Re: XCode 4.x, any progress?

[Herbert Dürr]

Hi Raphael,


Do you have any progress in make Apache OpenOffice run on XCode 4? Do
you have allready any code in this area?


This has some different aspects:
1. compiling with XCode4's clang
2. using a standard compliant STL
3. using SDKs directly supported by XCode4
4. replacing deprecated APIs with their modern counterparts
5. supporting newer architectures such as AMD64

For the clang compilation (1.) I already committed many changes for this 
that don't interfere with the other builds. Clang was quite good in 
finding real problems. Many regressions happened because the new 
environment resulted in problems in the bridges, in UNO, etc, that were 
mostly identified and solved. They need a to be cleaned up more. There 
are many more things to do such as extending the configure script and 
the platform specific solenv parts.


As clang doesn't like stlport4 and using a standard compliant STL is a 
good idea anyway, especially since we now have the chance to switch to 
it for the major version change, I'm working on this (2) too. For now 
I'd like to keep these changes minimally invasive to reduce the risk of 
regressions. I try to do this by emulating the stlport4 peculiarities 
with standard facilities using a shallow wrapper. E.g. stlport4's 
hash functor is identified and replaced, hash_map can 
mostly be emulated by an unordered_map and cases where this is not 
possible are identified and replaced. This approach allows us to "become 
native" by switching to the platform's/compiler's native STLs and later 
drop the shallow emulation layer without becoming incompatible then.


There is also the interesting topic that e.g. libc++ doesn't allow 
recursive declarations such as "struct S{mapm;};". As using 
libc++ with clang would be a good idea such declarations should be 
replaced. A short-circuit/fallback for now could be to use boost's tr1 
containers because they explicitly allow recursive declarations.


On the SDK question (3) I suggest to drop support for platforms that 
even Apple doesn't support anymore such as OSX<10.6. If Apple cannot 
afford to support it anymore with regular releases we shouldn't strain 
our infinitely smaller resources to achieve this.


On the API frontier (4) we need to support e.g. CoreText and drop ATSUI 
(except for debugging layout changes). There are also other topics that 
need to be looked into such as the native widget framework.


On Mac things already look quite good except for some crashes in 
CoreText's cascade code, Writer services, etc. that need to be solved. 
For Linux and Windows getting them to build and pass BVT using the TR1 
compliant STL needs more work. When the emulation is cleaned up enough 
I'll open a branch for the "platform refresh 2013" => pr2013

Volunteers are very welcome... first some loose ends have to be tied though.

Herbert


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Re: XCode 4.x, any progress?

[Chao Huang]

hi, Herbert
What an interesting thing you are doing !

I will have a try to build AOO with XCode 4.0 later in this week


2013/4/9 Herbert Dürr 

> Hi Raphael,
>
>
>  Do you have any progress in make Apache OpenOffice run on XCode 4? Do
>> you have allready any code in this area?
>>
>
> This has some different aspects:
> 1. compiling with XCode4's clang
> 2. using a standard compliant STL
> 3. using SDKs directly supported by XCode4
> 4. replacing deprecated APIs with their modern counterparts
> 5. supporting newer architectures such as AMD64
>
> For the clang compilation (1.) I already committed many changes for this
> that don't interfere with the other builds. Clang was quite good in finding
> real problems. Many regressions happened because the new environment
> resulted in problems in the bridges, in UNO, etc, that were mostly
> identified and solved. They need a to be cleaned up more. There are many
> more things to do such as extending the configure script and the platform
> specific solenv parts.
>
> As clang doesn't like stlport4 and using a standard compliant STL is a
> good idea anyway, especially since we now have the chance to switch to it
> for the major version change, I'm working on this (2) too. For now I'd like
> to keep these changes minimally invasive to reduce the risk of regressions.
> I try to do this by emulating the stlport4 peculiarities with standard
> facilities using a shallow wrapper. E.g. stlport4's hash
> functor is identified and replaced, hash_map can mostly be emulated by an
> unordered_map and cases where this is not possible are identified and
> replaced. This approach allows us to "become native" by switching to the
> platform's/compiler's native STLs and later drop the shallow emulation
> layer without becoming incompatible then.
>
> There is also the interesting topic that e.g. libc++ doesn't allow
> recursive declarations such as "struct S{mapm;};". As using libc++
> with clang would be a good idea such declarations should be replaced. A
> short-circuit/fallback for now could be to use boost's tr1 containers
> because they explicitly allow recursive declarations.
>
> On the SDK question (3) I suggest to drop support for platforms that even
> Apple doesn't support anymore such as OSX<10.6. If Apple cannot afford to
> support it anymore with regular releases we shouldn't strain our infinitely
> smaller resources to achieve this.
>
> On the API frontier (4) we need to support e.g. CoreText and drop ATSUI
> (except for debugging layout changes). There are also other topics that
> need to be looked into such as the native widget framework.
>
> On Mac things already look quite good except for some crashes in
> CoreText's cascade code, Writer services, etc. that need to be solved. For
> Linux and Windows getting them to build and pass BVT using the TR1
> compliant STL needs more work. When the emulation is cleaned up enough I'll
> open a branch for the "platform refresh 2013" => pr2013
> Volunteers are very welcome... first some loose ends have to be tied
> though.
>
> Herbert
>
>
>
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Re: GSOC mentoring organizations

