucracy go away, and there may be ways to do
both... but first people have to sit down and listen to each other
versus throwing emails back and forth about how horrible someone else
is.

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Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting tomorrow at 19:00UTC (3pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

NOTE: The Meeting Time has CHANGED. See above. 

Followups: 

#351 Create a policy for updates

New Business: 

#353 provenpackager request for walters
#352 Proposal: Fesco should have a procedure for removing members of fesco.
#354 Desktop Spin size change should get a feature page
#346 Drop LSB package
#347 tor is not compliant with Fedora guidelines
#355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain and upgrade 
path
#348 Fedora Packaging Committee items for ratification (2010-02-24): 

Complex Font Template fix:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fix_Complex_Font_Template%28draft%29 

Which files to include in python modules:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_py_removal%28draft%29

- Fedora Engineering Services Tickets/Updates. 
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/

assigned tickets / status update: 

#2 SIGs roundup and pinging - jds2001
#5 Fix broken dependencies - itmarjp
#6 Fix packages that fail to build from source - bruno
#7 spec cleanup task: fix the need for perl (etc) in scriptlets - mmcgrath
#8 Document Fedora as android devel platform - stickster

unassigned tickets: 

#4 tool idea: script to evaluate buildroot poisoning

Open Floor

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor.

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Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain
> and upgrade path

Does this one really have to wait for a meeting?  It's a pretty straight
forward case, deps are broken, it couldn't have been installed anywhere
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Re: Adding two packages to comps

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 14:31 +, Hicham Haouari wrote:
> Hi Rex,
> 
> - ueagle-atm4-firmware, is a firmware for ADSL USB Modems used by a
> lot of countries in Europe and Africa; adding it to the livecd and
> installation dvd will make installation easier for those people.

Shouldn't it be in the kernel firmware package, then?
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Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:09 -0700
Jesse Keating  wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain
> > and upgrade path
> 
> Does this one really have to wait for a meeting?  It's a pretty
> straight forward case, deps are broken, it couldn't have been
> installed anywhere to begin with.

oh? I'm a bit confused there...you can install the package just fine by
itself. It's just if you try and install enlightment or have
enlightenment's stack installed that it fails. So, most people wouldn't
have it installed due to the broken dep, but you can indeed install it
by itself ok. 

[r...@ohm ~]# yum install embryo
Loaded plugins: changelog, presto, refresh-packagekit, security
Setting up Install Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package embryo.x86_64 0:0.9.9.063-1.fc13 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

==
 Package   Arch  Version  Repository
 Size
==
Installing:
 embryox86_640.9.9.063-1.fc13 fedora
 88 k

Transaction Summary
==
Install   1 Package(s)
Upgrade   0 Package(s)

Total download size: 88 k
Installed size: 199 k
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata
fedora/prestodelta |  46 kB 
00:00 
Processing delta metadata
Package(s) data still to download: 88 k
embryo-0.9.9.063-1.fc13.x86_64.rpm |  88 kB 
00:00 
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
  Installing : embryo-0.9.9.063-1.fc13.x86_64   
  1/1 

Installed:
  embryo.x86_64 0:0.9.9.063-1.fc13  
  

Complete!

[r...@ohm ~]# yum install enlightenment
Loaded plugins: changelog, presto, refresh-packagekit, security
Setting up Install Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package enlightenment.x86_64 0:0.16.999.050-5.fc12 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: libefreet.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_evas.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_x.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_imf.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_txt.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_ipc.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libehal.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_file.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libefreet_mime.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libedbus.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_imf_evas.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_job.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libevas.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libedje.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_con.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: libecore_fb.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
enlightenment-0.16.999.050-5.fc12.x86_64
--> Running transaction check
---> Package e_dbus.x86_64 0:0.5.0.050-3.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package ecore.x86_64 0:0.9.9.050-7.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package edje.x86_64 0:0.9.9.050-6.fc12 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: libembryo.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.x86_64
---> Package efreet.x86_64 0:0.5.0.050-5.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package evas.x86_64 0:0.9.9.050-3.fc12 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.x86_64 (fedora)
   Requires: libembryo.so.0()(64bit)
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest


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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 21:23 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> 
> If we assumed that the people who had been registered in FAS for over
> 6 months and had signed the CLA met the first two definitions, you
> would need to randomly select about 3000 of them and have at least 600
> answer the poll to have (i think) a 90% confidence level in the poll.
> I think the questions need to be simple yes/no ones to qualify for the
> 'easiest' tests, multiple choice results require something like
> multiple asking worded slightly different or some such thing. Again
> this is from a class I took 20 years ago so a real mathematician,
> psychologist, etc would know better.
> 
> 

This unfortunately would also be a very selective set of folks, as it
wouldn't include any of our pure users, who aren't contributors via FAS.

