[lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open source is to see it improved and optimized. Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific rather than spamming the entire mailing list? Thanks very much! -g
Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
Hello Guy, I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on your dependencies. You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all offer similar features. If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then commons-collections sounds a fit. Gruss Bernd -- http://bernd.eckenfels.net Von: Boo, Guy Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM An: dev@commons.apache.org Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open source is to see it improved and optimized. Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific rather than spamming the entire mailing list? Thanks very much! -g
Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
Also -scxml Gary On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > Hello Guy, > > I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on your > dependencies. > > You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all offer > similar features. > > If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but > then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then > commons-collections sounds a fit. > > Gruss > Bernd > > > -- > http://bernd.eckenfels.net > > Von: Boo, Guy > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM > An: dev@commons.apache.org > Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on the > project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I don't even > know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would make the most > sense. If this is not the appropriate location please just let me know (or > ignore this email), thanks! > > I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, traversal, > identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The primary benefit > is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to define and execute > custom graph operations as succinctly as one can define a for-each loop, > even on data structures that do not participate in the package's API. My > goal in releasing this to open source is to see it improved and optimized. > > Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do I > provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific rather > than spamming the entire mailing list? > > Thanks very much! > -g >
RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
My project has no dependencies, and its definition of "graph" is basically java.util.function.Function>. So the graph doesn't even need to be reified in memory. And it's pretty lightweight - I'd like to do some refactoring, but it currently only has about 20 classes. It's a *very* small set of tools... Thanks for your recommendations! I saw -ognl, but wasn't sure that was a good fit as my code would be a tiny subroutine of that project. For example, we have a case where we need to traverse the object graph, but rather than write a separate utility we only define one function to map an object to its fields and all of the existing graph utilities (including graph edits, if a setter function is provided) would be compatible with it. I'll look around at your recommendations and see if any of the others may be a better fit, but I suspect my code would be too tiny and off-focus for projects with specific domains like -xpath or -ognl. Maybe collections, but so far I think my best guess is still lang... Thanks very much for your help! -Original Message- From: Gary Gregory Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 23:04 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? Also -scxml Gary On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > Hello Guy, > > I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on > your dependencies. > > You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all > offer similar features. > > If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but > then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then > commons-collections sounds a fit. > > Gruss > Bernd > > > -- > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPruflFCE > p!kFRtDx8NdHTdneiVsDnlLvzFeaAjmGzuJ37-qM74sdQGP5If91jryUrPY4WmKfaFsvxV > NoUeliw5alVOCYJQwQ$ > > Von: Boo, Guy > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM > An: dev@commons.apache.org > Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on > the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I > don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would > make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please > just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! > > I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, > traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The > primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to > define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can > define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not > participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open source is > to see it improved and optimized. > > Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do > I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific > rather than spamming the entire mailing list? > > Thanks very much! > -g >
Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
