Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )
On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the status of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO participant. So in terms of tests we would need, for example, ODF documents exported by Google Docs (or IBM Docs, or whatever claims to produce ODF) that do not render as expected in OpenOffice? I assume this "interoperability" (seeing the type of event) is meant exclusively in ODF format, right? I.e., nothing related to OOXML for example. I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event. Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. Don't worry about this. I am willing to go, although it would be valuable to at least have someone more technically involved around interoperability testing. I don't think it is necessary to have someone be an official Sure, any properly skilled contributor can do. Is there a limit on the number of attendees? You could also be 2 people, Amsterdam is easily reachable by anyone in Europe. I find this to be an interesting event, especially as I am preparing an ApacheCon talk somewhat related to this; but it overlaps with another event and I won't be able to attend. I trust Roberto will continue to participate on the calls I haven't understood if Roberto is going to attend too, but a stronger presence at technical and non-technical events can only be beneficial. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )
On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the >> status of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO >> participant. >> > > So in terms of tests we would need, for example, ODF documents exported by > Google Docs (or IBM Docs, or whatever claims to produce ODF) that do not > render as expected in OpenOffice? I assume this "interoperability" (seeing > the type of event) is meant exclusively in ODF format, right? I.e., nothing > related to OOXML for example. > > I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event. >> > > Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be > spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. > Don't worry about this. We used to have a rule of 250eur if I remember right, travelling from US is likely to be 1000+ > > I am willing to go, although it would be valuable to at least have >> someone more technically involved around interoperability testing. I >> don't think it is necessary to have someone be an official >> > > Sure, any properly skilled contributor can do. Is there a limit on the > number of attendees? You could also be 2 people, Amsterdam is easily > reachable by anyone in Europe. > > I find this to be an interesting event, especially as I am preparing an > ApacheCon talk somewhat related to this; but it overlaps with another event > and I won't be able to attend. > > I trust Roberto will continue to participate on the calls >> > > I haven't understood if Roberto is going to attend too, but a stronger > presence at technical and non-technical events can only be beneficial. +1 rgds jan i > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )
jan i wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. Don't worry about this. We used to have a rule of 250eur if I remember right, travelling from US is likely to be 1000+ We've never had generic provisions, since all events are specific. I think that limit was for FOSDEM. Moreover, we never got to the step of actually reimbursing anyone, since nobody ever (me, you, anybody else) asked for travel reimbursement in the end... If we set some guidelines, it would make sense to have at least a recommendation to prefer short-range travel. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 - Interop Testing
Comment below, -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 07:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... ) On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the > status of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO > participant. So in terms of tests we would need, for example, ODF documents exported by Google Docs (or IBM Docs, or whatever claims to produce ODF) that do not render as expected in OpenOffice? I assume this "interoperability" (seeing the type of event) is meant exclusively in ODF format, right? I.e., nothing related to OOXML for example. [ ... ] Yes, the event is strictly about ODF documents. Demonstrable issues among Google Docs, any of the listed products in the Market Place, and ODF support in Microsoft Office Web Apps (not just desktop) are worthwhile. In general, I think thematic tests around specific features are best. For example, there are differences in the implementation of ODF Digital Signatures between Microsoft Office and Apache OpenOffice. LibreOffice may have differences from each. It is important to nail this down for those in civil administration who depend on such arrangements and for whom the Plugfest is very important. I had started some tests in this area. I could probably dust them off for submission. Another area that has been a keen issue has to do with interchange of documents having tracked changes. I have a lot to say about that, but a simple test profile might be very useful. In this case, there is probably only interoperability among AOO and LibreOffice, although LibreOffice 5 is reported to have changes in this area. I don't know if those extend to what appears in the format. As far as I know, the ODF TC Advanced Collaboration subcommittee is working on a complete replacement of what is done now with ODF. There is nothing to test for that at the moment. In all cases, it is not necessary to attend in order to submit tests. It is obviously better if there is someone there and a time block is available for performing the test and also providing some sort of perspective on the results. If there is to be any feedback and follow-up, that seems necessary. Generally, only the attendees know anything about results and there tends not to be any after-testing report. It is understandable that these tests are performed discretely. However, an "after-action" report that reveals the state of affairs without pointing at implementations would be very useful. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015
On reflection, I need to be here in Seattle for my wife's already-scheduled departure to Italy on September 17. My attendance at this Plugfest is not an option, even with coverage of my travel and expenses. Sorry. I would have enjoyed attending were it feasible. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 07:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... ) On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event. Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. Don't worry about this. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )
On 1 August 2015 at 19:23, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > jan i wrote: > >> On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> >>> Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be >>> spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. >>> Don't worry about this. >>> >> We used to have a rule of 250eur if I remember right, travelling from US >> is >> likely to be 1000+ >> > > We've never had generic provisions, since all events are specific. I think > that limit was for FOSDEM. Moreover, we never got to the step of actually > reimbursing anyone, since nobody ever (me, you, anybody else) asked for > travel reimbursement in the end... If we set some guidelines, it would make > sense to have at least a recommendation to prefer short-range travel. I saw the 250EUR as generic, we briefly discussed it for at least another event, but you are right it never came to payment time. I would like to have guidelines, but not really event specific, but a max. pr person pr event and that is how I saw the 250EUR. We do not need strong guidelines, but something should be made, to ensure fairness (e.g. the 250EUR would not have paid in full my last trip to FOSDEM) and I totally agree with short-range travel. rgds jan i > > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