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Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:09 -0700
> Jesse Keating  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> > #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain
>> > and upgrade path
>>
>> Does this one really have to wait for a meeting?  It's a pretty
>> straight forward case, deps are broken, it couldn't have been
>> installed anywhere to begin with.
>
> oh? I'm a bit confused there...you can install the package just fine by
> itself. It's just if you try and install enlightment or have
> enlightenment's stack installed that it fails. So, most people wouldn't
> have it installed due to the broken dep, but you can indeed install it
> by itself ok.

That's right, you could install it by itself. It's just nobody would
install it alone. It's only used with enlightenment.

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Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
Hitting an odd error during a build that I've never seen before today,
looks like something to do with recent linker changes.

I maintain a side repo with an mplayer build with VA-API support, so I
rebuild that quite often. If I try and build it on F13 currently, I get
this when linking:

/usr/bin/ld: libvo/vo_vaapi.o: undefined reference to symbol 
'vaGetConfigAttributes'
/usr/bin/ld: note: 'vaGetConfigAttributes' is defined in DSO 
/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation

Left out the cc command as it's *huge*, but it does include -lva .
Building the same .src.rpm for F12, using mock, works fine. The libva
used in both cases is the same code, built from the same .src.rpm .

What's different in F13 that causes this to fail? How do I fix it?
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Roland Grunberg
>/usr/bin/ld: libvo/vo_vaapi.o: undefined reference to symbol 
>'vaGetConfigAttributes'
>/usr/bin/ld: note: 'vaGetConfigAttributes' is defined in DSO 
>/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
>/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation

>What's different in F13 that causes this to fail? How do I fix it?

This is due to a fix in the way ld does linking which is outlined
here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking

There's an example of how to go about fixing this here :
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange

In your case the solution would be to add libva to the linker line.

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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Jesse Keating  wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 21:23 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>
>> If we assumed that the people who had been registered in FAS for over
>> 6 months and had signed the CLA met the first two definitions, you
>> would need to randomly select about 3000 of them and have at least 600
>> answer the poll to have (i think) a 90% confidence level in the poll.
>> I think the questions need to be simple yes/no ones to qualify for the
>> 'easiest' tests, multiple choice results require something like
>> multiple asking worded slightly different or some such thing. Again
>> this is from a class I took 20 years ago so a real mathematician,
>> psychologist, etc would know better.
>>
>>
>
> This unfortunately would also be a very selective set of folks, as it
> wouldn't include any of our pure users, who aren't contributors via FAS.
>

You are correct, a survey of them would not be possible to extend to
an entire population unless the survey was larger.  However one could
consider it  a poll survey of people  who have shown an strong
interest in Fedora. Survey's are in the end only good for certain
things.. figuring out what kinds of groups you are attracting is
something a survey can help answer. However deciding which elevator
algorithm to use in the kernel.. they are not.



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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 17:45 -0400, Roland Grunberg wrote:
> >/usr/bin/ld: libvo/vo_vaapi.o: undefined reference to symbol 
> >'vaGetConfigAttributes'
> >/usr/bin/ld: note: 'vaGetConfigAttributes' is defined in DSO 
> >/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
> >/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
> 
> >What's different in F13 that causes this to fail? How do I fix it?
> 
> This is due to a fix in the way ld does linking which is outlined
> here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking
> 
> There's an example of how to go about fixing this here :
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange
> 
> In your case the solution would be to add libva to the linker line.