[Andrea Pescetti]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

A partial list has been published on GSOC, we still don't  show up there
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013


The Apache Software Foundation (and thus OpenOffice) is now listed.

So Apache is accepted, it was just published with some delay.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [GSOC] CMIS UCP on top of Apache Chemistry [was: Fwd: Re:]

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:19:09AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >> Maybe you can give a little bit more background about you. What
> >> did you have made in this direction and what's your experience
> >> with Java.
> > 
> > Apache Chemistry has a Python implementation: 
> > http://chemistry.apache.org/python/cmislib.html
> > 
> > It would be nice to try with Python first, instead of introducing
> > yet another Java dependency (besides other reasons: AOO ships with
> > Python by default, but not with a JRE).
> 
> I would be fine with Python as well but it seems that we are not
> accepted as mentoring organization anyway.

As we are part of the ASF:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/apache


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [GSOC] CMIS UCP on top of Apache Chemistry [was: Fwd: Re:]

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 4/9/13 2:36 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:19:09AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 Maybe you can give a little bit more background about you.
 What did you have made in this direction and what's your
 experience with Java.
>>> 
>>> Apache Chemistry has a Python implementation: 
>>> http://chemistry.apache.org/python/cmislib.html
>>> 
>>> It would be nice to try with Python first, instead of
>>> introducing yet another Java dependency (besides other reasons:
>>> AOO ships with Python by default, but not with a JRE).
>> 
>> I would be fine with Python as well but it seems that we are not 
>> accepted as mentoring organization anyway.
> 
> As we are part of the ASF: 
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013
>
> 
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/apache

yes, there was simply some confusion earlier and some false noise
about it. Everything is fine now.

Juergen

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Re: Wiki of Sidebar testing status

[Yi Xuan Liu]

Andre, thanks for your reminder.
1. Can I add a link of the sidebar test status wiki under the "Known Bugs
and enhancements" section

2&3: I've update bug list of sidebar. It includes 3 defects, 2 enhancement
and 1 feature. And I've added some comments to some defect


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:

> On 08.04.2013 04:12, Yi Xuan Liu wrote:
>
>> Hi, all:
>>
>> I recorded sidebar testing status in wiki.
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/QA/Report/AOO4.**0FeatureReport
>>
>> I'll update this wiki page each week to track sidebar test.
>>
>>
> Hi, thanks that you are helping with the sidebar.
>
> Here are some comments and questions:
>
> 1. There is already a Wiki page for the sidebar: [1]
> There is even a section for the current QA status: [2]
>
> Maybe we can include your QA status into the existing one?
>
>
> 2. There is not much context or explanation about the tests that have been
> made.  Can you explain at least the six failures listed in section 3?
>
> 3. The choice of issues in section 4 (Sidebar Bugs Analysis) is unclear to
> me.
> a Half of the issues are already fixed
> b Some of the issues are very old and where written long before the
> sidebar implementation began.
> c At least one issue (14887) is entirely unrelated.  It describes a
> bug regarding the sidebar of our homepage.
> d Some issues listed in [2] are missing.
>
>
> If you could cleanup your wiki page and add some explanations then it
> could be very helpful for the sidebar development work.
>
> Thanks,
> Andre
>
>
> 1: 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
> 2: 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Known_Bugs_and_**Enhancements
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Re: Wiki of Sidebar testing status

[Andre Fischer]

On 09.04.2013 15:11, Yi Xuan Liu wrote:

Andre, thanks for your reminder.
1. Can I add a link of the sidebar test status wiki under the "Known Bugs
and enhancements" section


Of course.



