Re: Looking forward to 250 million users

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Nancy,

2014/1/12 Nancy K 

> I want to throw out an idea that might bring in new users. The open source
> android market and dependence on mobile technology are quickly increasing
> in the number of users. Why not have a mobile version Open Office suite
> ready for all android devices?


Great idea !

I can't help but think of all of the PC's that are bought with MS programs
> already installed - and the people that are less technically inclined never
> change browsers or programs - especially if it will cost money to upgrade.
> If a device is produced with OpenOffice already in place, especially if it
> is optimized for mobile users - I think that would certainly introduce this
> software to a growing audience.
>

You can always turn the disadvantage into an advantage and benefit from the
popularity of Windows machines to promote the use of AOO via usb stick
without any installation. MS does the marketing effort and you reuse it to
spread your product, the life is nice! The portable version of AOO has a
big advantage : for the first time , you are not the challenger, but the
leader, you suggest a new approach for using an office suite, directly from
the keyring, near the keys to your car, which is impossible to do with MS
products. In addition you can create a fad effect if you use a special key
, tube of lipstick for women, pocket knife, for men, etc. Why always want
to install software on a computer? If PC manufacturers do not want to
preinstall AOO, why not to suggest the manufacturers of babies's pacifiers
to do it for them ;-)
For the top class secretaries, you can find the following, for instance :
https://www.google.com/search?q=cl%C3%A9s+usb+rouge+%C3%A0+l%C3%A8vres&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=h1rSUsqtCMPmywPekoLABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=775
In addition , this creates the show and can calm the paranoid who is afraid
of being spied on by the Net.  I noticed that many MS users are more
surprised by this kind of use than with the fact that AOO is gratis. And
moreover, no need to configure something, you can provide an "all in one
solution", with documentation, important extensions and templates
preinstalled, more simple for new users who have some trouble with
configurations.
Only my opinion, of course.

>
> I am trying to think of ways that Open Office could be more mobile, and so
> far:
> 1. Voice to text could be utilized
>

+1, certainly an advantage

2. Cloud storage for easier access between devices including mobile to PC
>

Not necessary an advantage by this time. In some countries, people are
actually recommended not to use the cloud solutions.

A+
-- 
gw

>
>
>

Labels

[Dick Groskamp]

Jane,

you have probably not yet registered your database within AOO.

Take a look here:
http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=112224&highlight=labels+register

That should set you on the right track

(cc-ed OP)

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DiGro
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Re: Looking forward to 250 million users

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

> How do we triple the number of users of AOO?

Promoting AOO is job for people from marketing area. It is simple. We just
need some money for that.

Regards,
Wlada


2014/1/12 Guy Waterval 

> Hi Nancy,
>
> 2014/1/12 Nancy K 
>
> > I want to throw out an idea that might bring in new users. The open
> source
> > android market and dependence on mobile technology are quickly increasing
> > in the number of users. Why not have a mobile version Open Office suite
> > ready for all android devices?
>
>
> Great idea !
>
> I can't help but think of all of the PC's that are bought with MS programs
> > already installed - and the people that are less technically inclined
> never
> > change browsers or programs - especially if it will cost money to
> upgrade.
> > If a device is produced with OpenOffice already in place, especially if
> it
> > is optimized for mobile users - I think that would certainly introduce
> this
> > software to a growing audience.
> >
>
> You can always turn the disadvantage into an advantage and benefit from the
> popularity of Windows machines to promote the use of AOO via usb stick
> without any installation. MS does the marketing effort and you reuse it to
> spread your product, the life is nice! The portable version of AOO has a
> big advantage : for the first time , you are not the challenger, but the
> leader, you suggest a new approach for using an office suite, directly from
> the keyring, near the keys to your car, which is impossible to do with MS
> products. In addition you can create a fad effect if you use a special key
> , tube of lipstick for women, pocket knife, for men, etc. Why always want
> to install software on a computer? If PC manufacturers do not want to
> preinstall AOO, why not to suggest the manufacturers of babies's pacifiers
> to do it for them ;-)
> For the top class secretaries, you can find the following, for instance :
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=cl%C3%A9s+usb+rouge+%C3%A0+l%C3%A8vres&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=h1rSUsqtCMPmywPekoLABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=775
> In addition , this creates the show and can calm the paranoid who is afraid
> of being spied on by the Net.  I noticed that many MS users are more
> surprised by this kind of use than with the fact that AOO is gratis. And
> moreover, no need to configure something, you can provide an "all in one
> solution", with documentation, important extensions and templates
> preinstalled, more simple for new users who have some trouble with
> configurations.
> Only my opinion, of course.
>
> >
> > I am trying to think of ways that Open Office could be more mobile, and
> so
> > far:
> > 1. Voice to text could be utilized
> >
>
> +1, certainly an advantage
>
> 2. Cloud storage for easier access between devices including mobile to PC
> >
>
> Not necessary an advantage by this time. In some countries, people are
> actually recommended not to use the cloud solutions.
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Open Office

[Armin Le Grand]

hi Dave,

thanks for your comments! The situation you describe is exactly one of the 
reasons doing all this. Another is to get feedback like yours. I hope you will 
use it in the future, and Please let us know and get involvend when you find 
something going wrong or in the wrong direction or is not working.
...and I will in a little niche in my head use your comment as motivation when 
I do changes on the program in the future ;-)

--
ALG (iPad)

> Am 11.01.2014 um 14:51 schrieb Dave Dewick :
> 
> I would like to thank you for providing Open Office. Last July I was on 
> holiday abroad and intending to do some writing but found that Microsoft 
> Office Starter would no longer work no matter what I tried. I remembered from 
> years ago that there was something called Open Office so, sick of Microsoft 
> products, I looked it up and downloaded it using a nearby wireless internet 
> connection. Wow! I was back writing and, more importantly, still had access 
> to all my Word files. I hadn't lost a single thing but had gained software 
> that not only worked but was easier to use. I've since stuck with Open Office 
> and recommended it to others. Many thanks to all who provide this service.
> Dave 

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Re: Update the dead hyperlink in openoffice.org?