Um. As I said in my email, it's already *in* the linker line. That's why
I say it's weird.
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 17:45 -0400, Roland Grunberg wrote:
> > >/usr/bin/ld: libvo/vo_vaapi.o: undefined reference to symbol 
> > >'vaGetConfigAttributes'
> > >/usr/bin/ld: note: 'vaGetConfigAttributes' is defined in DSO 
> > >/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1 so try adding it to the linker command line
> > >/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
> > 
> > >What's different in F13 that causes this to fail? How do I fix it?
> > 
> > This is due to a fix in the way ld does linking which is outlined
> > here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChangeInImplicitDSOLinking
> > 
> > There's an example of how to go about fixing this here :
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange
> > 
> > In your case the solution would be to add libva to the linker line.
> 
> Um. As I said in my email, it's already *in* the linker line. That's why
> I say it's weird.

Also, the "undefined reference to symbol" error is typical for the 'you
left it out of the linker line' situation, but "could not read symbols:
Invalid operation" is not, I've never seen that error before.
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rpms/perl-App-cpanminus - New directory

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-App-cpanminus
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsO20298/rpms/perl-App-cpanminus

Log Message:
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Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-App-cpanminus/devel
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rpms/perl-App-cpanminus/devel .cvsignore, NONE, 1.1 Makefile, NONE, 1.1 sources, NONE, 1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-App-cpanminus/devel
In directory 
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Added Files:
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Log Message:
Setup of module perl-App-cpanminus


--- NEW FILE .cvsignore ---


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Makefile for source rpm: perl-App-cpanminus
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 2010/03/15 22:07:37 spot Exp $
NAME := perl-App-cpanminus
SPECFILE = $(firstword $(wildcard *.spec))

define find-makefile-common
for d in common ../common ../../common ; do if [ -f $$d/Makefile.common ] ; 
then if [ -f $$d/CVS/Root -a -w $$d/Makefile.common ] ; then cd $$d ; cvs -Q 
update ; fi ; echo "$$d/Makefile.common" ; break ; fi ; done
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(find-makefile-common))

ifeq ($(MAKEFILE_COMMON),)
# attept a checkout
define checkout-makefile-common
test -f CVS/Root && { cvs -Q -d $$(cat CVS/Root) checkout common && echo 
"common/Makefile.common" ; } || { echo "ERROR: I can't figure out how to 
checkout the 'common' module." ; exit -1 ; } >&2
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(checkout-makefile-common))
endif

include $(MAKEFILE_COMMON)


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Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-App-cpanminus
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Setup of module perl-App-cpanminus


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Top level Makefile for module perl-App-cpanminus
all : CVS/Root common-update
@cvs update

common-update : common
@cd common && cvs update

common : CVS/Root
@cvs checkout common

CVS/Root :
@echo "ERROR: This does not look like a CVS checkout" && exit 1

clean :
@find . -type f -name *~ -exec rm -fv {} \;

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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Context-Preserve/devel
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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Context-Preserve
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rpms/perl-Context-Preserve/devel .cvsignore, NONE, 1.1 Makefile, NONE, 1.1 sources, NONE, 1.1

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Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Context-Preserve/devel
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--- NEW FILE .cvsignore ---


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Makefile for source rpm: perl-Context-Preserve
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 2010/03/15 22:07:55 spot Exp $
NAME := perl-Context-Preserve
SPECFILE = $(firstword $(wildcard *.spec))

define find-makefile-common
for d in common ../common ../../common ; do if [ -f $$d/Makefile.common ] ; 
then if [ -f $$d/CVS/Root -a -w $$d/Makefile.common ] ; then cd $$d ; cvs -Q 
update ; fi ; echo "$$d/Makefile.common" ; break ; fi ; done
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(find-makefile-common))

ifeq ($(MAKEFILE_COMMON),)
# attept a checkout
define checkout-makefile-common
test -f CVS/Root && { cvs -Q -d $$(cat CVS/Root) checkout common && echo 
"common/Makefile.common" ; } || { echo "ERROR: I can't figure out how to 
checkout the 'common' module." ; exit -1 ; } >&2
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(checkout-makefile-common))
endif

include $(MAKEFILE_COMMON)