2&3: I've update bug list of sidebar. It includes 3 defects, 2 enhancement
and 1 feature. And I've added some comments to some defect


- These issues are already listed in [2].

- Can you add the comment to issue 121981.  It is more important to have 
it as comment in the issue than to have it on the (one) wiki page.


- What about the bugs reported in section 3 (Test Execution)?  Do you 
have created issues for them in BugZilla?


Andre




On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 08.04.2013 04:12, Yi Xuan Liu wrote:


Hi, all:

I recorded sidebar testing status in wiki.
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/QA/Report/AOO4.**0FeatureReport

I'll update this wiki page each week to track sidebar test.



Hi, thanks that you are helping with the sidebar.

Here are some comments and questions:

1. There is already a Wiki page for the sidebar: [1]
 There is even a section for the current QA status: [2]

Maybe we can include your QA status into the existing one?


2. There is not much context or explanation about the tests that have been
made.  Can you explain at least the six failures listed in section 3?

3. The choice of issues in section 4 (Sidebar Bugs Analysis) is unclear to
me.
 a Half of the issues are already fixed
 b Some of the issues are very old and where written long before the
sidebar implementation began.
 c At least one issue (14887) is entirely unrelated.  It describes a
bug regarding the sidebar of our homepage.
 d Some issues listed in [2] are missing.


If you could cleanup your wiki page and add some explanations then it
could be very helpful for the sidebar development work.

Thanks,
Andre


1: 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar
2: 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Known_Bugs_and_**Enhancements

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Re: INTRODUCTION

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sabhya Kaushal
wrote:

> Hey Juergen,
>
> Joined. Finally.
>
> Both the projects that I chose were of my liking. And I have no difficulty
> in proceeding with the CMIS project,
> because as you said, the Eclipse plugin project has already been selected.
>

Isnt the same project that Cedric is doing on LibreOffice, I think his talk
at FOSDEM was about the same thing. Not sure how advanced is Cedric
project, but I wonder if this consist in just cloning the functionality to
an Apache License.


>
> I have almost two years worth of experience in Java Programming language,
> and being familiar with the basic
> structure of the language, I am pretty hopeful that I will be able to meet
> the needs of the project, and any amount
> of dedication that it may require.
>
> i have quite a bit of knowledge regarding package development, class
> formations, and deprecations. Also, i have
> been familiarizing myself with the UNO architecture and UBC/UCP, and I have
> been using the OpenOffice for
> quite sometime now.
>
> I work on the NetBeans platform, and would like to become even more
> familiar with it by browsing its functionality
> on a deeper scale, which is required for this project.
>
> p.s. I had read on an online blog that I may be provided with some
> debugging exercises, or is that an after-phase?
> Kindly let me know.
>
> regards,
> Sabhya Kaushal
>
> --
> sabhya007kaus...@gmail.com
>



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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: CONFIRMATION REGARDING A QUERY

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Sabhya Kaushal
wrote:

> dear Mr. Alexandro,
>
> I could not follow what you wanted to convey. Are the projects that I am
> referring to being already taken up by other people?
>

I am just asking to the list for more information about the goal of the
project. If it's going to be builted from scratch or is it going to be
transfered. I learn about CMIS during the Fosdem talk about adding
functionality to libreoffice, and now it seems this has been proposed in
AOO.
https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/libreoffice_cmis/


>
> It would be helpful if you please elaborate.
>
> Regards,
> Sabhya Kaushal
>
> --
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>



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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: INTRODUCTION

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Sabhya Kaushal
wrote:

> Hey Juergen,
>
> Joined. Finally.
>
> Both the projects that I chose were of my liking. And I have no difficulty
> in proceeding with the CMIS project,
> because as you said, the Eclipse plugin project has already been selected.
>
>

Nothing is already selected or decided.  Feel free to submit a proposal
related to any of the ideas we've posted, or even come up with your own
idea and write a proposal for that.

