Re: [dev] simplyread
> Even if HTML5 were the only standard around, people would still misuse > it untill you guys enable me to one-click-slay (TM) them. > "Of course, all seducers of the masses, potential tyrants or fanatics, have used this argument to make their case; the communists did the same when they declared themselves the most enlightened segment of the population, and, by virtue of this alleged enlightenment, arrogated to themselves the right to rule arbitrarily." - Václav Havel I know you were kidding, but I couldn't resist.
Re: [dev] simplyread
It's a good quote that I think I had yet to see. But I knew the communists also used such unique methods. Shortly after my last post yesterday I heard there's a book now (about 300 pages I think) about how mankind overall got less violent. It should be clear to anyone that only the recent technological breakthrough of HTML5 and it's extensions (one-klick-slay being the most recent) made possible the currently widespread goodness. It's feel-good time, so I hope all your wishes and standards get approved this year.
[dev] dwm 6.0
Hi there, I'm glad to announce a new dwm release which can be downloaded from: http://dl.suckless.org/dwm/dwm-6.0.tar.gz This release contains - several Xinerama fixes - a new approach to hide clients into negative space rather than positive - the return of the nmaster functionality (Mod1-i, Mod1-d) - better EWHM support for floating windows - fixed sloppy focussing of empty screens - a new default color scheme (actually a new old one, now bluedark rather than bluegray) I thank Connor and all other contributors for their excellent work to make this release happen! More news will be unveiled during Q1 of 2012... Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
Hi, thanks for the new version! On 12/19/11 at 04:16pm, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > - the return of the nmaster functionality (Mod1-i, Mod1-d) A question regarding this functionality -- feel free to forward me to documentation, if there is such --. If I use Mod1-i and have two windows in the master column, and then delete any other windows, I am stuck with horizontal tiling, until I launch another window, am I not? Manolo
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
Hey, On 19 December 2011 16:39, Manolo Martínez wrote: > A question regarding this functionality -- feel free to forward me to > documentation, if there is such --. If I use Mod1-i and have two windows in > the > master column, and then delete any other windows, I am stuck with horizontal > tiling, until I launch another window, am I not? Or you hit M-d. cls
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
Connor, thanks for replying. On 12/19/11 at 04:40pm, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 19 December 2011 16:39, Manolo Martínez wrote: > > A question regarding this functionality -- feel free to forward me to > > documentation, if there is such --. If I use Mod1-i and have two windows in > > the > > master column, and then delete any other windows, I am stuck with horizontal > > tiling, until I launch another window, am I not? > > Or you hit M-d. > (M == Mod1, right?) What I'm seeing is that, if I press Mod1-i (-d), say 3 times too many, then I need to press Mod1-d (-i) *4* times for it to have any effect. Maybe you guys are all familiar with this behaviour; it's new for me, that's all :) Manolo --
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On 19 December 2011 16:50, Manolo Martínez wrote: > (M == Mod1, right?) What I'm seeing is that, if I press Mod1-i (-d), say 3 > times too many, then I need to press Mod1-d (-i) *4* times for it to have any > effect. Indeed, that's correct. Remember, dwm's layout is per-monitor, not per-tag. As a result, when you switch to a tag with only one client on it, you don't want to switch back only to find that you have to readjust your nmaster, over and over again. So, the solution is not to hit M-i three times when you only mean to hit it once... The behaviour is quite nice, once you do get used to it. ;) Thanks, cls
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On 19 December 2011 16:50, Manolo Martínez wrote: > On 12/19/11 at 04:40pm, Connor Lane Smith wrote: >> On 19 December 2011 16:39, Manolo Martínez wrote: >> > A question regarding this functionality -- feel free to forward me to >> > documentation, if there is such --. If I use Mod1-i and have two windows >> > in the >> > master column, and then delete any other windows, I am stuck with >> > horizontal >> > tiling, until I launch another window, am I not? >> >> Or you hit M-d. >> > (M == Mod1, right?) What I'm seeing is that, if I press Mod1-i (-d), say 3 > times too many, then I need to press Mod1-d (-i) *4* times for it to have any > effect. > > Maybe you guys are all familiar with this behaviour; it's new for me, that's > all :) That's on purpose. You are expected to only perform M-i/M-d adjustments occasionally, like adjusting the mfact value using M-h/M-l. Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:08:54 +0100, Thomas Dean wrote: > > (M == Mod1, right?) What I'm seeing is that, if I press Mod1-i (-d), say 3 > > times too many, then I need to press Mod1-d (-i) *4* times for it to have > > any effect. > > Also, when nmaster=1 and pressing Mod1-d, nmaster seems to become infinity. > I see this as a feature, but is it intended? Of course, now I see it: 0=infinity in this case, i.e. slave effectively becomes master :-)
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 16:50:01 +0100, Manolo Martínez wrote: > (M == Mod1, right?) What I'm seeing is that, if I press Mod1-i (-d), say 3 > times too many, then I need to press Mod1-d (-i) *4* times for it to have any > effect. Also, when nmaster=1 and pressing Mod1-d, nmaster seems to become infinity. I see this as a feature, but is it intended?