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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Context-Preserve
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--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Top level Makefile for module perl-Context-Preserve
all : CVS/Root common-update
@cvs update

common-update : common
@cd common && cvs update

common : CVS/Root
@cvs checkout common

CVS/Root :
@echo "ERROR: This does not look like a CVS checkout" && exit 1

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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker
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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker
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Added Files:
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Setup of module perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Top level Makefile for module perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker
all : CVS/Root common-update
@cvs update

common-update : common
@cd common && cvs update

common : CVS/Root
@cvs checkout common

CVS/Root :
@echo "ERROR: This does not look like a CVS checkout" && exit 1

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@find . -type f -name *~ -exec rm -fv {} \;

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rpms/perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker/devel .cvsignore, NONE, 1.1 Makefile, NONE, 1.1 sources, NONE, 1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker/devel
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsQ20688/rpms/perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker/devel

Added Files:
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Log Message:
Setup of module perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker


--- NEW FILE .cvsignore ---


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Makefile for source rpm: perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 2010/03/15 22:08:16 spot Exp $
NAME := perl-CatalystX-LeakChecker
SPECFILE = $(firstword $(wildcard *.spec))

define find-makefile-common
for d in common ../common ../../common ; do if [ -f $$d/Makefile.common ] ; 
then if [ -f $$d/CVS/Root -a -w $$d/Makefile.common ] ; then cd $$d ; cvs -Q 
update ; fi ; echo "$$d/Makefile.common" ; break ; fi ; done
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(find-makefile-common))

ifeq ($(MAKEFILE_COMMON),)
# attept a checkout
define checkout-makefile-common
test -f CVS/Root && { cvs -Q -d $$(cat CVS/Root) checkout common && echo 
"common/Makefile.common" ; } || { echo "ERROR: I can't figure out how to 
checkout the 'common' module." ; exit -1 ; } >&2
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(checkout-makefile-common))
endif

include $(MAKEFILE_COMMON)


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rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype - New directory

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype
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rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype/devel - New directory

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Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype/devel
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rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype/devel .cvsignore, NONE, 1.1 Makefile, NONE, 1.1 sources, NONE, 1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype/devel
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsK21191/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype/devel

Added Files:
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Log Message:
Setup of module perl-Sub-Prototype


--- NEW FILE .cvsignore ---


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Makefile for source rpm: perl-Sub-Prototype
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 2010/03/15 22:09:12 spot Exp $
NAME := perl-Sub-Prototype
SPECFILE = $(firstword $(wildcard *.spec))

define find-makefile-common
for d in common ../common ../../common ; do if [ -f $$d/Makefile.common ] ; 
then if [ -f $$d/CVS/Root -a -w $$d/Makefile.common ] ; then cd $$d ; cvs -Q 
update ; fi ; echo "$$d/Makefile.common" ; break ; fi ; done
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(find-makefile-common))

ifeq ($(MAKEFILE_COMMON),)
# attept a checkout
define checkout-makefile-common
test -f CVS/Root && { cvs -Q -d $$(cat CVS/Root) checkout common && echo 
"common/Makefile.common" ; } || { echo "ERROR: I can't figure out how to 
checkout the 'common' module." ; exit -1 ; } >&2
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(checkout-makefile-common))
endif

include $(MAKEFILE_COMMON)


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rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype Makefile,NONE,1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsK21191/rpms/perl-Sub-Prototype

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Setup of module perl-Sub-Prototype


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Top level Makefile for module perl-Sub-Prototype
all : CVS/Root common-update
@cvs update

common-update : common
@cd common && cvs update

common : CVS/Root
@cvs checkout common

CVS/Root :
@echo "ERROR: This does not look like a CVS checkout" && exit 1

clean :
@find . -type f -name *~ -exec rm -fv {} \;

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rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces - New directory

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces
In directory 
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rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel - New directory

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel
In directory 
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Directory /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel added to the 
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rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel .cvsignore, NONE, 1.1 Makefile, NONE, 1.1 sources, NONE, 1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsP21408/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces/devel

Added Files:
.cvsignore Makefile sources 
Log Message:
Setup of module perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces


