"Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi All,

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

 - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good 
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on 
some Linux distribution.


 - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already 
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.

   Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?

 After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch ready 
for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the 
public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


What do you think?

Regards,

   Matthias



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Re: "Roadmap"

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 10/05/2023 2:23 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:

>   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good 
> condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on 
> some Linux distribution.

Agree. What ugly UI issues does 4.1.15 fix?
 
>   - Start on removing the blocker_s_ for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already 
> fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.
>     Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?
> 

Agree. Yes for dev5.

> I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
> translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the 
> public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.

Updating translations will be an issue. I volunteered to learn the process from 
Mechtilde but I got stuck in some bureaucratic permissions (not from 
Mechtilde)...

Why do you expect profile updating problems?

Best,
Pedro

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Re: "Roadmap"

[Keith N. McKenna]

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi All,

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good 
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on 
some Linux distribution.


  - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already 
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.

    Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?

  After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch ready 
for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the 
public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


What do you think?

Regards,

    Matthias



a BIG +1 Matthias.

Regards
Keith



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Re: "Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 05.10.23 um 16:32 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Matthias, all


On 10/05/2023 2:23 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:
   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on
some Linux distribution.

Agree. What ugly UI issues does 4.1.15 fix?


Until now it isn't fixed... ;-)

On my Ubuntu 22.04 AOO 4.1.14 falls back to a Windows 98-like UI.

Funny fact: The 4.1.15 builds from our buildbot (Ubuntu 18.04) look OK.

  

   - Start on removing the blocker_s_ for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.
     Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?


Agree. Yes for dev5.


I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the
public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.

Updating translations will be an issue. I volunteered to learn the process from 
Mechtilde but I got stuck in some bureaucratic permissions (not from 
Mechtilde)...


The translations itself are not the main problem, we need to be able to 
synchronize Pootle and our code in a structured way. The Pootle server 
needs an update before we can proceed.




Why do you expect profile updating problems?

Maybe because I am always a bit pessimistic? ;-)

But we had reports of profile corruption with every release (esp. on 
Windows). A lot of code has changed so we need to test it and if we find 
problems provide a "workaround". 4.2.0 should be a smooth upgrade.


Personally, I had to reset my 4.2.0 profile recently. But that was 
probably from an extension corruption that happened before Damjan's fix 
(my extension manager looked totally empty).


Regards,

   Matthias



Best,
Pedro

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Re: "Roadmap"

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:24 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:
>
>   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good
> condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on
> some Linux distribution.
>
>   - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already
> fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.
> Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?
>
>
Unfortunately I found a new regression we'll have to fix for 4.2.0:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128579

Regards
Damjan

Re: "Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi,

Am 05.10.23 um 18:25 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:24 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:


Hi All,

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on
some Linux distribution.

   - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.
 Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?



Unfortunately I found a new regression we'll have to fix for 4.2.0:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128579


Additionally, I would really like to have

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127661

fixed for AOO 4.2.0.

We may add that to our list:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0

Regards,

   Matthias



Regards
Damjan



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Re: "Roadmap"

[Dave Fisher]

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> On Oct 5, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pedro,
> 
>> Am 05.10.23 um 16:32 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias, all
>> 
 On 10/05/2023 2:23 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:
>>>   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good
>>> condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on
>>> some Linux distribution.
>> Agree. What ugly UI issues does 4.1.15 fix?
> 
> Until now it isn't fixed... ;-)
> 
> On my Ubuntu 22.04 AOO 4.1.14 falls back to a Windows 98-like UI.
> 
> Funny fact: The 4.1.15 builds from our buildbot (Ubuntu 18.04) look OK.
> 
>>  
>>>   - Start on removing the blocker_s_ for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already
>>> fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.
>>> Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?
>>> 
>> Agree. Yes for dev5.
>> 
>>> I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new
>>> translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the
>>> public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.
>> Updating translations will be an issue. I volunteered to learn the process 
>> from Mechtilde but I got stuck in some bureaucratic permissions (not from 
>> Mechtilde)...
> 
> The translations itself are not the main problem, we need to be able to 
> synchronize Pootle and our code in a structured way. The Pootle server needs 
> an update before we can proceed.

What are the required updates? Is there a tracker or wiki page? I might be able 
to help in a couple of weeks.

As far as sysadmin work Pootle is #1

#2 is MediaWiki version update.

#3 is Forum version update - there it’s only a single minor version and it’s 
more about knowledge transfer and configuration documentation.

Best,
Dave

> 
>> 
>> Why do you expect profile updating problems?
> Maybe because I am always a bit pessimistic? ;-)
> 
> But we had reports of profile corruption with every release (esp. on 
> Windows). A lot of code has changed so we need to test it and if we find 
> problems provide a "workaround". 4.2.0 should be a smooth upgrade.
> 
> Personally, I had to reset my 4.2.0 profile recently. But that was probably 
> from an extension corruption that happened before Damjan's fix (my extension 
> manager looked totally empty).
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Pedro
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Re: "Roadmap"

[Marcus]

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good 
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on 
some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) at hand?

  - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already 
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.


Even when it's - very likely? - just by accident ;-) , it's nevertheless 
a great start. I hope that we can go on with fixing all.



    Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?


+1

  After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch ready 
for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


Yes

I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the 
public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


We have done many, many changes between 41X and 42X. If it's just issues 
with the profile, we could be very happy.



What do you think?


I also recommend to do a long testing phase. Therefore we should think 
about to combine this with a Beta test - or more than 1.


Marcus


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Re: 4.2.0 release blockers

[Jim Jagielski]

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 4:52 PM Jim Jagielski  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 127154 and 127966 need to be looked at by a Mac developer.
>>> 
>> 
>> Those look pretty old. I should create a quick macOS 4.2.0 dev build for
>> testing
>> 
>> 
> Thank you Jim. While you are here, can you please look at bug
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127861 where one of your commits
> created a regression?
> 
> Regards
> Damjan

It does look like it's a back port. It's possible that it's not needed in 4.2.0

Re: "Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus,

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) at 
hand?


No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.

I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the 
"ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should 
probably see it.


Regards,

   Matthias



  - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan 
already fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.


Even when it's - very likely? - just by accident ;-) , it's 
nevertheless a great start. I hope that we can go on with fixing all.



    Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?


+1

  After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch 
ready for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


Yes

I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to 
the public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


We have done many, many changes between 41X and 42X. If it's just 
issues with the profile, we could be very happy.



What do you think?


I also recommend to do a long testing phase. Therefore we should think 
about to combine this with a Beta test - or more than 1.


Marcus


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Re: "Roadmap"

[Marcus]

Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) at 
hand?


No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.

I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the 
"ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should 
probably see it.


I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
How / where can I see what you mean?

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: "Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Marcus,

Am 05.10.23 um 23:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) 
at hand?


No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.

I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the 
"ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should 
probably see it.


I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
How / where can I see what you mean?


If you ask, you don't have it. ;-)

Just imagine how AOO on Windows 98 would look like...

Regards,

   Matthias

P.S.: For German readers 
https://www.mail-archive.com/users-de@openoffice.apache.org/msg09186.html




Thanks

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Re: "Roadmap"

[Matthias Seidel]

Am 05.10.23 um 23:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Marcus,

Am 05.10.23 um 23:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) 
at hand?


No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.

I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the 
"ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should 
probably see it.


I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
How / where can I see what you mean?


Found a screenshot...

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/bildschirmfoto_vom_2023-08-05_13-16-38.png

Matthias



If you ask, you don't have it. ;-)

Just imagine how AOO on Windows 98 would look like...

Regards,

   Matthias

P.S.: For German readers 
https://www.mail-archive.com/users-de@openoffice.apache.org/msg09186.html




Thanks

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Re: "Roadmap"

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 9:49 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Am 05.10.23 um 23:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Hi Marcus,
> >
> > Am 05.10.23 um 23:17 schrieb Marcus:
> >> Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> >>> Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:
>  Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:
> >
> >   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in
> > good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI"
> > fixed on some Linux distribution.
> 
>  I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s)
>  at hand?
> >>>
> >>> No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.
> >>>
> >>> I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the
> >>> "ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should
> >>> probably see it.
> >>
> >> I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
> >> How / where can I see what you mean?
>
> Found a screenshot...
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/bildschirmfoto_vom_2023-08-05_13-16-38.png
>
>
Ubuntu 22.04 and Fedora 36 both use Wayland, which may be breaking our GTK+
v2 backend somehow and falling back to the "generic" UI.

A debug build should log relevant info to stdout, if you start it from the
command line.

Re: "Roadmap"

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 9:49 PM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:

> Am 05.10.23 um 23:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Hi Marcus,
> >
> > Am 05.10.23 um 23:17 schrieb Marcus:
> >> Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> >>> Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:
>  Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:
> >
> >   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in
> > good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI"
> > fixed on some Linux distribution.
> 
>  I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s)
>  at hand?
> >>>
> >>> No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.
> >>>
> >>> I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the
> >>> "ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should
> >>> probably see it.
> >>
> >> I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
> >> How / where can I see what you mean?
>
> Found a screenshot...
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/bildschirmfoto_vom_2023-08-05_13-16-38.png
>
> Matthias
>
>
Actually as per main/vcl/unx/generic/desktopdetect/desktopdetector.cxx:
Try setting the OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP environment variable to "gnome", eg.
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome ./soffice
Also, what does this return:
$ echo $GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID
and does this:
$ xprop -root
return a value for GNOME_SM_PROXY or NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID?

Binaries for old A00420/AOO450 Windows versions?

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi

Do we have very old versions of the Windows binaries for AOO420/AOO450
somewhere, for use in bisection testing? Like from 2014-2018?

Thank you
Damjan