Installation
Hello, I'm writing in the hope the dev team will take notice of my feedback, and hopefully change the instructions for novice Linux users who are not geeks, have no intention of ever becoming one and would appreciate installations as easy as clicking on an exe file, especially if they've migrated from Windows, which is the case for many people as Linux is still not widely known, and if people have heard of it, the perception is it's by geeks for geeks, which your instructions confirm! "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. You should see a lot of debs here and one sub-directory called "desktop-integration"." A novice new to Linux is unlikely to know what "cd" means, nor what he/she is supposed to do and even less how to get to the DEBS or RPMS directory as was my case in the beginning! Having to spend hours trying to understand what such instructions mean will more than likely result in them giving up, or try a different app with more user-friendly installation, or use the one included in whichever distro they've opted for, which nowadays is predominantly Libre Office, which is what I ended up doing for a long time. A much easier way to install quickly and effortlessly is by using "Discover", which should be the default installation app in all distros! Here is all a novice has to do for Linux DEB-based installation: 1. download Apache OpenOffice tar.gz package; 2. extract all files in the tar.gz package with Ark (easily installed with Discover) and select "open destination folder after extraction"; 3. open "DEBS" then "desktop-integration" double click on "openoffice4.1-debian-menus_4.1.12-9809_all" this will automatically launch Discover; 4. click on "install" enter root password, OpenOffice will appear in Application Menu "Office" ready for use, simple! I don't know whether this method works with non DEB-based distros as I've never used such distros... Regards, G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
Hello, just some remarks: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: Hello, "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. You should see a lot of debs here and one sub-directory called "desktop-integration"." A novice new to Linux is unlikely to know what "cd" means, 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. A much easier way to install quickly and effortlessly is by using "Discover", which should be the default installation app in all distros! In Debian 'discover' is hardware identification system. See https://wiki.debian.org/discover Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installation
At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up since those days. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
Brian Barker wrote: At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up since those days. Brian Barker Brian; Today it is called the Command Prompt and I do use it regularly to do an administrative install of AOO to do QA on changes to verify a bur, or bugs were solved. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
At 12:19 08/07/2022 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Brian Barker wrote: At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up since those days. Brian Barker Today it is called the Command Prompt ... Er, I know that. ... and I do use it regularly to do an administrative install of AOO to do QA on changes to verify a bur, or bugs were solved. Yes: *you* do - and Linux users apparently need to. But the average Windows user does everything they need without resorting to command prompts and typing commands. The original question was about (average?) Windows users not knowing what "cd" meant or how to use it. What happens in DOS is hardly relevant. Here's a couple of thoughts: When you have composed a new e-mail message on your mobile phone, (1) how do you bring up a command prompt, and (2) what command do you then type in order to send the message? When using the self check-out at the supermarket, how do you bring up a command prompt - and indeed a Qwerty keyboard - in order to type "415g Heinz Beanz Baked Beans"? Windows is as grown-up as these other modern devices. The audience for the installation instructions being discussed is likely to be people who simply don't need to type commands in their lives. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
Hello, NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb packages. Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as in free speech not as in free beer. If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect, that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you. So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn. And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice. And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after 'man' ;-) ). If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can pay for installing AOO on your computer. Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should not offer bondage. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installation
Hi, NG talked about making the instructions for installing AOO on Linux more clear for the end user. E.g. "cd" could be explained as "change to the directory". That's something we should think about... However, since AOO is not part of any repository (I know of) it now has to be installed by hand. This is a headache, given the numerous distributions and desktop environments. It may be even more stressful when "another" Office package is already installed as default. Andrea Pescetti had an interesting talk at FOSDEM 2022 about Linux packaging: https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/openoffice_linux_packaging/ If we want to have an "easy to install" package for Linux we need to do something in this respect. Otherwise AOO will remain with 1-2% users that download for Linux. Regards, Matthias Am 08.07.22 um 20:05 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: > Hello, > > NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb > packages. > > Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as > in free speech not as in free beer. > > If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect, > that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you. > > So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn. > > And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command > line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice. > > And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after > 'man' ;-) ). > > If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can > pay for installing AOO on your computer. > > Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should > not offer bondage. > > Kind regards > Michael smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Installation
The instructions in the following forum tutorial may be a little easier for Linux novices: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50119 Regards, Francis On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 12:21 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi, > > NG talked about making the instructions for installing AOO on Linux more > clear for the end user. > E.g. "cd" could be explained as "change to the directory". That's > something we should think about... > > However, since AOO is not part of any repository (I know of) it now has > to be installed by hand. > > This is a headache, given the numerous distributions and desktop > environments. It may be even more stressful when "another" Office > package is already installed as default. > > Andrea Pescetti had an interesting talk at FOSDEM 2022 about Linux > packaging: > > https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/openoffice_linux_packaging/ > > If we want to have an "easy to install" package for Linux we need to do > something in this respect. > > Otherwise AOO will remain with 1-2% users that download for Linux. > > Regards, > >Matthias > > Am 08.07.22 um 20:05 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: > > Hello, > > > > NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb > > packages. > > > > Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as > > in free speech not as in free beer. > > > > If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect, > > that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you. > > > > So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn. > > > > And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command > > line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice. > > > > And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after > > 'man' ;-) ). > > > > If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can > > pay for installing AOO on your computer. > > > > Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should > > not offer bondage. > > > > Kind regards > > Michael > >