--- NEW FILE .cvsignore ---


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Makefile for source rpm: perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.1 2010/03/15 22:09:32 spot Exp $
NAME := perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces
SPECFILE = $(firstword $(wildcard *.spec))

define find-makefile-common
for d in common ../common ../../common ; do if [ -f $$d/Makefile.common ] ; 
then if [ -f $$d/CVS/Root -a -w $$d/Makefile.common ] ; then cd $$d ; cvs -Q 
update ; fi ; echo "$$d/Makefile.common" ; break ; fi ; done
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(find-makefile-common))

ifeq ($(MAKEFILE_COMMON),)
# attept a checkout
define checkout-makefile-common
test -f CVS/Root && { cvs -Q -d $$(cat CVS/Root) checkout common && echo 
"common/Makefile.common" ; } || { echo "ERROR: I can't figure out how to 
checkout the 'common' module." ; exit -1 ; } >&2
endef

MAKEFILE_COMMON := $(shell $(checkout-makefile-common))
endif

include $(MAKEFILE_COMMON)


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rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces Makefile,NONE,1.1

2010-03-15 Thread Tom Callaway
Author: spot

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces
In directory 
cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/home/fedora/spot/CVSROOT/admin/tmpcvsP21408/rpms/perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces

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Setup of module perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces


--- NEW FILE Makefile ---
# Top level Makefile for module perl-Devel-Caller-IgnoreNamespaces
all : CVS/Root common-update
@cvs update

common-update : common
@cd common && cvs update

common : CVS/Root
@cvs checkout common

CVS/Root :
@echo "ERROR: This does not look like a CVS checkout" && exit 1

clean :
@find . -type f -name *~ -exec rm -fv {} \;

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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread John Reiser
> "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

Could "Invalid operation" be an error message that corresponds to
an error from a system call?  Apply 'strace' to the link step
to see what happens shortly before the write() to stderr.

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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Roland McGrath
> Also, the "undefined reference to symbol" error is typical for the 'you
> left it out of the linker line' situation, but "could not read symbols:
> Invalid operation" is not, I've never seen that error before.

This and several other odd-looking things are "normal" cascade errors from
an undefined symbol in various circumstances.  If there are other error
messages first, don't worry about the incomprehensible ones until you've
resolved the earlier ones.

> Um. As I said in my email, it's already *in* the linker line. That's why
> I say it's weird.

Show the linking command line in question.  (As with all requests for help,
showing the complete command line and all error messages in the very first
report is always the best policy.)

It's possible to have this problem by having the libraries in the wrong
order relative to each other or to .o files that refer to them.


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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 15:48 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"
> 
> Could "Invalid operation" be an error message that corresponds to
> an error from a system call?  Apply 'strace' to the link step
> to see what happens shortly before the write() to stderr.

Huh. That's odd. When I run the exact command that was run during the
compile (copy/paste), it succeeds. Makes doing the above a bit hard :)

Gonna run the build through mock and see what happens...
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 16:22 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> > Also, the "undefined reference to symbol" error is typical for the 'you
> > left it out of the linker line' situation, but "could not read symbols:
> > Invalid operation" is not, I've never seen that error before.
> 
> This and several other odd-looking things are "normal" cascade errors from
> an undefined symbol in various circumstances.  If there are other error
> messages first, don't worry about the incomprehensible ones until you've
> resolved the earlier ones.

I understand that principle, however, I've hit this situation literally
dozens and dozens of times (I used to package for Mandriva, which made a
very similar linker migration several releases ago) and have seen
'undefined reference to symbol' messages always, but have never seen the
'could not read symbols' error before. Which is why I felt it was
unusual.

> > Um. As I said in my email, it's already *in* the linker line. That's why
> > I say it's weird.
> 
> Show the linking command line in question.  (As with all requests for help,
> showing the complete command line and all error messages in the very first
> report is always the best policy.)

Knock yourself out:

http://fpaste.org/FnFc/

as I replied to John, though, oddly enough when I re-ran the command
manually, it succeeded. Trying to see if it builds through mock now.
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 17:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 15:48 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > > "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"
> > 
> > Could "Invalid operation" be an error message that corresponds to
> > an error from a system call?  Apply 'strace' to the link step
> > to see what happens shortly before the write() to stderr.
> 
> Huh. That's odd. When I run the exact command that was run during the
> compile (copy/paste), it succeeds. Makes doing the above a bit hard :)
> 
> Gonna run the build through mock and see what happens...