[Kay Schenk]

On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM, shzh zhao  wrote:
>
>> hi,
>> when I read the wiki of openoffice.org, found some of the links are dead
>> now.
>>
>> for example:
>> in
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/JavaEclipseTuto
>> the link of Now click on the *Add* Button on the upper right corner and
>> paste this *http://drake79.users.sourceforge.net/ooeclipse/site/
>> * .
>> this link is dead now.
>> such issue is a very bad experience for a beginner or a volunteer.
>> at a regular interval,Aoo should use a tool to scan the website,and update
>> the dead link to a valid one.
>>
>
Dev list --

After some searching, it seems we are still without a current working
eclipse plugin for development -- correct?

Can someone with eclipse verify that the instructions given on the wiki
page:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/JavaEclipseTuto

don't work?



>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> *mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com 
>> 
>>
>
> Thank you for contacting the development list about this. We will make
> every effort to correct this link.
>
> And, we do need to do a better job at correcting incorrect links on both
> our main website -- www.openoffice.org -- and the wiki if at all possible.
>
>
> --
>
> -
> MzK
>
> "Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time,
>  for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect."
>-- James Mason
>



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"Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time,
 for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect."
   -- James Mason

Concern

[Tomasz Małecki]

Dear Sirs,

I'm writing to you with regards to what concerns me the most while using
Open Office of your design.

I truely i deeply acknowledge the fact that your software is free to use
and stems from a great idea of making the world a better place, at least in
the field of text editing. However, there is something I need to take vote
against...

I hate using Microsoft Office due to its misconcepted ideas of what is best
for most people. Their software behaves as if it knew better what a user
wants, and averting its own actions is not only time-consuming but annoying
to the point of abuse.

Once I hoped to find a better text editor, and it happened - I liked the
Apache Open Office at first sight. With time the changes you introduced
happened to worry me more and more - you decided to follow the steps of the
aforementioned company, which makes your software incrementally
unergonomic/user unfriendly.


My message is 'let people decide what to key in, what to do, what to make a
text look like, and not think for them as if you knew better'. Allow them
to choose, not to fight your own ideas. Unchecking certain options is not
easy not only due to the jargon but also because one has to spend hours on
finding what has just happened to the text and how to disable it
permanently.

Sometimes more is less, and less is more.

With regards,
Tomasz Małecki.

Re: Concern

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:02:58 +0100
Tomasz Małecki  wrote:

> Dear Sirs,
> 
> I'm writing to you with regards to what concerns me the most while using
> Open Office of your design.
> 
> I truely i deeply acknowledge the fact that your software is free to use
> and stems from a great idea of making the world a better place, at least in
> the field of text editing. However, there is something I need to take vote
> against...
> 
> I hate using Microsoft Office due to its misconcepted ideas of what is best
> for most people. Their software behaves as if it knew better what a user
> wants, and averting its own actions is not only time-consuming but annoying
> to the point of abuse.
> 
> Once I hoped to find a better text editor, and it happened - I liked the
> Apache Open Office at first sight. With time the changes you introduced
> happened to worry me more and more - you decided to follow the steps of the
> aforementioned company, which makes your software incrementally
> unergonomic/user unfriendly.
> 
> 
> My message is 'let people decide what to key in, what to do, what to make a
> text look like, and not think for them as if you knew better'. Allow them
> to choose, not to fight your own ideas. Unchecking certain options is not
> easy not only due to the jargon but also because one has to spend hours on
> finding what has just happened to the text and how to disable it
> permanently.
> 
> Sometimes more is less, and less is more.
> 

If the automatic (but configurable) formatting features of OpenOffice are 
disabled, then there is no point in using it. If you find them obtrusive, then 
you may be using the wrong application for your needs.


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Concern

[Tomasz Małecki]

Sure, I shall change it for a better one.

Re: Dictionary en_GB - 2014-01-01 - Test version

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 11/01/2014 Stuart Swales wrote:

Pity we don't appear to have a history of the changes on the
'obfuscated' dictionary fork in Apache OOo to see what may have been
lost by going back to the Mozilla version.


There are issue links in the README files that Marco preserved. So the 
most important improvements could be taken from there for one of the 
next releases.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] maintenance of ooo-wiki2-vm.a.o and ooo-forums.a.o

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/01/2014 jan i wrote:

Unless someone objects, fast, I will proceed with the following steps:
- prepare a plan for changes in mwiki/forums
- ask infra to adjust the karma for vm-team members, according to the
agreed roles
- implement changes


For the record, outstanding changes are now listed at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-7173

Those interested in following progress can register for JIRA and "watch" 
that issue.


If anyone knows of any other change proposals that received consensus 
but are not listed there, please let us know and we'll integrate the 
(already quite long!) list.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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New committer: Rainer Bielefeld (rbd)

[Andrea Pescetti]

The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked
Rainer Bielefeld to become a committer and we are
pleased to announce that he has accepted and taken the ID "rbd".

A warm welcome to Rainer !

Regards,

Andrea, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC

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