The timeline for this is here:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013

So for the next two weeks is the time for you to ask questions, float
ideas, etc.  The actual application process for students doesn't start
until April 22nd, and the deadline for student proposals is May 3rd.  So
plenty of time to explore your options.

Regards,

-Rob



> I have almost two years worth of experience in Java Programming language,
> and being familiar with the basic
> structure of the language, I am pretty hopeful that I will be able to meet
> the needs of the project, and any amount
> of dedication that it may require.
>
> i have quite a bit of knowledge regarding package development, class
> formations, and deprecations. Also, i have
> been familiarizing myself with the UNO architecture and UBC/UCP, and I have
> been using the OpenOffice for
> quite sometime now.
>
> I work on the NetBeans platform, and would like to become even more
> familiar with it by browsing its functionality
> on a deeper scale, which is required for this project.
>
> p.s. I had read on an online blog that I may be provided with some
> debugging exercises, or is that an after-phase?
> Kindly let me know.
>
> regards,
> Sabhya Kaushal
>
> --
> sabhya007kaus...@gmail.com
>

Re: INTRODUCTION

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Sabhya Kaushal  > wrote:
>
>> Hey Juergen,
>>
>> Joined. Finally.
>>
>> Both the projects that I chose were of my liking. And I have no difficulty
>> in proceeding with the CMIS project,
>> because as you said, the Eclipse plugin project has already been selected.
>>
>
> Isnt the same project that Cedric is doing on LibreOffice, I think his
> talk at FOSDEM was about the same thing. Not sure how advanced is Cedric
> project, but I wonder if this consist in just cloning the functionality to
> an Apache License.
>


Ah sorry, now I re-read the previous email I see that the CMIS is different
from the one I knew. here was a slight acronym collision.


>
>
>>
>> I have almost two years worth of experience in Java Programming language,
>> and being familiar with the basic
>> structure of the language, I am pretty hopeful that I will be able to meet
>> the needs of the project, and any amount
>> of dedication that it may require.
>>
>> i have quite a bit of knowledge regarding package development, class
>> formations, and deprecations. Also, i have
>> been familiarizing myself with the UNO architecture and UBC/UCP, and I
>> have
>> been using the OpenOffice for
>> quite sometime now.
>>
>> I work on the NetBeans platform, and would like to become even more
>> familiar with it by browsing its functionality
>> on a deeper scale, which is required for this project.
>>
>> p.s. I had read on an online blog that I may be provided with some
>> debugging exercises, or is that an after-phase?
>> Kindly let me know.
>>
>> regards,
>> Sabhya Kaushal
>>
>> --
>> sabhya007kaus...@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
>
>


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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Kay Schenk]

I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office

Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:

http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/

or ???

We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this topic
but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.

-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
>
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
>
> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
>
> or ???
>
> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this topic
> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
>
>

Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
will be obviously self-serving and biased.  A user might look at it, but
will they believe it?  What we really want is a good comparison published
by a 3rd party.  That's why reviews are good.

-Rob



> --
>
> 
> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>

Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

[Rob Weir]

We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo 3.3.0
users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their language
is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.

My proposed landing page is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html

Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
the languages that are more than 90% complete.

Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.

Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
highlighted languages.

Regards,

-Rob

Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

[janI]

On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>
> We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
3.3.0
> users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
language
> is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
>
> My proposed landing page is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
>
> Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
> the languages that are more than 90% complete.
>
> Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.

you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
no language is 100%.
rgds
jan i
>
> Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
> via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
> highlighted languages.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI  wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> >
> > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> 3.3.0
> > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> language
> > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> >
> > My proposed landing page is here:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> >
> > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
> > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> >
> > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
> full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
>
>
I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I don't
see anything for 4.0.


> you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
> no language is 100%.
>


Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
etc.