I think 20 classes is not small, so probably not good for -lang. But since you already have a List in your API I guess -collections would be ok. (It’s not so good to have your alternative method in ognl). But maybe you can share a sandbox project, it’s easier to know what we are talking about. I am not sure if we want to have it in for example commons-collections but a Seperate JAR. Would probably only make sense in a sub project which already releases multiple libs. Gruss Bernd -- http://bernd.eckenfels.net Von: Boo, Guy Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 5:39:07 PM An: Commons Developers List Betreff: RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? My project has no dependencies, and its definition of "graph" is basically java.util.function.Function>. So the graph doesn't even need to be reified in memory. And it's pretty lightweight - I'd like to do some refactoring, but it currently only has about 20 classes. It's a *very* small set of tools... Thanks for your recommendations! I saw -ognl, but wasn't sure that was a good fit as my code would be a tiny subroutine of that project. For example, we have a case where we need to traverse the object graph, but rather than write a separate utility we only define one function to map an object to its fields and all of the existing graph utilities (including graph edits, if a setter function is provided) would be compatible with it. I'll look around at your recommendations and see if any of the others may be a better fit, but I suspect my code would be too tiny and off-focus for projects with specific domains like -xpath or -ognl. Maybe collections, but so far I think my best guess is still lang... Thanks very much for your help! -Original Message- From: Gary Gregory Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 23:04 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? Also -scxml Gary On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > Hello Guy, > > I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on > your dependencies. > > You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all > offer similar features. > > If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but > then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then > commons-collections sounds a fit. > > Gruss > Bernd > > > -- > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPruflFCE > p!kFRtDx8NdHTdneiVsDnlLvzFeaAjmGzuJ37-qM74sdQGP5If91jryUrPY4WmKfaFsvxV > NoUeliw5alVOCYJQwQ$ > > Von: Boo, Guy > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM > An: dev@commons.apache.org > Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on > the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I > don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would > make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please > just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! > > I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, > traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The > primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to > define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can > define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not > participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open source is > to see it improved and optimized. > > Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do > I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific > rather than spamming the entire mailing list? > > Thanks very much! > -g >
Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
It hasn’t had activity in over 10 years, but there’s also https://commons.apache.org/sandbox/commons-graph/ as a potential component to revive. — Matt Sicker > On Apr 27, 2022, at 10:43, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > I think 20 classes is not small, so probably not good for -lang. But since > you already have a List in your API I guess -collections would be ok. (It’s > not so good to have your alternative method in ognl). > > But maybe you can share a sandbox project, it’s easier to know what we are > talking about. > > I am not sure if we want to have it in for example commons-collections but a > Seperate JAR. Would probably only make sense in a sub project which already > releases multiple libs. > > Gruss > Bernd > -- > http://bernd.eckenfels.net > > Von: Boo, Guy > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 5:39:07 PM > An: Commons Developers List > Betreff: RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > My project has no dependencies, and its definition of "graph" is basically > java.util.function.Function>. So the graph doesn't even need to be > reified in memory. And it's pretty lightweight - I'd like to do some > refactoring, but it currently only has about 20 classes. It's a *very* small > set of tools... > > Thanks for your recommendations! I saw -ognl, but wasn't sure that was a good > fit as my code would be a tiny subroutine of that project. For example, we > have a case where we need to traverse the object graph, but rather than write > a separate utility we only define one function to map an object to its fields > and all of the existing graph utilities (including graph edits, if a setter > function is provided) would be compatible with it. > > I'll look around at your recommendations and see if any of the others may be > a better fit, but I suspect my code would be too tiny and off-focus for > projects with specific domains like -xpath or -ognl. Maybe collections, but > so far I think my best guess is still lang... > > Thanks very much for your help! > > > -Original Message- > From: Gary Gregory > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 23:04 > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > Also -scxml > > Gary > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >> >> Hello Guy, >> >> I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on >> your dependencies. >> >> You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all >> offer similar features. >> >> If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but >> then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then >> commons-collections sounds a fit. >> >> Gruss >> Bernd >> >> >> -- >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPruflFCE >> p!kFRtDx8NdHTdneiVsDnlLvzFeaAjmGzuJ37-qM74sdQGP5If91jryUrPY4WmKfaFsvxV >> NoUeliw5alVOCYJQwQ$ >> >> Von: Boo, Guy >> Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM >> An: dev@commons.apache.org >> Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? >> >> I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on >> the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I >> don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would >> make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please >> just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! >> >> I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, >> traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The >> primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to >> define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can >> define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not >> participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open source >> is to see it improved and optimized. >> >> Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do >> I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific >> rather than spamming the entire mailing list? >> >> Thanks very much! >> -g >>
Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
Came here to suggest Commons Graph too. The GH repo had some recent-ish activity, Amey created some issues in JIRA too and submitted PR's. I haven't had time yet to look into that again, but I have a couple cases with graphs that I've been saving to have fun in either Graph or RDF/Jena. https://github.com/apache/commons-graph/ Bruno On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 at 06:09, Matt Sicker wrote: > It hasn’t had activity in over 10 years, but there’s also > https://commons.apache.org/sandbox/commons-graph/ as a potential > component to revive. > > — > Matt Sicker > > > On Apr 27, 2022, at 10:43, Bernd Eckenfels > wrote: > > > > I think 20 classes is not small, so probably not good for -lang. But > since you already have a List in your API I guess -collections would be ok. > (It’s not so good to have your alternative method in ognl). > > > > But maybe you can share a sandbox project, it’s easier to know what we > are talking about. > > > > I am not sure if we want to have it in for example commons-collections > but a Seperate JAR. Would probably only make sense in a sub project which > already releases multiple libs. > > > > Gruss > > Bernd > > -- > > http://bernd.eckenfels.net > > > > Von: Boo, Guy > > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 5:39:07 PM > > An: Commons Developers List > > Betreff: RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > > > My project has no dependencies, and its definition of "graph" is > basically java.util.function.Function>. So the graph doesn't > even need to be reified in memory. And it's pretty lightweight - I'd like > to do some refactoring, but it currently only has about 20 classes. It's a > *very* small set of tools... > > > > Thanks for your recommendations! I saw -ognl, but wasn't sure that was a > good fit as my code would be a tiny subroutine of that project. For > example, we have a case where we need to traverse the object graph, but > rather than write a separate utility we only define one function to map an > object to its fields and all of the existing graph utilities (including > graph edits, if a setter function is provided) would be compatible with it. > > > > I'll look around at your recommendations and see if any of the others > may be a better fit, but I suspect my code would be too tiny and off-focus > for projects with specific domains like -xpath or -ognl. Maybe collections, > but so far I think my best guess is still lang... > > > > Thanks very much for your help! > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gary Gregory > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 23:04 > > To: Commons Developers List > > Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > > > Also -scxml > > > > Gary > > > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels > wrote: > >> > >> Hello Guy, > >> > >> I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on > >> your dependencies. > >> > >> You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all > >> offer similar features. > >> > >> If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option (but > >> then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with collections, then > >> commons-collections sounds a fit. > >> > >> Gruss > >> Bernd > >> > >> > >> -- > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPruflFCE > >> p!kFRtDx8NdHTdneiVsDnlLvzFeaAjmGzuJ37-qM74sdQGP5If91jryUrPY4WmKfaFsvxV > >> NoUeliw5alVOCYJQwQ$ > >> > >> Von: Boo, Guy > >> Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM > >> An: dev@commons.apache.org > >> Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > >> > >> I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything on > >> the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, and I > >> don't even know if lang, math, collections, or a new component would > >> make the most sense. If this is not the appropriate location please > >> just let me know (or ignore this email), thanks! > >> > >> I'd like to contribute a set of utilities for the definition, > >> traversal, identification, and manipulation of arbitrary graphs. The > >> primary benefit is developer convenience, as it makes it possible to > >> define and execute custom graph operations as succinctly as one can > >> define a for-each loop, even on data structures that do not > >> participate in the package's API. My goal in releasing this to open > source is to see it improved and optimized. > >> > >> Is Apache commons the appropriate package for this kind of utility? Do > >> I provide the source code first? Should I speak to someone specific > >> rather than spamming the entire mailing list? > >> > >> Thanks very much! > >> -g > >> >
RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component?