Guh. Same. The build fails, but if I go into the appropriate directory
in the mock buildroot and run the command, it succeeds.

I suppose the build process must be setting some kind of problematic env
var or something along those lines...that doesn't show up in the
command...jeez.
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread i . grok
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 05:27:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 15:48 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > > "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"
> > 
> > Could "Invalid operation" be an error message that corresponds to
> > an error from a system call?  Apply 'strace' to the link step
> > to see what happens shortly before the write() to stderr.
> 
> Huh. That's odd. When I run the exact command that was run during the
> compile (copy/paste), it succeeds. Makes doing the above a bit hard :)
> 
> Gonna run the build through mock and see what happens...

That sounds like a SELinux policy issue. Are you getting any AVCs?
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Roland McGrath
> Knock yourself out:
> 
> http://fpaste.org/FnFc/
> 
> as I replied to John, though, oddly enough when I re-ran the command
> manually, it succeeded. Trying to see if it builds through mock now.

Are you sure that's the right command?  The ld error mentions
libvo/vo_vaapi.o, but that file name does not appear in the command line.

Also, try adding -v -Wl,-t,-y,vaGetConfigAttributes to the cc command--but
of course that's really only useful when you're modifying a command line
that is verified to reproduce the error.


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Orphaning qpxtool

2010-03-15 Thread drago01
Hi,

I am going to orphan qpxtool (http://qpxtool.sourceforge.net/) for
various reasons:

1) I have not used it for a long time and neither do use the hardware
that supports it (it is collecting dust)
2) I lost interests in optical media in general (and as such I don't
have much use for it)
3) There is a new upstream version that I have not updated to, due to
lack of time.
4) I was working on a kernel patch that should make it work without
consolhelper / root privileges but had to stop that for time issues
(well the code is in the kernel just the user space interface
commented out due to some interaction issues with MDT devices).

So in other words it needs more love, so I am willing to pass it on to
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 21:05 -0400, i.g...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 05:27:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 15:48 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > > > "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"
> > > 
> > > Could "Invalid operation" be an error message that corresponds to
> > > an error from a system call?  Apply 'strace' to the link step
> > > to see what happens shortly before the write() to stderr.
> > 
> > Huh. That's odd. When I run the exact command that was run during the
> > compile (copy/paste), it succeeds. Makes doing the above a bit hard :)
> > 
> > Gonna run the build through mock and see what happens...
> 
> That sounds like a SELinux policy issue. Are you getting any AVCs?

Nope, nothing pops up. I'll try it with permissive, though.
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 18:31 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> > Knock yourself out:
> > 
> > http://fpaste.org/FnFc/
> > 
> > as I replied to John, though, oddly enough when I re-ran the command
> > manually, it succeeded. Trying to see if it builds through mock now.
> 
> Are you sure that's the right command?  The ld error mentions
> libvo/vo_vaapi.o, but that file name does not appear in the command line.

Erf. You may be onto something there. It's the command that comes right
before the error, but of course it's a parallel build. I'll check.

> Also, try adding -v -Wl,-t,-y,vaGetConfigAttributes to the cc command--but
> of course that's really only useful when you're modifying a command line
> that is verified to reproduce the error.

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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 19:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 18:31 -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> > > Knock yourself out:
> > > 
> > > http://fpaste.org/FnFc/
> > > 
> > > as I replied to John, though, oddly enough when I re-ran the command
> > > manually, it succeeded. Trying to see if it builds through mock now.
> > 
> > Are you sure that's the right command?  The ld error mentions
> > libvo/vo_vaapi.o, but that file name does not appear in the command line.
> 
> Erf. You may be onto something there. It's the command that comes right
> before the error, but of course it's a parallel build. I'll check.