Regards,

-Rob



> rgds
> jan i
> >
> > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> clients
> > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of the
> > highlighted languages.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
>

Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

[janI]

On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> > >
> > > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> > 3.3.0
> > > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> > language
> > > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> > >
> > > My proposed landing page is here:
> > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > >
> > > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
focused on
> > > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> > >
> > > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> > I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
> > full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
> >
> >
> I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
> however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I
don't
> see anything for 4.0.
>
>
> > you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
so
> > no language is 100%.
> >
>
>
> Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
> languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
> reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
> in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
> etc.

hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
3.4.1 costed motivation.

rgds
jan i.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan i
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> > clients
> > > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of
the
> > > highlighted languages.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> >

Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM, janI  wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI  wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> > > 3.3.0
> > > > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> > > language
> > > > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> > > >
> > > > My proposed landing page is here:
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > > >
> > > > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
> focused on
> > > > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> > > I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to
> a
> > > full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
> > >
> > >
> > I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
> > however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I
> don't
> > see anything for 4.0.
> >
> >
> > > you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
> so
> > > no language is 100%.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
> > languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
> > reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful
> reaching
> > in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
> > etc.
>
> hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
> 3.4.1 costed motivation.
>
>
Regardless, this page is for languages not supported in AOO 3.4.1.  Thus
the opening paragraph mentioning that they are running an older version of
OpenOffice.org.We'll reach out to translators for Danish and other
languages already supported via other means.  It will be far easier to
motivate existing translators familiar with the process than to onboard
someone who has never done this kind of thing before. So it does not make
sense to recruit for Danish via a universal appeal, at least not initially.

-Rob



> rgds
> jan i.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > > rgds
> > > jan i
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> > > clients
> > > > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one of
> the
> > > > highlighted languages.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > -Rob
> > >
>

silgraphite dependency

[Fred Ollinger]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM, janI  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for
> OOo
> > > > 3.3.0
> > > > > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> > > > language
> > > > > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> > > > >
> > > > > My proposed landing page is here:
> > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
> > focused on
> > > > > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> > > > I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something
> to
> > a
> > > > full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
> > > however they want.  Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle.  I
> > don't
> > > see anything for 4.0.
> > >
> > >
> > > > you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for
> 4.0
> > so
> > > > no language is 100%.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
> > > languages where we already have translators.  My main focus here is to
> > > reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful
> > reaching
> > > in other ways.  We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog
> post,
> > > etc.
> >
> > hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay
> with
> > 3.4.1 costed motivation.
> >
> >
> Regardless, this page is for languages not supported in AOO 3.4.1.  Thus
> the opening paragraph mentioning that they are running an older version of
> OpenOffice.org.We'll reach out to translators for Danish and other
> languages already supported via other means.  It will be far easier to
> motivate existing translators familiar with the process than to onboard
> someone who has never done this kind of thing before. So it does not make
> sense to recruit for Danish via a universal appeal, at least not initially.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan i.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > rgds
> > > > jan i
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> > > > clients
> > > > > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users  who are using one
> of
> > the
> > > > > highlighted languages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > -Rob
> > > >
> >
>

silgraphite dependency?

[Fred Ollinger]

I'm building this now.

I think that perhaps this was dropped.

My goal is to first build aooo 3.3 rpm (last srpm) then to build 4.0 latest.

Anyone want this if it works?

Fred

Re: CONFIRMATION REGARDING A QUERY

[Juergen Schmidt]

Am Dienstag, 9. April 2013 um 17:19 schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Sabhya Kaushal
> wrote:
> 
> > dear Mr. Alexandro,
> > 
> > I could not follow what you wanted to convey. Are the projects that I am
> > referring to being already taken up by other people?
> > 
> 
> 
> I am just asking to the list for more information about the goal of the
> project. If it's going to be builted from scratch or is it going to be
> transfered. I learn about CMIS during the Fosdem talk about adding
> functionality to libreoffice, and now it seems this has been proposed in
> AOO.
> https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/libreoffice_cmis/
> 
> 

This has nothing to do with the LO project and it should be obvious that we 
can't use this code because of the license.

Cedric implemented all http requests from scratch using the curl lib. My idea 
is to use the chemistry lib which can be seen as reference implementation for 
CMIS. 