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Dean <78...@web.de> wrote: > Of course, now I see it: 0=infinity in this case, i.e. slave effectively > becomes master :-) Be careful when creating a power vacuum. Eliminating the remaining authority will lead to anarchy as the slaves all scramble to create a new class of masters. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On 19.12.2011 17:21, Andrew Hills wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Dean <78...@web.de> wrote: >> Of course, now I see it: 0=infinity in this case, i.e. slave effectively >> becomes master :-) > > Be careful when creating a power vacuum. Eliminating the remaining > authority will lead to anarchy as the slaves all scramble to create a > new class of masters. > > --Andrew Hills > Magnificent. Brilliant. Bodacious. Capital. Oberaffentittengeil. You made at least my day, and quite possibly my week :D
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21:28 -0500, Andrew Hills wrote: > > Of course, now I see it: 0=infinity in this case, i.e. slave effectively > > becomes master :-) > > Be careful when creating a power vacuum. Eliminating the remaining > authority will lead to anarchy as the slaves all scramble to create a > new class of masters. :-) More of this on this list please!
Re: [dev] simplyread
On 12/19/11, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > It's a good quote that I think I had yet to see. But I knew the > communists also used such unique methods. > It was taken out of the context of an article found on Al Jazeera arguing that people should be dictated by benevolent "intellectuals" ethically ignorant of contemporary and local problems that don't brainwash people through news media. Oh, the idealist ignorance of the nature of humans. > Shortly after my last post yesterday I heard there's a book now (about > 300 pages I think) about how mankind overall got less violent. It > should be clear to anyone that only the recent technological > breakthrough of HTML5 and it's extensions (one-klick-slay being the > most recent) made possible the currently widespread goodness. > I forwarded your email to Amazon. The patent has been granted. On a more serious note, lets all thank the USA DoD for their worldwide suppression of violence¡
Re: [dev] simplyread
On 19 December 2011 17:51, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > It was taken out of the context of an article found on Al Jazeera > arguing that people should be dictated by benevolent "intellectuals" > ethically ignorant of contemporary and local problems that don't > brainwash people through news media. Oh, the idealist ignorance of the > nature of humans. Not exactly a new idea, either. cf. Plato's Republic. PS. This mailing list is a strange thing. cls
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
Greetings comrades, before you guys start using rtl like dwm, here's a presentation video[0] about how it was intended to be used. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://www.open-video.org/details.php?videoid=8038
[dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
Greetings comrades, I am proud to announce, that we (Paul Onyschuk an I) got the Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager to work on modern systems. It was one of the early tiled window managers and has some ideas of dwm, but is something different. Just try it out. At [0] is the source of the patched rtl, to compile with modern gcc versions. You will need liboldX[1] for the compila- tion. Instructions: % tar -xzf rtl-5.2-working.tar.gz % cd rtl % mxmkmf && make && make install # will install to /usr/bin % cat > ~/.rtl.tools XTerm xterm % rtl Now use the right mouse button to use the menus. The .rtl.tools file is needed, so you are able to at least start an xterm from within rtl. There seem to many yet untouched features in rtl, which are doc- umented in the doc/ directory. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://www.r-36.net/tmp/rtl-5.2-working.tar.gz [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/liboldX/
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
On 19 December 2011 18:11, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > before you guys start using rtl like dwm, here's a presentation > video[0] about how it was intended to be used. Ellis Cohen wins. I demand that 1:00 - 1:25 be used to introduce every talk on dwm from here on out. cls
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Ellis Cohen wins. I demand that 1:00 - 1:25 be used to introduce every > talk on dwm from here on out. I'll second that. I also enjoyed his closing remark: "We don't always use the available space because sometimes it just can't be used." --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:03:29 +0100 Christoph Lohmann wrote: > > It was one of the early tiled window managers and has some ideas > of dwm, but is something different. Just try it out. > Just to give some idea about time frame (mostly based on sparse informations from comp.windows.x discussion group): - RTL was useful back in 1986, although it was based on Adrew Project. - In 1987 porting to X11 began. - First wider public release was made in 1988, RTL version 5.1 was distrusted on X11R3 contrib tape. - (Not sure about this) Later on RTL was available on MIT ftp in X11 contrib section. I found information about RTL version 5.2pl1. Hard to say if it is true, because it seems that X11R3 contrib was wiped out from MIT servers completely. It is one of the first tiling window managers, and I would say first for X11. Project is interesting thanks to availability of source code and detailed documentation. Source code is licensed on permissive/copy free terms [1]. So called advertising clause was used, so it is incompatible with GPL. Anyway it seems like it wasn't popular back then. I guess there are few reasons for that. Tiling was used by Digital Research and Microsoft back in the days, not because they wanted - it was direct result of Apple lawsuit. Secondly it was pretty big program back then - people behind RTL steeped into unknown water, and as research project they ended up with huge number of options and ideas. I can point out some features about RTL after some early usage: - It is 100% mouse driven. - Using maximal space is secondary goal, main principle was to not overlap windows. - It has some kind of grouping support using settings (need further investigation). - Icons are used to represent "closed" windows. Was is the point of digging out 20+ year old code? Tiling isn't new idea, but evolved over the time. Watching video and making assumptions is very different from playing with one of the tiling ancestors. It also showed the state of X11 - old code isn't removed at all. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Permission_Notice_and_Disclaimer
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:20:49 +0100 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > > Ellis Cohen wins. I demand that 1:00 - 1:25 be used to introduce every > talk on dwm from here on out. > You can also check extras/rhymes in source code. This is small part, to not spoil too much: "C'mon baby, cut the crap I don't want to overlap"
Re: [dev] simplyread
> I forwarded your email to Amazon. The patent has been granted. Thanks, I provide free licenses for list members who help me sue Hitler, Putin, Obama and friends.
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
I like this, but it also does too much.