Gack, well I feel dumb - I just forgot it was a parallel build and it
might actually be an error from a different command. Doing the build
without -j shows it's a different command failing, that one has -lva-x11
and -lva-glx but not -lva . With all three, the command succeeds. D'oh!
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Re: Linker weirdness: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"

2010-03-15 Thread John Reiser
>>/usr/lib64/libva-0.31.0.5.so.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation

> It's a different command failing, that one has -lva-x11
> and -lva-glx but not -lva . With all three, the command succeeds. D'oh!

Please remember to file a bug report against binutils.  You've identified
a reproducible error in /usr/bin/ld: "could not read symbols: Invalid operation"
that may well confound someone else soon.  Yes, that error may occur
during what already is "error recovery", but such cascaded errors
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[Test-Announce] Bugzappers Meeting Agenda for 2010-03-16

2010-03-15 Thread Adam Williamson
Event: Fedora Bug Triage Meeting
Date: 2010-03-16
Time: 15:00 UTC
Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net

** NOTE ** : Many places have gone through daylight savings time change
this week: if your clock changed over the weekend, since the meeting is
set according to UTC, the meeting time will have changed for you. It
will be one hour later than last week. For instance, it's now 11am
Eastern time and 8am Pacific time.

Additions or corrections to the agenda? Reply to this email.

= Agenda =

* follow ups from last meeting

* your item here! (let us know before the meeting)

* open floor

Nothing much on the agenda this week, but I'll be there in case anyone
has topics to bring up.

Please do come out for the meeting - it'd be great to see more faces,
and we don't bite, we promise! It's a great opportunity to raise any
issues you've come across while bugzapping, or ask any questions you
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Oscar Bacho
There is one "good" update of gstreamer with include gstreamer-bad-free.

And it has file conflict with gstreamer-bad of rpm-fusion and with
gstreamer-good

It seem to me that fedora needs a stable update policy.


Go ahead Jesse


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Re: Desktop app maintainers: Please check for StartupNotify=true

2010-03-15 Thread Chen Lei


Could you help me to fix qtiplot? After I add StartupNotify=true to 
qtiplot.desktop, it times out instead of disappearing when the app window comes 
up under gnome2.

Regards,
Chen Lei

On 2010-03-15 23:07:02,"Colin Walters"   wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Chen Lei  wrote:
>> Should we also add  StartupWMClass=someting if StartupNotify=true doesn't
>> work?
>
>You're going to need to elaborate on "doesn't work".
>
>* You don't see a "Starting..." notification in the tasklist in GNOME 2?
>* You do, but it times out instead of disappearing when the app window comes 
>up?
>* Something else?
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Oscar Bacho
2010/3/16 Oscar Bacho 

> There is one "good" update of gstreamer with include gstreamer-bad-free.
>
> And it has file conflict with gstreamer-bad of rpm-fusion and with
> gstreamer-good
>
> It seem to me that fedora needs a stable update policy.
>
>
> Go ahead Jesse
>
>
> Oscar Bacho
>
> P.D. I'm a user
>

I'm on "stable F12"
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Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/16/2010 11:54 AM, Oscar Bacho wrote:
>
>
> 2010/3/16 Oscar Bacho mailto:ob.sys...@gmail.com>>
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> There is one "good" update of gstreamer with include
> gstreamer-bad-free.
>
> And it has file conflict with gstreamer-bad of rpm-fusion and with
> gstreamer-good
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> It seem to me that fedora needs a stable update policy.
>
>
> Go ahead Jesse
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>
> Oscar Bacho
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> P.D. I'm a user
>
>
> I'm on "stable F12"

Updates policy won't necessarily help in this case. AutoQA might but
then cross repo coordination is at times tricky esp with much less
people taking care of administration of third party repos.

Rahul
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Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-15 Thread Ankur Sinha
hey,

Trying a "yum update" gives me this. Broken update?


Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstshapewipe.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.21-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/bin/gst-camera from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/bin/gst-camera-perf from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstadpcmdec.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaiff.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalsaspdif.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstapexsink.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstassrender.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbayer.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbz2.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcamerabin.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcdaudio.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcdxaparse.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcelt.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdc1394.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdccp.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdebugutilsbad.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdirac.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdvb.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfestival.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfreeze.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfrei0r.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstgsm.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgsth264parse.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgsthdvparse.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.17-2.fc12.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstid3tag.so from install of
gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.18-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package gstreamer-plugins-