@Sabyha, please feel free to ask any question here on the list. 

Juergen
> 
> 
> > 
> > It would be helpful if you please elaborate.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sabhya Kaushal
> > 
> > --
> > sabhya007kaus...@gmail.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
> 
> 

Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2013 Mentor Registration

[Rob Weir]

Please note that GSoC mentors are required get acknowledgement from their
PMC's.  This is to ensure that mentors are actually active participants of
the projects they are mentoring with.  This doesn't require a vote or
discussion or anything.  It just requires an ACK from any one PMC member.

-Rob

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ulrich Stärk 
Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Subject: Google Summer of Code 2013 Mentor Registration
To: p...@apache.org
Cc: code-awa...@apache.org


Dear PMCs,

I'm happy to announce that the ASF has made it onto the list of 177
accepted organizations for
Google Summer of Code 2013! [1,2]

It is now time for the mentors to sign up, so please pass this email on to
your community and podlings.

Mentor signup requires two steps: mentor signup in Melange and PMC
acknowledgement.

If you want to mentor a project in this year's SoC you will have to

1. Be an Apache committer.
2. Register with Melange and set up a profile [3].
3. Add your username (formerly known as link_id) to [4]. This is NOT your
email address but your
Melange username. You can find it at the top of any page once you are
logged in.
4. Request an acknowledgement from the PMC for which you want to mentor
projects. Use the below
template and do not forget to copy code-awa...@apache.org.
5. Once a PMC member acknowledges the request to mentor, and only then, go
to [2] and click the
"Start a connection" button.

PMCs, read carefully please.

We request that each mentor is acknowledged by a PMC member. This is to
ensure the mentor is in good
standing with the community. When you receive a request for
acknowledgement, please ACK it and cc
code-awa...@apache.org

Cheers,

Uli

mentor request email template:

to: private@.apache.org
cc: code-awa...@apache.org
subject: GSoC 2013 mentor request for 

 PMC,

please acknowledge my request to become a mentor for Google Summer of Code
2013 projects for Apache
.

My Melange username is .





[1] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013
[2] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/apache
[3] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
[4] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/GsocLinkId.txt

Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >
> >
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> >
> > Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> >
> > or ???
> >
> > We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
> topic
> > but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
> >
> >
>
> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
> will be obviously self-serving and biased.  A user might look at it, but
> will they believe it?  What we really want is a good comparison published
> by a 3rd party.  That's why reviews are good.
>
> -Rob
>
>

> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the comparison
> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
> comparison is.
>

If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
chart.



>
> > --
> >
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
> >
>



-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: April Board Report

[Kay Schenk]

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> It's time to send our Board report covering January-February-March.
>
> You can find a draft at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**2013+Apr
> I've just modified it to adopt the usual style for Board reports (it was a
> collection of bullet points contributed by Kay, me and others).
>
> Please have a look; feel free to correct typos on the page directly, and
> if anything is missing feel free to add it.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
> --**--**-
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: 
> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org
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>
>
Looks good to me! :)

-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[David Gerard]

On 9 April 2013 17:25, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> or ???


Wikipedia has:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_software
(badly outdated)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites

- which don't go into nearly as fine detail about features, but are
hosted by an uninvolved third party.


- d.

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Re: a new joining request

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 08/04/2013 Vishu Jain wrote:

I am Vishu Jain in b.tech cse specialized in oss(2nd year) from U.P.E.S
Dehradhun India wants to join your community and committed to contribute to
your projects as it is of my course curriculum(2 year ended in 2015) and as
of myself i also wanted to be a part of oss contributor and development.


Welcome! There are several ways to get involved: you can find an 
orientation guide at

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/

But a nice opportunity for students would be to work with us on a Google 
Summer of Code project: you can find several ideas at

https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=labels+%3D+gsoc2013
(the OpenOffice ones are listed under "COMDEV") but feel free to propose 
your own ideas. The discussion period will end on 22nd April, then the 
application phase starts. See http://www.google-melange.com for more 
information.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Rob Weir]

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students

Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 04/09/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students


Nice short text. And always a well-fitting picture. :-)

Marcus

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Re: April Board Report

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 04/09/2013 02:06 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

It's time to send our Board report covering January-February-March.