Oh geez, I didn't see that there were sandbox and dormant projects. The graph project might be perfect. I'll have to look through it to see if the project already has the things I was going to offer. There are some significant differences I can see already, but I'll look through it and get back to you. Maybe the best way forward would be to follow Bernd's suggestion and just show the APIs and ideas and what they can do, and see if any of them are worth incorporating piecemeal. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Bruno Kinoshita Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 06:16 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? Came here to suggest Commons Graph too. The GH repo had some recent-ish activity, Amey created some issues in JIRA too and submitted PR's. I haven't had time yet to look into that again, but I have a couple cases with graphs that I've been saving to have fun in either Graph or RDF/Jena. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/commons-graph/__;!!KpaPruflFCEp!lc9qKWOIFrykKDkbIbvfvKGB71uZCaT7TM4kvBmDW3IGRXj4-OtmWA_KNH_5d_UgOY3a8iPQvOlHvIjVb0GestQ$ Bruno On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 at 06:09, Matt Sicker wrote: > It hasn’t had activity in over 10 years, but there’s also > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://commons.apache.org/sandbox/commons > -graph/__;!!KpaPruflFCEp!lc9qKWOIFrykKDkbIbvfvKGB71uZCaT7TM4kvBmDW3IGRXj4-OtmWA_KNH_5d_UgOY3a8iPQvOlHvIjVeM0ajfU$ > as a potential component to revive. > > — > Matt Sicker > > > On Apr 27, 2022, at 10:43, Bernd Eckenfels > wrote: > > > > I think 20 classes is not small, so probably not good for -lang. > > But > since you already have a List in your API I guess -collections would be ok. > (It’s not so good to have your alternative method in ognl). > > > > But maybe you can share a sandbox project, it’s easier to know what > > we > are talking about. > > > > I am not sure if we want to have it in for example > > commons-collections > but a Seperate JAR. Would probably only make sense in a sub project > which already releases multiple libs. > > > > Gruss > > Bernd > > -- > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPruflF > > CEp!lc9qKWOIFrykKDkbIbvfvKGB71uZCaT7TM4kvBmDW3IGRXj4-OtmWA_KNH_5d_Ug > > OY3a8iPQvOlHvIjVyMljdQE$ > > > > Von: Boo, Guy > > Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 5:39:07 PM > > An: Commons Developers List > > Betreff: RE: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > > > My project has no dependencies, and its definition of "graph" is > basically java.util.function.Function>. So the graph > doesn't even need to be reified in memory. And it's pretty lightweight > - I'd like to do some refactoring, but it currently only has about 20 > classes. It's a > *very* small set of tools... > > > > Thanks for your recommendations! I saw -ognl, but wasn't sure that > > was a > good fit as my code would be a tiny subroutine of that project. For > example, we have a case where we need to traverse the object graph, > but rather than write a separate utility we only define one function > to map an object to its fields and all of the existing graph utilities > (including graph edits, if a setter function is provided) would be compatible > with it. > > > > I'll look around at your recommendations and see if any of the > > others > may be a better fit, but I suspect my code would be too tiny and > off-focus for projects with specific domains like -xpath or -ognl. > Maybe collections, but so far I think my best guess is still lang... > > > > Thanks very much for your help! > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gary Gregory > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 23:04 > > To: Commons Developers List > > Subject: Re: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > > > > Also -scxml > > > > Gary > > > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 11:02 Bernd Eckenfels > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hello Guy, > >> > >> I think Apache Commons might be a good fit, but it depends a bit on > >> your dependencies. > >> > >> You could also check -ognl, -xpath or -rdf components, they are all > >> offer similar features. > >> > >> If you want to traverse POJO then commons-lang might be an option > >> (but then it needs to be leightweigt). If you work with > >> collections, then commons-collections sounds a fit. > >> > >> Gruss > >> Bernd > >> > >> > >> -- > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bernd.eckenfels.net__;!!KpaPrufl > >> FCE > >> p!kFRtDx8NdHTdneiVsDnlLvzFeaAjmGzuJ37-qM74sdQGP5If91jryUrPY4WmKfaFs > >> vxV > >> NoUeliw5alVOCYJQwQ$ > >> > >> Von: Boo, Guy > >> Gesendet: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 4:53:34 PM > >> An: dev@commons.apache.org > >> Betreff: [lang] how to submit a proposal for a new component? > >> > >> I am extremely sorry if this is spam, but I couldn't find anything > >> on the project page that indicated how to propose new extensions, > >> and I don't even kn
