Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0

[Guy Waterval]

Hi all,

As it seems that I will be retired in advance (4 years) in July, I will
have more time and I plan to join another project. As this project uses a
different licence (CC-BY-SA 3.0), I would use for my original
contributions, currently under ALv2.0, a double licence (ALv2.0 and
CC-BY-SA 3.0) to make my contributions regarding OpenOffice (currently docs
only) available for the 2 projects.

I plan to produce images extensions for AOO  in the biological area
(principally Hematology, Microbiology and Histology) with original images
that I have myself already produced on my own equipment or that I could
obtain with an authorization from labs where I have some contacts.

So, the big question. Is such a material, under such a double licence,
reachable for the AOO project in case of it would reuse it.

A collaboration with www.wikimedia.ch could bring to me the advantage of
hooking my old wagon to a locomotive which has success in Switzerland and
has the necessary contacts with the education area and media. I think that
it could bring locally more visibility to the AOO project than if I try to
push the wagon alone.

I don't have contacted them up to now, I'm waiting for your advice before
to do it.

Regards
-- 
gw

Re: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0

[RA Stehmann]

On 11.03.2015 10:53, jan i wrote:
> On 11 March 2015 at 10:33, Guy Waterval  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As it seems that I will be retired in advance (4 years) in July, I will
>> have more time and I plan to join another project. As this project uses a
>> different licence (CC-BY-SA 3.0), I would use for my original
>> contributions, currently under ALv2.0, a double licence (ALv2.0 and
>> CC-BY-SA 3.0) to make my contributions regarding OpenOffice (currently docs
>> only) available for the 2 projects.
>>
> We do not have a problem with double licensing, actually it is in use for
> quite a number of places.
> 
> The preferred way is of course to submit the original with the ALv2
> license, and then add the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license when committing to the
> second project. This is the standard way with absolutely no problems
> independent of how closed or open the second license is.
> 
> You can also add the double license directly in our repo, here we would
> need to look more careful at the license to see if it limits our own usage
> or that of downstream projects.
> 
A second license in addition to ALv2.0 can't limit the usage because the
user has the choice to contract one or both of the licenses.

But: if a user creates a derived work and puts it unter CC-BY_SA only,
Apache can't use the derived work.

("Use" includes also "improve" and "share".)

So the problem is the use of improvements.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0

[jan i]

On Wednesday, March 11, 2015, RA Stehmann 
wrote:

> On 11.03.2015 10:53, jan i wrote:
> > On 11 March 2015 at 10:33, Guy Waterval  > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As it seems that I will be retired in advance (4 years) in July, I will
> >> have more time and I plan to join another project. As this project uses
> a
> >> different licence (CC-BY-SA 3.0), I would use for my original
> >> contributions, currently under ALv2.0, a double licence (ALv2.0 and
> >> CC-BY-SA 3.0) to make my contributions regarding OpenOffice (currently
> docs
> >> only) available for the 2 projects.
> >>
> > We do not have a problem with double licensing, actually it is in use for
> > quite a number of places.
> >
> > The preferred way is of course to submit the original with the ALv2
> > license, and then add the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license when committing to the
> > second project. This is the standard way with absolutely no problems
> > independent of how closed or open the second license is.
> >
> > You can also add the double license directly in our repo, here we would
> > need to look more careful at the license to see if it limits our own
> usage
> > or that of downstream projects.
> >
> A second license in addition to ALv2.0 can't limit the usage because the
> user has the choice to contract one or both of the licenses.
>
> But: if a user creates a derived work and puts it unter CC-BY_SA only,
> Apache can't use the derived work.

he cannot remove the ALv2 license legally, so he needs to write explicitly
that the changes are only available as CC-BY_SA, something most users do
not do. To write it explicitly is important because once the code is
inserted into the file, nobody can see which part is which license,
therefore both licenses will apply to the full file.

If you have a file with 2 licenses and no exceptions you can choose between
the 2 or maybe add a 3rd.

I have lately had talks with people specializing in this, and it seems life
is actually quite simple, but we often tend to make it complicated
especially because we know about version control, something a lawyer do not
care about.

rgds
jan i


>
> ("Use" includes also "improve" and "share".)
>
> So the problem is the use of improvements.
>
> Kind regards
> Michael
>
>
>

-- 
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Re: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Michael,
Hi all,

2015-03-11 12:14 GMT+01:00 RA Stehmann :

[...]

But: if a user creates a derived work and puts it unter CC-BY_SA only,
> Apache can't use the derived work.
>
> ("Use" includes also "improve" and "share".)
>
> So the problem is the use of improvements.
>

This is the problem I thought.
For cliparts extensions it's not an issue, because they can be produced
under different licences as they stay external to the AOO project itself.
But a documentation on OpenOffice is more sensible because the improvements
could quickly produce  2 different versions, which is not really
interesting.

Regards
-- 
gw


>
>

download problems

[Joseph PISTACHIO]

I can’t download the latest Open Office software 4.1.1 because you don’t have 
listed Window 8 or 8.1 operating systems. You  just have EXE version. Also I 
can’t printout anything with my existing Open Office  software with my new 
wireless printer. I can print out emails and PDF but I can’t printout any 
template from your software. 


 


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Re: download problems

[Marcus]

Am 03/11/2015 05:50 PM, schrieb Joseph PISTACHIO:

I can’t download the latest Open Office software 4.1.1

> because you don’t have listed Window 8 or 8.1 operating
> systems. You  just have EXE version.

have you actually tried it? It seems not. ;-) You can download and 
install what you have seen. It's working fine on Windows 8[.1].


> Also I can’t printout anything with my existing Open
> Office  software with my new wireless printer. I can
> print out emails and PDF but I can’t printout any
> template from your software.

For this problem please see our support forum [1]. Here you can report 
the issue and get answers from many other users.


[1] https://forum.openoffice.org/

Marcus

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Re: [MWiki] Account creation

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 05/03/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:

On 03/05/2015 02:41 AM, Keith Alcock wrote:

I don't really want access to the Wiki, but I do want someone who does
to fix the page
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Text/TextViewCursor


Keith, thanks and I've just created an account for you, so it will be 
easier for you to make changes now but also in future. You should have 
received a password by mail.



These mehtods are defined in com/sun/star/view/XViewCursor
http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/view/XViewCursor.html
the wiki doc needs to be changed. Generally the api docs are more current.

I was attempting to make note ... in the discussion part of
the page and couldn't.


Feel free to edit the page (see the note by Kay above) instead of using 
the discussion page.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Macro -form controls development

[郄宁]

hi,
Macro development I want to OpenOffice, but not on the form controls 
development information, please tell me where I can find this information? 
Thank you.