You can find a draft at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2013+Apr
I've just modified it to adopt the usual style for Board reports (it was
a collection of bullet points contributed by Kay, me and others).

Please have a look; feel free to correct typos on the page directly, and
if anything is missing feel free to add it.


Thanks for taking care. The report reads good for me.

Marcus


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Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 04/09/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
>> welcome_to_gsoc_students
>>
>
> Nice short text. And always a well-fitting picture. :-)
>

Actually I would comment on the picture, having an all women picture could
be misconstrude. Something similar happened to me when we assign a hreoin
character as the face of a tech event saying it was somewhat sexist,
specially since most of our atendees are male. The character stayed but it
did remind me that picture to the issue we had.



>
> Marcus
>
> --**--**-
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> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org
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>
>


-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>
> > Am 04/09/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
> >> welcome_to_gsoc_students<
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students
> >
> >>
> >
> > Nice short text. And always a well-fitting picture. :-)
> >
>
> Actually I would comment on the picture, having an all women picture could
> be misconstrude. Something similar happened to me when we assign a hreoin
> character as the face of a tech event saying it was somewhat sexist,
> specially since most of our atendees are male. The character stayed but it
> did remind me that picture to the issue we had.
>
>
>
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > --**--**-
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>

I like the post, and I LOVE the picture, but  I understand Alexandro's
point as well. A gender mix might be better, but, well I wouldn't spend too
much time worrying over this. This one is really great as far as I'm
concerned.

-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 9 April 2013 17:25, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> > Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> > or ???
>
>
> Wikipedia has:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_software
> (badly outdated)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites
>
> - which don't go into nearly as fine detail about features, but are
> hosted by an uninvolved third party.
>
>
> - d.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
Thanks, David. A good start.


-- 

MzK

"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Dave Fisher]

On Apr 9, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 04/09/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> 
 https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
 welcome_to_gsoc_students<
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students
>>> 
 
>>> 
>>> Nice short text. And always a well-fitting picture. :-)
>>> 
>> 
>> Actually I would comment on the picture, having an all women picture could
>> be misconstrude. Something similar happened to me when we assign a hreoin
>> character as the face of a tech event saying it was somewhat sexist,
>> specially since most of our atendees are male. The character stayed but it
>> did remind me that picture to the issue we had.

It does need some proof reading.

s/Foundation is "mentoring/Foundation is a "mentoring/
s/.  So w/. W/
s/.  So t/.T/
s/Mentors/GoSC mentors/

Otherwise great.

Regards,
Dave

>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> --**--**-
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
>> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>> 
> 
> I like the post, and I LOVE the picture, but  I understand Alexandro's
> point as well. A gender mix might be better, but, well I wouldn't spend too
> much time worrying over this. This one is really great as far as I'm
> concerned.
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."


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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 13-04-09, at 17:20 , Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> 
>>> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
>>> 
>>> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
>>> 
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
>>> 
>>> or ???
>>> 
>>> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
>> topic
>>> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
>> will be obviously self-serving and biased.  A user might look at it, but
>> will they believe it?  What we really want is a good comparison published
>> by a 3rd party.  That's why reviews are good.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>> 
> 
>> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the comparison
>> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
>> comparison is.
>> 
> 
> If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
> chart.

What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good reason 
for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed argument 
(so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is perceived as such, 
then it is still in our interest to make public why we believe what we believe 
and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out, taking the high road doesn't mean 
that others won't take the low.

louis
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Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Apr 9, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Marcus (OOo) 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Am 04/09/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >>>
>  https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
>  welcome_to_gsoc_students<
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> >>> Nice short text. And always a well-fitting picture. :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Actually I would comment on the picture, having an all women picture
> could
> >> be misconstrude. Something similar happened to me when we assign a
> hreoin
> >> character as the face of a tech event saying it was somewhat sexist,
> >> specially since most of our atendees are male. The character stayed but
> it
> >> did remind me that picture to the issue we had.
>
> It does need some proof reading.
>
> s/Foundation is "mentoring/Foundation is a "mentoring/
> s/.  So w/. W/
> s/.  So t/.T/
> s/Mentors/GoSC mentors/
>
>
Done.  Thanks.

