Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 03:05:03 PM Uriel wrote: > We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to > people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my > ideas were that I learned and now I know better. > I'd like to go out of my way to point out how fucking retarded your fucking lame-ass idea is to make it your personal crusade to give a rat's ass about other peoples' software interface. I'd also like to point out how fucking retarded it is to think that being a reactionary dipshit asshole is a justified means for your lousy dick-headed ends. Now you know better. And I've learned too! All I got to do is be a raging asshole, and people will listen to me! Who needs logical persuasion or helpful pointers when you got cuss words and insults! On Thursday, May 05, 2011 01:55:27 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > > Why do you even bother communicating? > > Because for every one of you there are ten who listen > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of reasoned discourse is indicative only of your own lacking intellect. It's understood that there's always active assholes in every mailing-list; way to carry on and perpetuate that tradition! Be proud and justified.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:52:53 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno wrote: > > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just > > substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent > > of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of > > reasoned discourse is indicative only of your own lacking intellect. > > Are you employing whining and ad hominem to accuse me of whining and > ad hominem? That's great. You're great. > > > It's understood that there's always active assholes in every > > mailing-list; way to carry on and perpetuate that tradition! Be proud > > and justified. > > Are you upset? You sound upset. Is your mother a transparent > terminal window? If she is, tell her I said she's a stupid waste of > computational resources, and she makes it harder to read console > output. Let her know that she's a workaround trying to bandaid a > broken and ridiculous interface paradigm. Also she's fat. > > Also you're fat. > So what now? Do we exchange gps coordinates so we can duke it out physically, you lizard brained, pencil-necked fuckwad. That'll prove who's right about... transparent fucking terminals of all things. I got a better idea. How about if you just take your pigheaded antisocial misgivings and shuv them up your gaping asshole along with that brainfull of shit head of yours? Next time, remove the giant throbbing horse dick out of your mouth before you open it. Though I know that might be difficult, what with your insatiable appetite for cock. Yeah, now we're making progress - in the great world tragedy of our time... transparent motherfucking terminals.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:12:09 PM Jacob Todd wrote: > This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3 > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt his feelings. I expected as much though. What a social coward.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:46:00 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is > (arguably) aesthetic. Quoted for its value in bringing well-intended exchange of ideas back to the table. Let's try to make not only our own personal software suckless, but also our communication amongst fellow list-members and explorers. Maybe that sounds like limp nonsense to you, but I think it's a fairly decent human protocol to standardize on. > This, in short, is a completely braindead idea > of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner > of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten > entirely what computers do and what terminals are > Why are people still emulating physical video terminal hardware devices from the 70's, and why is that a good thing? Personal aesthetic opinions wrt transparency seem like small shit in contrast to the bigger issue surrounding the continued and woefully antiquated baggage of emulating a freaking DEC VT102 on our personal computers. I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. Everyone has their reasons for using and/or preferring whatever it is they're using. And it certainly doesn't hurt to try things out to form one's own opinions about any given software interface versus being insulted or ridiculed for exploring -- in fact such behavior ought to be encouraged rather than ridiculed. For whatever it's worth to you, no hard feelings. Cheers
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 07:28:56 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno wrote: > > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy > > it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over > > the internet. > > > > It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt > > his feelings. I expected as much though. What a social coward. > > Sorry, trolling services are placed into 'maintenance mode' during > periods of commuting, having dinner, hanging out with my family, and > sleeping. If you feel your service level agreement has been violated, > please submit a ticket with our support team and we'll review your > case. > Nah, man - the outfit of a troll just doesn't suit me; in fact it left me feeling kinda smelly. Enjoy your family time - that's the kind of thing everyone can use more of. Peace
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
(for the tl;dr folks - nothing to see here, move along) On Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:28:03 PM Uriel wrote: > There is no justification whatsoever for transparent terminals. > From a purely sociological/psychological standpoint, I can't help but be fascinated with this sort of reasoning. I'm honestly curious why one would take on the belief that something such as transparency of a software terminal needs any further justification beyond curiosity and/or personal preference - aesthetic or functional or otherwise. How in the world does Maciej's local use of transparency affect Uriel? Why is Uriel so concerned with what Maciej runs on his personal property? Why has Kurt decided that it's important to try and save 4LOC worth's of a patch and Xkb's worth's of memory on Maciej's personal pc? Why is Kurt apparently loosing sleep over the eyestrain that may or may not occur from Maciej's use of a transparent terminal? For someone who claims to not care about what other people think, he sure does seem to care about how other people choose to interact with their equipment. The whole thing is absolutely bizarre to me. I could see getting into a heated debate to the point of antipathy were Maciej lobbying to encroach his transparency desires onto Kurt's and Uriel's software; but there is absolutely _zero_ possibility of that happening - there's no threat whatsoever; why so obstinate and reactionary concerning other peoples' software interface? (for the record, I don't like transparency in my terminals - but I only knew that after I tried it for myself) Now entering purely philosophical mode, continue at your own risk. Tolstoy stated it well: Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. ... and Ghandi: _Be_ the change you want to see in the world. Is the suckless movement a free peoples' anarchy, or is it some sort of collective nanny-state? (purely hypothetical, and definitely stretching into non-technical territory; but I hope at least the basic gist of the point is not thrown out with the bath water) So like I said, from a purely social perspective, I find this whole thread to be rather mysterious and quite fascinating. I've seen this sort of thing before, it's really weird. Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples' software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function or purpose to rid the world of... transparent terminals or something?