-Rob


> Otherwise great.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Marcus
> >>>
> >>>
> --**--**-
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alexandro Colorado
> >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
> > I like the post, and I LOVE the picture, but  I understand Alexandro's
> > point as well. A gender mix might be better, but, well I wouldn't spend
> too
> > much time worrying over this. This one is really great as far as I'm
> > concerned.
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

>
> On 13-04-09, at 17:20 , Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> >>>
> >>> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found
> in:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> >>>
> >>> or ???
> >>>
> >>> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
> >> topic
> >>> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
> >> will be obviously self-serving and biased.  A user might look at it, but
> >> will they believe it?  What we really want is a good comparison
> published
> >> by a 3rd party.  That's why reviews are good.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the
> comparison
> >> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
> >> comparison is.
> >>
> >
> > If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
> > chart.
>
> What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good
> reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed
> argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is
> perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why we
> believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out,
> taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
>
>
I'm not making a moral judgement.  I'm a blogger after all, so self-serving
and biased is something I'm intimately familiar with ;-)  I'm just saying
that users who care enough to want a comparison chart would probably be
savvy enough to know that one that we provided, no matter how well
intentioned, is not to be trusted.

Look at the LibreOffice one for an example of the kinds of games that can
be played.  They list the minutia of features that no users actually care
about, when that is a checkmark in their column, while ignoring the huge
features that MS Office has that they lack.   That kind of comparison
doesn't really serve the user well, and I think we, as a non-profit, should
avoid that kind of spin.  Of course, if you have in mind a different kind
of comparison, one more grounded in reality, then I'm all ears.

Regards,

-Rob



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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 13-04-09, at 19:57 , Rob Weir  wrote:

>> ]
>> What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good
>> reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed
>> argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is
>> perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why we
>> believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out,
>> taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
>> 
>> 
> I'm not making a moral judgement.  I'm a blogger after all, so self-serving
> and biased is something I'm intimately familiar with ;-)  I'm just saying
> that users who care enough to want a comparison chart would probably be
> savvy enough to know that one that we provided, no matter how well
> intentioned, is not to be trusted.
> 
> Look at the LibreOffice one for an example of the kinds of games that can
> be played.  They list the minutia of features that no users actually care
> about, when that is a checkmark in their column, while ignoring the huge
> features that MS Office has that they lack.   That kind of comparison
> doesn't really serve the user well, and I think we, as a non-profit, should
> avoid that kind of spin.  Of course, if you have in mind a different kind
> of comparison, one more grounded in reality, then I'm all ears.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob

… thinking further on this, I suppose one thing I'd rather (or like to) have is 
not a feature (or bug) comparison but rather a chart that can show how and 
where community can intervene on their own behalf. 

My reading of AOO is that seldom do enterprise users (ore even individuals) 
look to such comparisons in shopping around. A user, like an accountant or 
artist or novelist or student, or etc., might look to see if the suite has a 
particular feature and buy it for that reason (or download it for free). But 
probably the majority don't do that. Enterprise purchases are made using 
different criteria. 

But what is really a differentiator, I'd like to believe, is the fact that 
because AOO is open source and has a welcoming community plus an active 
developer base, users can shape the suite to suit their ends.

louis
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Re: Draft blog post: Welcome GSoC Students!

[Juergen Schmidt]

Am Dienstag, 9. April 2013 um 23:46 schrieb Rob Weir:
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=welcome_to_gsoc_students
> 
> 

perfect, I like it and picture is ok to me as well 

Juergen

Re: silgraphite dependency?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Fred Ollinger wrote:

I'm building this now.
I think that perhaps this was dropped.
My goal is to first build aooo 3.3 rpm (last srpm) then to build 4.0 latest.
Anyone want this if it works?


Sure, and even if it doesn't work! Thank you for your efforts and we can 
surely work on this together.


By the way, I posted a couple of patches last week for
https://github.com/fredollinger/aooo-fedora-rawhide ,
please let us know if you prefer to get feedback via pull requests or 
any other means.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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